ADVERTISEMENT

Biden in Israel

Willence

Willence

The Jack Dunlap Club
Gold Member
Dec 26, 2003
12,743
27,000
113
I realize a lot of folks will want to pick on his inability to speak but when you listen to what President Biden has said in Israel, he's done a very nice job on this trip for the most part. Moderate Joe Biden has come out on this trip and that's the best Joe Biden. I appreciate his commitment to Israel and rebutting some in his party who refer to Israel as an apartheid state. I also appreciate his commitment to keep the Iranian Revolutionary Guard on the terrorist list. He's done a nice job from a policy standpoint so far.

Give credit where it is due!
 
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: fcctiger12, tallulahtiger30319, ctcseb and 5 others
Thank you Willence

I'd also point out that although it's distasteful that he's meeting with the Saudis after what they did to Khashoggi, you can't say he isn't trying to pull out all the stops to get gas prices down. It's got to be hard on him knowing his stance on human rights abuses, but you can't say he's not working hard to make things better.
 
dpic73 said:
you can't say he isn't trying to pull out all the stops to get gas prices down. It's got to be hard on him knowing his stance on human rights abuses, but you can't say he's not working hard to make things better.
Click to expand...

Oh I can say he has absolutely been a key part of gas prices going up because he has. I would guess most people want to make things better. In this case, Biden has done exactly what he said he would with respect to gas prices. He campaigned on it and it has happened. People in this country voted for it so they can choke on it. Choices have consequences.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: tallulahtiger30319, clemsonalex and OleFastball
Willence said:
Oh I can say he has absolutely been a key part of gas prices going up because he has. I would guess most people want to make things better. In this case, Biden has done exactly what he said he would with respect to gas prices. He campaigned on it and it has happened. People in this country voted for it so they can choke on it. Choices have consequences.
Click to expand...
Just when I thought we were going to have a reasonable conversation :rolleyes:
 
Willence said:
So it is only reasonable when you agree with what I say? Or only when I come to defense of your views? Hmmmm
Click to expand...
I thanked you - maybe you don't understand that means I was appreciative of your post.

Then I pointed out that the main purpose of the trip was to encourage the Saudis to pump more oil. I wasn't challenging or contradicting you - just making a comment that he was trying to do something for the good of Americans.

Not sure how that prompted your caustic response but I shouldn't be surprised. Your hyperbole is out of place here and pretty obnoxious, but that's normal for you.
 
dpic73 said:
I thanked you - maybe you don't understand that means I was appreciative of your post.

Then I pointed out that the main purpose of the trip was to encourage the Saudis to pump more oil. I wasn't challenging or contradicting you - just making a comment that he was trying to do something for the good of Americans.

Not sure how that prompted your caustic response but I shouldn't be surprised. Your hyperbole is out of place here and pretty obnoxious, but that's normal for you.
Click to expand...

You're welcome. I wasn't caustic. I just stated a fact about gas prices and President Biden. You were nice to thank but you wanted to add stuff and I didn't want it inferred I agree with you. I don't in that case. But the President has had a good trip so far. I hope he continues to be successful the rest of the trip but I do not want Saudi oil. They are a ruthless, authoritarian regime. No thank you.

We can produce our own oil without having to use giant tankers to bring it across the ocean and further poison our oceans. In the end our way would be a much cleaner and environmentally sound process.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tallulahtiger30319 and clemsonalex
Wonder how many American friends of Israel know who Jonathan Pollard is.
 
Willence said:
You're welcome. I wasn't caustic. I just stated a fact about gas prices and President Biden. You were nice to thank but you wanted to add stuff and I didn't want it inferred I agree with you. I don't in that case. But the President has had a good trip so far. I hope he continues to be successful the rest of the trip but I do not want Saudi oil. They are a ruthless, authoritarian regime. No thank you.

We can produce our own oil without having to use giant tankers to bring it across the ocean and further poison our oceans. In the end our way would be a much cleaner and environmentally sound process.
Click to expand...

I'm pretty sure he isn't buying it - just asking them to pump more to increase the global oil supply.

@WapPride correct me if I'm wrong
 
dpic73 said:
I'm pretty sure he isn't buying it - just asking them to pump more to increase the global oil supply.

@WapPride correct me if I'm wrong
Click to expand...
yes and no. they need to pump more to increase global oil supply, but it doesn't matter which country buys the oil that's pumped. if they pump an additional 20m gallons/day and if all of that is sold to indonesia it'll still drive global oil prices down. i think we import about 500k barrels/day from SA, and that number has decreased each year since about 2012 or so. canada is by far the largest exporter of oil to the US.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fcctiger12 and dpic73
Willence said:
Oh I can say he has absolutely been a key part of gas prices going up because he has. I would guess most people want to make things better. In this case, Biden has done exactly what he said he would with respect to gas prices. He campaigned on it and it has happened. People in this country voted for it so they can choke on it. Choices have consequences.
Click to expand...

His jawboning of MBS is a part of why gas prices are so high. Saudi has no incentive to help us out. That and killing the pipeline in the US and pressuring the coal industry to please the greenies have all directly impacted gas prices. Also Bidens weakeness allowed Putin to invade Ukraine which has also impacted gas prices. Biden owns the gas price increases and Americans will hold him accountable in the voting booth this fall. Having prices go up$2 and then down $.30 isnt going to cut it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PawsFan_ and clemsonalex
WapPride said:
yes and no. they need to pump more to increase global oil supply, but it doesn't matter which country buys the oil that's pumped. if they pump an additional 20m gallons/day and if all of that is sold to indonesia it'll still drive global oil prices down. i think we import about 500k barrels/day from SA, and that number has decreased each year since about 2012 or so. canada is by far the largest exporter of oil to the US.
Click to expand...

Yet Biden killed the Keystone pipeline. correct me if im wrong.
 
  • Like
Reactions: clemsonalex
Willence said:
I realize a lot of folks will want to pick on his inability to speak but when you listen to what President Biden has said in Israel, he's done a very nice job on this trip for the most part. Moderate Joe Biden has come out on this trip and that's the best Joe Biden. I appreciate his commitment to Israel and rebutting some in his party who refer to Israel as an apartheid state. I also appreciate his commitment to keep the Iranian Revolutionary Guard on the terrorist list. He's done a nice job from a policy standpoint so far.

Give credit where it is due!
Click to expand...

surprising that he is going off script of the deep White House Dark State

I keep praying Biden makes his full term as the waiting in the wings will be more of a disaster than the present mess

If Biden were more coherent this mess would not be happening as Biden has in the past been a more middle of the road leader

the crazies he is listening to now is his problem
 
OleFastball said:
Yet Biden killed the Keystone pipeline. correct me if im wrong.
Click to expand...
yes the keystone pipeline was killed by Biden. the oil we import from canada is mainly heavy crude (which US refineries can process.) this type of oil is mainly used in the petrochemical/plastics industry, it's not used to make gasoline/diesel/av fuel.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fcctiger12 and nytigerfan
WapPride said:
yes the keystone pipeline was killed by Biden. the oil we import from canada is mainly heavy crude (which US refineries can process.) this type of oil is mainly used in the petrochemical/plastics industry, it's not used to make gasoline/diesel/av fuel.
Click to expand...

OK. Lets assume you are correct. If that oil is used in the plastics / petrochemical oil, doesnt that leave less oil to refine for gas?

To be clear, that oil CAN be used for gas its just not preferred because it costs more to refine. However, it still leaves less oil available for gas one way or another, thus, driving up gas prices.
 
Rare Biden W comparing the plight of Palestinians to the plight of the Irish
 
OleFastball said:
OK. Lets assume you are correct. If that oil is used in the plastics / petrochemical oil, doesnt that leave less oil to refine for gas?

To be clear, that oil CAN be used for gas its just not preferred because it costs more to refine. However, it still leaves less oil available for gas one way or another, thus, driving up gas prices.
Click to expand...
it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. heavy/light, sour/sweet, and what each refinery is capable of handling are all determining factors to be considered. there's no shortage of crude that's prohibiting the needed production of gas/diesel. our refineries are already running at 95% capacity (which is their required limit) so even if there was more crude available, we wouldn't be able to refine it. i'm about to walk into a meeting but can explain further later

we're essentially at a breakeven point for fuel exporting/importing in the US right now. meaning we import just as much gasoline/diesel as we export. this graphic is from a few years back, but these numbers have been improving every year since then (minus 2020.) https://www.api.org/-/media/EnergyT...hash=FEB67A07A15E71507ABC73F6F1367C77405C8ABC
 
  • Like
Reactions: fcctiger12
WapPride said:
yes the keystone pipeline was killed by Biden. the oil we import from canada is mainly heavy crude (which US refineries can process.) this type of oil is mainly used in the petrochemical/plastics industry, it's not used to make gasoline/diesel/av fuel.
Click to expand...


The pipeline would have also run through montana where it would have picked up light crude, which is cheaper to refine into gas.

wikipedia
t would have run through Baker, Montana, where American-produced light crude oil from the Williston Basin (Bakken formation) of Montana and North Dakota would have been added[12] to the Keystone's throughput of synthetic crude oil (syncrude) and diluted bitumen (dilbit) from the oil sands of Canada.
 
WapPride said:
it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. heavy/light, sour/sweet, and what each refinery is capable of handling are all determining factors to be considered. there's no shortage of crude that's prohibiting the needed production of gas/diesel. our refineries are already running at 95% capacity (which is their required limit) so even if there was more crude available, we wouldn't be able to refine it. i'm about to walk into a meeting but can explain further later

we're essentially at a breakeven point for fuel exporting/importing in the US right now. meaning we import just as much gasoline/diesel as we export. this graphic is from a few years back, but these numbers have been improving every year since then (minus 2020.) https://www.api.org/-/media/EnergyTomorrow/blog/2018/June-images/Reduced -- US petroleum trade balance.jpg?la=en&hash=FEB67A07A15E71507ABC73F6F1367C77405C8ABC
Click to expand...

You dont need to explain anything. Joes policies are turrible. Shutting down the pipeline was a YUGE mistake, directly correlated to the current increase in gas prices. Wake up SLeepy Joe!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Allornothing
Thank God for Manchin killing the Climate crazy's. He has single handedly saved this country from the democratic freaks wanting more inflation.
 
dpic73 said:
I'm pretty sure he isn't buying it - just asking them to pump more to increase the global oil supply.

@WapPride correct me if I'm wrong
Click to expand...
Asking the same man he publically called a murderer? Whether true or not, calling the King of Saudi Arabia was a dumb move. The Saud's are really pissed at the US over a number of things right now: Insulting their king, our withdraw militarily from the Mid East, negotiating with Iran, and failing to follow through on weapon sales agreements. Biden's not personally to blame for all of this, but the Saud's are sending a message to the US loud and clear. "The world needs our oil and we are important."

Biden better pull out all the Wasta he has....but it's likely not going to turn the spigots on any time soon.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OleFastball
PawsFan_ said:
Asking the same man he publically called a murderer? Whether true or not, calling the King of Saudi Arabia was a dumb move. The Saud's are really pissed at the US over a number of things right now: Insulting their king, our withdraw militarily from the Mid East, negotiating with Iran, and failing to follow through on weapon sales agreements. Biden's not personally to blame for all of this, but the Saud's are sending a message to the US loud and clear. "The world needs our oil and we are important."

Biden better pull out all the Wasta he has....but it's likely not going to turn the spigots on any time soon.
Click to expand...

I actually agree. Biden calling him a murderer - while accurate - was not good diplomacy. I imagine his team was squirming when he said it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fcctiger12 and OleFastball
OleFastball said:
You dont need to explain anything. Joes policies are turrible. Shutting down the pipeline was a YUGE mistake, directly correlated to the current increase in gas prices. Wake up SLeepy Joe!
Click to expand...

Gas prices dropping now. Joe's policies 1.5 years in seem to be working. I mean, if we are going to blame him for high gas prices all over the world, we have to give him credit for them dropping too.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dpic73
nytigerfan said:
I actually agree. Biden calling him a murderer - while accurate - was not good diplomacy. I imagine his team was squirming when he said it.
Click to expand...
I dont think he team was squirming at all. They were instructing him on what to say thinking they were tough. Lets be honest, Joe doesnt have many thoughts of his own right now, he is just too old.

A few years ago, yes. Now he just regurgitates whatever the last aide to speak to him says.
 
nytigerfan said:
Gas prices dropping now. Joe's policies 1.5 years in seem to be working. I mean, if we are going to blame him for high gas prices all over the world, we have to give him credit for them dropping too.
Click to expand...
U.S. gasoline prices have followed a drop in the futures market for both crude oil and gasoline. Those markets are down because investors are worried interest-rate hikes will slow the economy as central banks get aggressive in combating inflation. You know that "transitory" inflation that has hit yet another 40 year record.

So yeah...so give Joe credit for a $.30 decline in gas prices because analysts forecast a dim outlook for the future of the economy.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: harristeeter and Allornothing
PawsFan_ said:
U.S. gasoline prices have followed a drop in the futures market for both crude oil and gasoline. Those markets are down because investors are worried interest-rate hikes will slow the economy as central banks get aggressive in combating inflation. You know that "transitory" inflation that has yet yet another 40 year record.

So yeah...so give Joe credit for a $.30 decline in gas prices because analysts forecast a dim outlook for the future of the economy.
Click to expand...

But you can't have it both ways. You cannot look at rising gas prices - that started before Biden was even president - and say 'That's Joe Biden's fault, let's put a hilarious sticker on a gas pump." If you are going to play that game, you have to give him credit too. Same with inflation.
 
OleFastball said:
Why do you think Gas prices were $2 under the Trump administration. And don't use Ukraine as an excuse.
Click to expand...
There was one month gas prices were under $2 from 2016 to 2020 and it was in February of 2016. there were a couple of months during the pandemic where it dropped below $2, but that was during the first two months of the shutdowns.

Gas prices have risen due to a number of reasons, but mainly it's basic supply and demand due to the pandemic. Global oil production was around 95m barrels in 2019 and then dropped to 86m and 87m barrels in 2020 and 2021, respectively. That shortage of available oil on the market during a time when industry was ramping back up created a perfect storm for O&G companies to jack the price up to offset losses sustained during the pandemic.

In 2021 and so far in 2022 the US is the leading producer of oil in the world surpassing Russia and SA, so we're doing our part to make up for the supply shortage from 2020 and 2021.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fcctiger12, nytigerfan, ctcseb and 1 other person
dpic73 said:
The Post is going after him as well. Can we please quit pretending that all non-conservative news gives Democrats a pass?

Click to expand...

They have just turned on Sleepy Joe in the last 2 months because they see how destructive his policies are and the results they are producing. They were cheering those policies on forever, now they that they see the results they are turning their back on him. No surprise.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: nytigerfan and dpic73
Willence said:
Oh I can say he has absolutely been a key part of gas prices going up because he has. I would guess most people want to make things better. In this case, Biden has done exactly what he said he would with respect to gas prices. He campaigned on it and it has happened. People in this country voted for it so they can choke on it. Choices have consequences.
Click to expand...
"I want gas prices to go down all while promising to destroy the fossil fuel industry."
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

TigerGrowls

Biden WH Expose

Replies
0
Views
181
House Of Politics & Off-Topics
TigerGrowls
TigerGrowls
Cris_Ard

Iran launches missiles at Israel, IDF says

Replies
29
Views
1K
House Of Politics & Off-Topics
coldbud1994
coldbud1994
fatpiggy

Unelected Democrat Jill Biden Fills Vacated Presidency

Replies
4
Views
234
House Of Politics & Off-Topics
scotchtiger
scotchtiger
TigerGrowls

Biden Articles of Impeachment

Replies
6
Views
572
House Of Politics & Off-Topics
TigerGrowls
TigerGrowls
BigPapaWhit

Home Networking Questions

Replies
33
Views
2K
The West Zone
BigPapaWhit
BigPapaWhit
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back