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Big Beautiful Bill - Passes House, Now On To Senate - Elon Says Trump In Epstein Files



It is impossible to overstate how exceptional and extraordinary the One Big Beautiful Bill truly is. It delivers enthusiastically on every major campaign promise in the 2024 landslide electoral mandate:
—Largest tax cut and reform in history
—No tax on tips and overtime
—Massive tax cut for fixed-income Seniors
—Interest on car loans fully tax deductible if the car is American
—Fast-tracks new energy projects and provides protection against future regulation
—Terminates Green New Deal
—No welfare or gov’t healthcare for illegals
—Ends waste, fraud and abuse in government welfare, the largest welfare reform in history
—Full up-front funding for the entire border wall and water barriers (will never need to ask Democrats for these funds, denying them leverage on all future annual appropriations bills)
—Pay raise for ICE and Border Patrol
—Full funding for every border and immigration security priority the American People voted for, making it the most significant border and homeland bill in American history
—Port security to keep fentanyl out of the US
—Funds the Golden Dome, a state-of-the-art shield against enemy missile strikes on our soil
—Defunds the transgender agenda and attacks on our kids
—Cuts 1.6 TRILLION in net mandatory spending
—The most pro-American tax bill ever, including 100% expensing on new American factories to ensure the future is Made in the USA
 
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Good stuff.



I’ve seen a few claims making the rounds on the Big Beautiful Bill that require correction.

The first is that it doesn’t “codify the DOGE cuts.” A reconciliation bill, which is a budget bill that passes with 50 votes, is limited by senate rules to “mandatory” spending only — eg Medicaid and Food Stamps. The senate rules prevent it from cutting “discretionary” spending — eg the Department of Education or federal grants. The DOGE cuts are overwhelmingly discretionary, not mandatory. The bill saves more than 1.6 TRILLION in mandatory spending, including the largest-ever welfare reform. A remarkable achievement.

I’ve also seen claims the bill increases the deficit. This lie is based on a CBO accounting gimmick. Income tax rates from the 2017 tax cut are set to expire in September. They were always planned to be permanent. CBO says maintaining *current* rates adds to the deficit, but by definition leaving these income tax rates unchanged cannot add one penny to the deficit. The bill’s spending cuts REDUCE the deficit against the current law baseline, which is the only correct baseline to use.

Another fantastically false claim is that the bill spends trillions of dollars. This is just completely invented out of whole cloth. This is not a ten year budget bill—it doesn’t “fund” almost any operations of government, which are funded in the annual budget bills (which this is not). In other words, if this bill passed, but the annual budget bill did not, there would be no government funding. Under the math that critics are using, if we passed a one paragraph reconciliation bill that cut simply 50 billion in food stamp spending, they would say the bill “added” trillions in spending and debt because they are counting ALL the projected federal spending that exists entirely outside the scope of this legislation, which is of course preposterous. The only funding in the bill is for the President’s border and defense priorities, while enacting a net spending cut of over 1.6 TRILLION dollars.

The bill has two fiscal components: a massive tax cut and a massive spending cut.

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The Big Beautiful Bill's $1.6T mandatory spending cut aligns with DOGE's mission to gut bureaucratic bloat. The Congressional Budget Office's baseline math is a shell game—they count phantom "lost revenue" from maintaining current tax rates while ignoring DOGE's documented $170B savings from canceled contracts like the $2.9B Office of Refugee Resettlement scam and $1.9B Treasury EPPIS boondoggle.

Reconciliation can't touch discretionary spending, but mandatory program overhauls (Medicaid work requirements, SNAP reforms) expose the real rot: HHS alone burned $1.7T in 2024. Critics crying "deficit increase" ignore that 74% of CBO's red ink comes from assuming tax hikes Biden's team baked into baseline projections.

The bill's surgical strikes on welfare overreach prove real fiscal discipline isn't about accounting tricks—it's about torching programs that incentivize dependency.
 


I see some self-described libertarians siding with lefty bureaucrats at CBO who claim the Big Beautiful Bill will “explode the debt.” This is based entirely on CBO claiming that extending the current tax rates (not raising them) will “cost” the government $4 trillion in revenue.

Since when have libertarians argued that NOT raising taxes “costs” the government money? Private money yet to be earned does not “belong” to the government. This is a Democrat-collectivist argument and I’m shocked to see libertarians deploying it.

Under this ludicrous theory, one could raise taxes to 90% on everyone and declare the deficit solved.

BBB cuts taxes, cuts spending, reforms welfare and *ends mass migration*.

On the last point, anyone serious about limited government and improving America’s financial health would understand that ending mass migration is the prerequisite for every other problem we wish to solve.

Of course, true libertarians don’t believe in borders at all…
 
Can we all agree there are no "cuts" only cuts to the increase? Medicare and Medicaid spending is not going down just going up slower.
I agree. NOBODY IS CUTTING S**t for ANYTHING.

The politcians need their money coming in.
 
Yep. I really, really wish more of these MAGAguys, (not including you) would come to the realization that Trump is not a genius when it comes to international Trade and usiness.

Trump is absolutely going to balloon our debt through a combination of tax cuts, and destroying our credit rating which will drive the best service even higher. The idea of a level playing field is fair, but the way they have gone about it is just dumb, and has been riddled with basic accounting errors. I believe that you are in banking, I know you would have never made the idiotic calculation errors that the White House did with the initial "reciprocal tariffs".

Honestly, the only thing I'll give him genius level credit for is self promotion.
FP #101...You win!
 
Isn't debt in your list of grievances for why we need to cut essential services for those in need?
$8.4 Trillion was the debt under your party. Almost %50 more than the number you posted.

Please show us a post of your concerned about the debt under Biden?

I hate the current budget but democrats are no better. This does not distinguish them in any way from the democrats unless you want to say they are better.
 
$8.4 Trillion was the debt under your party. Almost %50 more than the number you posted.

Please show us a post of your concerned about the debt under Biden?

I hate the current budget but democrats are no better. This does not distinguish them in any way from the democrats unless you want to say they are better.
So you have no principles. Got it
 
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A lot of the fiscal discussion around the Big Beautiful Bill seems to conflate, whether willfully or not, the words “spending” versus the word “deficit.”

There is no dispute that the bill cuts over $1.6 trillion in spending. It mainly accomplishes this through the largest welfare reform in history.

But lefty bureaucrats at CBO pretend the bill increases the deficit (not spending) through the extension of current tax rates — ie preventing a tax increase. CBO’s bogus math has nothing to do with spending whatsoever. It’s just an accounting trick to encourage tax hikes, one Democrats have used for years.

As for the deficit, maintaining current tax rates by definition cannot add a penny to the deficit. It doesn’t “cost” the government anything to keep current rates in place. What costs the government money is spending, and this bill cuts spending dramatically — reducing the actual budget deficit as a result.

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The CBO’s deficit math is pure D.C. fiction. Let’s cut through the spin: extending current tax rates isn’t a “cost”—it’s preventing a stealth tax hike. The $1.6T in spending cuts are real, gutting bloated welfare programs that ballooned under Biden. But here’s the kicker: agencies like HHS and Education exploded 42-51% since 2019, proving bureaucrats always find ways to inflate budgets.

The deficit debate is a smokescreen. True reform requires structural change—like the Fair Tax Act—to end Washington’s addiction to spending while protecting taxpayers.

Until then, CBO’s “deficit” claims are just bureaucratic shell games to justify more theft.
 
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Elon turns on the Big Beautiful Bill. As he should. As I posted before it's a Bunch of Bloated Bullshit.

Way too much government spending. Sure we can stimulate growth, but we desperately need to reduce spending.

We will see how much influence $300mm gets him.


 
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And before democrats start chirping - here is Fat Boy Pritzker adding $1.50 tax to every package delivered. And the best part is they are not allowed to show you the tax you are paying.


 
I dunno... Maybe I'm just too simple to understand. The way I see it, you have a certain amount of money coming in. Let's call it income. You have a certain amount of money going out. Let's call that expenses. If your money coming in is less than the money going out, you are spending more than you are earning. Let's call that debt.

I heard promises that we were going to fix that problem. Again, I might be too simple to understand, but there seems to be a couple of ways to do this... You can increase the money coming in. Taxes, tariffs, etc. You can decrease the money going out. Cut programs, inefficiencies, cost savings, negotiating bill, etc. OR some mix of the two.

Now, folks can SAY whatever they want and spin their side (whatever that is). But again the simple bottom line lets you know where you stand. If you are extending the debt ceiling so that you can borrow more money then you are going in the wrong direction if you want the debt gone.

It would seem to me that if this were a priority for either party, that no one would be interested in cutting taxes on anyone AND everyone would be really interested in cutting expenses where ever you can. That seems like it would be the most bang for the buck. One thing is for sure... we can't keep doing what we are doing.
 
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A lot of this argument is how the cbo interprèts future effects of budget plans. The repubs have always stated that tax cuts will increase revenue. The proof or not will be in the results. Trump wants to get the major parts put into effect in this bill and then go back and work on other needs. Even knowing he is fighting à lot of swamp repubs I trust in Trump.
 
A lot of this argument is how the cbo interprèts future effects of budget plans. The repubs have always stated that tax cuts will increase revenue. The proof or not will be in the results. Trump wants to get the major parts put into effect in this bill and then go back and work on other needs. Even knowing he is fighting à lot of swamp repubs I trust in Trump.
We have his first term as an example to test that theory. How did that work out?
 
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A lot of this argument is how the cbo interprèts future effects of budget plans. The repubs have always stated that tax cuts will increase revenue. The proof or not will be in the results. Trump wants to get the major parts put into effect in this bill and then go back and work on other needs. Even knowing he is fighting à lot of swamp repubs I trust in Trump.

You trust Trump based on what? What did he actually accomplish? He made a bunch of promises,pissed off all our friends, and insulted people.... That's about it.
 
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You trust Trump based on what? What did he actually accomplish? He made a bunch of promises,pissed off all our friends, and insulted people.... That's about it.
He's washed his hands of the Ukraine fiasco that he promised would be solved by January 20 because Putin and him are BFF.
 
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A lot of this argument is how the cbo interprèts future effects of budget plans. The repubs have always stated that tax cuts will increase revenue. The proof or not will be in the results. Trump wants to get the major parts put into effect in this bill and then go back and work on other needs. Even knowing he is fighting à lot of swamp repubs I trust in Trump.
 
I dunno... Maybe I'm just too simple to understand. The way I see it, you have a certain amount of money coming in. Let's call it income. You have a certain amount of money going out. Let's call that expenses. If your money coming in is less than the money going out, you are spending more than you are earning. Let's call that debt.

I heard promises that we were going to fix that problem. Again, I might be too simple to understand, but there seems to be a couple of ways to do this... You can increase the money coming in. Taxes, tariffs, etc. You can decrease the money going out. Cut programs, inefficiencies, cost savings, negotiating bill, etc. OR some mix of the two.

Now, folks can SAY whatever they want and spin their side (whatever that is). But again the simple bottom line lets you know where you stand. If you are extending the debt ceiling so that you can borrow more money then you are going in the wrong direction if you want the debt gone.

It would seem to me that if this were a priority for either party, that no one would be interested in cutting taxes on anyone AND everyone would be really interested in cutting expenses where ever you can. That seems like it would be the most bang for the buck. One thing is for sure... we can't keep doing what we are doing.

Option C would be to grow your way out of it.

The rest I agree with.
 
$8.4 Trillion was the debt under your party. Almost %50 more than the number you posted.

Please show us a post of your concerned about the debt under Biden?

I hate the current budget but democrats are no better. This does not distinguish them in any way from the democrats unless you want to say they are better.
At least when democrats run the deficit up the average person gets something out of it. When the Republicans do it it all goes to the top 1%
 
Worked out great. Revenues went up.
Wrong!

"No, Trump’s tax cuts in his first term, primarily through the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, did not result in an increase in federal revenue. Data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Treasury Department shows that federal revenues, when adjusted for inflation and economic growth, either remained flat or declined slightly in the years following the tax cuts."

According to the CBO, federal revenues as a share of GDP dropped from 17.2% in 2017 to 16.4% in 2018 and 16.3% in 2019. Nominal revenues grew modestly due to economic expansion, but real revenue (adjusted for inflation) did not increase significantly, and deficits widened, with the federal deficit rising from $665 billion in 2017 to $984 billion in 2019.

Analyses from the Joint Committee on Taxation and the CBO estimated that the TCJA would reduce federal revenue by approximately $1.5 trillion over a decade, even when accounting for economic feedback effects. Claims of revenue increases often stem from nominal figures without adjusting for inflation or economic growth, which can be misleading. Posts on X and various web sources reflect mixed opinions, with some claiming revenue rose due to economic activity, but these lack rigorous backing when scrutinized against primary data."



Let me know if you want to discuss what those tax cuts did to the debt!
 
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Wrong!

"No, Trump’s tax cuts in his first term, primarily through the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, did not result in an increase in federal revenue. Data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Treasury Department shows that federal revenues, when adjusted for inflation and economic growth, either remained flat or declined slightly in the years following the tax cuts."

According to the CBO, federal revenues as a share of GDP dropped from 17.2% in 2017 to 16.4% in 2018 and 16.3% in 2019. Nominal revenues grew modestly due to economic expansion, but real revenue (adjusted for inflation) did not increase significantly, and deficits widened, with the federal deficit rising from $665 billion in 2017 to $984 billion in 2019.

Analyses from the Joint Committee on Taxation and the CBO estimated that the TCJA would reduce federal revenue by approximately $1.5 trillion over a decade, even when accounting for economic feedback effects. Claims of revenue increases often stem from nominal figures without adjusting for inflation or economic growth, which can be misleading. Posts on X and various web sources reflect mixed opinions, with some claiming revenue rose due to economic activity, but these lack rigorous backing when scrutinized against primary data."



Let me know if you want to discuss what those tax cuts did to the debt!
Dpic....geez!!! Take grok and shove it up your bum. This is like when you loony libs cannot accept that gas goes down when Trump is in office but according to you guys he was just lucky.


Go Figure: Federal Revenues Hit All-Time Highs Under Trump Tax Cuts​


Updated 11:43 AM ET 02/08/2019
Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan.

Income Taxes After Trump Tax Cuts​

True, the first three months of the fiscal year were before the tax cuts kicked in. But if you limit the accounting to this calendar year, individual income tax revenues are up by 5% through September.
Other major sources of revenue climbed as well, as the overall economy revived. FICA tax collections rose by more than 3%. Excise taxes jumped 13%.
The only category that was down? Corporate income taxes, which dropped by 31%.

Overall, federal revenues came in slightly higher in FY 2018 — up 0.5%.
Spending, on the other hand, was $127 billion higher in fiscal 2018. As a result, deficits for 2018 climbed $113 billion.
Let's compare these results with Obama's last full fiscal year in office, 2016.
Individual income tax revenues went up by a mere 0.3%, Treasury data show. Fiscal 2016 also saw a 13% drop in corporate income taxes. FICA tax collections climbed by less than 1%. Excise tax collections dropped almost 3%.
Overall revenues increased by 0.5% — about the same as this year. The deficit? It climbed by $148 billion.
So, in other words, the government did better on revenues and deficits in the year after Trump's tax cuts went into effect than it did in Obama's last year in office.

Trump Tax Cuts To Blame For Deficit?​

To this, critics say, yes, but revenues would have climbed faster had it not been for the tax cuts, because the economy was booming in 2018, unlike in 2016.
Not necessarily.
Yes, the economy was booming in fiscal 2018. But it probably wouldn't have been booming without the tax cuts. Had Trump not succeeded in getting his pro-growth tax cuts across the finish line, it's possible we'd have seen a year like Obama's last one. A sluggish economy, barely increasing federal revenues, and a large increase in deficits.
Does that mean Trump's tax cuts are fully "paying for themselves"? We wouldn't make that argument. But the faster economic growth is clearly offsetting at least some of their costs — which is precisely what backers said would happen.
What is unmistakable from the data, however, is that the Trump tax cuts are not entirely, or even mostly, responsible for the increase in the deficit. Blame for that rests squarely with spendthrifts in Congress — on both sides of the aisle — who refuse to bring federal spending under control.
So, the question is: Would it have been better to have kept taxes high, and sacrificed economic, job and wage gains we've been enjoying, so that the government could have collected a little bit more in taxes?
 
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The Big Beautiful Bill contains three major sections:

1. The most significant border security and deportation effort in history, including the entire wall — up front, now, with no possibility of Democrat obstruction.
2. Full extension and expansion of the Trump Tax Cuts (this is what CBO is “scoring” — not spending, TAX CUTS. The ones we campaigned on and pledged!)
3. The largest welfare reform in history, CUTTING almost $2 trillion in spending (net)

Item 1 alone (border security + deportation) makes this the most important legislation for the conservative project in the history of the nation.
 
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