Buffalo Bills WR Cole Beasley Speaks Out about NFL Rules for Vaccinations.

[1Clemzunfan]

Good for him to stand up for what he believes is a unknown shot that can potentially harm him not only now but in his future. If the NFL mandates that they get the shot or they don’t play, so be it. We all have to make that decision whether it’s with work or being with family members that don’t want us around. They are trying to divide our country and put poison in our bodies. My opinion. My choice. I choose to take Health Supplements and keep my body in condition that will keep me from having compromising health issues.

You are convinced the vaccines are "poison", yet you said you take health supplements that the FDA doesn't even verify contain what they say they contain, not to mention they do not validate their efficacy or health claims in any controlled trials? Please help me reconcile that. The clinical testing of these vaccines is enormous and extensive, far more than your supplements. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm legitimately just trying to understand the thought process with people like yourself.

I'm not against health supplements or the vaccines. I think the MRNA vaccines are very safe and I advise everyone to get one of those two. I know much, much, much more about what is in an MRNA vaccine and it efficacy than I do the health supplements I take. Many health supplements have been randomly tested by private labs and shown to contain bacteria, heavy metals, not to mention they sometimes don't even contain the ingredients shown on the label. CvS recently did theirnown study and had to remove 7% of their health supplements because they failed. Its almost 100% the honor system with supplements, but people trust them and take them. Also, the known potential side effects of every supplement I take are more significant than those documented with the MRNA vaccines.

I just can't reconcile the logic here and am trying to understand. We all want to get this COVID crap behind us and these vaccines are the ticket to that. I guarantee I can find something in almost every single persons medicine cabinet, whether an Rx or supplement, that has undergone less real life clinical testing, and has more listed side effects than these MRNA vaccines.

 

[StSimonsIslandTiger]

Which way do you think the doctors lean? Any guesses on %vaccination amongst MDs? I’d bet it’s pretty high

96% of US physicians are currently fully vaccinated.

 

[tigerworx]

oh look….now, republicans are okay with saying my body my choice.

sick

 

[IMBlessed]

Oh look. Democrats are Ok with tyranny.

So Sen. McConnell is A Democrat!?

 

[1Clemzunfan]

Holler @ me whenever your boss requires you to drink a 12 Oz mixture of unknown fluid every morning in order to enter at 8AM.

Poor analogy. If your drink had been given to hundreds of millions of people, undergone extensive clinical testing, and was approved by the FDA for distribution and my not drinking it could lead to me making my fellow staff very ill, and possibly jeopardize our ability to meet production demands, I would. Basically, it would be like asking me to drink a Coke to protect the health of my coworkers and maintain the viability of my employer. Actually, a drink equivalent to an MRNA vaccine would be more extensively tested, have FDA clearance and have less side effects than a Coke. So, easy choice.

 

[tgrharley]

While I 100% agree with his statement, he had a higher risk getting Hep C from that tattoo than having a negative effect from the vaccine.

Dr. Fauci that you? No flame but with less than 6 months of data, how the heck can you categorically say that? BTW, I am vaccinnated.

 

[DW4_2016]

Doctors used to lean toward blood letting and leaches. Did that make them right then or uneducated?

wow. well, i agree that bloodletting isn't as frequently used now, it is still used. 'leaches' too. we have now come up with better techniques though. cool things called vaccines. amazing stuff like penicillin and viagra. it's amazing what medical science can do.

it's almost as amazing that some people still know more than they do because they got an A in calculus or read it on the internet.

 

[92TigerME]

Poor analogy. If your drink had been given to hundreds of millions of people, undergone extensive clinical testing, and was approved by the FDA for distribution and my not drinking it could lead to me making my fellow staff very ill, and possibly jeopardize our ability to meet production demands, I would. Basically, it would be like asking me to drink a Coke to protect the health of my coworkers and maintain the viability of my employer. Actually, a drink equivalent to an MRNA vaccine would be more extensively tested, have FDA clearance and have less side effects than a Coke. So, easy choice.

Not buying the argument that others will be hurt by some not getting vaccinated. That's a lie.

 

[coop#]

96% of US physicians are currently fully vaccinated.

But its the 4% that gets it

 

[92TigerME]

wow. well, i agree that bloodletting isn't as frequently used now, it is still used. 'leaches' too. we have now come up with better techniques though. cool things called vaccines. amazing stuff like penicillin and viagra. it's amazing what medical science can do.

it's almost as amazing that some people still know more than they do because they got an A in calculus or read it on the internet.

Do you know what warm and cold antibodies do to your red blood cell count and what part the spleen has in all that?

No

Have you heard of hemolytic anemia?

No

If you had it, would you get vaccinated?

Well. You probably would.

Good luck finding the right blood donner.

 

[DW4_2016]

Do you know what warm and cold antibodies do to your red blood cell count and what part the spleen has in all that?

No

Have you heard of hemolytic anemia?

No

If you had it, would you get vaccinated?

Well. You probably would.

Good luck finding the right blood donner.

math you got. spelling is where you lose it.

 

[bwhwc]

All the NFL players who don’t want the vaccine should kneel during the National Anthem in protest.

 

[92TigerME]

math you got. spelling is where you lose it.

You spell just as bad as I do. Which word did I get wrong?

 

[tigers_and_valves]

I truly don't understand that if everyone who is concerned about getting Covid gets vaccinated, what's the problem with other people not?

 

[Esso Porch]

Do you know what warm and cold antibodies do to your red blood cell count and what part the spleen has in all that?

No

Have you heard of hemolytic anemia?

No

If you had it, would you get vaccinated?

Well. You probably would.

Good luck finding the right blood donner.

Tough to find a good blood donner these days

 

[DW4_2016]

You spell just as bad as I do. Which word did I get wrong?

does this picture mean anything to you?

 

[RoyalBengal25]

Yea he’s an idiot too.

Bills should just cut him. He’s free to go find gainful employment elsewhere. I’m sure he can find a job working somewhere where they don’t require employees take vaccines.

 

[firegiver]

You are convinced the vaccines are "poison", yet you take health supplements that the FDA doesn't even verify contain what they say they contain, not to mention they do not validate their efficacy or health claims in any controlled trials? Please help me reconcile that. The clinical testing of these vaccines is enormous and extensive, far more than your supplements. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm legitimately just trying to understand the thought process with people like yourself.

I'm not against health supplements or the vaccines. I think the MRNA vaccines are very safe and I advise everyone to get one of those two. I know much, much, much more about what is in an MRNA vaccine and it efficacy than I do the health supplements I take. Many health supplements have been randomly tested by private labs and shown to contain bacteria, heavy metals, not to mention they sometimes don't even contain the ingredients shown on the label. CvS recently did theirnown study and had to remove 7% of their health supplements because they failed. Its almost 100% the honor system with supplements, but people trust them and take them. Also, the known potential side effects of every supplement I take are more significant than those documented with the MRNA vaccines.

I just can't reconcile the logic here and am trying to understand. We all want to get this COVID crap behind us and these vaccines are the ticket to that. I guarantee I can find something in almost every single persons medicine cabinet, whether an Rx or supplement, that has undergone less real life clinical testing, and has more listed side effects than these MRNA vaccines.

Its just a modern day embarrassment in America that social media has allowed fools to fool others. Flat earthers and their popularity are evidence of that. How many NFL players have we laughed at here because they believe they are reptiles or flat earthers? It doesn't matter what evidence you show some people, they are so emotionally invested they would never change their mind, because their identity is so reliant on their opinions. Fragile as it may be.

 

[trich24]

Bills should just cut him. He’s free to go find gainful employment elsewhere. I’m sure he can find a job working somewhere where they don’t require employees take vaccines.

Precisely. If he doesn’t like the rules in the NFL he should go trying to work somewhere else and see how that works out.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Doctors used to lean toward blood letting and leaches. Did that make them right then or uneducated?

Our Doctors now just know better. It's not like they're similar to teachers and have someone telling them what to do. After all, it's not like they're employed by someone higher than them. I'm sure they have the freedom to practice how they want without any backlash.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Still can't for the life of me understand why a vaccinated person cares if someone isn't vaccinated. It's not like you're protected either. I mean, that's what we're finding out. Why so worried about them?

In fact, you're going to need a booster here shortly. Even if you have the antibodies, they still say you need the vaccine and then a booster after that, lol.

But let's pretend China didn't do this on Purpose.... it was all an accident. Dang those Bats! Somehow, we'll blame Russia.

 

[92TigerME]

Bills should just cut him. He’s free to go find gainful employment elsewhere. I’m sure he can find a job working somewhere where they don’t require employees take vaccines.

Easy for you to say. You don't have a job.

 

[orangedreamweaver]

I've had the single shot J&J, both Moderna shots and my 1st shot of Pfizer and I feel great. This country is full of poosies on both sides of the aisle.

 

[CouldBeDabo]

Same folks. same topic. different thread.

Really pretty surprised one of you hasn’t converted someone else to whatever side you’re on. Really surprised.

 

[92TigerME]

I've had the single shot J&J, both Moderna shots and my 1st shot of Pfizer and I feel great. This country is full of poosies on both sides of the aisle.

Some people can't have shots. There are a lot of antibodies going around now. It's difficult to find the right blood type for infusion for those that have hemolytic anemia. My wife nearly died several times from that.

 

[92TigerME]

Same folks. same topic. different thread.

Really pretty surprised one of you hasn’t converted someone else to whatever side you’re on. Really surprised.

It's like soccer. There is a penalty shootout after the thread gets moved to the round table.

 

[orangedreamweaver]

Some people can't have shots. There are a lot of antibodies going around now. It's difficult to find the right blood type for infusion for those that have hemolytic anemia. My wife nearly died several times from that.

I get that. And of course those folks shouldn't be made to feel bad about not getting a vaccine shot or whatever. I personally feel like most people should get a vaccine but I'm not going to shove my politics down another's throat. It's true no one can know the long term effects of the vaccine but it's also true that no one can know the long term effects of contracting a bad case of Covid. It's lose/lose in a lot of people's minds. We as a group/nation have to get over the fear of it- that's my main objective.

 

[dbjork6317]

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Wow what a communist, supporting further expansion of employee rights and limiting what private employers can require of their employees. I bet he supports unions too.

 

[OTR/Tiger]

Well, both risks are miniscule, but just google Hep C and tattoos. There have been a number of peer reviewed journal articles with the increased risk of Hep C and the correlation to tattoos.


And its the top reason that tattoo artists are highly regulated to weed out the bad ones.

Apples and oranges...tattoos have been around for decades with plenty of data. Covid and now this vaccination, that has the biggest marketing gig behind it ever, all under 18 months. Still needs more data for the side effects which usually shows much later.

 

[DW4_2016]

does this picture mean anything to you?

@92TigerME so, i guess that's a no?

 

[92TigerME]

Wow what a communist, supporting further expansion of employee rights and limiting what private employers can require of their employees. I bet he supports unions too.

Employee discrimination has been illegal for some time now. Are you going full blown libertarian on me? Are you saying that companies should be able to choose not to hire people based on their race or gender?

I think you are using this argument against me because you know I'm libertarian. The problem with this argument is that it ignores the coercion that the government is using to get the NFL and NCAA to pass these rules because I doubt they care about this other than being allowed to hold games which the government has something to say about that.

Note. This is a draft until DW4_2016 has time to spell check this for me.

 

[92TigerME]

@92TigerME so, i guess that's a no?

Tell me. I thought it might be Billy the Kid's parents or something.

 

[Essolover4]

Will this unknown fluid provide me with glorious gains in my deltoids and lats?

No but it might make your Vulva swell........

 

[92TigerME]

When governments and private businesses begin to act in concert and move in lockstep, we risk bringing George Orwell’s 1984 into reality. There’s a name for this, a term we’ve heard screamed from the rooftops throughout Donald Trump’s tenure in politics.

Fascism

https://fee.org/articles/why-the-th...m_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=2021_FEEDotOrg

 

[castlesl]

I told my boss that I wasn’t a fan of him making me come in at 8am and I wasn’t applauded. This is unfair

I call BS, you don’t have a job.

 

[castlesl]

You are convinced the vaccines are "poison", yet you said you take health supplements that the FDA doesn't even verify contain what they say they contain, not to mention they do not validate their efficacy or health claims in any controlled trials? Please help me reconcile that. The clinical testing of these vaccines is enormous and extensive, far more than your supplements. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm legitimately just trying to understand the thought process with people like yourself.

I'm not against health supplements or the vaccines. I think the MRNA vaccines are very safe and I advise everyone to get one of those two. I know much, much, much more about what is in an MRNA vaccine and it efficacy than I do the health supplements I take. Many health supplements have been randomly tested by private labs and shown to contain bacteria, heavy metals, not to mention they sometimes don't even contain the ingredients shown on the label. CvS recently did theirnown study and had to remove 7% of their health supplements because they failed. Its almost 100% the honor system with supplements, but people trust them and take them. Also, the known potential side effects of every supplement I take are more significant than those documented with the MRNA vaccines.

I just can't reconcile the logic here and am trying to understand. We all want to get this COVID crap behind us and these vaccines are the ticket to that. I guarantee I can find something in almost every single persons medicine cabinet, whether an Rx or supplement, that has undergone less real life clinical testing, and has more listed side effects than these MRNA vaccines.

TIME - I want to wait to make sure that things pan out. I want more time to pass to make sure the ones who have gotten it don’t all the sudden have issues pop up.

The FDA spends many years approving vaccines and medicines. While there was work being done prior to the current virus, the bulk of this work was rushed and their were billions waiting for the lucky few to win the race. Those are facts.

So we give a huge financial incentive and short clock and then they tell us don’t worry it will be fine. It well may be, but you are a fool if you don’t think those are ingredients for a disaster.

The hubris of man is that they believe more often than not that the are infallible, that the systems they put in place will prevent error. By and large systems to prevent error come from making those very errors at some point. This thing was rushed, you can’t deny it wasn’t. Steps were altered to expedite the time line.

I am not anti-vax but I understand that the human heart is very ccorruptible, people look the other way and don’t speak up when large sums of money are in store for them. Something becomes “good enough” and it can come back to bite you. It happens every day and the medical community is not an exception.




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[RoyalBengal25]

Easy for you to say. You don't have a job.

Guilty. You got me.

Cole better go get that vaccine or he won’t have one too.

 

[saber8689]

Doctors used to lean toward blood letting and leaches. Did that make them right then or uneducated?

Both of these techniques are still used today (albeit not as prevelant). There are still distinct medical uses for leaches and blood letting.

 

[TheValley91]

TIME - I want to wait to make sure that things pan out. I want more time to pass to make sure the ones who have gotten it don’t all the sudden have issues pop up.

The FDA spends many years approving vaccines and medicines. While there was work being done prior to the current virus, the bulk of this work was rushed and their were billions waiting for the lucky few to win the race. Those are facts.

So we give a huge financial incentive and short clock and then they tell us don’t worry it will be fine. It well may be, but you are a fool if you don’t think those are ingredients for a disaster.

The hubris of man is that they believe more often than not that the are infallible, that the systems they put in place will prevent error. By and large systems to prevent error come from making those very errors at some point. This thing was rushed, you can’t deny it wasn’t. Steps were altered to expedite the time line.

I am not anti-vax but I understand that the human heart is very ccorruptible, people look the other way and don’t speak up when large sums of money are in store for them. Something becomes “good enough” and it can come back to bite you. It happens every day and the medical community is not an exception.




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Yeah I think you should educate yourself more about why and how this vaccine was able to move through trials quicker than other vaccines.

Secondly, you should also do some reading about how vaccines work and when side effects are seen.

Lastly, I expect you to do neither of these things because its been almost 8 months since the rollout has begun and you are still spouting off lazy rhetoric.

 

[saber8689]

Dr. Fauci that you? No flame but with less than 6 months of data, how the heck can you categorically say that? BTW, I am vaccinnated.

Phase 3 trials for Pfizer started on July 27th, 2020. The first vaccines in phase 1 were given to patients in mid march 2020.

I wonder when people will stop claiming there is less than 6 months of data. Maybe 2025?