He does not need to go see a doctor. He needs to go to the emergency room so he can get checked out quickly
Any thoughts on how to convince a sick COVID anti-vaxxer to get seen by a non-antivaxx doctor?
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In all seriousness I can’t imagine my boss coming on a Clemson football website asking for management advice although these threads sometimes provide good advice
I can tell you my buddies boss, also in the healthcare world, has been supportive, sent his family groceries, and told him he was there to support anyway.
Luckily for my buddy I had a concentrator, we had access to 2 medical directors to consult on prescriptions to get him through weekend and today’s infusion. It was a team effort but so far so good although he still feels like hell and says it’s trying to take him out
And pretty sure he has been vaccinated because of his work. I’m almost positive he had “the sticker” on his name badge at last show we attended together that allowed him to bypass daily COVID check point with questions and temps
All in all, I suggest be supportive, speak with the wife and gauge his mental state and work through her. If he’s sick, he’s probably irritable. I spent Friday texting with him but talking with his wife as we figured it out. The wife is probably scared and could likely use support more so that threats or worry of her husband losing his job if he doesn’t get the help his boss with no medical background thinks he needs.
But I do agree he needs more/better care than he’s getting and likely should be in hospital. The worse part is the dehydration that could cause kidneys to shut down
I can tell you my buddies boss, also in the healthcare world, has been supportive, sent his family groceries, and told him he was there to support anyway.
Luckily for my buddy I had a concentrator, we had access to 2 medical directors to consult on prescriptions to get him through weekend and today’s infusion. It was a team effort but so far so good although he still feels like hell and says it’s trying to take him out
And pretty sure he has been vaccinated because of his work. I’m almost positive he had “the sticker” on his name badge at last show we attended together that allowed him to bypass daily COVID check point with questions and temps
All in all, I suggest be supportive, speak with the wife and gauge his mental state and work through her. If he’s sick, he’s probably irritable. I spent Friday texting with him but talking with his wife as we figured it out. The wife is probably scared and could likely use support more so that threats or worry of her husband losing his job if he doesn’t get the help his boss with no medical background thinks he needs.
But I do agree he needs more/better care than he’s getting and likely should be in hospital. The worse part is the dehydration that could cause kidneys to shut down
I'm curious...probably too nosy....what good would talking to the wife do? If she's like most women I've had in my life, she's been crying, screams and doing everything in her power to reach her husband. JMO, but you should have his wife have him declared temporary insanity/stupidity and have his ass ambulanced to the hospital for treatment. That's exactly what my wife would do.
He made his choice, now he can live (or die) with it. Feel bad for his daughters but at the same time, if one of them was this sick would he take them to the hospital? He might just let them wither away and die as well.
This is survival of the fittest happening in real time.
This is survival of the fittest happening in real time.
Were you not around when this board saved a man's life? He was going to commit suicide, people on here tracked him down and sent emergency services his way and they stopped him in time. This board has tons of people from different walks of life and is a microcosm of society. For instance, there's tons of people that subscribe to my employee's mindset. It's hard to wrap my head around his way of thinking. But because a ton of people here think like him, I was hoping they could give me a glimpse into a lever that could help convince him to seek medical treatment. Look at the responses from actual doctors in this thread, it's giving me information to relay to him.
I reached out to his wife to express my concerns and offered to help in any way I can. I don't know if she's antivaxx too, so we'll see what she says.
Wow what a coincidence when considering your extensive posting history regarding Covid, the vaccine, vaccine mandates, anti-vaxxers, etc...
If you can, please elaborate on your last sentence about the antibodies causing an increased risk for other variants? I haven't heard this before.
That wasn’t a knock on you…I said there is always some good advice but often times these threads go sideways…hopefully you get answers that help. I wasn’t trying to be a dick
If I was I wouldn’t have shared the experience I just dealt with last week with a friend who was in a similar spot
If his friend is a doctor, he’s probably fine. However, I would hope the doctor isn’t actually “anti-vaxx” and is just the type who will try anything to treat it. If he’s anti-vaxx, he’s going to have some trouble not getting his license disciplined.
I don’t know how you can get him to see someone else. Maybe just say that getting a second opinion might allow him to “throw the kitchen sink” at COVID, “like Joe Rohan did.” Also- you hope it doesn’t come to this- but if he has to be hospitalized, he’ll be seeing a more orthodox doctor.
I don’t know how you can get him to see someone else. Maybe just say that getting a second opinion might allow him to “throw the kitchen sink” at COVID, “like Joe Rohan did.” Also- you hope it doesn’t come to this- but if he has to be hospitalized, he’ll be seeing a more orthodox doctor.
Why do I feel like this is a troll thread?
1. Pretty sure he has been vaccinated
2. I’ve never been anti-vax. Have helped lots of people get theirs when they wanted it and it wasn’t yet readily available
3. I don’t like vaccine mandates. Should be a persons choice whether or not to get it
4. No need to rehash…I’ve never said Covid was a hoax or not real. Just said that it’s time to move on, stop testing people without symptoms, and get back to a normal country
5. Like “most” (not all) people who have a struggle with Covid he had underlying lung
issues prior
Interesting thought process... how far do you take it? If he gets in his car drunk, do you say "He made his choice" or do you try to stop him from driving?
If he is married to your sister, do you feel more of a connection and try to get him to go to the hospital or do you just plan on helping your sister care for the kids going forward? Or do you just say, tough break for the kids I hope they do OK?
I am not at all being critical, because I can logically agree with your reply on some levels. However, something in me would cause me to call 911 and send an ambulance. Again, not being critical, I just find it interesting where people draw the line.
With all due respect, your post is the poster child for the stupidity necessary to believe in conspiracy theories. I could easily post his texts from the past week including the one where he felt like he was dying but I won't honor this type of stupidity. Yes, I have posted that I believe in accountability and that people should own their choices. But the reality is that there's the lives of two little kids at stake. So, I'm trying to step in on their behalf, regardless of my views.
The covid mocking doctor friend of his is an idiot. His medical credentials should be in question not because of his antivax stance, but because of his stupidity in treatments.
I know several doctors who are not exactly pro vaccine and they all would have that dude admitted at least for outpatient monoclonal antibodies and vitamin/remdesivir cocktails. Even the most staunchly opposed doctors are still keenly aware of treatments and severity of cases.
I know several doctors who are not exactly pro vaccine and they all would have that dude admitted at least for outpatient monoclonal antibodies and vitamin/remdesivir cocktails. Even the most staunchly opposed doctors are still keenly aware of treatments and severity of cases.
He could deny care and no get in ambulance…not sure that would work
And also I know my buddy is saying this thing is trying to take me and I don’t know if I’ll make it but a lot of that is somewhat sarcasm because he will also make jokes at times.
So do they really feel like they are dying or is it one of those “I’m dying” like people use when sick or even hungover where they feel like shit but don’t really think they’re dying?
Has he reached back out to the doctor that gave him the treatment he has to say he is getting worse? I can't believe that doctor would not tell him to go to the ER no matter what...
I understand he can deny care... I'm just saying that I am not sure I would draw a line and not try to get him care... I am just commenting on how far a friend would go (like you did).
I dont think Vaccine status should play a role here. He made his choice and rolled the dice. He lost the bet. Now it is time to pay for it by getting the help you need at the hospital.
Not sure how old his daughters are but if he’s in any position to make medical decisions for them their lives may very well be “at stake” if he survives.
It is quite interesting your friend would get help from you, but not the hospital and both of you would use similar tactics. Does your friend think the hospital is out to kill him or something? Very Strange. Kind of you to help him tho
I had no idea of the level of mistrust of medical professionals until this whole pandemic deal. Just figured most people trusted doctors pretty much implicitly.
I'd definitely try and stop the drunk from driving b/c he is mentally impaired AND more importantly he's a danger to others. Failing that, I MIGHT actually call the police.
This is a bit different. The information on what your best practices are is out there for everyone to see. Folks either follow the science or they don't. At least the drunk will be sober tomorrow and might be reasoned with.
There was a local news story just last week with an interview of an elderly woman whose son just died of COVID. They were both anti vaxers. The son got sick, went to the Dr when he couldn't breath. They put him in the hospital and then on a vent for a couple of days before he died. Cause of death COVID. The woman said in the interview that she still thinks COVID is a hoax. I'm not sure what to do with that...
I'd certainly help them if I could (as in calling an ambulance). But there's only so much you can do...
I am not vaccinated and I would tell this person to stop being an idiot and go to the hospital post haste. If his oxygen levels are that low he needs help. Health reality is health reality and part of it is being smart enough to realize you need help. He needs help immediately or he's going to put his life at risk and also risk some significant long term effects. COVID is nasty and not something that's easy to get through.
I think what stands out to me more is the lack of desire to get well... I don't care what I have or what I think I know, if I am getting to the point that I can't breathe and it is getting progressively worse, I will be beating the door to the ER/Hosptial/Dr's Office down until every avenue is exhausted.
Apparently him and the ER doctor got into it, then they wouldnt get him in a normal room, wouldn’t let his wife stay so I woke up to a text that he walked out of hospital and went home
I called and told him he needed oxygen with his stats and he agreed so I had a machine that I got for my grandma so I let him borrow. It wasn’t so much he let me as he knew he needed treatment but once he got IV from hospital and kidney numbers got back normal he felt he could do the rest at home with his connections and his relationships with doctors, nurses, etc that he knows and trusts I guess?
Honestly can’t answer that for him
Quick question. What is it about the monoclonal antibody treatments that require it to be administered early in the sickness? Does it just not work if given later or does it have the potential to be harmful?
Also, another poster mentioned genetics and it’s impact on those who don’t get it, get it with minor symptoms, and those who have more severe symptoms. I’m not a doc, but doesn’t there have to be something to this?
Covid is still real. Had a father and daughter who I know well (my first cousin's father and sister in law) both die within the last 4 weeks. He was 65, she was only 30.
Yeah, I get it. It does blow my mind that we still have people that think it is not even a real virus. Can't do much with that, but at least that guy went to the hospital at some point.
Well, that's why I'm posting on his board, because I'm in state of dissonance. My mind tells me he chose this. My heart tells me his 5 and 3 year olds didn't.
Remember on TWZ how the COVID hoax was going to vanish after the election?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
To the OP - Your desire to help is coming from the right place; however you need to mentally accept that his decision making isn't your responsibility no matter how tragic the outcome. The brainwashing people receive from social media isn't easily undone; I like the "kitchen sink" and the "second opinion" approach but at the end of the day his decision is his own. Unless you want to drag him to the hospital kicking and screaming there is nothing you can do.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
To the OP - Your desire to help is coming from the right place; however you need to mentally accept that his decision making isn't your responsibility no matter how tragic the outcome. The brainwashing people receive from social media isn't easily undone; I like the "kitchen sink" and the "second opinion" approach but at the end of the day his decision is his own. Unless you want to drag him to the hospital kicking and screaming there is nothing you can do.
Yeah that would bring a lot of liability to tell somebody to not seek medical help from anybody else...especially if you needed to go to emergency room.
Yea, this is a pretty interesting part of COVID actually. Without getting to into it, antibody therapies help stop viral replication and neutralize active virus. The disconnect most people struggle with is that viral loads and active virus is actually already declining by the time hospitalization/oxygen is needed in most patients. So antibodies don't have much if anything to work on by that time. Which is why the timelines for administration exist. As for the potential for worsening severe disease, this has been suggested by some studies, yes, if given too late, but I wouldn't say that evidence for that is super clear.
As a word of caution, we all got very excited about covalescent plasma early on, but as more and more research became available, it was eventually deemed ineffective in hospitalized patients. Remdesivir is another cautionary tale. It is clear at this point it is ineffective and may actually worsen outcomes.
The part of COVID causing severe disease is essentially a cytokine cascade/storm or severe inflammatory response NOT active virus, so therapies meant for active virus are unlikely to be effective after the first few days (5 being what most guidelines have decided).
Sorry, forgot part 2 of your question.
There are likely epigenetic factors that matter. We're a long way from finding this out though and being able to predict who is genetically at higher risk for severe disease IMO. This sort of personalized medicine is coming in the future, but I don't think most people realize just how complicated our genetics are, how quickly we've made incredible advancements, but also just how much we still don't know.
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