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Which of Biden's policies do you think are socialism?

HEALTHCARE____

Although he JOE BIDEN wants to ensure health care is a right for all

and not a privilege, he does not support Medicare for All and eliminating private insurance because it would mean getting rid of the hard-won Obamacare and starting over on political negotiations. He also argued during the September 12 debate

that Medicare for All would cost more than $30 trillion over 10 years.


Biden says his health care proposal will expand Obamacare so that 97% of Americans are insured and cost $750 billion over 10 years. He wants to introduce a public health insurance option like

Medicare that will be available premium-free to individuals in states that haven't expanded Medicaid and people making below 138% of the federal poverty level.


He wants to also eliminate the 400% of federal poverty level income cap for tax credit eligibility and lower employees' maximum contribution for coverage to 8.5%.

In addition to this, he promises

to bar health care providers from “surprise billing” patients with out-of-network rates,

address market concentration in the industry,

allow Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug manufacturers,

establish an independent review board that will recommend a reasonable price for drugs with no competition,

penalize drug price increases over the inflation rate,

end tax deduction for all prescription drug ads,

support the development of generics

and

restore federal funding for Planned Parenthood.


On April 9, Biden announced he will fight for lowering the Medicare eligibility age to 60 from 65. "It reflects the reality that, even after the current crisis ends, older Americans are likely to find it difficult to secure jobs," he said in a Medium post discussing the soaring unemployment caused by COVID-19 and measures needed to help those affected.

The additional cost he said will be "financed out of general revenues to protect the Medicare Trust Fund."
 
amazing how people are fooled by articles with sources that are

always unnamed

did they not learn their lesson from the russian sub source?

hey writes an article based on "4 senior staff members"

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ok

then who are they???

isnt it important to understand where the information is sources before you swear by it?

It seems like you may not know how journalism works.
 
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HEALTHCARE____

Although he JOE BIDEN wants to ensure health care is a right for all

and not a privilege, he does not support Medicare for All and eliminating private insurance because it would mean getting rid of the hard-won Obamacare and starting over on political negotiations. He also argued during the September 12 debate

that Medicare for All would cost more than $30 trillion over 10 years.


Biden says his health care proposal will expand Obamacare so that 97% of Americans are insured and cost $750 billion over 10 years. He wants to introduce a public health insurance option like

Medicare that will be available premium-free to individuals in states that haven't expanded Medicaid and people making below 138% of the federal poverty level.


He wants to also eliminate the 400% of federal poverty level income cap for tax credit eligibility and lower employees' maximum contribution for coverage to 8.5%.

In addition to this, he promises

to bar health care providers from “surprise billing” patients with out-of-network rates,

address market concentration in the industry,

allow Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug manufacturers,

establish an independent review board that will recommend a reasonable price for drugs with no competition,

penalize drug price increases over the inflation rate,

end tax deduction for all prescription drug ads,

support the development of generics

and

restore federal funding for Planned Parenthood.


On April 9, Biden announced he will fight for lowering the Medicare eligibility age to 60 from 65. "It reflects the reality that, even after the current crisis ends, older Americans are likely to find it difficult to secure jobs," he said in a Medium post discussing the soaring unemployment caused by COVID-19 and measures needed to help those affected.

The additional cost he said will be "financed out of general revenues to protect the Medicare Trust Fund."

Biden is against medicare for all. Biden's health care plan is not much different than what Trump has talked about, although Trump has still not presented a plan (he keeps saying we will get it in two weeks ironically). I will give you the expanding medicare to poors, that is somewhat socialist. I'll take it if it means that why wife - who has a preexisting condition - can still get coverage.

funding planned parenthood is not socialist.

lowering the medicare eligibility age is not socialist. Those people paid for that for 40 years, why not give it to them.
 
Biden is against medicare for all. Biden's health care plan is not much different than what Trump has talked about, although Trump has still not presented a plan (he keeps saying we will get it in two weeks ironically). I will give you the expanding medicare to poors, that is somewhat socialist. I'll take it if it means that why wife - who has a preexisting condition - can still get coverage.

funding planned parenthood is not socialist.

lowering the medicare eligibility age is not socialist. Those people paid for that for 40 years, why not give it to them.


"Biden's health care plan is not much different than what Trump"

Taxes

Biden wants a pro-growth, progressive tax code.

His plan is expected to raise nearly $4 trillion in additional revenue over a decade.

According to the Tax Policy Center, "The highest-income 20% of households (who will make about $170,000 or more) would bear nearly 93% of the burden of Biden’s proposed tax increase, and the top 1% nearly three-quarters." Here's a list of changes he wants to make:


  • Raise the top income tax rate back to 39.6% from 37%
  • Tax capital gains and dividends at ordinary rates for those with annual incomes over $1 million
  • Tax unrealized capital gains at death
  • Applying Social Security payroll tax for those earning over $400,000 a year
  • Close stepped-up basis loophole
  • Raise top corporate income tax rate to 28% from 21%
  • Impose 15% minimum tax on book income of large companies (at least $100 million annual net income)
  • Tax profits earned from foreign subsidiaries of U.S. firms 21%
 
"Biden's health care plan is not much different than what Trump"

Taxes

Biden wants a pro-growth, progressive tax code.

His plan is expected to raise nearly $4 trillion in additional revenue over a decade.

According to the Tax Policy Center, "The highest-income 20% of households (who will make about $170,000 or more) would bear nearly 93% of the burden of Biden’s proposed tax increase, and the top 1% nearly three-quarters." Here's a list of changes he wants to make:


  • Raise the top income tax rate back to 39.6% from 37%
  • Tax capital gains and dividends at ordinary rates for those with annual incomes over $1 million
  • Tax unrealized capital gains at death
  • Applying Social Security payroll tax for those earning over $400,000 a year
  • Close stepped-up basis loophole
  • Raise top corporate income tax rate to 28% from 21%
  • Impose 15% minimum tax on book income of large companies (at least $100 million annual net income)
  • Tax profits earned from foreign subsidiaries of U.S. firms 21%

Was Reagan socialist?

 
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That's my point, you just made it for me. Republicans have bastardized the term socialist. Saying Biden is socialist because he wants the rich and corporations to pay their fair share is dumb. Reagan said the same thing.

You guys went on and on about how Bernie was a socialist and he was going to be the nominee. Then Biden won, and predictably, you just started calling him a socialist. Sad!
 
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That's my point, you just made it for me. Republicans have bastardized the term socialist. Saying Biden is socialist because he wants the rich and corporations to pay their fair share is dumb. Reagan said the same thing.

You guys went on and on about how Bernie was a socialist and he was going to be the nominee. Then Biden won, and predictably, you just started calling him a socialist. Sad!
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Trump shitting on John McCain and James Mattis makes anything possible.
 
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Which of Biden's policies do you think are socialism?

Sorry getting to this late. Healthcare is the obvious one.

However, my belief is that Biden is an empty suit. The establishment figurehead of a party whose real drivers are socialistic and anti-american. My belief is that a vote for Biden is a vote for ATIFA's demands, and all the crazy shit that Bernie thinks up.and god only knows who else has power over him given his 4+ decades of politics and corruption as evidenced by his Ukraine quid pro quo on behalf of his drug addict son.
 
Guys... it doesn't even matter if it's true or not. Is there a SINGLE person on here that would stop supporting Trump if it were true? I doubt it. So why bother talking about it. As Trump himself said he could go out into the street and shoot someone down and not lose a single vote. The Republican Party should just change it's name to the Trumpians and stop pretending.. Anything Trump says or does is FINE. The "law and order" President spent yesterday encouraging people in NC to vote twice. Any Trump supporter on here got a problem with that? I didn't think so... The AG of the US was asked if that were OK. He refused to even admit that voting twice was a crime... Any Trump supporter got a problem with that? I didn't think so.

I've made no secret that I despise Trump... I don't really have a huge problem with his policies.. Sure they are a bit conservative for me, but they aren't terrible either. It's the fact that this guy has no sense of right or wrong... truth or lies. And that he's out there representing our country to us and to the world. We are a laughing stock right now. China and Russia are running amuck b/c they don't respect us... Our allies in NATO don't trust us. I don't love Biden... but damn man... I'd LOVE to wake up in the morning and NOT worry about what our President is going to do or say today.

It's about policies and actions only. I personally love it when Trump pounds the left verbally and on Twitter. The ones that do not like his personality need to look at his actions and results. Trump has put up incredibly good results in spite of what's been put in his way. He has kept his promises.
 
Sheeple. Look it up bc you are one of them. President Trump has done more for for the military than most if not all presidents. Next week, you and the desperate left will be quoting some other garbage. It’s only going to get worse as the desperation mounts. Also, for the McCain fans, the criticism was deserved. I’m thankful for Senator McCain’s service. His policy and actions as a Senator were questionable at best.
 
Sheeple. Look it up bc you are one of them. President Trump has done more for for the military than most if not all presidents. Next week, you and the desperate left will be quoting some other garbage. It’s only going to get worse as the desperation mounts. Also, for the McCain fans, the criticism was deserved. I’m thankful for Senator McCain’s service. His policy and actions as a Senator were questionable at best.


it never stops

they are obsessed with donald j trump

he has bought real estate in their little minds
 
It's also so weird how pro trumpers can spin stuff
 
It's about policies and actions only. I personally love it when Trump pounds the left verbally and on Twitter. The ones that do not like his personality need to look at his actions and results. Trump has put up incredibly good results in spite of what's been put in his way. He has kept his promises.

EXACTLY. I can actually respect (if not agree with this). He can do and say ANYTHING he wants, and as long as he works in a way you agree with that's all that matters. My problem is that the things he says and does HURT this country. It divides us instead of bringing us together. In this pandemic, it gets more people killed than have to die. But it puts more money in a select group of people's pockets on a daily basis (including mine). I do NOT think that the ends justify the means and I think that's the bottom line.
 
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Sheeple. Look it up bc you are one of them. President Trump has done more for for the military than most if not all presidents. Next week, you and the desperate left will be quoting some other garbage. It’s only going to get worse as the desperation mounts. Also, for the McCain fans, the criticism was deserved. I’m thankful for Senator McCain’s service. His policy and actions as a Senator were questionable at best.

Like the Vet Choice Program? Trump has claimed over 150 times that HE got that put into law. But that's simply not true ... that bill was signed into law in 2014 and was put together by John McCain. He also claimed he never called John McCain a loser. BUT here's the quote from Iowa in 2015... Refering to the 2008 election and John McCain. "I never liked him as much after that, because I don't like losers." Direct quote, proving yet another Trump lie.

But the thing is... He tells you this stuff and you believe it. No matter what. Tomorrow when Trump tells you that he got the Vet Choice Program passed. You'll absolutely believe that. Because that's what his followers do.
 
EXACTLY. I can actually respect (if not agree with this). He can do and say ANYTHING he wants, and as long as he works in a way you agree with that's all that matters. My problem is that the things he says and does HURT this country. It divides us instead of bringing us together. In this pandemic, it gets more people killed than have to die. But it puts more money in a select group of people's pockets on a daily basis (including mine). I do NOT think that the ends justify the means and I think that's the bottom line.

I do not agree that can do anything he wants. He would be held accountable if he did not keep his word and governed in a contrary way. The man has governed as he campaigned. I also strongly disagree that President Trump is dividing the country. He is standing up and speaking for millions of people that agree with him and that is his right and his duty. If he doesnt stand, the left would be running free to continue pushing us to socialism. Lord knows the majority of spineless republicans wouldnt stop it.
 
I do not agree that can do anything he wants. He would be held accountable if he did not keep his word and governed in a contrary way. The man has governed as he campaigned. I also strongly disagree that President Trump is dividing the country. He is standing up and speaking for millions of people that agree with him and that is his right and his duty. If he doesnt stand, the left would be running free to continue pushing us to socialism. Lord knows the majority of spineless republicans wouldnt stop it.

I disagree with this for sure. He can do and say ANYTHING and you'll be here defending every bit of it. He could go out on the street and kill someone and the folks on here would be saying how that person had it coming. Hell, he encouraged people to vote twice just the other day.. that's against the law. When's the last time a President encouraged people to actually break the law? It's his job to ENFORCE the law. Crickets from the Republicans... Hell, his other personal lawyer Baar wouldn't even say it was illegal to vote twice... he just kept saying he didn't know the law in all 50 states. As I've said on here several times one of Trump's most egregious acts was declaring a national emergency over immigration and taking money from the DoD for the wall.

I just wonder what you will say about that if Biden wins the election and declares a national emergency over health care and uses DoD money to fund Obama Care. Bet it won't be crickets... And you'll be 100% right to be upset. If a Dem had done HALF the things Trump has done in the last 3.5 years, the folks on here would be going nuts. And they would be right to...

ANYTHING Donald Trump does and says is just fine with every Republican right now. The party I used to belong to didn't even bother to put together a platform to run on this time around ... they are just going to support Trump's policies. That makes my point as well as anything... Republicans stand for whatever Trump says they stand for...
 
Sorry getting to this late. Healthcare is the obvious one.

However, my belief is that Biden is an empty suit. The establishment figurehead of a party whose real drivers are socialistic and anti-american. My belief is that a vote for Biden is a vote for ATIFA's demands, and all the crazy shit that Bernie thinks up.and god only knows who else has power over him given his 4+ decades of politics and corruption as evidenced by his Ukraine quid pro quo on behalf of his drug addict son.

Like I pointed out to another poster, the healthcare plan that Trump has described sounds awfully similar to what Biden has proposed. of course Trump punted health care to after the election. Probably because he knows it will be hard to call Biden a socialist if he proposes similar solutions. Also, the ACA is immensely popular. I know I love it b/c my wife has a preexisting condition.

The argument that Biden is a suit being controlled by radicals is just fear mongering. The democratic primary voters flatly rejected Sanders and the other progressives in favor of Biden, so it makes no sense that Biden would now abandon his base in favor of radicals. Plus, I assure you that the money in the party does not come from 20 year old progressives, it comes from moderates like myself and others. We are the ones donating big money to Biden. I encourage you to read the Biden / Bernie Unity Task Force recommendations, you will see it isnt all that radical. You can compare it to Trump's republican RNC platform.... just kidding, they didnt bother to issue one this year.
 
Like I pointed out to another poster, the healthcare plan that Trump has described sounds awfully similar to what Biden has proposed. of course Trump punted health care to after the election. Probably because he knows it will be hard to call Biden a socialist if he proposes similar solutions. Also, the ACA is immensely popular. I know I love it b/c my wife has a preexisting condition.

The argument that Biden is a suit being controlled by radicals is just fear mongering. The democratic primary voters flatly rejected Sanders and the other progressives in favor of Biden, so it makes no sense that Biden would now abandon his base in favor of radicals. Plus, I assure you that the money in the party does not come from 20 year old progressives, it comes from moderates like myself and others. We are the ones donating big money to Biden. I encourage you to read the Biden / Bernie Unity Task Force recommendations, you will see it isnt all that radical. You can compare it to Trump's republican RNC platform.... just kidding, they didnt bother to issue one this year.

A measured response that I appreciate and hopefully will reciprocate.

In no particular order. Re: Trump's platform. I'm good with it as it is. I don't need a new one. Democrats who you support did everything up to and including, in my opinion, treason, to oppose Trump. It started before the election just as the coronation of Obama (to include the Nobel Peace Prize) started before he did a damn thing. So Trump has not yet had a chance to accomplish all what he set out to do, although he has done a lot, He needs to keep going on his previous agenda. No new agenda required.

Fear mongering? Wow. Coming from a democrat? The same party that call trump a "russian agent" or someone who is trying to usurp the constitution and become a "dictator" ... while at the same time complaining that he doesn't somehow order state governors to do things re: COVID?

IMHO, you are being naive. Biden is a career politician. He will say whatever he needs to say to get your vote and your money. I think most rational people can tell that his mental faculties are slipping and he is being heavily managed and scripted and rehearsed. But I have to give it to him and his handlers, because as lost as he sounds, or as racist as he sounds (you're not black if you don't vote for me), or as creepy as he sounds and looks, his handlers can still get him to perform so that young people and the emotional will believe that Trump is responsible for the democrat backed rioting and follow him and donate. Some with big money.

Ok I wanted to do at least a cursory effort to look at the "unity" task force recommendations... and the first link that I clicked on pulled up a document with the title,

"COMBATING THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND PURSUING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE"

That sounds a lot to me like, "Strategy to grow government bigger, regulate and tax small businesses more, and cause more unemployment in America"

"environmental justice" lol. I can't keep track of all the Democrat justices.

Biden?.. He is irrelevant. Senile. A figurehead. AOC, " The Squad"., Bernie, BLM, ANTIFA Anarchists, Hypocritical Pelosi et al. Rioting and Anarchy in our cities. That is who each vote for Biden is for.
 
Yep... Exactly what I said above. Hell, a Foxnews reporter confirmed some of this report. Again I ask you... IF Trump said this stuff, would anyone change their vote? I haven't seen a single yes. Think about that for a moment. A sitting President calls our military vets and KIAs "losers and suckers".and refused to go to a memorial b/c he might get his hair wet. And the folks on this board don't even blink. That Republicans would allow a member of their party to do this is baffling to me. I could see it out of some of the crazy left, I don't expect any better from them.. but the Republican party I used to belong to is as dead as Abraham Lincoln.
 
Yep... Exactly what I said above. Hell, a Foxnews reporter confirmed some of this report. Again I ask you... IF Trump said this stuff, would anyone change their vote? I haven't seen a single yes. Think about that for a moment. A sitting President calls our military vets and KIAs "losers and suckers".and refused to go to a memorial b/c he might get his hair wet. And the folks on this board don't even blink. That Republicans would allow a member of their party to do this is baffling to me. I could see it out of some of the crazy left, I don't expect any better from them.. but the Republican party I used to belong to is as dead as Abraham Lincoln.


its fake news

not as fake as the russian thing

or the anti jewish thing

or the anti sexist thing

or the racist thing

or the xenophobia

or the ....

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its fake news

not as fake as the russian thing

or the anti jewish thing

or the anti sexist thing

or the racist thing

or the xenophobia

or the ....

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Still haven't heard anyone answer the question... What if General Kelly and General Mathis stepped forward and said that "Yes, Trump said those things." Is there ANYONE here that would stop supporting him? MY WHOLE POINT in this thread is to point out that even if Trump said our Vets and KIAs are suckers and losers, there's no one on here that would stop supporting him, so why even bother discussing it. And that's true of the entire Republican party.
 
its fake news

not as fake as the russian thing

or the anti jewish thing

or the anti sexist thing

or the racist thing

or the xenophobia

or the ....

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Trump owns you. Everything that happens that doesn’t fit the narrative is fake. Read 1984 I have a feeling it’s right up your alley. Talking about picking people up off the streets and controlling the news. Awesome.
 
Still haven't heard anyone answer the question... What if General Kelly and General Mathis stepped forward and said that "Yes, Trump said those things." Is there ANYONE here that would stop supporting him? MY WHOLE POINT in this thread is to point out that even if Trump said our Vets and KIAs are suckers and losers, there's no one on here that would stop supporting him, so why even bother discussing it. And that's true of the entire Republican party.

still havent heard any named sources

anytime cnn msnbc nbc cbs abc and yes even fox make a claim with un named sources

have you not learned its usually a lie?
 
John McCain was among the most corrupt and dishonest politicians to ever serve in the US Senate. I refused to vote for him when he ran against Obama. I sat that one out. His funeral demonstrated just how deep he swam in the swamp. He gained power not because he was a hero, but because he understood how to use (or abuse) his status as a wounded POW.
He was a puppet of the NWO. Corrupt beyond belief and another politician who never left due to mainly ignorant voters and the fact there should be term limits as there are for a president. At one point in his life he was a patriot and pow. Then he became the perfect example of what DC does to those who decide they would prefer to live there instead of serve their country. Like Biden, he spent all those years in DC and accomplished absolutely nothing positive. Only more corruption.
 
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Yep... Exactly what I said above. Hell, a Foxnews reporter confirmed some of this report. Again I ask you... IF Trump said this stuff, would anyone change their vote? I haven't seen a single yes. Think about that for a moment. A sitting President calls our military vets and KIAs "losers and suckers".and refused to go to a memorial b/c he might get his hair wet. And the folks on this board don't even blink. That Republicans would allow a member of their party to do this is baffling to me. I could see it out of some of the crazy left, I don't expect any better from them.. but the Republican party I used to belong to is as dead as Abraham Lincoln.

This should be considered more of an indictment of who is running against Trump than anything else. People feel like they don't have another decent option.

Trump was the worst candidate imaginable in 2016. Should have been a layup for the Democrats. But they somehow whiffed.

Hell - I don't feel like people have another decent option and I'm no Trump lover. Biden might would be okay but I feel more and more confident that the plan is for Biden to step down within two years and hand the office over to Harris.

But that said - John Bolton (who has as much reason to hate Trump as anyone) is saying the specific incident never happened:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france
 
This should be considered more of an indictment of who is running against Trump than anything else. People feel like they don't have another decent option.

Trump was the worst candidate imaginable in 2016. Should have been a layup for the Democrats. But they somehow whiffed.

Hell - I don't feel like people have another decent option and I'm no Trump lover. Biden might would be okay but I feel more and more confident that the plan is for Biden to step down within two years and hand the office over to Harris.

But that said - John Bolton (who has as much reason to hate Trump as anyone) is saying the specific incident never happened:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france

did you hear about the story of the secret service agent who went after biden for for grabbing his wifes breast?

apparently the agent got fired

would love to know if that story is real
 
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