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I would say the average IQ is around 40. I went about a year ago just to see what it was all about, and I am not saying everyone is, but you can just tell that the majority of the people are very weak minded. Young people, single moms, non college educated, etc. There are certainly some smart people there, but you aren't going to find many doctors, business owners, CPAs, lawyers, etc there.Originally posted by SDTiger9:
2. What is the general IQ makeup of New Springers? Like Jerry Springer, he makes his living off of blue collar trash. At least he's quite clear about it. Is this guy promoting that he's saving people but coaxes them into the church with giveaways? Sycuan Casino advertises this....... But it's a Casino. They don't hide it. What's the Perry Noble sales pitch? Come get saved and drive away in style?
is there a 5 star rating system for converts, like here at Rivals ?Originally posted by steele-tiger:
I would say it gets people to accept Jesus at Newspring because they got a chance to win a Jeep.Originally posted by tigerpaw95:
How exactly does giving away a brand new Jeep during Sunday morning services further the cause of Christ?
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Got to get those number up. Doesn't really matter if they really accept Jesus it goes on the board counting converts which seems to be primarly what people talk about with Newspring.
30 seconds into the google search and im certain i want to gut punch him. weaselly bastard. and just look at him. how could you notOriginally posted by Ron Munson:
Originally posted by nikao1002:
You don't have to like him. You don't have to like Newsping. But they have done more to advance the cause of Christ in this state in the last 10 years than anyone.
Thank goodness I'm not the judge, but if I were standing before God, I think I would rather be Perry than you.
Let it go for your own good. It's never been funny and with every post it's getting worse.
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wow, what a scary post
I'm still just trying to figure out what this means. Sounds hilarious, either way.Originally posted by TAINT_PAINT:
HE'S ON A HOBO CULT CARAVAN SLICING ORGANIC ZUCCHINI UNATTENDED INSTEAD OF GOING TO VACATION BIBLE SCHOOL.
wont make sense until you read THE appalachiatiger threadOriginally posted by camcgee:
I'm still just trying to figure out what this means. Sounds hilarious, either way.Originally posted by TAINT_PAINT:
HE'S ON A HOBO CULT CARAVAN SLICING ORGANIC ZUCCHINI UNATTENDED INSTEAD OF GOING TO VACATION BIBLE SCHOOL.
1- They don't give away Jeeps every Sunday. They have given away things like that before, but I think it was because somebody at the dealership donated it to them.Originally posted by SDTiger9:
1. If they are giving a car away every week(which ranks in the top 10 of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard), please confirm all those who have received those Jeeps and/or support the giveaway support the SC Lottery and most forms of gambling. That's essentially what that is. That's an abomination and a disgraceful way to get people involved. It used to be about Jesus and the church community, now it's 4 wheel drive?
2. What is the general IQ makeup of New Springers? Like Jerry Springer, he makes his living off of blue collar trash. At least he's quite clear about it. Is this guy promoting that he's saving people but coaxes them into the church with giveaways? Sycuan Casino advertises this....... But it's a Casino. They don't hide it. What's the Perry Noble sales pitch? Come get saved and drive away in style?
3. This church has been the center of discussion for years. Why the continued controversy if it's doing such a good job "saving people".
Sounds like Joel Olsteen is offended.
Originally posted by nikao1002:
You don't have to like him. You don't have to like Newsping. But they have done more to advance the cause of Christ in this state in the last 10 years than anyone.
Thank goodness I'm not the judge, but if I were standing before God, I think I would rather be Perry than you.
Let it go for your own good. It's never been funny and with every post it's getting worse.
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LinkOriginally posted by firegiver:
Originally posted by FreeSC:
Agreed.
Newspring isn't my church, but they bring people to Jesus Christ by the thousands.
More DOLLARS TITHED there (and for eternity, in this case!) than every doctor in the state of South Carolina.
Let it go.
They even have all the verses related to tithing on their website, but they conveniently left off the one in the new testament that makes tithing irrelevant and just says give what you feel called to give. Tithing is an old Testament principal and not part of the New Covenant....but I don't expect your typical New Spring "Owner" to understand a concept this challenging.Originally posted by rollcall2daball:
LinkOriginally posted by firegiver:
Originally posted by FreeSC:
Agreed.
Newspring isn't my church, but they bring people to Jesus Christ by the thousands.
More DOLLARS TITHED there (and for eternity, in this case!) than every doctor in the state of South Carolina.
Let it go.
I will give Noble some credit. He is an engaging, authoritative, and talented speaker. That being said, this is the sermon where Perry says if you don't tithe God will take it. Your car will break down, your children will be sickly, and you won't be able to keep a job if you don't tithe. Oh and he references the Passover implying that if you don't tithe God could kill your first born son. This is the person that people defend? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but do people really believe this?
Most theologians would not agree with this, which is why nearly every orthodox Christian church still preaches tithing as a duty.Originally posted by Ron Munson:
They even have all the verses related to tithing on their website, but they conveniently left off the one in the new testament that makes tithing irrelevant and just says give what you feel called to give. Tithing is an old Testament principal and not part of the New Covenant....but I don't expect your typical New Spring "Owner" to understand a concept this challenging.Originally posted by rollcall2daball:
LinkOriginally posted by firegiver:
Originally posted by FreeSC:
Agreed.
Newspring isn't my church, but they bring people to Jesus Christ by the thousands.
More DOLLARS TITHED there (and for eternity, in this case!) than every doctor in the state of South Carolina.
Let it go.
I will give Noble some credit. He is an engaging, authoritative, and talented speaker. That being said, this is the sermon where Perry says if you don't tithe God will take it. Your car will break down, your children will be sickly, and you won't be able to keep a job if you don't tithe. Oh and he references the Passover implying that if you don't tithe God could kill your first born son. This is the person that people defend? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but do people really believe this?
Churches preach it because they need the money. They talk about how so many things in the Old Testament don't apply anymore, but they say differently for tithing. If you actually read every verse in the Bible related to tithing, you will see that it is an Old Testament philosophy...but again, churches leave that out because they need your money and it is easier to give people a bar to set, as oppose to just asking for an offering.Originally posted by camcgee:
Most theologians would not agree with this, which is why nearly every orthodox Christian church still preaches tithing as a duty.Originally posted by Ron Munson:
They even have all the verses related to tithing on their website, but they conveniently left off the one in the new testament that makes tithing irrelevant and just says give what you feel called to give. Tithing is an old Testament principal and not part of the New Covenant....but I don't expect your typical New Spring "Owner" to understand a concept this challenging.Originally posted by rollcall2daball:
LinkOriginally posted by firegiver:
Originally posted by FreeSC:
Agreed.
Newspring isn't my church, but they bring people to Jesus Christ by the thousands.
More DOLLARS TITHED there (and for eternity, in this case!) than every doctor in the state of South Carolina.
Let it go.
I will give Noble some credit. He is an engaging, authoritative, and talented speaker. That being said, this is the sermon where Perry says if you don't tithe God will take it. Your car will break down, your children will be sickly, and you won't be able to keep a job if you don't tithe. Oh and he references the Passover implying that if you don't tithe God could kill your first born son. This is the person that people defend? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but do people really believe this?
Here's what Tim Keller has to say about tithing:
""A perennial question is, though believers in the Old Testament were required to tithe their income, are New Testament Christians so required? The principle we have been using ? that the coming of Christ changes Old Testament laws, yet they still have some abiding validity ? holds true for tithing. In Luke 11:42, Jesus chastises the Pharisees for 'tithing your garden herbs but neglecting justice and the love of God.' That is, they were diligent to tithe their income, but they were exploitative in their business dealings and unjust in their relationships. Then Jesus adds, 'You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.' In other words, Jesus affirms tithing, but says that by itself it is not enough. Put another way, for a Christian, tithing is a minimum standard for generosity and doing justice. Christian believers are not less indebted to and blessed by God than Old Testament believers were. Therefore we should not imagine that God's standards for generosity would be lower for New Testament Christians than for Old Testament believers. 'To whom much is given, much shall be required' (Luke 12:48).""
Let's not turn this thread into a religious pi$$ing contest. THERE IS A YOUNG BOY OUT THERE, YEARNING FOR A CHANCE ENCOUNTER FROM HIS HIPPIE (YET BUSINESS INSURANCE SAVVY) FATHER! WHO KNOWS HOW MANY FATHERLESS CHILDREN THIS BAND OF ROAMING HOBOS ARE ENSLAVING IN THEIR DANGEROUS VEGETABLE SLICING OPERATION?!Originally posted by camcgee:
Most theologians would not agree with this, which is why nearly every orthodox Christian church still preaches tithing as a duty.Originally posted by Ron Munson:
They even have all the verses related to tithing on their website, but they conveniently left off the one in the new testament that makes tithing irrelevant and just says give what you feel called to give. Tithing is an old Testament principal and not part of the New Covenant....but I don't expect your typical New Spring "Owner" to understand a concept this challenging.Originally posted by rollcall2daball:
LinkOriginally posted by firegiver:
Originally posted by FreeSC:
Agreed.
Newspring isn't my church, but they bring people to Jesus Christ by the thousands.
More DOLLARS TITHED there (and for eternity, in this case!) than every doctor in the state of South Carolina.
Let it go.
I will give Noble some credit. He is an engaging, authoritative, and talented speaker. That being said, this is the sermon where Perry says if you don't tithe God will take it. Your car will break down, your children will be sickly, and you won't be able to keep a job if you don't tithe. Oh and he references the Passover implying that if you don't tithe God could kill your first born son. This is the person that people defend? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but do people really believe this?
Here's what Tim Keller has to say about tithing:
""A perennial question is, though believers in the Old Testament were required to tithe their income, are New Testament Christians so required? The principle we have been using ? that the coming of Christ changes Old Testament laws, yet they still have some abiding validity ? holds true for tithing. In Luke 11:42, Jesus chastises the Pharisees for 'tithing your garden herbs but neglecting justice and the love of God.' That is, they were diligent to tithe their income, but they were exploitative in their business dealings and unjust in their relationships. Then Jesus adds, 'You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.' In other words, Jesus affirms tithing, but says that by itself it is not enough. Put another way, for a Christian, tithing is a minimum standard for generosity and doing justice. Christian believers are not less indebted to and blessed by God than Old Testament believers were. Therefore we should not imagine that God's standards for generosity would be lower for New Testament Christians than for Old Testament believers. 'To whom much is given, much shall be required' (Luke 12:48).""
Take a jacket to the face...Originally posted by longcreektiger:
What do I have to do to win a free jeep?