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“Ethically Unjustifiable” – Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Covid-19 Vaccines 98 Times Worse Than the Virus

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This is now entering the realm of a decided fact.


By Jim Hoft
Published September 12, 2022 at 5:10pm

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A new pre-print study by nine health experts from major universities showed that the COVID-19 vaccines are 98 times worse than the virus, and mandatory booster vaccination in college is “ethically unjustifiable,” as reported by Epoch Times.
The study was posted on The Social Science Research Network (SSRN) in September, titled, “COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities.
It was conducted by nine top scientists from the University of Washington, University of Oxford, University of Toronto, Harvard University – Harvard Medical School, University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), Johns Hopkins University – Department of Surgery, and others.
Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, researchers conclude that booster regulations may result in more harm than good.
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According to the study, for every one COVID hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, “18 to 98 actual serious adverse events” have been caused.
“Per COVID-19 hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities,” the study stated.
University booster mandates were deemed unethical by the researchers for the following reasons:
  • no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group;
  • vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people;
  • mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission;
  • US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and
  • mandates create wider social harms. We consider counter-arguments such as a desire for socialization and safety and show that such arguments lack scientific and/or ethical support.
The study concludes:
Based on public data provided by the CDC, we estimate that approximately 22,000 to 30,000 previous uninfected young adults ages 18–29 years must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one Covid-19 hospitalisation. Given the fact that this estimate does not take into account the protection conferred by prior infection nor a risk-adjustment for comorbidity status this should be considered a conservative and optimistic assessment of benefit.
Our estimate shows that university Covid-19 vaccine mandates are likely to cause net expected harms to young healthy adults—between 18 and 98 serious adverse events requiring hospitalisation and 1373 to 3234 disruptions of daily activities—that is not outweighed by a proportionate public health benefit.
Serious Covid-19 vaccine-associated harms are not adequately compensated for by current US vaccine injury systems. As such, these severe infringements of individual liberty are ethically unjustifiable.
Worse still, mandates are associated with wider social harms. The fact that such policies were implemented despite controversy among experts and without updating the sole publicly available risk-benefit analysis to the current Omicron variants suggests a profound lack of transparency in scientific and regulatory policy making.
These findings have implications for mandates in other settings such as schools, corporations, healthcare systems and the military. Policymakers should repeal booster mandates for young adults immediately, ensure pathways to compensation to those who have suffered negative consequences from these policies, provide open access to participant-level clinical trial data to allow risk- and age-stratified harm-benefit analyses of any new vaccines prior to issuing recommendations125, and begin what will be a long process of rebuilding trust in public health
You can read and download the study here and below:
COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Ma… by Jim Hoft on Scribd
 
This is now entering the realm of a decided fact.


By Jim Hoft
Published September 12, 2022 at 5:10pm

ed-us-K0DMl4NmOPo-unsplash-1-scaled-e1648265368290.jpg

A new pre-print study by nine health experts from major universities showed that the COVID-19 vaccines are 98 times worse than the virus, and mandatory booster vaccination in college is “ethically unjustifiable,” as reported by Epoch Times.
The study was posted on The Social Science Research Network (SSRN) in September, titled, “COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities.
It was conducted by nine top scientists from the University of Washington, University of Oxford, University of Toronto, Harvard University – Harvard Medical School, University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), Johns Hopkins University – Department of Surgery, and others.
Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, researchers conclude that booster regulations may result in more harm than good.
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According to the study, for every one COVID hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, “18 to 98 actual serious adverse events” have been caused.
“Per COVID-19 hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities,” the study stated.
University booster mandates were deemed unethical by the researchers for the following reasons:
  • no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group;
  • vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people;
  • mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission;
  • US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and
  • mandates create wider social harms. We consider counter-arguments such as a desire for socialization and safety and show that such arguments lack scientific and/or ethical support.
The study concludes:

You can read and download the study here and below:
COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Ma… by Jim Hoft on Scribd
so, the science is bullshit except when it says what you think you want it to say? when they did studies on the vaccine those were bullshit, but 9 doctors is enough to figure out the adverse reactions are 10 times worse (which isn't how science works in the first place) i must say i am shocked at your ability to remain so centered on this issue.
 
My family and I are becoming very reluctant to trust anything the medical people are saying about vaccines at this point

Vaccinated and had Covid multiple times

No longer worried about it as have enough immunity now developed
 
The epoch time and tgp... bringing you fiction that only dumbasses believe. Serious question... A "bombshell" like this one doesn't even make The Lancet or the NJOM journals? Nah...

Another not so serious question... Isn't this the same folks that published that Dr's findings on covid who believed in demon sex? Yeah, I think it it...
 
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My family and I are becoming very reluctant to trust anything the medical people are saying about vaccines at this point

Vaccinated and had Covid multiple times

No longer worried about it as have enough immunity now developed
you're not worried about immunity after getting the vaccine and having it 4 times? wow. shocking on so many levels. you must be a scientist. i bet surviving it had nothing to do with the vaccine? i'd also guess you had some very mild symptoms and that is enough to convince you that COVID is nothing.

you are who they're talking about in Idiocracy.
 
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This is now entering the realm of a decided fact.


By Jim Hoft
Published September 12, 2022 at 5:10pm

ed-us-K0DMl4NmOPo-unsplash-1-scaled-e1648265368290.jpg

A new pre-print study by nine health experts from major universities showed that the COVID-19 vaccines are 98 times worse than the virus, and mandatory booster vaccination in college is “ethically unjustifiable,” as reported by Epoch Times.
The study was posted on The Social Science Research Network (SSRN) in September, titled, “COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities.
It was conducted by nine top scientists from the University of Washington, University of Oxford, University of Toronto, Harvard University – Harvard Medical School, University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), Johns Hopkins University – Department of Surgery, and others.
Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, researchers conclude that booster regulations may result in more harm than good.
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According to the study, for every one COVID hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, “18 to 98 actual serious adverse events” have been caused.
“Per COVID-19 hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities,” the study stated.
University booster mandates were deemed unethical by the researchers for the following reasons:
  • no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group;
  • vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people;
  • mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission;
  • US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and
  • mandates create wider social harms. We consider counter-arguments such as a desire for socialization and safety and show that such arguments lack scientific and/or ethical support.
The study concludes:

You can read and download the study here and below:
COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Ma… by Jim Hoft on Scribd
Tell you what. Let's ask 100 medical professionals whether the Covid vaccine is more dangerous than the virus. I'll bet you $10k that more than half disagree with your 'decided fact.'
I'm serious. Let's make it happen.
 
so, the science is bullshit except when it says what you think you want it to say? when they did studies on the vaccine those were bullshit, but 9 doctors is enough to figure out the adverse reactions are 10 times worse (which isn't how science works in the first place) i must say i am shocked at your ability to remain so centered on this issue.
Follow the science.
 
you're not worried about immunity after getting the vaccine and having it 4 times? wow. shocking on so many levels. you must be a scientist. i bet surviving it had nothing to do with the vaccine? i'd also guess you had some very mild symptoms and that is enough to convince you that COVID is nothing.

you are who they're talking about in Idiocracy.
Can you prove the vaccine caused his symptoms to be mild?

My daughters had COVID. You barely knew they were sick. They aren't vaxed.

FACT IS: COVID in folks less that 40 years old is typically very mild.
 
Can you prove the vaccine caused his symptoms to be mild?

My daughters had COVID. You barely knew they were sick. They aren't vaxed.

FACT IS: COVID in folks less that 40 years old is typically very mild.
Can you prove the sun is yellow?
 
The epoch time and tgp... bringing you fiction that only dumbasses believe. Serious question... A "bombshell" like this one doesn't even make The Lancet or the NJOM journals? Nah...

Another not so serious question... Isn't this the same folks that published that Dr's findings on covid who believed in demon sex? Yeah, I think it it...
This story is not originated from tgp or epoch. They just are reporting on it.
 
Please provide more detail on why it's a problem.
Because we know from experience how your sources intentionally misrepresent stories they report on. Guarantee you if I cared to take the time to dig into it, we'd find something important was left out of their version or they re-framed it to suit their agenda. I mean, we've busted you like 650,000 times now and you just keep chugging out the nonsense. But keep being you ;)
 
you're not worried about immunity after getting the vaccine and having it 4 times? wow. shocking on so many levels. you must be a scientist. i bet surviving it had nothing to do with the vaccine? i'd also guess you had some very mild symptoms and that is enough to convince you that COVID is nothing.

you are who they're talking about in Idiocracy.

the 4 times i had any kind of symptom it was do mild that i was not sure i had anything other than a sniffles

so tested every time last 6 months on sny sign of congestion, sniffles, cough, etc

found on 4 occasions the test indicated Covid

based on my own personal experience Covid that I experienced is preferable to a cold allergies flu etc

Numerous other people have shared the same experience lately

I think based on what i an hearing is the virus has mutated and is now a very mild strain

I have some friends who took the shots and are having fainting and heart trouble at very young ages

based on what i know today i would caution anyone on taking a vaccine

i am not saying dont take it i am just saying be careful as it has consequences that are yet to be known
 
the paper does literally state the gist of the article in the abstract

Abstract​

Students at North American universities risk disenrollment due to third dose COVID-19 vaccine mandates. We present a risk-benefit assessment of boosters in this age group and provide five ethical arguments against mandates. We estimate that 22,000 - 30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one COVID-19 hospitalisation. Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities. Given the high prevalence of post-infection immunity, this risk-benefit profile is even less favourable. University booster mandates are unethical because: 1) no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group; 2) vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people; 3) mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission; 4) US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and 5) mandates create wider social harms. We consider counter-arguments such as a desire for socialisation and safety and show that such arguments lack scientific and/or ethical support. Finally, we discuss the relevance of our analysis for current 2-dose CCOVIDovid-19 vaccine mandates in North America.



denmark also only offering boosters for those over 50 aside from medical exemptions and will not vaccinate anyone under 18. i assume the danish health authority is a sufficient source.


 
the drug companies might not to hear this but i am hearing from many people and when i day i mean a very large amount they are not taking any more vaccines

and many of the people say they had and tested for covid but have decided the risk is less from the disease so stoping with shots
 
Tell you what. Let's ask 100 medical professionals whether the Covid vaccine is more dangerous than the virus. I'll bet you $10k that more than half disagree with your 'decided fact.'
I'm serious. Let's make it happen.

I am hearing the same from professional people

No one is now sure the vaccines are effective as claimed
 
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I am hearing the same from professional people

No one is now sure the vaccines are effective as claimed
there are a lot of people who are sure about it. they usually study outside their spare bedrooms though. people who work in medical labs and in epidemiology offices around the world are sure. 100% no doubt. but what would those morons know, it's only their life's work.
 
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Na. I'll follow the science and the opinion of my family practice doctor, radiologist, urologist and our pediatrician. They don't see any benefit in it either. Having had COVID is the same level of immunity as the vaccine.
So you won't put $10K on your claims that the covid vaccine is more dangerous than the virus? Easy money if you know you are right.
 
you're not worried about immunity after getting the vaccine and having it 4 times? wow. shocking on so many levels. you must be a scientist. i bet surviving it had nothing to do with the vaccine? i'd also guess you had some very mild symptoms and that is enough to convince you that COVID is nothing.

you are who they're talking about in Idiocracy.
Did you really say he survived due to the vaccine?

you funny
 
there are a lot of people who are sure about it. they usually study outside their spare bedrooms though. people who work in medical labs and in epidemiology offices around the world are sure. 100% no doubt. but what would those morons know, it's only their life's work.

I am sure the same people who were sure about the Trump Russian Collusion which turned out to be one big fatburger of crap

I took all the vaccines and think they may have helped but really being in good health was more important in my opinion

Just like the experts announced one week what was guidance and reversed it the next week

At this time I am dealing with yes I probably did good by getting the vaccines but going forward I will need a lot more supporting evidence than the scraps you cite as proof positive
 
there are a lot of people who are sure about it. they usually study outside their spare bedrooms though. people who work in medical labs and in epidemiology offices around the world are sure. 100% no doubt. but what would those morons know, it's only their life's work.

Some of these experts you want to cite please give names as many of them were involved in gain of function studies endangering the entire world if the virus escaped and dam if it didn’t escape

Dr Fauci will be discovered for the role he played in killing millions of people along with the rest of jerks who let this escape the lab
 
Because we know from experience how your sources intentionally misrepresent stories they report on. Guarantee you if I cared to take the time to dig into it, we'd find something important was left out of their version or they re-framed it to suit their agenda. I mean, we've busted you like 650,000 times now and you just keep chugging out the nonsense. But keep being you ;)
You dont know that. LOL! This story is coming epidemiologists from Harvard, Johns Hopkins and other prestigious universities.
 
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there are a lot of people who are sure about it. they usually study outside their spare bedrooms though. people who work in medical labs and in epidemiology offices around the world are sure. 100% no doubt. but what would those morons know, it's only their life's work.
there were a lot of people sure about bleeding patients and the earth being flat too. concussions were called getting your bell run until like a decade ago. for like 60 years we were sure serotonin levels were the cause of depression and like a month ago we found out that was almost certainly wrong. they were sure aids was exclusive to gay people. if you are sure enough about an emergency use authorized vaccine to say its "safe and effective", and that if you get it you "cannot get or transmit the virus"...you cannot be taken seriously. thats not how science works. if you willfully ignored history, common sense, and the very nature of science itself to accept those statements at face value because they work in a lab....well then the best thing this jab will hopefully prove effective at is boosting that degree of stupid out of the gene pool.
 
So you won't put $10K on your claims that the covid vaccine is more dangerous than the virus? Easy money if you know you are right.
Please cite the post where I say the COVID vaccine is more dangerous than the virus.

I say the vaccine is unnecessary for the majority of the population. And I'm right. And science and math agree.

So does Denmark who just banned the vaccine for all low risk people under the age of 50.

Drove up to the game this with a buddy of mine who is an executive for a large hospital system in SC (and through out the SE). He informed me that during COVID they were REQUIRED to list any death where the person was suspected to have COVID as a COVID Death. If a person died of a heart attack, but had COVID, it was a COVID death. They've now been instructed to go back through their records and reclassify the deaths by the real cause and list COVID as a contributing factor. BLUF: COVID deaths were way overstated. He also said there was never an issue with have enough ventilators. Ventilators are highly portable. When one hospital ran tight, they'd just move ventilators from one hospital to another. But that didn't align with the level of panic CNN and MSNBC wanted to public to believe. "Get the vaccine and you won't get COVID." - Joe Biden.

"people aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from COVID-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from COVID-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with COVID-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population." - DHA

You can't pick and chose your science bro.
 
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the best part of social media is people who have no specific training in the slightest offering black and white analysis on topics they're not qualified to weigh in on.

>i spoke with a guy
>i read a substack
>this article from zimbabwe news

recommendations were made based upon the best possible data available at that time. the vaccine was effective against the original strain of the virus, but it is just unfortunate that it was released around the time the delta variant emerged. this doesn't mean the vaccine was worthless, just that the vaccine that was developed wasn't as efficient at the other evolved strains that emerged.

i'm not a medical professional, so i try not to talk in absolutes about this stuff, but i will still continue to trust in what the medical professionals suggest someone in my age and health bracket should do
 
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you cant read so gud, huh

COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities​


50 Pages Posted: 12 Sep 2022


Kevin Bardosh

University of Washington; University of Edinburgh - Edinburgh Medical School

Allison Krug

Artemis Biomedical Communications LLC

Euzebiusz Jamrozik

University of Oxford

Trudo Lemmens

University of Toronto - Faculty of Law

Salmaan Keshavjee

Harvard University - Harvard Medical School

Vinay Prasad

University of California, San Francisco (UCSF)

Martin A. Makary

Johns Hopkins University - Department of Surgery

Stefan Baral

John Hopkins University

Tracy Beth Høeg

Florida Department of Health; Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital
Date Written: August 31, 2022



think im ok squirt, im the guy that makes it a point to know what im talking about. you must be the other guy
 
Tell you what. Let's ask 100 medical professionals whether the Covid vaccine is more dangerous than the virus. I'll bet you $10k that more than half disagree with your 'decided fact.'
I'm serious. Let's make it happen.
Well I’ve already done that, see unlike you I have access to dozens and dozens of doctors who I’ve questioned in their homes completely off the record so I’ll take that 10,000 now.
You have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about. I researched this for two years and asked doctors every week about what I was finding.
I knew the government was doing the opposite of 100 years of scientifically established protocols.
I knew that a new vaccine had never been introduced in the middle of a pandemic because it forces the virus to mutate.
I knew vaccines are mostly ineffective against variants.
I knew nothing but a properly fitted N95 mask would stop the spread of a virus.
I knew that normal vaccine trials take 5-7 years and there was zero possibility the Covid vaccines had been properly vetted for safety.
Very few of the doctors I spoke with voluntarily took the jab. Some who were retired refused. Asking a doctor a question at his office is useless as he is liable. I work in peoples homes every day and doctors knew long before the public what a scam the policies and the vaccines are. I have one customer Dr Charowski with AnMed who says Fauci should be in jail.
You should reallt try to think for yourself and do your own research. The truth isn’t very hard to discover on this. Doctors all over the world have been screaming from the roof tops since March of 2020. You just have to look outside the MSM on a non corporate search engine.
Tell you what. Let's ask 100 medical professionals whether the Covid vaccine is more dangerous than the virus. I'll bet you $10k that more than half disagree with your 'decided fact.'
I'm serious. Let's make it happen.
 
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i'm not a medical professional, so i try not to talk in absolutes about this stuff, but i will still continue to trust in what the medical professionals suggest someone in my age and health bracket should do
Well you trust the medical professionals that authored the report referenced in this post then?
 
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