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Americans Who Died in War are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of The Atlantic, an American magazine. AllSides rates the ... Political News Media Bias Rating: Lean Left. AllSides Media
 
Kind of, kind of vague, isn’t it? Not a Lot of people out of all these witnesses of all of these parade of horribles willing to give their name? Even when named, individuals decline to comment?
 
His actions really back up that statement let me tell you. Not! Day by day I'm observing just exactly how desperate the left is in this election. The amount of money it's just insane. It's a shame that you're part of the problem. God bless you man
He did go after a Gold Star family in the 2016 election. YES the Gold Star family was being used by the Dems BUT Gold Star families are off limits ... no matter what they say.

That was when Trump lost me ... a life long Republican
 
Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of The Atlantic, an American magazine. AllSides rates the ... Political News Media Bias Rating: Lean Left. AllSides Media
Left-center, and more importantly “high” for factual reporting. Wherever an outlet falls on the left-right spectrum, ratings for factual accuracy is much more important.
 
"When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

Belleau Wood is a consequential battle in American history, and the ground on which it was fought is venerated by the Marine Corps. America and its allies stopped the German advance toward Paris there in the spring of 1918. But Trump, on that same trip, asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?” He also said that he didn’t understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the Allies.
Trump’s understanding of concepts such as patriotism, service, and sacrifice has interested me since he expressed contempt for the war record of the late Senator John McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said in 2015 while running for the Republican nomination for president. “I like people who weren’t captured.”

Read: John McCain’s death brought out the worst in the Trump administration

There was no precedent in American politics for the expression of this sort of contempt, but the performatively patriotic Trump did no damage to his candidacy by attacking McCain in this manner. Nor did he set his campaign back by attacking the parents of Humayun Khan, an Army captain who was killed in Iraq in 2004.

Trump remained fixated on McCain, one of the few prominent Republicans to continue criticizing him after he won the nomination. When McCain died, in August 2018, Trump told his senior staff, according to three sources with direct knowledge of this event, “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral,” and he became furious, according to witnesses, when he saw flags lowered to half-staff. “What the **** are we doing that for? Guy was a ****ing loser,” the president told aides. Trump was not invited to McCain’s funeral. (These sources, and others quoted in this article, spoke on condition of anonymity. The White House did not return earlier calls for comment, but Alyssa Farah, a White House spokesperson, emailed me this statement shortly after this story was posted: “This report is false. President Trump holds the military in the highest regard. He’s demonstrated his commitment to them at every turn: delivering on his promise to give our troops a much needed pay raise, increasing military spending, signing critical veterans reforms, and supporting military spouses. This has no basis in fact.”)

Trump’s understanding of heroism has not evolved since he became president. According to sources with knowledge of the president’s views, he seems to genuinely not understand why Americans treat former prisoners of war with respect. Nor does he understand why pilots who are shot down in combat are honored by the military. On at least two occasions since becoming president, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his views, Trump referred to former President George H. W. Bush as a “loser” for being shot down by the Japanese as a Navy pilot in World War II. (Bush escaped capture, but eight other men shot down during the same mission were caught, tortured, and executed by Japanese soldiers.)

When lashing out at critics, Trump often reaches for illogical and corrosive insults, and members of the Bush family have publicly opposed him. But his cynicism about service and heroism extends even to the World War I dead buried outside Paris—people who were killed more than a quarter century before he was born. Trump finds the notion of military service difficult to understand, and the idea of volunteering to serve especially incomprehensible. (The president did not serve in the military; he received a medical deferment from the draft during the Vietnam War because of the alleged presence of bone spurs in his feet. In the 1990s, Trump said his efforts to avoid contracting sexually transmitted diseases constituted his “personal Vietnam.”)

Amy J. Rutenberg: What Trump’s draft deferments reveal

On Memorial Day 2017, Trump visited Arlington National Cemetery, a short drive from the White House. He was accompanied on this visit by John Kelly, who was then the secretary of homeland security, and who would, a short time later, be named the White House chief of staff. The two men were set to visit Section 60, the 14-acre area of the cemetery that is the burial ground for those killed in America’s most recent wars. Kelly’s son Robert is buried in Section 60. A first lieutenant in the Marine Corps, Robert Kelly was killed in 2010 in Afghanistan. He was 29. Trump was meant, on this visit, to join John Kelly in paying respects at his son’s grave, and to comfort the families of other fallen service members. But according to sources with knowledge of this visit, Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Kelly (who declined to comment for this story) initially believed, people close to him said, that Trump was making a ham-handed reference to the selflessness of America’s all-volunteer force. But later he came to realize that Trump simply does not understand non-transactional life choices.


“He can’t fathom the idea of doing something for someone other than himself,” one of Kelly’s friends, a retired four-star general, told me. “He just thinks that anyone who does anything when there’s no direct personal gain to be had is a sucker. There’s no money in serving the nation.” Kelly’s friend went on to say, “Trump can’t imagine anyone else’s pain. That’s why he would say this to the father of a fallen marine on Memorial Day in the cemetery where he’s buried.”

I’ve asked numerous general officers over the past year for their analysis of Trump’s seeming contempt for military service. They offer a number of explanations. Some of his cynicism is rooted in frustration, they say. Trump, unlike previous presidents, tends to believe that the military, like other departments of the federal government, is beholden only to him, and not the Constitution. Many senior officers have expressed worry about Trump’s understanding of the rules governing the use of the armed forces. This issue came to a head in early June, during demonstrations in Washington, D.C., in response to police killings of Black people. James Mattis, the retired Marine general and former secretary of defense, lambasted Trump at the time for ordering law-enforcement officers to forcibly clear protesters from Lafayette Square, and for using soldiers as props: “When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution,” Mattis wrote. “Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.”

Another explanation is more quotidian, and aligns with a broader understanding of Trump’s material-focused worldview. The president believes that nothing is worth doing without the promise of monetary payback, and that talented people who don’t pursue riches are “losers.” (According to eyewitnesses, after a White House briefing given by the then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joe Dunford, Trump turned to aides and said, “That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?”)

Yet another, related, explanation concerns what appears to be Trump’s pathological fear of appearing to look like a “sucker” himself. His capacious definition of sucker includes those who lose their lives in service to their country, as well as those who are taken prisoner, or are wounded in battle. “He has a lot of fear,” one officer with firsthand knowledge of Trump’s views said. “He doesn’t see the heroism in fighting.” Several observers told me that Trump is deeply anxious about dying or being disfigured, and this worry manifests itself as disgust for those who have suffered. Trump recently claimed that he has received the bodies of slain service members “many, many” times, but in fact he has traveled to Dover Air Force Base, the transfer point for the remains of fallen service members, only four times since becoming president. In another incident, Trump falsely claimed that he had called “virtually all” of the families of service members who had died during his term, then began rush-shipping condolence letters when families said the president was not telling the truth.

Trump has been, for the duration of his presidency, fixated on staging military parades, but only of a certain sort. In a 2018 White House planning meeting for such an event, Trump asked his staff not to include wounded veterans, on grounds that spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees. “Nobody wants to see that,” he said."


https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ho-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
 
John McCain was among the most corrupt and dishonest politicians to ever serve in the US Senate. I refused to vote for him when he ran against Obama. I sat that one out. His funeral demonstrated just how deep he swam in the swamp. He gained power not because he was a hero, but because he understood how to use (or abuse) his status as a wounded POW.
 
John McCain was among the most corrupt and dishonest politicians to ever serve in the US Senate. I refused to vote for him when he ran against Obama. I sat that one out. His funeral demonstrated just how deep he swam in the swamp. He gained power not because he was a hero, but because he understood how to use (or abuse) his status as a wounded POW.
McCain was a Committee of 300 Member in the NWO! He had a chance to crush Obamacare & didn’t!
 
He did go after a Gold Star family in the 2016 election. YES the Gold Star family was being used by the Dems BUT Gold Star families are off limits ... no matter what they say.

That was when Trump lost me ... a life long Republican

That family was prostituting the memory of their child at the behest of the Democrats. But like the unborn, their child could not speak. I remember that at the time I found it sad that they dishonored their child and themselves in that manner.

It may be emotionally satisfying, but understand that a vote for anyone but Trump paves the way for the Democrats to continue their march toward socialism and for you to fall further into servitude to the political elite.. There is no middle ground here.
 
That family was prostituting the memory of their child at the behest of the Democrats. But like the unborn, their child could not speak. I remember that at the time I found it sad that they dishonored their child and themselves in that manner.

It may be emotionally satisfying, but understand that a vote for anyone but Trump paves the way for the Democrats to continue their march toward socialism and for you to fall further into servitude to the political elite.. There is no middle ground here.
You’re Absolutely right about that!
 
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You’re Absolutely right about that!

The Democrats target the young, because they do not have life experience and also because their capacity for reasoning is still developing. Easy to manipulate. They also target the old, who are tired of the struggle of their earlier life, and who long for that peaceful retirement, and are nostalgic for the "good old days" when things were simpler (due to the socialist Democrat agenda not taking hold yet) and also whose mental faculties are degrade. Again, easy to manipulate.

Their long game was to overtake the education system and then take control of what otherwise would be rational thinking adults in their prime. Easily done once you remove religion which makes a judgement between "right" and "wrong".. black and white. Then you evolve to nothing but "grey". They have succeeded in this.

Of course this is in addition to encouraging a welfare state and mindset amongst the poor (large minority percentage) by offering bread and circuses. Standard stuff.
 
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That family was prostituting the memory of their child at the behest of the Democrats. But like the unborn, their child could not speak. I remember that at the time I found it sad that they dishonored their child and themselves in that manner.

It may be emotionally satisfying, but understand that a vote for anyone but Trump paves the way for the Democrats to continue their march toward socialism and for you to fall further into servitude to the political elite.. There is no middle ground here.
Irrelevant... Gold Star families are off limits. You thank them for their sacrifice, praise their family members courage and you move on ... period.

I don’t disagree that the family was being used by the Dems, which ... too me made Trumps attacks even worse. It was obvious he was being baited ... and he fell for it.
 
Irrelevant... Gold Star families are off limits. You thank them for their sacrifice, praise their family members courage and you move on ... period.

I don’t disagree that the family was being used by the Dems, which ... too me made Trumps attacks even worse. It was obvious he was being baited ... and he fell for it.

I can see your point. To a point. And your point of view is my default and one that would have expounded out of hand a few years ago. No longer. Times, sadly have changed.

At some point every individual's actions have to stand alone. To allow yourself to be paraded on the national stage as a useful idiot at the expense of your son's honor shows your disregard and disrespect for what he did.

This was not a spur of the moment outburst on the family's part, which should, of course, be accepted. . It was calculated, well prepared, and well-rehearsed and a political statement.

However agree or disagree, my salient comment was not irrelevant. Trump "lost" you. So, that then means that you support the Socialist, Democrat Agenda. Racial divide, open borders, class warfare, big government intruding further into our lives,. cities run by rioters and anarchists?

"Like" Trump or not, you can't sit on the fence on this one. It's a binary choice. This has degenerated into a knife-fight for the future of our country. Please focus on the big picture.
 
I’d be more likely to dismiss this had he not said what he did about McCain in 2015.
John McCain was a bump who although I appreciate his military service, milked the gvtment for years and years
 

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Guys... it doesn't even matter if it's true or not. Is there a SINGLE person on here that would stop supporting Trump if it were true? I doubt it. So why bother talking about it. As Trump himself said he could go out into the street and shoot someone down and not lose a single vote. The Republican Party should just change it's name to the Trumpians and stop pretending.. Anything Trump says or does is FINE. The "law and order" President spent yesterday encouraging people in NC to vote twice. Any Trump supporter on here got a problem with that? I didn't think so... The AG of the US was asked if that were OK. He refused to even admit that voting twice was a crime... Any Trump supporter got a problem with that? I didn't think so.

I've made no secret that I despise Trump... I don't really have a huge problem with his policies.. Sure they are a bit conservative for me, but they aren't terrible either. It's the fact that this guy has no sense of right or wrong... truth or lies. And that he's out there representing our country to us and to the world. We are a laughing stock right now. China and Russia are running amuck b/c they don't respect us... Our allies in NATO don't trust us. I don't love Biden... but damn man... I'd LOVE to wake up in the morning and NOT worry about what our President is going to do or say today.
 
Guys... it doesn't even matter if it's true or not. Is there a SINGLE person on here that would stop supporting Trump if it were true? I doubt it. So why bother talking about it. As Trump himself said he could go out into the street and shoot someone down and not lose a single vote. The Republican Party should just change it's name to the Trumpians and stop pretending.. Anything Trump says or does is FINE. The "law and order" President spent yesterday encouraging people in NC to vote twice. Any Trump supporter on here got a problem with that? I didn't think so... The AG of the US was asked if that were OK. He refused to even admit that voting twice was a crime... Any Trump supporter got a problem with that? I didn't think so.

I've made no secret that I despise Trump... I don't really have a huge problem with his policies.. Sure they are a bit conservative for me, but they aren't terrible either. It's the fact that this guy has no sense of right or wrong... truth or lies. And that he's out there representing our country to us and to the world. We are a laughing stock right now. China and Russia are running amuck b/c they don't respect us... Our allies in NATO don't trust us. I don't love Biden... but damn man... I'd LOVE to wake up in the morning and NOT worry about what our President is going to do or say today.


https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-41896439

and

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...hinese-people-really-think-about-donald-trump

actual quote from a real chinese person-

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Fei Danyang, a 42-year-old financial analyst,

“He’s an interesting person, more honest than Obama. He is no politician and has big ego...so his honesty is, in a disrespectful way, a bit self-righteous and ignorant of other people’s feelings.”
 
dont worry

it was horrible

a total waste of time reading

it was eloquent

but a total lie

on what basis do you dismiss this story as a lie? Is it simply because you dislike the facts being reported? While The Atlantic is a left-leaning publication, it is reputable & only prints well-sourced journalism. Other news orgs have corroborated the reporting.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-41896439

and

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...hinese-people-really-think-about-donald-trump

actual quote from a real chinese person-

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Fei Danyang, a 42-year-old financial analyst,

“He’s an interesting person, more honest than Obama. He is no politician and has big ego...so his honesty is, in a disrespectful way, a bit self-righteous and ignorant of other people’s feelings.”

and in india-------------

A majority of Indians have confidence in Donald Trump to do the right thing when it comes to world affairs.

Trump’s image in India has gained favor since his candidacy in 2016, jumping from 14% confidence to 56% over three years.
 
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on what basis do you dismiss this story as a lie? Is it simply because you dislike the facts being reported? While The Atlantic is a left-leaning publication, it is reputable & only prints well-sourced journalism. Other news orgs have corroborated the reporting.

it is taking words and spinning a narrative that is not accurate

like maria taylor did

like adam schiff did

like nancy pelosi did

like james comey did

like mike farrell did

like chris cuomo did

like don lemon did

like joe and mika b did

like barbara streisand did

alot of people are taking words and creating their own narratives and trying to convince us that their way of viewing the book should be theirs because they chose a sentence in a whole chapter.
 
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US President Donald Trump referred to US Marines buried in a WWI cemetery in France as "losers" and "suckers" for getting killed in action, according to a report Thursday in the Atlantic magazine.

The report, penned by the magazine's editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg, said Trump had refused to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018 because

"he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain,"

although the official explanation offered by aides was that the helicopter due to take him there could not fly due to weather.

"In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, 'Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers,'" the article said.

"In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as 'suckers' for getting killed," the Atlantic added,

citing four unnamed people it said had firsthand knowledge of the discussions.

Trump slammed the report late Thursday, after his aides earlier called the allegations "disgusting, grotesque, reprehensible lies."

"Somebody makes up this horrible story that I didn't want to go," he told reporters after returning from a campaign rally in Pennsylvania.

"If they really exist, if people really exist that would have said that, they're low lifes and they're liars. And I would be willing to swear on anything that I never said that about our fallen heroes," he said.

"No animal, nobody, what animal would say such a thing?"

'Disgusting & jealous'


However, some critics pointed to Trump's denigrating comments about late senator John McCain, who was captured in Vietnam and was widely regarded as a war hero.

Trump said in the run-up to the 2016 election: "He's not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

The US president acknowledged on Twitter that he was "never a big fan" of McCain, but that lowering of flags after the senator's death and his "first class" funeral in Washington "had to be approved by me, as President, & I did so without hesitation or complaint. Quite the contrary, I felt it was well deserved."

"Also, I never called John a loser and swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on, that I never called our great fallen soldiers anything other than HEROES," Trump added.

"This is more made up Fake News given by disgusting & jealous failures in a disgraceful attempt to influence the 2020 Election!"

Around 1,800 US Marines died in the battle at Belleau Wood, holding off a German advance toward Paris in 1918.

According to the Atlantic, Trump asked aides on his trip to France, "Who were the good guys in this war?" and could not understand why the United States had come to the aid of the Allies.

Joe Biden, Trump's rival in the November 3 election, said in a statement that if the article's allegations are true, "then they are yet another marker of how deeply President Trump and I disagree about the role of the President of the United States."

"If I have the honor of serving as the next commander in chief, I will ensure that our American heroes know that I will have their back and honor their sacrifice -- always," Biden said.
 
amazing how people are fooled by articles with sources that are

always unnamed

did they not learn their lesson from the russian sub source?

hey writes an article based on "4 senior staff members"

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ok

then who are they???

isnt it important to understand where the information is sources before you swear by it?
 
That family was prostituting the memory of their child at the behest of the Democrats. But like the unborn, their child could not speak. I remember that at the time I found it sad that they dishonored their child and themselves in that manner.

It may be emotionally satisfying, but understand that a vote for anyone but Trump paves the way for the Democrats to continue their march toward socialism and for you to fall further into servitude to the political elite.. There is no middle ground here.

Which of Biden's policies do you think are socialism?
 
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