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At work today...no vax...no job. Lots of security at employees entrance to facility.

Im in the middle of it. Happy in some way that a firm decision was made. Had mine months ago. Its a major Pharmaceutical Company so i see the reason why. But...hate when we loose good people...and we did.

I get it. As a business owner if an unvaccinated person could cause my business harm/ personal financial hardship I understand.

I would simply say I can't afford to shut down/fall behind again due to someone getting sick and being out for weeks therefore I need you to be vaccinated so we can all have a job
 
Let’s purge them completely from society! Off to the gulag!
Not sure if you are serious or not...

But if a person goes deep enough into the research of Marxism/Communism - Bolshevik Revolution in Russia...
The People...
The Ideology...
The Religion...
The Goals and Blueprint they used...
They are the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that we are dealing with today.

I believe it is also the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that the Bible, in the Book of Revelation, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and others, lay out for us in describing 'the end times' and in particular 'Babylon'.

Just some thoughts.

Revelation 18:23 …for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Merchants - The Great Men of the Earth = Greek Word: Megistânes
Biblical Meaning: The Elite, The Ruling Class Elite, Kings, Presidents, High Officials, Social Elites, Religious Elites

Sorcery - were all nations deceived = Greek Word: Pharmakeia
It is where we get the word Pharmacy, Pharmaceutical
Biblical Meaning: Altering of the Mind, poisoning of the mind, through administering of drugs, potions, in order to use deception and seduction to seduce people into idolatry both figuratively and literally - which the Bible also calls Magic, Magical Arts, Witchcraft.

Like I said, just some thoughts.
 
I think you are wrong, I think there will be a lot of health workers not getting the shot and quitting. making someone take the shot is just another step in taking what little freedom you have left. This administration is doing their best to take all of our freedom. This once Great Country is turning the other cheek with this moron in office. just my thoughts. thanks

I do think it should be a choice for sure, but if you work in healthcare you are basically going to get the vaccine and continue in healthcare or you won’t, and will be out of that field. It’s that simple.
 
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With Pfizer getting full FDA clearance it really removes the last reasonable medical objection. Moderna approval should happen within 30 days according to pharmacy ppl I know.
I expect a slew of employers and blue state governments to adopt require vaX soon.
Desantis and Abott are on wrong side of history.

I would encourage you to read the two papers the fda put out on Monday. At this moment their isn’t a clot shot you can get that carries the fda approval.

It’s important to actually read those two pages to understand the deception of that agency.
The only FDA Approved shot is Pfizer “Comirnaty”. If the Label/Packaging Insert do not say that, it is NOT FDA Approved.
 
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Not sure if you are serious or not...

But if a person goes deep enough into the research of Marxism/Communism - Bolshevik Revolution in Russia...
The People...
The Ideology...
The Religion...
The Goals and Blueprint they used...
They are the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that we are dealing with today.

I believe it is also the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that the Bible, in the Book of Revelation, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and others, lay out for us in describing 'the end times' and in particular 'Babylon'.

Just some thoughts.

Revelation 18:23 …for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Merchants - The Great Men of the Earth = Greek Word: Megistânes
Biblical Meaning: The Elite, The Ruling Class Elite, Kings, Presidents, High Officials, Social Elites, Religious Elites

Sorcery - were all nations deceived = Greek Word: Pharmakeia
It is where we get the word Pharmacy, Pharmaceutical
Biblical Meaning: Altering of the Mind, poisoning of the mind, through administering of drugs, potions, in order to use deception and seduction to seduce people into idolatry both figuratively and literally - which the Bible also calls Magic, Magical Arts, Witchcraft.

Like I said, just some thoughts.
Movie recommendation for you :)
 
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Comirnaty IS the Pfizer shot. Meds have to have names
The Non-Comirnaty is NOT FDA Approved, though it’s the same substance.

They are “legally distinct” shots, for a reason.

If they just started slapping the Label on every Pfizer shot then it would be irrelevant. That’s not what they are doing.
 
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So just curious from the liberal side. Since there is a higher proportion of minorities not vaccinated than whites, is this not a racist issue. Or is this the liberal sides companies effort to force more minorities to get vaccinated?

Seems that these types of mandates will unfairly impact minorities.
Or the fact that in NY you have to show proof of vaxx AND a valid ID. That is pure and simple racism!
 
I am actually in favor of letting people choose. I don’t want government mandates.

But I don’t want my taxes or health insurance premiums to go up because of antivaxxers taking deliberate risks. They should pay for they hospital stay because it was a conscious decision.

Antivaxxers getting COVID at this point should be de prioritized from an ICU standpoint. Incredible that people are dying because hospital resources are clogged up by antivaxxers. Get to the back of the line or die at home with the peace of mind you lived your values and beliefs until the very end.

I also want symmetry and fairness, if you want your right to choose to be respected, you should accept that others, including your company, also have the right to choose. So, no complaining if your company disagrees with the risk profile of letting antivaxxers at work. In short, go find a job for a like minded employer instead of imposing your stance on the rest of society.

In short, totally on board with people making choices. They just need to own them.
What a dumb dumb short sided post.

My insurance premiums have gone up over the years due to the amount of people throwing down coca cola, chicken fingers, and cheesecake... But they're good.

People without the covid vaccine tho...despite how healthy you may be...nope, you get less care, for more expensive...got it.

GTFO
 
Why do we trust doctors with therapies like monoclonal antibody treatments, Regeneron, and their decisions to intubate?

Covid has only been around for less than 2 years, so why do we trust them with these experimental treatments that haven't been proven?
 
The Non-Comirnaty is NOT FDA Approved, though it’s the same substance.

They are “legally distinct” shots, for a reason.

If they just started slapping the Label on every Pfizer shot then it would be irrelevant. That’s not what they are doing.
You are correct. To my knowledge, you can’t get the comirnaty shot right now. It hasn’t come to market and they don’t plan to bring it to market.
 
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What a dumb dumb short sided post.

My insurance premiums have gone up over the years due to the amount of people throwing down coca cola, chicken fingers, and cheesecake... But they're good.

People without the covid vaccine tho...despite how healthy you may be...nope, you get less care, for more expensive...got it.

GTFO
And interestingly enough the same people that are significantly more prone to be hospitalized, whether Vaxxed or Unvaxxed, are the same group. Meaning, it would be better for society, under the pretenses mentioned by the poster you were responding to, to limit chicken fingers, cheesecake, etc.
 
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You are correct. To my knowledge, you can’t get the comirnaty shot right now. It hasn’t come to market and they don’t plan to bring it to market.
Absolutely. We don’t know when they’ll bring it to market but you are not covered by an FDA Approved Product unless that product has “Comirnaty” on it.
 
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I had covid-19 last August and I still have antibodies. I am still giving my plasma to help people who contract covid-19. It is my understanding that if you get vaccinated you can no longer give your plasma. If it's true that a person that gets vaccinated can no longer give plasma. Should I just be able to show the fact that I have antibodies which is proving to be better than the vaccine.
Makes sense doesn’t it. I’ve had covid twice. I’m unvaccinated, have the antibodies and fully recovered both times. I donate blood as much as I can as well. Keep up the good work.
 
I always enjoy a historical perspective. In the 1940s after being attacked at Pearl Harbor, millions of Americans mobilized to fight for people they didn’t know in a war that wasn’t theirs. They volunteered to help their fellow man no matter the consequences including death. 407k Americans died fighting an evil force that was killing millions. The greatest generation indeed.

I wonder if our grandparents and great grandparents would have thought twice about getting a vaccine.

lol what a comparison. Getting a vaccine for an illness that has a >99% survival rate is now viewed in the same vein as fighting for one’s country against tyranny and evil?

What times we live in 😁
 
You are like the poor dead fools who followed Jim Jones. Your grandparents got their small pox vaccination. If they could afford it they had their kids vaxxed for childhood diseases. If they served in the military, they got their shots.
I'm afraid that's you...and the government is your Jim Jones. We aren't the ones going along with the propaganda machine. We are choosing what's best for our health and not letting a bunch of fat cat pharmaceutical companies and their bought and paid for politicians decide for us. We're also standing up for the rights of people like you to also have a choice when it comes to your health.

You see, you and others of your ilk are the selfish ones...you want everyone to make the same decision that you've made just because, in your opinion, that's what is best for everyone. We want people to weigh the facts, look at things in a common sense approach and do what they feel is best for themselves and their family which is the very ideals that this country was built on. You know...liberty and freedom. Does that ring a bell?

I'm sorry but your fear or what you think is best for you, doesn't constitute what is best for me and mine. That's just how it is in a free country....maybe you should try China or Russia if you like the thought of people being forced into something they don't feel is right.
 
What a dumb dumb short sided post.

My insurance premiums have gone up over the years due to the amount of people throwing down coca cola, chicken fingers, and cheesecake... But they're good.

People without the covid vaccine tho...despite how healthy you may be...nope, you get less care, for more expensive...got it.

GTFO

Well, the health insurance industry, life insurance industry, and Delta airlines are example of what I'm talking about.

From my prior post:
"Insurance companies in the U.S. are allowed by law to charge up to 50% more for premiums for smokers. So, yes, there is a tax and additional charge for smoking because it costs so much to the healthcare system. Same thing for obesity and life insurance:
Life insurance cost and Obesity

So, it's not like there's no precedent for asking people to contribute more if they are a primary contributor to a cost. Just this past week Delta Airlines opted to not impose a mandate but will instead charge antivaxxers $200 a month extra for health insurance. Delta said the average antivaxxer COVID hospital stay cost $50,000 so they want to raise more money from the antivaxxer pool to offset that.

I never said I was okay with obese people not paying more for insurance premiums. I actually think they should. I'm preaching for ownership of decisions and consequences and that falls right in line. And your best retort is "well I know of one area where people don't pay the consequences of their actions, so you're wrong". How old are you?

> GTFO
Why so angry?

""deprivation of body pleasure throughout life-but particularly during the formative periods of infancy, childhood, and adolescence-is very closely related to the amount of warfare and interpersonal violence.""

Psychology Today: On Sex and Violence
 
With Pfizer getting full FDA clearance it really removes the last reasonable medical objection. Moderna approval should happen within 30 days according to pharmacy ppl I know.
I expect a slew of employers and blue state governments to adopt require vaX soon.
Desantis and Abott are on wrong side of history.
Amazing the timing of that clearance.
 
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I am actually in favor of letting people choose. I don’t want government mandates.

But I don’t want my taxes or health insurance premiums to go up because of antivaxxers taking deliberate risks. They should pay for they hospital stay because it was a conscious decision.

Antivaxxers getting COVID at this point should be de prioritized from an ICU standpoint. Incredible that people are dying because hospital resources are clogged up by antivaxxers. Get to the back of the line or die at home with the peace of mind you lived your values and beliefs until the very end.

I also want symmetry and fairness, if you want your right to choose to be respected, you should accept that others, including your company, also have the right to choose. So, no complaining if your company disagrees with the risk profile of letting antivaxxers at work. In short, go find a job for a like minded employer instead of imposing your stance on the rest of society.

In short, totally on board with people making choices. They just need to own them.
Since I'm now responsible for everyone else's health then, I should be able to walk around restaurants and take certain foods off the table for fat people. I should be allowed to follow fat people around the grocery store and take stuff out of their carts. I should be able to pull people over who I deem as driving unsafe. I think we should force people who don't even like guns to get one, just in case they have to defend their neighbor one day.

See how easy this is. Hospitals have been filled and health care cost raised for everyone due to people making bad choices for eternity, yet the only people you seem to care about are people that don't want to get a vaccine for something they have over a 99% chance of survival for. Glad you're finally on board with public fat shaming now as well.
 
That’s healthcare workers, not hospital employees. Big difference. The hospital system I work for has mandated hospital employees to get the vaccine. Related, partially 3rd party owned branches of the hospital system, such as home health care, do not have this requirement. I think many of the “healthcare workers” not getting vaccinated are non-skilled or paraprofessional, such as LPN, nurse aides/techs, SNF laundry/food/maintenance.
 
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You are correct. To my knowledge, you can’t get the comirnaty shot right now. It hasn’t come to market and they don’t plan to bring it to market.
Other than "Boosters" Nothing new will be released as far as western med treatment. The original vaccines that have not been used are going to expire soon.....so we cant have that... we need new scare and push.

Actual treatments that work will come well after that cash in on all the vax's. Cant stop the push to make profit off the vax and switch to treatment yet....its just too soon.
 
lol what a comparison. Getting a vaccine for an illness that has a >99% survival rate is now viewed in the same vein as fighting for one’s country against tyranny and evil?

What times we live in 😁
It's actually a great comparison.

You know how many Americans died in WWII? 407,316

So, you conveniently hide behind a reassuring number 99% but the 1% of people that died because of COVID is greater than the number of people that died during the war. Please stop the games of downplaying the significance of what we just witnessed. History will look in horror on what just happened.

And for the record look, here's the magnitude of the difference between responses
U.S.A: 328 million people, 37,701,629 cases, 628,492 deaths
New Zealand: 5 million people, 3,017 cases, 26 deaths

So, 65 times the population, 12,496 times the cases, 24,172 times the deaths. That's where the comparison comes into play. People used to willing to die for their country. Now, they'd rather see 600,000 of their fellow Americans die than wear masks or get vaccinated.
 
Not sure if you are serious or not...

But if a person goes deep enough into the research of Marxism/Communism - Bolshevik Revolution in Russia...
The People...
The Ideology...
The Religion...
The Goals and Blueprint they used...
They are the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that we are dealing with today.

I believe it is also the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that the Bible, in the Book of Revelation, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and others, lay out for us in describing 'the end times' and in particular 'Babylon'.

Just some thoughts.

Revelation 18:23 …for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Merchants - The Great Men of the Earth = Greek Word: Megistânes
Biblical Meaning: The Elite, The Ruling Class Elite, Kings, Presidents, High Officials, Social Elites, Religious Elites

Sorcery - were all nations deceived = Greek Word: Pharmakeia
It is where we get the word Pharmacy, Pharmaceutical
Biblical Meaning: Altering of the Mind, poisoning of the mind, through administering of drugs, potions, in order to use deception and seduction to seduce people into idolatry both figuratively and literally - which the Bible also calls Magic, Magical Arts, Witchcraft.

Like I said, just some thoughts.
100% correct but I doubt none believers will understand.
 
It's not about how I "feel". It's basic economics. Insurance companies in the U.S. are allowed by law to charge up to 50% more for premiums for smokers. So, yes, there is a tax and additional charge for smoking because it costs so much to the healthcare system. Same thing for obesity and life insurance:
Life insurance cost and Obesity

So, it's not like there's no precedent for asking people to contribute more if they are a primary contributor to a cost. Just this past week Delta Airlines opted to not impose a mandate but will instead charge antivaxxers $200 a month extra for health insurance. Delta said the average antivaxxer COVID hospital stay cost $50,000 so they want to raise more money from the antivaxxer pool to offset that.

Again, it's not a me vs. you thing. It's basic common sense. If there is a direct correlation between an action and a consequence, why would this not apply to the financial impact of said action?
So you really want to go down this slippery slope? Where will it end? Do you want fat people to pay more for their insurance than skinny people as well? What if someone is fat due to an undiagnosed medical condition. Do we just say "You eat too much and that's a direct correlation to you being a fat ass, so pay up!" Should diabetics pay higher premiums than those who aren't diabetic? Let's just punish anyone who makes any health and life choices that aren't deemed ideal by some government bureaucrat. Will that make you happy?
 
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It”s so simple. Quit the politics and get the damn shots for your family and economy. We have to get rid of this and the shots are the answer. Proven. And approved. If you could get a shot to not get cancer would you? Sad many would’t.
I reject this premise completely. It would be far better to quit the politics, get the treatments that are known and scientifically proven safe for decades. That’s what’s best for your family and the economy.
If we treat this virus and the diseases it causes it won’t be able to replicate and therefore we can control the spread and get back to living. That’s science.
 
Since I'm now responsible for everyone else's health then, I should be able to walk around restaurants and take certain foods off the table for fat people. I should be allowed to follow fat people around the grocery store and take stuff out of their carts. I should be able to pull people over who I deem as driving unsafe. I think we should force people who don't even like guns to get one, just in case they have to defend their neighbor one day.

See how easy this is. Hospitals have been filled and health care cost raised for everyone due to people making bad choices for eternity, yet the only people you seem to care about are people that don't want to get a vaccine for something they have over a 99% chance of survival for. Glad you're finally on board with public fat shaming now as well.
Who said you were responsible for everyone's health? That's the opposite of my point. They should be responsible for their own health. If they want to weigh 400 pounds and destroy their heart and arteries, fine, they should have to pay higher premiums to cover for the related medical issues. We absolutely do that for smokers already.


Your second point is absolute B.S. I absolutely do not limit my push for responsibility to this topic. I've had a number of rants on the concept of responsibility and the antivaxxers stance is a just a symptom of a huge societal problem right now. So, I don't know where you pulled this one out because this certainly isn't the case. I get it, you were trying to pigeonhole me into a biased position. But no, I'm actually very consistent across the board there.
 
It's actually a great comparison.

You know how many Americans died in WWII? 407,316

So, you conveniently hide behind a reassuring number 99% but the 1% of people that died because of COVID is greater than the number of people that died during the war. Please stop the games of downplaying the significance of what we just witnessed. History will look in horror on what just happened.

And for the record look, here's the magnitude of the difference between responses
U.S.A: 328 million people, 37,701,629 cases, 628,492 deaths
New Zealand: 5 million people, 3,017 cases, 26 deaths

So, 65 times the population, 12,496 times the cases, 24,172 times the deaths. That's where the comparison comes into play. People used to willing to die for their country. Now, they'd rather see 600,000 of their fellow Americans die than wear masks or get vaccinated.

Yeah, 628k have died FROM Covid.

lol we can’t have a reasonable discussion when you start with such obviously incorrect numbers.

But let’s assume that number is correct. Why do we not require schools to mandate the flu vaccine and masks? That disease is very much more of a threat to that age group than Covid is.

This is about power, control and money. Less than 1% death rate and no talk of antibodies but just “get muh vaccine”. Do what you feel comfortable with and stop dictating to everyone else.
 
Not sure if you are serious or not...

But if a person goes deep enough into the research of Marxism/Communism - Bolshevik Revolution in Russia...
The People...
The Ideology...
The Religion...
The Goals and Blueprint they used...
They are the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that we are dealing with today.

I believe it is also the VERY SAME ELEMENTS that the Bible, in the Book of Revelation, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and others, lay out for us in describing 'the end times' and in particular 'Babylon'.

Just some thoughts.

Revelation 18:23 …for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Merchants - The Great Men of the Earth = Greek Word: Megistânes
Biblical Meaning: The Elite, The Ruling Class Elite, Kings, Presidents, High Officials, Social Elites, Religious Elites

Sorcery - were all nations deceived = Greek Word: Pharmakeia
It is where we get the word Pharmacy, Pharmaceutical
Biblical Meaning: Altering of the Mind, poisoning of the mind, through administering of drugs, potions, in order to use deception and seduction to seduce people into idolatry both figuratively and literally - which the Bible also calls Magic, Magical Arts, Witchcraft.

Like I said, just some thoughts.
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Who said you were responsible for everyone's health? That's the opposite of my point. They should be responsible for their own health. If they want to weigh 400 pounds and destroy their heart and arteries, fine, they should have to pay higher premiums to cover for the related medical issues. We absolutely do that for smokers already.


Your second point is absolute B.S. I absolutely do not limit my push for responsibility to this topic. I've had a number of rants on the concept of responsibility and the antivaxxers stance is a just a symptom of a huge societal problem right now. So, I don't know where you pulled this one out because this certainly isn't the case. I get it, you were trying to pigeonhole me into a biased position. But no, I'm actually very consistent across the board there.

What is the huge societal problem that “antivaxxers” are a symptom of?
 
Who said you were responsible for everyone's health? That's the opposite of my point. They should be responsible for their own health. If they want to weigh 400 pounds and destroy their heart and arteries, fine, they should have to pay higher premiums to cover for the related medical issues. We absolutely do that for smokers already.


Your second point is absolute B.S. I absolutely do not limit my push for responsibility to this topic. I've had a number of rants on the concept of responsibility and the antivaxxers stance is a just a symptom of a huge societal problem right now. So, I don't know where you pulled this one out because this certainly isn't the case. I get it, you were trying to pigeonhole me into a biased position. But no, I'm actually very consistent across the board there.
Thank you for making our point as you said. "They should be responsible for their own health" So that means a individual makes their own decision whether to get the China vaccine or not. Thank you.
 
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So you really want to go down this slippery slope? Where will it end? Do you want fat people to pay more for their insurance than skinny people as well? What if someone is fat due to an undiagnosed medical condition. Do we just say "You eat too much and that's a direct correlation to you being a fat ass, so pay up!" Should diabetics pay higher premiums than those who aren't diabetic? Let's just punish anyone who makes any health and life choices that aren't deemed ideal by some government bureaucrat. Will that make you happy?
It's not about making me happy. It's about encouraging the right decisions and discouraging the wrong ones. That used to be a fundamental pillar of our society for the longest time but now both parties care more about WHO you are than WHAT you do.

You are actually getting to the fundamental root cause and that's a great question. How do we measure what is within people's control? Because it is totally unfair to penalize people for something they have no control over. This is where we rely on science and the medical field to draw reasonable lines. For instance, it has been established that smoking materially and significantly increases your risk of severe health conditions. So, a line has been drawn in the sand, that if you choose to smoke, you are willingly taking a risk that you have been warned about.

I'm totally in favor of holding people responsible for their actions WITHIN what they control. The corollary is that I want to support people when bad things happen that are out of their control. For instance I donate to St. Jude's Children hospital and Shriner's hospital. A two-year old coming down with cancer didn't choose to do that. Someone that smoked for 40 years most likely did.
 
Thank you for making our point as you said. "They should be responsible for their own health" So that means a individual makes their own decision whether to get the China vaccine or not. Thank you.
Yes, as long as they accept the consequences of it.

Dude, what is so hard for people to get that. People want the freedom to choose without the responsibility of their consequences. Do you know how insane that sounds when it comes from adults? I get that teenagers can make claims like that but adults? I want to the freedom to choose not to listen to doctors!... but if I do get sick, please make sure the very same doctors whose advice I didn't trust I want to have at my disposal to try and save my life, even it is means other people dying. Lol, the lack of self-awareness is mindboggling :)

That reminds of the joke. There's a 5- year old boy that is being interviewed in his classroom. The journalist asks him "what is selfishness?" The little boy answers "selfishness is people not thinking about me!"
 
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