What about the 40% of obese Americans who eat unhealthy and or don’t exercise?
No doctor for them?
Anyone with kids currently at Clemson? I'm hearing
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What about the 40% of obese Americans who eat unhealthy and or don’t exercise?
No doctor for them?
I fully agree but same for fat people. This pandemic would be much less an issue if selfish fatties weren’t clogging up ICUs. We need to stop letting selfish fatties get medical treatment in America.
You realize African Americans by percentage are less vaccinated than any other race?
Dr Jackson is my personal physician. He’s great! What he is saying is without hype and logical. I know many physicians who feel EXACTLY how he does on the vaccine.How do you feel about Medical Doctors from the state of SC who disagree with certain people taking the Covid vaccine?
I challenge you to listen to this from a Dr. I know.
Why I Don't Recommend the So Called Covid Vaccines
Send us a Text Message.Why is a family doctor of almost 40 years hesitant to recommend the "so called" Covid Vaccines? What does Dr. Jackson mean by "so called"podcasts.apple.com
I googled him and Houston TX showed up. That's why I asked. I enjoyed listening to him.
ICU’s don’t surge because of fat people. You’ve got to think before making cute analogies. I’m not actually suggesting we turn people away at hospitals. I’m making a point about the hypocrisy if crying “freedom!” when those same folks when they are sick are going to run to the hospital and fill it up hurting others chances of access to healthcare who had less preventable issues
People appeal to a Genetic Fallacy, instead of addressing the argumentation. Then, once you challenge it, with someone who does have credentials, they switch to Ad Populum (of Allopathic Medicine). It’s a trap that always goes back to presuppositions.
Oh how I wish we could avoid it and I wish to drive away my own presuppositions. That’s one reason why I do appreciate @ChicagoTiger85 bc at least he’s trying to present/argue data. With him you can at least have a reasonable discussion.
Just curious. Should the infected people flooding across the southern border stay their asses at home as well or should the feds continue taking them to Laredo where 40% have tested positive?
No problem. Pretty common name.
Dr Jackson is a Clemson alum and he went to MUSC. He’s been practicing for 40+ years.
As an aside for some other folks ITT…
Some may disagree with him and that’s okay. But after working in the pharma sector, I know better than most than to just think things are completely altruistic (or even effective) on the vaccine end.
What’s worse is we’ve lost most ability to be objective in our nation and just have a conversation. Disagree? Call them a name and suspend their account. Present facts or legitimate concerns? Why have a discussion about it when you can just call them a phobic of some sort and mandate it anyway.
Outrage culture has ruined intelectual conversation, unfortunately—so I fully expect some incoming name calling of a quality human being.
The fact remains most Americans are over weight and suffering from heart disease. I’ve seen Dr Jackson work miracles in THAT epidemic. But flame on, TI. Never change.
Both people in the hospital now that I know with covid 19 delta were vaccinated. Then they got covid FROM ANOTHER VACCINATED PERSON. So for the many mensa candidates on this board let me make it easier to understand. Vaccines don't cure covid. They don't stop covid transmission. Your booster shot is not going to keep you from getting infected with the NEXT strain of covid-19.
Vaccinated people do offer a potential breeding ground for other more highly resistant covid strains to mutate and further spread the virus so there is that. And love giving hospitals the ability to selectively treat sick patients depending on what the Government decides is a crisis. No way that slides off that slippery slope. And let's not mention all our new covid positive illegal alien citizens walking across our border willy nilly with God only knows what NEW VARIANT THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
But make sure you wear that mask.
Vaccinated people do offer a potential breeding ground for other more highly resistant covid strains to mutate and further spread the virus so there is that. And love giving hospitals the ability to selectively treat sick patients depending on what the Government decides is a crisis. No way that slides off that slippery slope. And let's not mention all our new covid positive illegal alien citizens walking across our border willy nilly with God only knows what NEW VARIANT THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
But make sure you wear that mask.
Obesity is the leading cause of death and it’s preventable….
you have also clearly never looked at the covid data if you don’t see how obesity makes covid hospitalizations and death so much more likely.
It’s 7:28 am est time as I write this and my wife’s shift started 28 minutes ago on her floor. She’s already texted me about how bad it is 😂.
No, not Covid per say but the vaccination talk. Understand she was ALL pro-vax when this started but now her, and her peers, tunes have greatly changed.
From people on the inside of hospitals are beginning to question a lot of what they’ve been told. Just a FYI for some here.
No, not Covid per say but the vaccination talk. Understand she was ALL pro-vax when this started but now her, and her peers, tunes have greatly changed.
From people on the inside of hospitals are beginning to question a lot of what they’ve been told. Just a FYI for some here.
Of course. But to my point, obesity isn’t flooding hospital beds to the point they are overcapacity. That’s all I care about. If you don’t believe there’s a risk you do you. The problem is if your risk taking takes a bed away from someone to the point there aren’t any more. It’s the spike in cases and beds that I’m concerned about. If we have enough capacity. I don’t care if all the unvaccinated folks get it and take a bed. You do you
Most the covid beds are due to obesity… it’s relevant because it’s the root cause with complications.
I live a very healthy lifestyle… long before covid. I love being called selfish because I spend my life focusing on health but won’t take a therapeutic pretending to be a vaccine.
ICU capacity wouldn’t be an issue if people stop eating processed crap. I don’t care if anyone wants to be unhealthy. I have issue with unhealthy losers demand I change my life to keep them safe.
y’all continue to move the goal post.
1. Shelter in place for 2 weeks and everything will be okay. (Ignore there is zero science to support this)
2. if everyone wears mask this will go away. (Ignore the decades of science that shows mask don’t work.)
3. if we just keep things closed a bit longer and all wear mask we can get through this second wave. (Now real world data confirming mask don’t work, but ignore it please)
4. If we can get the vaccine rolling we can go back to normal. Vaccines offer 90+ percent protection. No need for booster shots.
5. If the unvaccinated would get the vaccine we would be out of this pandemic. It’s the unvaccinated fault for infecting the vaccinated.
6. If all the vaccinated and non vaccinated wear mask we can get by this. booster shots aren’t needed.
7. Okay, if everyone gets a 3rd shot, we vaccinate all the unvaccinated, and we all wear mask we can beat this virus.
Will agree with you, if a person:
- smokes
- is over weight
- has certain pre-existing conditions
Then they should be vaccinated. The problem is THIS information is NOT being shared with the public. And that’s a travesty. Asked my wife a little bit ago how many of her patients were overweight. Her reply:
“All of them!!.......,100%!!!!”
The question is, why are people not given all of the information, not why aren’t you taking the shot.
The OP might have something. As of early this morning another one of my daughter's classes has been moved online for several weeks. Maybe it's just random and certain professors are electing to do this. As a friend of mine, who works in the admin of the university said, "certain professors are divas". It does appear that the professors are able to make their classes online even if the university says all classes are in person.
I'm glad you and others have come around to my position on personal responsibility.
Of course, not being vaccinated is relatively minor compared to some of the other willful ways Americans jeopardize their health and burden the US healthcare system. For example, choosing to smoke or choosing a lifestyle that results in obesity are:
- Far dumber
- Far more likely to result in healthcare issues
- Far more likely to result in death
- Far more likely to result in outsized healthcare costs
I'm okay with your logic. But let's start with the more significant willful violators first. I can only imagine how wonderful and inexpensive my healthcare would be if people who make poor health decisions were culled from my risk pool. Waiting rooms would be efficient as well. It would be easy to see who I could jump in line based on your rationale, since hospitals and doctor's office could begin prioritizing people who make healthy lifestyle choices.
Is it not though? Read below:
Overweight and obesity are major risk factors for diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and lung disease. These diseases are the most commonly reported health conditions that predispose individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection to require hospitalization including intensive care unit admissions.
The multifaceted nature of obesity including its effects on immunity can fundamentally alter the pathogenesis of acute respiratory distress syndrome and pneumonia, which are the major causes of death due to SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Much more detail here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41366-020-0640-5
Conclusion: Obesity, general unhealthy behaviors/lifestyles and their resulting Covid comorbidities are more to blame for hospital capacity constraints than the unvaccinated alone. So the target of your ire should not be focused on vaccination status, but rather overall health status among BOTH the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Good luck with your 40 and 50's. We'll see how much dumber you become.
Do you know how many died in Florida in July 2019?
2,000…so even if we assume there are some crossover deaths (I.e. of the nearly 3K that died of COVID there are some that would’ve died regardless) thats still likely nearly double the number of a ‘normal’ July. 50% more at minimum.
How is that dismissed so flippantly? Surely you’d expect others to have some amount of sympathy if a loved one of yours passed.
As a nation, we’ve never stopped mourning those that died on 9/11, an act completely out of our control and tragic. Yet, we minimize deaths that are happening at far greater levels as insignificant…the true irony being, this is something we have the ability to impact and reduce. It’s astonishing, really.
Or not smoking. Or not being obese. Or not being lazy. Or not committing crimes. Or not doing drugs. Or not taking care of your kids. Or generally just being a responsible, self-sufficient adult.
I suppose with your attitude, we could solve many of the country's ills by simply withholding federal resources. I find it interesting that we only want to tie it to vaccination though, when there are categories far more impactful.
Sure of course certain factors make any sickness worse. But I’m not sure why everyone getting the vaccine isn’t better since everyone includes obese people? Like why say, hey it’s because they’re obese that they’re dying not because they’re unvaccinated…but are obese vaccinated people contracting and dying from Covid at the same rate unvaccinated obese people are? The rates of new cases that are vaccinated vs unvaccinated (have seen 80-90% as the most common percentage) would indicate that no, they are not. So my takeaway is, get vaccinated.
Obesity may reduce COVID-19 vaccine efficacy, say researchers
A startling indicates that obesity may reduce the immune response to the current COVID-19 vaccines, along with other factors like age and sex. This could have significant implications for vaccination strategies in obese people.
www.google.com
Well there you go. That, if still applicable, is quite a notch against my POV ITT. Thanks for sharingObesity may reduce COVID-19 vaccine efficacy, say researchers
A startling indicates that obesity may reduce the immune response to the current COVID-19 vaccines, along with other factors like age and sex. This could have significant implications for vaccination strategies in obese people.
CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese
An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said.
CDC: Overweight And Obese Americans Make Up Vast Majority Of Coronavirus Hospitalizations
Almost 80% of hospitalized coronavirus patients in the study had a BMI higher than 25, according to the CDC.
www.forbes.com
People with Certain Medical Conditions
What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.
www.cdc.gov
Most COVID-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions
A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure.
Hint: All 4 conditions above are usually a result of poor lifestyle choices / obesity.
Let’s do it. As soon as hospitals are so overcrowded because of obese people that they have to set up tents in the parking lot, let’s absolutely start prioritizing patients.
We should also de-prioritize people injured in car accidents who weren’t wearing their seatbelts and gun owners who accidentally get shot with their own guns.
Well they already are - see all of the articles referenced ITT that the vast majority of hospitalizations are overweight and obese.
Can we also please remove them from my risk pool also so my insurance premiums drop dramatically? Now that we're all about equity and paying your fair share, I assume you support an individual paying their equitable fair share of healthcare costs based on controllable health factors like this.
If we could fix the majority of those co-morbidities with a two shot regimen, only then would that analogy truly apply.
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