Braves are 1 game away from a championship and CNN publishes this…
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I'll start by saying that the city of Atlanta and the Braves completely messed up their opportunity at Turner Field. There was nothing wrong with that stadium that was only 20 years old when they decided to move, however the surrounding area is/was a dump.
When I first moved to Atlanta, I enjoyed going to braves games, but I really didn't enjoy the area surrounding the stadium. It felt unsafe, especially after a night game. People selling re-capped water bottles out of dirty coolers, knock off t-shirts, etc. It was definitely a place that you went just for the game and nothing else. The ironic part, is that the area around the stadium is now moving along like many other neighborhoods and is being gentrified. I personally wouldn't want to live there but it is becoming a nicer place.
I was skeptical of the new stadium but I was dead wrong. That place is fun and so are all the surrounding restaurants and bars. It is also a money making machine. I'd love to get a look at the Braves books and run a comparison from before/after the move. And that brings me to the overall point. The move to Smyrna was a good business decision for the Braves. Ticket prices are up, attendance is up, apparel sales, food and beverage sales, etc. They brought themselves closer to the fans that actually attended the games and created a safe, fun environment for those fans. Yes, I'm sure the fan base demographic has changed, but its a good business decision and they are a for profit company. The Braves do not have any responsibility to do anything besides make money so I don't have any problem with their move or the "negative social consequences" that the media perceives.
When I first moved to Atlanta, I enjoyed going to braves games, but I really didn't enjoy the area surrounding the stadium. It felt unsafe, especially after a night game. People selling re-capped water bottles out of dirty coolers, knock off t-shirts, etc. It was definitely a place that you went just for the game and nothing else. The ironic part, is that the area around the stadium is now moving along like many other neighborhoods and is being gentrified. I personally wouldn't want to live there but it is becoming a nicer place.
I was skeptical of the new stadium but I was dead wrong. That place is fun and so are all the surrounding restaurants and bars. It is also a money making machine. I'd love to get a look at the Braves books and run a comparison from before/after the move. And that brings me to the overall point. The move to Smyrna was a good business decision for the Braves. Ticket prices are up, attendance is up, apparel sales, food and beverage sales, etc. They brought themselves closer to the fans that actually attended the games and created a safe, fun environment for those fans. Yes, I'm sure the fan base demographic has changed, but its a good business decision and they are a for profit company. The Braves do not have any responsibility to do anything besides make money so I don't have any problem with their move or the "negative social consequences" that the media perceives.
Love the ITP vs OTP shade. As a somewhat recent ITP to OTP conversion, I'll say that I still feel like I live in "Atlanta" and am in touch with "Atlanta" things but am starting to feel a little detached from the city, especially since I don't commute anymore.
With any foresight, Turner could/should have been just the same as the battery if not better.
With how the beltline has grown exponentially, the surrounding investment from home buyers and Georgia State, its pretty clear that the area just needed investment.
Instead you do a backroom deal behind everyone's back for a spot that has no soul or connection to the city. And what they did build is extremely fun btw. But is it what they built or the location that makes it? I say its what they built which means you could have done the same at Turner.
They are making money hand over fist I agree. But as a fan and resident, there is a sense to represent this city and all the people in it. To side with Liberty Media and their spreadsheet is a strange hollow take.
Have a friend in MLB and he's upset about the lack of black players starting the game. He blames travel ball and the high cost which excludes a lot. Post ball was not like this.
Can say the same about soccer development in this country - very limited even with the MLS franchise going out and helping talented youth players
Can say the same about soccer development in this country - very limited even with the MLS franchise going out and helping talented youth players
Probably because he doesn’t like basketball …….. which isn’t a crime. He basically went to media war with some of the games biggest stars. I don’t think he would be welcome lol.
Meanwhile the aau and seven on seven travel scene is more popular and more expensive than ever before. It’s all about how you look at something.
I do find it funny that they posted a picture of a sign in a game in Houston. I’m almost 100 percent positive that person was using that sign as a joke.
Maybe if people stopped caring what Fox News or CNN said and just focused on things under their control the world might not seem so dark. Just saying.
Ah you are right. He was at the Milwaukee/Phoenix finals games. Oh wait no he wasnt.
People love getting worked up and letting other people know how worked up they are.
See the PETA bullpen threads.
Liberals can identify with cheating so they ain't gonna call that out....🤣
I completely agree that Turner could and should have become what the Battery is and I would have preferred that. To be clear on my stance, I also hate how sports franchises strong arm municipalities to get them to subsidize their stadiums, but that reality exists and all franchises do it, so cities/counties/states are stuck with this reality.
There was a lack of commitment by the city. They had 20+ years to make it the Battery and didn't do it. By the time they came into talks with the Braves, they had just given all of their money to the Falcons/ATL United for a new stadium. Bad timing mixed with lack of historical investment is what led to where we are now.
The only point I'm making is that I don't believe a company has any obligation to sell their product or make their product available to specific demographics. If the Braves can make more money by moving their location, then I don't blame the Braves. To draw a comparison, no-one guilt trips high end brands like Rolex for their customer demographics.
Sports franchises IMO play a different role than your average company. Whether you think its true or not, they do play a major role in the community. They not only bring a financial boost but an emotional boost to a city.
Rolex doesn't really do the same for a city.
Hell yeah the NWO is back damn Braves back in World Series NWO is back it truly is the 90s again😂😂😂😂
Its both what they built and the location. The Battery cuts out about 30 minutes worth of traffic time for the majority of the fans, so they have time to enjoy the area around it. Turner Field was show up and walk in (probably late due to traffic at the 75/85 merge and the Grady Curve). There is no way in hell that you are going to have a business lunch at Turner Field. Its too far away from any business district.
So they moved closer to their season ticket base, and opposite of traffic, to a geography they now dominate and have turned into a 365 day destination after being told told to basically sit down and shut up by Kasim Reed. But the Braves are the one that are at fault? The City of Atl turned its back on the Braves. The city decided to finance the renovation of State Farm/Phillips Arena for $150 million and Mercedes Benz 200 million (and maintenance forever). Turner Field needed $150 million. Here is Reeds official statement "The city would have had to finance between $150 and $250 million of debt out of the city’s general fund,” Reed said. “I’ve been talking about roads, bridges, and infrastructure for the entire time I’ve been in office. We have a $922 million infrastructure backlog. That has to be dealt with. I don’t want folks at home to think that we were taking the investment in the Atlanta Braves lightly. We weren’t at all. We wanted the Braves to stay in Atlanta. But that was the business problem we had to solve." So ask yourself, why were they willing to spend that much or more on the Hawks and Falcons, but not the Braves. Maybe because of the demographics of the fan base looks like what the leadership of the city wanted? Both Turner Field and Philips Arena were owned by the Atl Fulton County Rec Authority.
Atlanta may have been the city too busy to hate, but its now the city that is 100% about race. Even in how they decide to finance the facilities they own. I miss Shirley Franklin....
Corporate media has 1 goal.
POLARIZATION.
Polarization keeps people dialed in.
Polarization keeps the ad revenue of the 48 pharmaceutical ads being viewed
Polarization keeps the SOCIAL MEDIA machine churning so you’ll want to dial in back to FAUXNEWS/MSNBC/CNN
When your programs reflect more TMZ/National Enquirer vibe than BBC, it’s time to turn it off.
Looks like NFL and MLB are about equal: https://morningconsult.com/2020/09/10/sports-fan-base-demographic-data/
Just wanted to say that while we don't completely agree, I appreciate your perspective and comments. I think at the end of the day we both would have preferred further investment in the Turner field area. I have a hard time arguing that the new stadium and area aren't a net positive given what I see every time I go there and the fact that WS tickets were over $1000 for the worst seats in the house. I do miss the $10 lower deck tickets at Turner though
It’s hard to believe they published this:
But when the Rev. Michael Clayton Harris, co-host of the Red & Rev. Sports Show, attended a recent Braves game at Truist Park, he sat in a crowd of overwhelmingly White fans in a predominantly White suburb while a soundtrack of mostly rock and country music played over the sound system.
"When you go to the game, it has a Trump feel to it with the fan base," says Harris, who is a pastor at Acts of Faith Baptist Church in Decatur, a suburb of Atlanta. "It felt weird for the simple fact that I remember when the stands had a lot more Black people, and a lot more were enticed to games because they had more representation."
I’m not even sure this checks with the actual demographics of the fan base:
But when the Rev. Michael Clayton Harris, co-host of the Red & Rev. Sports Show, attended a recent Braves game at Truist Park, he sat in a crowd of overwhelmingly White fans in a predominantly White suburb while a soundtrack of mostly rock and country music played over the sound system.
"When you go to the game, it has a Trump feel to it with the fan base," says Harris, who is a pastor at Acts of Faith Baptist Church in Decatur, a suburb of Atlanta. "It felt weird for the simple fact that I remember when the stands had a lot more Black people, and a lot more were enticed to games because they had more representation."
I’m not even sure this checks with the actual demographics of the fan base:
Having lived in Metro Atlanta for 27 years, in my experience winning drives attendance and the economics with all of the professional sports franchises more so than venue or location. Put a losing product on the field and Braves attendance will drop like a lead balloon.
As someone who goes to the games and lives in the city, his sentiment is one that I agree with as well.It’s hard to believe they published this:
But when the Rev. Michael Clayton Harris, co-host of the Red & Rev. Sports Show, attended a recent Braves game at Truist Park, he sat in a crowd of overwhelmingly White fans in a predominantly White suburb while a soundtrack of mostly rock and country music played over the sound system.
"When you go to the game, it has a Trump feel to it with the fan base," says Harris, who is a pastor at Acts of Faith Baptist Church in Decatur, a suburb of Atlanta. "It felt weird for the simple fact that I remember when the stands had a lot more Black people, and a lot more were enticed to games because they had more representation."
I’m not even sure this checks with the actual demographics of the fan base:
Just one of those things you are gonna have to trust rather than a poll.
"Lets go Brandon" chants and signs aint happening at Hawks, Atlanta United, or Falcons games.
Well I mean the majority of the Braves crowd on tv looks really white. If you look at the exit polls of the recent presidential election and Senate election republicans won around 70% of the white vote in Georgia. So if the majority of fans at Braves games are white it’s probably going to have a Trump feel to it.
"All white people are racist"...that's not calling a spade a spade, that's called being an ignorant, hypocritical jackass.
The spades have no problem being called spades, as long as it's truthful. Saying things like "I'm proud to be an American", or "America is the GOAT" are perfectly acceptable examples of that. When a club tries to claim that it's a diamond, the club should be called a club.
Want to piss off a conservative, lie to him. Want to piss off a liberal, tell him the truth.
I've been going to Braves games for 20 years, and I haven't noticed a shift in the demographics of the attendees. It still looks and feels the same from the counting noses perspective. The ticket base is the same. Now certainly, win and the 40k crowd reflects the community. Lose and the 20k crowd reflects the more white corporate nature of the ticket holders. I have noticed that the demographics of the ushers and concession workers have certainly changed and mimic more of the north Atl/south Cobb more than just downtown.
I don't think its the Braves that have become more "Trumpian" its that politics now overtly permeate everything. My office had Hawks and Falcons tickets for years and no "Lets go Brandon" would never be heard there. Certainly I was a minority in my look and politics at the Hawks, but it never was an issue before. But if you want to be honest, there "Anti-Trumpian" feel to those that wasn't there 10 years ago. This CNN article could have easily been written in reverse during the 2021 playoffs that "white conservative men not welcome" . Unfortunately, we can't just high five with a fan wearing the same colors anymore.
I high fived plenty of people who were Trump people in Game 3 of the World Series. Didnt stop me from going to the game or being happy even if they had to make their presence known.
Wish I could have been there for that one. I had the option of our tickets, but we had a close friend playing his Sr Night last home football game. Hopefully the Braves in the WS isn't "once in a lifetime" thing or another 20 year wait.
I'm sure Sat night had more blatant politics than Friday (or really any game) since Trump for whatever reason went to that game.
People doing political cheers, especially vulgar ones, at sporting events is incredibly lame. On the other hand, I don’t think looking around and seeing white people, or hearing rock or country music at a game, means it has a “Trumpian feel.” That just sounds like somebody who isn’t comfortable unless things are specifically tailored to their tastes.
@TheValley91 , it’s kind of bizarre that you’d even know who was “Trump people” at a World Series game almost a year after the guy left office ignominiously. But I suppose that’s where we are.
*let me also add that MLB is as responsible as anybody for any politicization that’s happened because of their ASG fiasco. It’s great that they’re having to play all the WS games in GA and TX, though.
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But wait.....didn't Georgia vote for Biden CNN? Or did they?
It's time for ESPN to move from non-sports opinions.Yea this was the ESPN headliner yesterday:
It's time for the Atlanta Braves to move on from the chop
In an age when other franchises are dropping offensive names, logos and rituals, the chop lives on in Atlanta. When will the Braves see the light -- or baseball step in?www.espn.com
That's probably true. So why didn't ATL do anything about the awful surroundings of Turner Field?
I'm not in ATL, but from an outsider's perspective, it would sure seem more attractive to attend a game with a shorter commute, less traffic, nicer surroundings, etc.
It wasn't the Braves' obligation to choose a worse option for their franchise just to support a municipality. It was the municipality's job to support a franchise that - as you say - brought a financial and emotional boost to its residents.
You are right. You arent from Atlanta and have no sense of the city.
The place they put it has horrible traffic. And its surroundings is Cobb Pkwy. Not exactly some area to be proud of.
They could have easily built the battery where Turner is now. Georgia state has seen the value in the area where Turner is and has invested mightly. The beltline mixed with the braves still being in Atlanta would have been exponentially better than Cobb will offer long term.
The Braves (Liberty Media) can look at it as not their responsibility. But that is a tough look when Arthur Blank spends hundreds of millions of his own money to build a new stadium and then invest hundreds of millions in the surrounding area to help bring it up.
But sure side with the corporate entity that does a backroom deal behind Cobb County residents back for 670 million dollars. After all your complaining over taxes, odd for you to side with that.
They did when you look at the exit polls he hit 30% of the white vote in the state of Georgia and if a democrat hits 30% of the white vote they will win statewide in the state of Georgia. In the senate races they actually won with 28% of the white vote thanks to Trump suppressing the republican vote plus amazing turnout among voters of color. For future elections all you need to do is look at exit polls if the national exit poll has Democrats at 40% or higher with whites nationally they are going to win and the further below 40% the more likely Republicans will win. Simple math and demographics oh and Biden hit 41%. Take North Carolina for example Democrats need to be at 35% white vote to win statewide Biden hit 33% and lost. Feel free to ask if you have questions about why a candidate won or lost an individual state I will be happy to explain.
That's pretty dumb take. Completely wrong on media. Opinion writers / hosts, yes. But they're paid millions to appeal to certain types of listeners and say what gets them ad dollars. And so majority is always right? We should just do what the majority wants? I don't think you'll like the outcome of that. Representatives are supposed to look at what's right for everyone, even minorities.
The usual suspects are now backtracking, and trying to ride the fence. Who didn’t see this coming?
“Growing problem” as if he wasn’t the conductor aboard the outrage train last president
hilarious
I think you are overthinking this. Corporate media has 1 goal. Make money. Division and outrage culture is a way to get there.
MSM makes money by keeping people dialed in.
The most effective way to do that is to polarize.
A polarized community will continue to watch more news of their particular camp.
It is THE way to get there and stay there.
I’m not overthinking this at all. There are plenty of ways to make money. They’ve chosen to maximize their profits over serving the public. That’s why I’m stating as such.
CNN used to serve information to the public decades ago. Now they feed propaganda just like FOX and MSNBC have done all along.
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