11.4 million people

[appalachiatiger]

are to be on OBAMACARE this year.

5% of medicaid users consume 50% of the resources.

75 million enrolled in medicaid.

thats roughly 3-4 million americans consuming over 50% of the funding.

republicans should cut a deal.

we will give the liberals "national healthcare" in exchange for-

1- eliminating the dept of education and returning all control of education by to the school districts and parents.

2- elimination of the corporate and personal income tax. replaced by a national sales tax collected by states.

time for compromise.....

 

[tiger1995]

Furthermore, this post should be moved to The Round Table. Thx for stopping by.

 

[dpotter24]

Furthermore, this post should be moved to The Round Table. Thx for stopping by.

And you should be moved to TMB

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

Outside of national defense and interstate commerce (both constitutional) the govt needs to gtfo of everything else.

 

[johnhugh]

Nothing like a good old "if you can't afford medicine, regardless of its price, you deserve to die"

Great people

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

Nothing like a good old "if you can't afford medicine, regardless of its price, you deserve to die"

Great people

"Nothing like a good old "I'm here from the government and I'm here to help"

Great rationale

 

[TAINT_PAINT]

are to be on OBAMACARE this year.

5% of medicaid users consume 50% of the resources.

75 million enrolled in medicaid.

thats roughly 3-4 million americans consuming over 50% of the funding.

republicans should cut a deal.

we will give the liberals "national healthcare" in exchange for-

1- eliminating the dept of education and returning all control of education by to the school districts and parents.

2- elimination of the corporate and personal income tax. replaced by a national sales tax collected by states.

time for compromise.....

...SAYS THE GUY WHO WRECKED HIS VAN, GOT TREATMENT FROM AN ER, WALKED OUT OF SAID ER, AND MOST LIKELY DID NOT PAY HIS HOSPITAL BILL.

 

[Howard's Jock]

considering op is a glaring example of the lack of mental health resources in this country....

 

[toolucky52384]

1- eliminating the dept of education and returning all control of education by to the school districts and parents.

2- elimination of the corporate and personal income tax. replaced by a national sales tax collected by states.

an fantastic bit of App'ing right there... draws you in with the ED elimination... and boom... hits you with the national sales tax.

eliminating the ED department would have almost no impact on curriculum, it would however get the governemnt out of the student loan business, which it should not be in.

love the idea of suplementing and executing experiments with a national sales tax, but as the token moderate on the board, i'd say phase it in in small amounts. you can't just go from 90% corporate, payroll, income tax one year to eliminated the next... changes in tax code will affect wages, prices, inflation, etc. do it in 1% increments (with income / corporate offsets) over a 10 year period and then take 5 more years to see the impact... then and only then continue to roll back Income/Corporate/Payroll and increase sales tax.

am in favor of the fair tax with a poverty level pre-bate as a supplement to and only with a corresponding reduction in income / corporate / payroll tax.

 

[johnhugh]

"Nothing like a good old "I'm here from the government and I'm here to help"

Great rationale

I didn't say that. But if you agree with the sentiment that medicine is only for people who can afford it, then you are the lowest of the low. We are all human beings.

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

I didn't say that. But if you agree with the sentiment that medicine is only for people who can afford it, then you are the lowest of the low. We are all human beings.

The only reason medicine is expensive, the only reason, is because of the government. So if you agree with the sentiment that the government is the answer then you have the lowest of the low IQ.

"We are all human beings" is the fallback argument when your line of reasoning becomes self-defeating and fails in the arena of public debate.

Good work

 

[toolucky52384]

The only reason medicine is expensive, the only reason, is because of the government. So if you agree with the sentiment that the government is the answer then you have the lowest of the low IQ.

"We are all human beings" is the fallback argument when your line of reasoning becomes self-defeating and fails in the arena of public debate.

Good work

bingo... even if we move to a form of universal healthcare it needs to be a lighter, leaner, government only involved in the most basic parts of healthcare...

can't continually expand medicare / medicaid to cover more and more things, just invites abuse from corporations.

 

[johnhugh]

The only reason medicine is expensive, the only reason, is because of the government. So if you agree with the sentiment that the government is the answer then you have the lowest of the low IQ.

"We are all human beings" is the fallback argument when your line of reasoning becomes self-defeating and fails in the arena of public debate.

Good work

Lol. Nice try. So if government is the problem then I would assume medicine in countries with stronger government influence would have more expensive medicine, such as Spain. But Spain doesn't have more expensive medicine. As a matter of fact, nobody else has more expensive medicine than the US.

Medicine is not a business, it is not an area where profit is the goal. The goal and purpose of medicine is to cure, treat, heal, and prevent.

 

[nytigerfan]

The only reason medicine is expensive, the only reason, is because of the government.

Can you explain that? I dont get it.

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

Lol. Nice try. So if government is the problem then I would assume medicine in countries with stronger government influence would have more expensive medicine, such as Spain. But Spain doesn't have more expensive medicine. As a matter of fact, nobody else has more expensive medicine than the US.

Medicine is not a business, it is not an area where profit is the goal. The goal and purpose of medicine is to cure, treat, heal, and prevent.

Comparing our hospitals, healthcare facilities, medical advancements/innovation, disease research, and access to the best trained, most skilled doctors/surgeons on the planet to Spain?

"We are all humans" and "Spain" in the same argument.

Looks like you've given up.

 

[firegiver]

Can you explain that? I dont get it.

In large part because its not true. MRIs are expensive, because the machines are expensive. Hospitals charge a lot because they have fake prices that they conspired to 'charge' and then gave deep discounts to health insurers.

Medicine costs a lot because of patent bs and prescription companies being servants to their shareholders and also the cost of research.

 

[johnhugh]

Comparing our hospitals, healthcare facilities, medical advancements/innovation, disease research, and access to the best trained, most skilled doctors/surgeons on the planet to Spain?

"We are all humans" and "Spain" in the same argument.

Looks like you've given up.

So with all of our advancements and great medicine our population should be super healthy right? Like top 10 in the world? Wrong. We're pretty mediocre. Spain is number 7.

Either admit you support letting people die when they don't have to or quit. I can see right through what you're dressing this up as

 

[johnhugh]

Wait, I just remembered that @CUtiger (actual) is the poster that told me that professors and researchers are just people mooching off of grants when in reality slightly less than 10% of researchers actually successfully get a grant. F me for not realizing who I am trying to argue with earlier.

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

Can you explain that? I dont get it.

This will walk you through it:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/17889/prageru-video-why-health-care-so-expensive-aaron-bandler

Watch the video, if reading isn't your thing.

 

[appalachiatiger]

an fantastic bit of App'ing right there... draws you in with the ED elimination... and boom... hits you with the national sales tax.

eliminating the ED department would have almost no impact on curriculum, it would however get the governemnt out of the student loan business, which it should not be in.

love the idea of suplementing and executing experiments with a national sales tax, but as the token moderate on the board, i'd say phase it in in small amounts. you can't just go from 90% corporate, payroll, income tax one year to eliminated the next... changes in tax code will affect wages, prices, inflation, etc. do it in 1% increments (with income / corporate offsets) over a 10 year period and then take 5 more years to see the impact... then and only then continue to roll back Income/Corporate/Payroll and increase sales tax.

am in favor of the fair tax with a poverty level pre-bate as a supplement to and only with a corresponding reduction in income / corporate / payroll tax.

Capitalism can be more efficient and controlled thru a national sales tax. Having each state collecting and controlling these give States at least a hair more power.

Taxing consumption is a far better approach than taxing your labor.

The Liberals #1 agenda item is a national healthcare system.

Lets compromise. That's what being an elected official is all about.

Being a dick and boasting your lacking of negotiating skills back in your district difies logic.

They are being paid to negotiate contracts on a daily basis.

They suck at it. Less than 10% elected officials are in Washington to do the job.

The rest go to enrich themselves.

 

[appalachiatiger]

an fantastic bit of App'ing right there... draws you in with the ED elimination... and boom... hits you with the national sales tax.

eliminating the ED department would have almost no impact on curriculum, it would however get the governemnt out of the student loan business, which it should not be in.

love the idea of suplementing and executing experiments with a national sales tax, but as the token moderate on the board, i'd say phase it in in small amounts. you can't just go from 90% corporate, payroll, income tax one year to eliminated the next... changes in tax code will affect wages, prices, inflation, etc. do it in 1% increments (with income / corporate offsets) over a 10 year period and then take 5 more years to see the impact... then and only then continue to roll back Income/Corporate/Payroll and increase sales tax.

am in favor of the fair tax with a poverty level pre-bate as a supplement to and only with a corresponding reduction in income / corporate / payroll tax.[/QUOT

Exactly- student loan business is going to be a huge hit one day. Sell it off and convert to veteran affairs. Turn buildings into VA appts for vets and their families.

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

So with all of our advancements and great medicine our population should be super healthy right? Like top 10 in the world? Wrong. We're pretty mediocre. Spain is number 7.

Either admit you support letting people die when they don't have to or quit. I can see right through what you're dressing this up as

You might be too far gone.

Hopefully our society will turn around under Trump and start publicly shaming your types again where you become social outcasts or move to Europe and become a good little Spaniard.

 

[appalachiatiger]

an fantastic bit of App'ing right there... draws you in with the ED elimination... and boom... hits you with the national sales tax.

eliminating the ED department would have almost no impact on curriculum, it would however get the governemnt out of the student loan business, which it should not be in.

love the idea of suplementing and executing experiments with a national sales tax, but as the token moderate on the board, i'd say phase it in in small amounts. you can't just go from 90% corporate, payroll, income tax one year to eliminated the next... changes in tax code will affect wages, prices, inflation, etc. do it in 1% increments (with income / corporate offsets) over a 10 year period and then take 5 more years to see the impact... then and only then continue to roll back Income/Corporate/Payroll and increase sales tax.

am in favor of the fair tax with a poverty level pre-bate as a supplement to and only with a corresponding reduction in income / corporate / payroll tax.

Easing the transition would take a few years.

Freezing spending all line items for 36 months then reduce spending 2% for every line item for the next 7 years.

Education Dept and alot of the IRS expenses are out the dir.

Cut all benefits to elected officials to zero. No pensions. Same plan on healthcare as all Americans would get under Natty health plan.. Tie Salary to median wage. Median wage increases then they get pay increases.

 

[johnhugh]

You might be too far gone.

Hopefully our society will turn around under Trump and start publicly shaming your types again where you become social outcasts or move to Europe and become a good little Spaniard.

You're right. We're the only country that might do the right thing. The rest of the countries on the earth are doing it all wrong.

I'd have minimal qualms with moving to Spain. At least I know I'd be healthier and I'd have a more relaxed lifestyle.

You yourself may be too far gone. Open your mind. The US is not the be all end all, nor is it perfect and totally right in everything it does

 

[appalachiatiger]

Exactly- student loan business is going to be a huge hit one day. Sell it off and convert to veteran affairs. Turn buildings into VA appts for vets and their families.

 

[appalachiatiger]

If Americans spend $11 trillion per qtr on consumption and the government spends $2 trillion per qtr,

How much would a national sales tax need to be to cover???

 

[toolucky52384]

If Americans spend $11 trillion per qtr on consumption and the government spends $2 trillion per qtr,

How much would a national sales tax need to be to cover???

i'd recheck those numbers... total national income is around 13 T per year, ... i know we love credit card debt, but that seems excessive...fed gov budget is about 4 T

because all savings would go untaxed and be allowed to grow as such i think it would hamper spending, which in turn would require the tax to go up... i honestly think you'd be looking at 50%+. It would also make american an unpopular place to spend money... vacationing in Europe would increase.

 

[tigertommy1]

Why should I work hard to have good insurance for me and my family, and yet others get free insurance, or greatly reduced?

Why cant your insurance rate be more tied to your health? Bad drivers pay more. If you make poor life choices, then pay more......more so than now. I know some risk factors are in the actuarial tables

Govt just needs to stay out of the insurance marketplace. Pass couple changes and allow the free market to work better and more efficient

I didnt say not care for people, but get out of the insurance market.

 

[firegiver]

Why should I work hard to have good insurance for me and my family, and yet others get free insurance, or greatly reduced?

Why cant your insurance rate be more tied to your health? Bad drivers pay more. If you make poor life choices, then pay more......more so than now. I know some risk factors are in the actuarial tables

Govt just needs to stay out of the insurance marketplace. Pass couple changes and allow the free market to work better and more efficient

I didnt say not care for people, but get out of the insurance market.

If that happened how would hospitals stay open? Imagine all the free health care they'd have to provide and never be reimbursed for.

 

[clemsonpaw00]

This will walk you through it:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/17889/prageru-video-why-health-care-so-expensive-aaron-bandler

Watch the video, if reading isn't your thing.

lol at linking something from the daily wire, a site that has an article from this week entitled "global warming hoax exposed," and expecting a single person to take you seriously.

 

[tigertommy1]

If that happened how would hospitals stay open? Imagine all the free health care they'd have to provide and never be reimbursed for.

they stayed open previously.....AND gave free treatment to those that didn't have insurance.

 

[firegiver]

they stayed open previously.....AND gave free treatment to those that didn't have insurance.

So we should bomb ourselves back to the 1950's?

 

[wburress]

they stayed open previously.....AND gave free treatment to those that didn't have insurance.

And we all end up paying for it in the form of higher prices. That's the thing with health insurance... people who can't afford it either:

1) don't have it, don't ever see a doctor, and then turn up to the emergency room for really expensive treatments they can't pay for. They get treated anyhow, and hospitals get stuck with the bill and we end up paying for it

2) have it, maybe go to the doctor more regularly, get preventative care, and fewer people get really sick. We end up paying for it, but we pay less.

Either way, the taxpayer pays for those people. We might as well pay for it up front and try to prevent some of the catastrophic cases.

 

[tiger1995]

And you should be moved to TMB

 

[MKOTiger]

are to be on OBAMACARE this year.

5% of medicaid users consume 50% of the resources.

75 million enrolled in medicaid.

thats roughly 3-4 million americans consuming over 50% of the funding.

republicans should cut a deal.

we will give the liberals "national healthcare" in exchange for-

1- eliminating the dept of education and returning all control of education by to the school districts and parents.

2- elimination of the corporate and personal income tax. replaced by a national sales tax collected by states.

time for compromise.....

Are you crazy? ...... that's a rhetorical question.

 

[tigertommy1]

So we should bomb ourselves back to the 1950's?

50's? Just go back 8 years.

MY insurance is much more expensive. Worse coverage/policy actually. Nobody in my family is sick

Why am I forced to pay more for insurance for ME to supplement people who make bad choices?

Again, make some market adjustments and get the govt out of the insurance game (again - not care. Insurance)

Im not opposed to helping people. But dont penalize everyone.

How hard is that to grasp? And understand?

 

[FLaw47]

50's? Just go back 8 years.

MY insurance is much more expensive. Worse coverage/policy actually. Nobody in my family is sick

Why am I forced to pay more for insurance for ME to supplement people who make bad choices?

Again, make some market adjustments and get the govt out of the insurance game (again - not care. Insurance)

Im not opposed to helping people. But dont penalize everyone.

How hard is that to grasp? And understand?

There are people who make bad choices and, for those people, perhaps you have an argument that we shouldn't all be paying for them.

However, there are a lot of people who don't make bad choices are and still expensive to insure. The median person pays more in premiums than they use because they want to be covered if they're that guy someday. That's how insurance works. How hard is that to grasp? And understand?