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If you envision your college sports team taking the next leap into professional sports status, California is your kind of state. If this law is passed and then begins to permeate through the rest of the country (like NIL did), you can see how quickly college sports become professional sports with collective bargaining and all the fun associated with your favorite professional team. To me, this would be the final nail that will force all schools to determine whether they want to play in the professional pool, or cut the top off all of our upper decks and revert back to the original model of non-professional teams playing schools that opt out.

Perhaps Lex Luther's plan for California (in the very old '78 Superman movie) wasn't such a bad idea.........

California could lead another charge in college athlete pay with its latest proposed bill
California sparked the birth of NIL money for athletes; now the state could take it a step further

Dan Wetzel, January 19, 2023

In 2019, California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing.

Lawmakers from across the political spectrum in states all over the country quickly followed suit and passed their own bills. Courts upheld the legislation and NIL is now a major, if evolving, part of college athletics.

“California has been very effective at putting forth trailblazing legislation,” state Assembly member Chris Holden said. “It makes sense and then catches on around the country.”

Well, California is back, this time with Holden, who serves Pasadena and spoke Thursday in front of the famed Rose Bowl, sponsoring a law that promises an even bolder change to how college sports operates.

The College Athlete Protection Act will begin working its way through committees with optimism among backers that it can find its way to Newsom’s desk this fall and be signed. (A similar bill failed last year).

CAPA takes a direct shot at the NCAA’s long-standing amateurism model by requiring schools to share profits from specific programs with its athletes, particularly those who graduate.

The bill requires schools to share up to 50% of revenue with athletes who compete in programs that bring in twice as much in revenue as they spend on athletic scholarships.

At many places this would include only football and men’s basketball, although women’s basketball, gymnastics, ice hockey, volleyball and other sports can reach that threshold at certain schools.

Current student-athletes' pay would be capped at $25,000 per year while they're in school, but colleges would be required to set aside an equally divided 50% of revenue annually to be paid out upon completion of a degree within six years. At major football programs, such as USC, that could equal about $200,000 a year per player — or $800,000 for a four-year career, according to some estimates.

Part of what doomed the bill last year were concerns that by paying football and basketball players, athletic departments would lack the resources to continue to fund scholarships or even entire teams in non-profitable sports. This time, to prevent such cuts, there is a second funding option.

A school that sees an increase in revenue — even a small amount — can allocate 50% of the so-called “new money” to pay the athletes in those sports. This would likely result in far less money for athletes, if any at all, but it's still considered progress

It is also the way, proponents argue, that existing budgets aren’t strained to the point of pulling back opportunities for others. USC and UCLA, for example, are about to enter the Big Ten Conference where millions in new money is awaiting. That increase in revenue could save those schools money under the new bill.

“Even though it won't make the athletes whole, it will represent progress for those athletes,” said Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player and now president of the National Collegiate Players Association.

The bill also calls for a three-year ban for any athletic director who cuts teams or scholarships under these circumstances.

There are additional provisions and CAPA could be beefed up or stripped down as it goes through the legislative process.

If it were to pass, it will likely be duplicated by other states, if only out of competitiveness. After the NIL bill passed in 2019, there was a fear that California schools would enjoy a significant recruiting advantage — why not go play where you can earn more than just a scholarship?

States began to match or even write more forgiving laws in an effort to outdo not just California, but states with rival programs. Others have sat it out and watched as the NCAA has been essentially powerless to stop all kinds of payments to players and recruits. Public sentiment has quickly swung against the NCAA and amateurism.

CAPA may be slightly less pronounced of an advantage. NIL opportunities anywhere can offset the graduation payment, which in and of itself is a delayed payout that may not hold the recruiting sway of an immediate deal.

That said, it is a full-throttle attack on the concept of amateurism, which the NCAA has clung to long after other international sports organizations, most notably the Olympics, have given up. This would feature schools making direct payments to players — an addition to scholarships, academic awards and Pell Grants that are already allowed.

Back in 2019, many in college sports ignored the actions of the California Assembly, only to see its impact quickly sweep over football and basketball. No one should make the same mistake this time.

Precisely how this will play out isn’t known, but if it passes as some expect it, college sports will be forever altered, perhaps significantly.
 
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If you envision your college sports team taking the next leap into professional sports status, California is your kind of state. If this law is passed and then begins to permeate through the rest of the country (like NIL did), you can see how quickly college sports become professional sports with collective bargaining and all the fun associated with your favorite professional team. To me, this would be the final nail that will force all schools to determine whether they want to play in the professional pool, or cut the top off all of our upper decks and revert back to the original model of non-professional teams playing schools that opt out.

Perhaps Lex Luther's plan for California (in the very old '78 Superman movie) wasn't such a bad idea.........

California could lead another charge in college athlete pay with its latest proposed bill
California sparked the birth of NIL money for athletes; now the state could take it a step further

Dan Wetzel, January 19, 2023

In 2019, California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing.

Lawmakers from across the political spectrum in states all over the country quickly followed suit and passed their own bills. Courts upheld the legislation and NIL is now a major, if evolving, part of college athletics.

“California has been very effective at putting forth trailblazing legislation,” state Assembly member Chris Holden said. “It makes sense and then catches on around the country.”

Well, California is back, this time with Holden, who serves Pasadena and spoke Thursday in front of the famed Rose Bowl, sponsoring a law that promises an even bolder change to how college sports operates.

The College Athlete Protection Act will begin working its way through committees with optimism among backers that it can find its way to Newsom’s desk this fall and be signed. (A similar bill failed last year).

CAPA takes a direct shot at the NCAA’s long-standing amateurism model by requiring schools to share profits from specific programs with its athletes, particularly those who graduate.

The bill requires schools to share up to 50% of revenue with athletes who compete in programs that bring in twice as much in revenue as they spend on athletic scholarships.

At many places this would include only football and men’s basketball, although women’s basketball, gymnastics, ice hockey, volleyball and other sports can reach that threshold at certain schools.

Current student-athletes' pay would be capped at $25,000 per year while they're in school, but colleges would be required to set aside an equally divided 50% of revenue annually to be paid out upon completion of a degree within six years. At major football programs, such as USC, that could equal about $200,000 a year per player — or $800,000 for a four-year career, according to some estimates.

Part of what doomed the bill last year were concerns that by paying football and basketball players, athletic departments would lack the resources to continue to fund scholarships or even entire teams in non-profitable sports. This time, to prevent such cuts, there is a second funding option.

A school that sees an increase in revenue — even a small amount — can allocate 50% of the so-called “new money” to pay the athletes in those sports. This would likely result in far less money for athletes, if any at all, but it's still considered progress

It is also the way, proponents argue, that existing budgets aren’t strained to the point of pulling back opportunities for others. USC and UCLA, for example, are about to enter the Big Ten Conference where millions in new money is awaiting. That increase in revenue could save those schools money under the new bill.

“Even though it won't make the athletes whole, it will represent progress for those athletes,” said Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player and now president of the National Collegiate Players Association.

The bill also calls for a three-year ban for any athletic director who cuts teams or scholarships under these circumstances.

There are additional provisions and CAPA could be beefed up or stripped down as it goes through the legislative process.

If it were to pass, it will likely be duplicated by other states, if only out of competitiveness. After the NIL bill passed in 2019, there was a fear that California schools would enjoy a significant recruiting advantage — why not go play where you can earn more than just a scholarship?

States began to match or even write more forgiving laws in an effort to outdo not just California, but states with rival programs. Others have sat it out and watched as the NCAA has been essentially powerless to stop all kinds of payments to players and recruits. Public sentiment has quickly swung against the NCAA and amateurism.

CAPA may be slightly less pronounced of an advantage. NIL opportunities anywhere can offset the graduation payment, which in and of itself is a delayed payout that may not hold the recruiting sway of an immediate deal.

That said, it is a full-throttle attack on the concept of amateurism, which the NCAA has clung to long after other international sports organizations, most notably the Olympics, have given up. This would feature schools making direct payments to players — an addition to scholarships, academic awards and Pell Grants that are already allowed.

Back in 2019, many in college sports ignored the actions of the California Assembly, only to see its impact quickly sweep over football and basketball. No one should make the same mistake this time.

Precisely how this will play out isn’t known, but if it passes as some expect it, college sports will be forever altered, perhaps significantly.
You’re saying “California at it again” as if the Supreme Court hasn’t signaled that they are ready to blow NCAA amateurism out of the water. Justice Kavanaugh outright stated that if the case came before the court he believes college athletes should be treated as employees.

This isn’t a California thing. Pretty much everyone outside of college football traditionalists believe these guys should be getting paid. California is just ahead of the curve on this issue.
 
I ain’t reading all that shit give a summary man

Here's a summary. California has massive infrastructure issues, massive water problems, massive power challenges, massive homeless crisis in their major cities, massive education problems, massive budget problems, massive health care issues, massive problems with people moving out of their state, challenges with representation of all viewpoints in their state and I could go on for about an hour. But instead, they're worried about revenue sport athletes getting paid. That's California these days, they are the state that specializes in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Everyone needs a fair view of the entirely avoidable apocalypse.
 
All of this is so one sided. I still do not understand how congress , government etc can just pass this stuff and then spend zero time or resources governing it. There has to be checks and balances. For instance ,trade market. Why not ? The player can leave whenever he wants now with no penalty can trade himself to anywhere he wants to the detriment of a roster. We are pretty loaded at dt right now. Would love to trade one for an established de.

I’m not actually in favor of this but if we are going to make it straight up professional then we might as well go all in. If schools give 25 percent of the profit from football to players you can kiss goodbye to every other sport being on scholarship. Every non profitable sport in the country would be cut. The NCAA isn’t governing nil bc they got off easy. The players are getting paid and it’s not coming from the schools pockets. It’s a win win for organizations. You start taking money from the actual school etc you can officially forget about any sport other than football being played at the collegiate level.
 
If you envision your college sports team taking the next leap into professional sports status, California is your kind of state. If this law is passed and then begins to permeate through the rest of the country (like NIL did), you can see how quickly college sports become professional sports with collective bargaining and all the fun associated with your favorite professional team. To me, this would be the final nail that will force all schools to determine whether they want to play in the professional pool, or cut the top off all of our upper decks and revert back to the original model of non-professional teams playing schools that opt out.

Perhaps Lex Luther's plan for California (in the very old '78 Superman movie) wasn't such a bad idea.........

California could lead another charge in college athlete pay with its latest proposed bill
California sparked the birth of NIL money for athletes; now the state could take it a step further

Dan Wetzel, January 19, 2023

In 2019, California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing.

Lawmakers from across the political spectrum in states all over the country quickly followed suit and passed their own bills. Courts upheld the legislation and NIL is now a major, if evolving, part of college athletics.

“California has been very effective at putting forth trailblazing legislation,” state Assembly member Chris Holden said. “It makes sense and then catches on around the country.”

Well, California is back, this time with Holden, who serves Pasadena and spoke Thursday in front of the famed Rose Bowl, sponsoring a law that promises an even bolder change to how college sports operates.

The College Athlete Protection Act will begin working its way through committees with optimism among backers that it can find its way to Newsom’s desk this fall and be signed. (A similar bill failed last year).

CAPA takes a direct shot at the NCAA’s long-standing amateurism model by requiring schools to share profits from specific programs with its athletes, particularly those who graduate.

The bill requires schools to share up to 50% of revenue with athletes who compete in programs that bring in twice as much in revenue as they spend on athletic scholarships.

At many places this would include only football and men’s basketball, although women’s basketball, gymnastics, ice hockey, volleyball and other sports can reach that threshold at certain schools.

Current student-athletes' pay would be capped at $25,000 per year while they're in school, but colleges would be required to set aside an equally divided 50% of revenue annually to be paid out upon completion of a degree within six years. At major football programs, such as USC, that could equal about $200,000 a year per player — or $800,000 for a four-year career, according to some estimates.

Part of what doomed the bill last year were concerns that by paying football and basketball players, athletic departments would lack the resources to continue to fund scholarships or even entire teams in non-profitable sports. This time, to prevent such cuts, there is a second funding option.

A school that sees an increase in revenue — even a small amount — can allocate 50% of the so-called “new money” to pay the athletes in those sports. This would likely result in far less money for athletes, if any at all, but it's still considered progress

It is also the way, proponents argue, that existing budgets aren’t strained to the point of pulling back opportunities for others. USC and UCLA, for example, are about to enter the Big Ten Conference where millions in new money is awaiting. That increase in revenue could save those schools money under the new bill.

“Even though it won't make the athletes whole, it will represent progress for those athletes,” said Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player and now president of the National Collegiate Players Association.

The bill also calls for a three-year ban for any athletic director who cuts teams or scholarships under these circumstances.

There are additional provisions and CAPA could be beefed up or stripped down as it goes through the legislative process.

If it were to pass, it will likely be duplicated by other states, if only out of competitiveness. After the NIL bill passed in 2019, there was a fear that California schools would enjoy a significant recruiting advantage — why not go play where you can earn more than just a scholarship?

States began to match or even write more forgiving laws in an effort to outdo not just California, but states with rival programs. Others have sat it out and watched as the NCAA has been essentially powerless to stop all kinds of payments to players and recruits. Public sentiment has quickly swung against the NCAA and amateurism.

CAPA may be slightly less pronounced of an advantage. NIL opportunities anywhere can offset the graduation payment, which in and of itself is a delayed payout that may not hold the recruiting sway of an immediate deal.

That said, it is a full-throttle attack on the concept of amateurism, which the NCAA has clung to long after other international sports organizations, most notably the Olympics, have given up. This would feature schools making direct payments to players — an addition to scholarships, academic awards and Pell Grants that are already allowed.

Back in 2019, many in college sports ignored the actions of the California Assembly, only to see its impact quickly sweep over football and basketball. No one should make the same mistake this time.

Precisely how this will play out isn’t known, but if it passes as some expect it, college sports will be forever altered, perhaps significantly.
Why don't they extend that to the students as well? Split the revenue the school makes with them too since their existence leads to inventions, notoriety, grants, publicity, economic prosperity, etc. If the football program is a "business" with "employees"....so too is the school itself in a sense.

I mean...without the students/alumni/boosters then there just as reasonably wouldn't even be a football program (or fill in the sport), right? Or is the state of CA trying to convince everyone that college football just organically appeared out of thin air and now after-the-fact it suddenly requires some 50% split of revenue...or profit (the article flip flops on that item) in order to justify itself as fair? Let's not discriminate here by any means. Let's share the wealth with everyone, right?

Better yet, why not have every company based in CA split the revenue/profit at 50% across everyone "employed" there during a full year? Not much difference if folks want to truly commit to this line of thinking.
 
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I ain’t reading all that shit give a summary man
TL;DR: The players will make 50% of what the school makes if the number the school makes is greater than price of scholarships for a team. Players can't make more than $25k a year. Any money beyond that will be put into a trust/account that is given up graduation within 6 years.
 
All of this is so one sided. I still do not understand how congress , government etc can just pass this stuff and then spend zero time or resources governing it. There has to be checks and balances. For instance ,trade market. Why not ? The player can leave whenever he wants now with no penalty can trace himself to anywhere he wants to the detriment of a roster. We are pretty loaded at dt right now. Would love to trade one for an established de.

I’m not actually in favor of this but if we are going to make it straight up professional then we might as well go all in. If schools give 25 percent of the profit from football to players you can kiss goodbye to every other sport being on scholarship. Every no profitable sport in the country would be cut.

They believe two things can happen with all this. One is that they will gain more popular support by giving people more money. It's become obvious that by giving people money you can earn votes which heralds the end of our country but that's a separate post entirely. The second thing is they will get more union members because all of this will eventually unionize like every sport has and that way they'll gain control it through the unions. It's all about power and money. It always is no matter who is in charge. The problem is in this country we've forgotten that those bozos need as little power as possible in every regard and it needs to always stay that way. They're often the dumbest people in the room.
 
Here's a summary. California has massive infrastructure issues, massive water problems, massive power challenges, massive homeless crisis in their major cities, massive education problems, massive budget problems, massive health care issues, massive problems with people moving out of their state, challenges with representation of all viewpoints in their state and I could go on for about an hour. But instead, they're worried about revenue sport athletes getting paid. That's California these days, they are the state that specializes in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Everyone needs a fair view of the entirely avoidable apocalypse.
They got you trained real good.
 
This proposal honestly seems fair to me.

It'll crush your non-revenue sports but that's where we are at.

Let's consider this another way. If someone approached you and said to you when you were 17 years old that they were going to offer you an opportunity to be educated and trained in the field that you are most interested in for free. That they would house you and provide everything you need for your physical and personal development including all of your food needs and entertainment needs. That you would have a place you could go and get all of this training anytime you like. That there would be a staff of over 100 people working to make sure that you got the most out of your experience with them and gained as much knowledge as was possible.

For all this they weren't going to pay you very much but you would have access to everything you need while you were there. This would equip you to go out in life and make a lot of money going forward because you would have exposure to a vast network of other graduates as well as opportunities to work at the most elite levels of your desired profession.

Now because of these efforts the people who are making this offer to you were extremely rich. They were making money hand over fist. They were making this money through the fruits of the things they were teaching you. Would it have honestly occurred to you to think that half of that is yours? Or conversely, would you just be thankful that you've had an opportunity to get such expert training and such a fantastic opportunity which is truly set you up for life?
 
Let's consider this another way. If someone approached you and said to you when you were 17 years old that they were going to offer you an opportunity to be educated and trained in the field that you are most interested in for free. That they would house you and provide everything you need for your physical and personal development including all of your food needs and entertainment needs. That you would have a place you could go and get all of this training anytime you like. That there would be a staff of over 100 people working to make sure that you got the most out of your experience with them and gained as much knowledge as was possible.

For all this they weren't going to pay you very much but you would have access to everything you need while you were there. This would equip you to go out in life and make a lot of money going forward because you would have exposure to a vast network of other graduates as well as opportunities to work at the most elite levels of your desired profession.

Now because of these efforts the people who are making this offer to you were extremely rich. They were making money hand over fist. They were making this money through the fruits of the things they were teaching you. Would it have honestly occurred to you to think that half of that is yours? Or conversely, would you just be thankful that you've had an opportunity to get such expert training and such a fantastic opportunity which is truly set you up for life?
If enough people wanted to watch me do my electrical engineering lab, yes I would want a piece of that pie too. We have teenagers making millions playing video games professionally.

When you have an elite set of skills, you should be compensated specifically as it relates to sports and entertainment.

Should Taylor Swift or the Jonas Brothers not have been compensated BEFORE they were 18 because they weren't adults? Should we not pay child actors? Should their parents start charging them rent because they put a roof over their head? This is entertainment. The entertainment industry doesn't work like other industries. Your argument honestly sucks. I get how playing for school pride and an education appeals to the older crowd.

Said another way, equate it to pro sports, because it is as far as money involved, call a scholarship and amenities league minimum. Add to it now the money the school makes on their TV deal split equally among the 85 to be league minimum. Seems reasonable.
 
Better yet, why not have every company based in CA split the revenue/profit at 50% across everyone "employed" there during a full year? Not much difference if folks want to truly commit to this line of thinking.
And how about the losses. When the company has a bad year and loses money do the employees belly up half. Sounds fair.
 
There's a reason the state of California wants players to be paid.


Any player coming into the state making money owes them taxes.

Good luck to CA schools wanting teams to play a home and home with them.

Watch players opt out of CA bowls now because they don't want to pay the taxes for going there.
 
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There's a reason the state of California wants players to be paid.


Any playing coming into the state making money owes them taxes.


Good luck to CA schools wanting teams to play a home and home with them.

Watch players opt out of CA bowls now because they don't want to pay the taxes for going there.
Bingo!

It's always disguised as genuinely looking out for YOU.
 
And how about the losses. When the company has a bad year and loses money do the employees belly up half. Sounds fair.
Love that comment.

As a business owner most of my life, there was never anyone there to say "Shucks. That's too bad. Dumb decision, huh. Cost you how much $$$? Don't worry. We'll make you whole; pay us back if you want."

Everyone wants the good, the glory .....yes, even more inocme.... without the risks or responsibility.
Wasn't ALWAYS that way, for sure.

I still cringe and the Airlines and Auto Industry bailouts, but not so much anymore.
Seeing how corrupt our 'leaders' are and how they go into office with little, yet come out mega-millionaires............yeah, thanks for your loyal service to your constituents.
 
Here's a summary. California has massive infrastructure issues, massive water problems, massive power challenges, massive homeless crisis in their major cities, massive education problems, massive budget problems, massive health care issues, massive problems with people moving out of their state, challenges with representation of all viewpoints in their state and I could go on for about an hour. But instead, they're worried about revenue sport athletes getting paid. That's California these days, they are the state that specializes in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Everyone needs a fair view of the entirely avoidable apocalypse.
Appreciate it man
 
If you envision your college sports team taking the next leap into professional sports status, California is your kind of state. If this law is passed and then begins to permeate through the rest of the country (like NIL did), you can see how quickly college sports become professional sports with collective bargaining and all the fun associated with your favorite professional team. To me, this would be the final nail that will force all schools to determine whether they want to play in the professional pool, or cut the top off all of our upper decks and revert back to the original model of non-professional teams playing schools that opt out.

Perhaps Lex Luther's plan for California (in the very old '78 Superman movie) wasn't such a bad idea.........

California could lead another charge in college athlete pay with its latest proposed bill
California sparked the birth of NIL money for athletes; now the state could take it a step further

Dan Wetzel, January 19, 2023

In 2019, California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing.

Lawmakers from across the political spectrum in states all over the country quickly followed suit and passed their own bills. Courts upheld the legislation and NIL is now a major, if evolving, part of college athletics.

“California has been very effective at putting forth trailblazing legislation,” state Assembly member Chris Holden said. “It makes sense and then catches on around the country.”

Well, California is back, this time with Holden, who serves Pasadena and spoke Thursday in front of the famed Rose Bowl, sponsoring a law that promises an even bolder change to how college sports operates.

The College Athlete Protection Act will begin working its way through committees with optimism among backers that it can find its way to Newsom’s desk this fall and be signed. (A similar bill failed last year).

CAPA takes a direct shot at the NCAA’s long-standing amateurism model by requiring schools to share profits from specific programs with its athletes, particularly those who graduate.

The bill requires schools to share up to 50% of revenue with athletes who compete in programs that bring in twice as much in revenue as they spend on athletic scholarships.

At many places this would include only football and men’s basketball, although women’s basketball, gymnastics, ice hockey, volleyball and other sports can reach that threshold at certain schools.

Current student-athletes' pay would be capped at $25,000 per year while they're in school, but colleges would be required to set aside an equally divided 50% of revenue annually to be paid out upon completion of a degree within six years. At major football programs, such as USC, that could equal about $200,000 a year per player — or $800,000 for a four-year career, according to some estimates.

Part of what doomed the bill last year were concerns that by paying football and basketball players, athletic departments would lack the resources to continue to fund scholarships or even entire teams in non-profitable sports. This time, to prevent such cuts, there is a second funding option.

A school that sees an increase in revenue — even a small amount — can allocate 50% of the so-called “new money” to pay the athletes in those sports. This would likely result in far less money for athletes, if any at all, but it's still considered progress

It is also the way, proponents argue, that existing budgets aren’t strained to the point of pulling back opportunities for others. USC and UCLA, for example, are about to enter the Big Ten Conference where millions in new money is awaiting. That increase in revenue could save those schools money under the new bill.

“Even though it won't make the athletes whole, it will represent progress for those athletes,” said Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player and now president of the National Collegiate Players Association.

The bill also calls for a three-year ban for any athletic director who cuts teams or scholarships under these circumstances.

There are additional provisions and CAPA could be beefed up or stripped down as it goes through the legislative process.

If it were to pass, it will likely be duplicated by other states, if only out of competitiveness. After the NIL bill passed in 2019, there was a fear that California schools would enjoy a significant recruiting advantage — why not go play where you can earn more than just a scholarship?

States began to match or even write more forgiving laws in an effort to outdo not just California, but states with rival programs. Others have sat it out and watched as the NCAA has been essentially powerless to stop all kinds of payments to players and recruits. Public sentiment has quickly swung against the NCAA and amateurism.

CAPA may be slightly less pronounced of an advantage. NIL opportunities anywhere can offset the graduation payment, which in and of itself is a delayed payout that may not hold the recruiting sway of an immediate deal.

That said, it is a full-throttle attack on the concept of amateurism, which the NCAA has clung to long after other international sports organizations, most notably the Olympics, have given up. This would feature schools making direct payments to players — an addition to scholarships, academic awards and Pell Grants that are already allowed.

Back in 2019, many in college sports ignored the actions of the California Assembly, only to see its impact quickly sweep over football and basketball. No one should make the same mistake this time.

Precisely how this will play out isn’t known, but if it passes as some expect it, college sports will be forever altered, perhaps significantly.
Shouldn't they be more worried about getting water to their state consistently?
 
Why don't they extend that to the students as well? Split the revenue the school makes with them too since their existence leads to inventions, notoriety, grants, publicity, economic prosperity, etc. If the football program is a "business" with "employees"....so too is the school itself in a sense.

I mean...without the students/alumni/boosters then there just as reasonably wouldn't even be a football program (or fill in the sport), right? Or is the state of CA trying to convince everyone that college football just organically appeared out of thin air and now after-the-fact it suddenly requires some 50% split of revenue...or profit (the article flip flops on that item) in order to justify itself as fair? Let's not discriminate here by any means. Let's share the wealth with everyone, right?

Better yet, why not have every company based in CA split the revenue/profit at 50% across everyone "employed" there during a full year? Not much difference if folks want to truly commit to this line of thinking.
Why just schools? What about companies making millions in profit, yet only paying their employees a competitive market wage. They should be forced to take those profits and distribute them equally to those who work for the company.
 
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As long as it’s attached with the NCAA’s name on it, this and portal rules can all be overturned with a creation of a new superconference. Big football programs aren’t going turn money over willingly if they can help it. Laws like this are only pushing us faster in the direction of creating a new league
 
If enough people wanted to watch me do my electrical engineering lab, yes I would want a piece of that pie too. We have teenagers making millions playing video games professionally.

When you have an elite set of skills, you should be compensated specifically as it relates to sports and entertainment.

Should Taylor Swift or the Jonas Brothers not have been compensated BEFORE they were 18 because they weren't adults? Should we not pay child actors? Should their parents start charging them rent because they put a roof over their head? This is entertainment. The entertainment industry doesn't work like other industries. Your argument honestly sucks. I get how playing for school pride and an education appeals to the older crowd.

Said another way, equate it to pro sports, because it is as far as money involved, call a scholarship and amenities league minimum. Add to it now the money the school makes on their TV deal split equally among the 85 to be league minimum. Seems reasonable.
I have no problem with this as long as we either get rid of scholarships or consider that part of their 50%. Also, this should be applied to all college athletic sports and let the ones that do not make any $$ just go away. There is no logical argument to be made to treat football differently from any other sport. All college athletes should be treated the same if we are making free market arguments.
 
As usual, knee jerk reactions and hyberbolic comments from the peanut gallery who may or may not have even read all the text.

I don’t see this as all bad. It pays the kids who don’t make money off NIL now b/c they aren’t super stars. It caps what anyone gets at what will hopefully end up a reasonable amount. It has protections for the non-revenue sports by limiting the pool of available monies. AND most importantly, if finally provides and incentive to graduate…and stick around at a given school.

How does this proposal not actually end up fixing much of what is complained about in the current wild Wild West situation we have going on? Not perfect, but a good next step.
 
This proposal honestly seems fair to me.

It'll crush your non-revenue sports but that's where we are at.
Which means goodbye to all women's sports. Maybe 5-6 women's BB teams survive if they have to stand on their own profits and share them.

The rest will have to send the players a bill.

I know they have protections in there but I don't know how that will work. It seems like what they are doing is putting their ADs in a very difficult spot.

But the plan isn't terrible - especially if the protections work (I must be missing something). My concern is how it will give certain schools an advantage over others.

A school that sees an increase in revenue — even a small amount — can allocate 50% of the so-called “new money” to pay the athletes in those sports. This would likely result in far less money for athletes, if any at all, but it's still considered progress

It is also the way, proponents argue, that existing budgets aren’t strained to the point of pulling back opportunities for others. USC and UCLA, for example, are about to enter the Big Ten Conference where millions in new money is awaiting. That increase in revenue could save those schools money under the new bill.

I'm confused as to where this revenue increase is going to come from. Are they saying that somehow, by doing what the bill requires, their revenue will increase? How?

Not sure how that's considered 'saving the school money'.
 
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I have no problem with this as long as we either get rid of scholarships or consider that part of their 50%. Also, this should be applied to all college athletic sports and let the ones that do not make any $$ just go away. There is no logical argument to be made to treat football differently from any other sport. All college athletes should be treated the same if we are making free market arguments.
lol you’re making a communist/ socialist argument. capitalism rewards those who earn it.
 
Better yet, why not have every company based in CA split the revenue/profit at 50% across everyone "employed" there during a full year? Not much difference if folks want to truly commit to this line of thinking.
Exactly. And most companies would leave California like some are already. Unfortunately competitive pressure means that every state must do the same. This is just going to accelerate the demise of “college” sports, which no longer seems to be about college anyway. It is going to be interesting to see what is left standing after it all burns down.
 
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You’re saying “California at it again” as if the Supreme Court hasn’t signaled that they are ready to blow NCAA amateurism out of the water. Justice Kavanaugh outright stated that if the case came before the court he believes college athletes should be treated as employees.

This isn’t a California thing. Pretty much everyone outside of college football traditionalists believe these guys should be getting paid. California is just ahead of the curve on this issue.

Correct. Kavanaugh's USSC opinion write up stated that schools were lucky players were not yet asking for a salary. The die has been set since that opinion was written.
 
lol you’re making a communist/ socialist argument. capitalism rewards those who earn it.
Actually the Socialist angle would be that Football has to give $XXX to women's field hockey or something.

The Capitalist angle is that football keeps what it earns, and the other sports can either earn or fold.
 
I have no problem with this as long as we either get rid of scholarships or consider that part of their 50%. Also, this should be applied to all college athletic sports and let the ones that do not make any $$ just go away. There is no logical argument to be made to treat football differently from any other sport. All college athletes should be treated the same if we are making free market arguments.
I’d love to hear why scholarships should be taken away or part of the 50%
 
It will be interesting how the B1G reconciles this with USC and UCLA joining the fold since the B1G has stated they will never agree to pay for play and would exit college athletics if they were forced to.
 
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If you envision your college sports team taking the next leap into professional sports status, California is your kind of state. If this law is passed and then begins to permeate through the rest of the country (like NIL did), you can see how quickly college sports become professional sports with collective bargaining and all the fun associated with your favorite professional team. To me, this would be the final nail that will force all schools to determine whether they want to play in the professional pool, or cut the top off all of our upper decks and revert back to the original model of non-professional teams playing schools that opt out.

Perhaps Lex Luther's plan for California (in the very old '78 Superman movie) wasn't such a bad idea.........

California could lead another charge in college athlete pay with its latest proposed bill
California sparked the birth of NIL money for athletes; now the state could take it a step further

Dan Wetzel, January 19, 2023

In 2019, California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing.

Lawmakers from across the political spectrum in states all over the country quickly followed suit and passed their own bills. Courts upheld the legislation and NIL is now a major, if evolving, part of college athletics.

“California has been very effective at putting forth trailblazing legislation,” state Assembly member Chris Holden said. “It makes sense and then catches on around the country.”

Well, California is back, this time with Holden, who serves Pasadena and spoke Thursday in front of the famed Rose Bowl, sponsoring a law that promises an even bolder change to how college sports operates.

The College Athlete Protection Act will begin working its way through committees with optimism among backers that it can find its way to Newsom’s desk this fall and be signed. (A similar bill failed last year).

CAPA takes a direct shot at the NCAA’s long-standing amateurism model by requiring schools to share profits from specific programs with its athletes, particularly those who graduate.

The bill requires schools to share up to 50% of revenue with athletes who compete in programs that bring in twice as much in revenue as they spend on athletic scholarships.

At many places this would include only football and men’s basketball, although women’s basketball, gymnastics, ice hockey, volleyball and other sports can reach that threshold at certain schools.

Current student-athletes' pay would be capped at $25,000 per year while they're in school, but colleges would be required to set aside an equally divided 50% of revenue annually to be paid out upon completion of a degree within six years. At major football programs, such as USC, that could equal about $200,000 a year per player — or $800,000 for a four-year career, according to some estimates.

Part of what doomed the bill last year were concerns that by paying football and basketball players, athletic departments would lack the resources to continue to fund scholarships or even entire teams in non-profitable sports. This time, to prevent such cuts, there is a second funding option.

A school that sees an increase in revenue — even a small amount — can allocate 50% of the so-called “new money” to pay the athletes in those sports. This would likely result in far less money for athletes, if any at all, but it's still considered progress

It is also the way, proponents argue, that existing budgets aren’t strained to the point of pulling back opportunities for others. USC and UCLA, for example, are about to enter the Big Ten Conference where millions in new money is awaiting. That increase in revenue could save those schools money under the new bill.

“Even though it won't make the athletes whole, it will represent progress for those athletes,” said Ramogi Huma, a former UCLA football player and now president of the National Collegiate Players Association.

The bill also calls for a three-year ban for any athletic director who cuts teams or scholarships under these circumstances.

There are additional provisions and CAPA could be beefed up or stripped down as it goes through the legislative process.

If it were to pass, it will likely be duplicated by other states, if only out of competitiveness. After the NIL bill passed in 2019, there was a fear that California schools would enjoy a significant recruiting advantage — why not go play where you can earn more than just a scholarship?

States began to match or even write more forgiving laws in an effort to outdo not just California, but states with rival programs. Others have sat it out and watched as the NCAA has been essentially powerless to stop all kinds of payments to players and recruits. Public sentiment has quickly swung against the NCAA and amateurism.

CAPA may be slightly less pronounced of an advantage. NIL opportunities anywhere can offset the graduation payment, which in and of itself is a delayed payout that may not hold the recruiting sway of an immediate deal.

That said, it is a full-throttle attack on the concept of amateurism, which the NCAA has clung to long after other international sports organizations, most notably the Olympics, have given up. This would feature schools making direct payments to players — an addition to scholarships, academic awards and Pell Grants that are already allowed.

Back in 2019, many in college sports ignored the actions of the California Assembly, only to see its impact quickly sweep over football and basketball. No one should make the same mistake this time.

Precisely how this will play out isn’t known, but if it passes as some expect it, college sports will be forever altered, perhaps significantly.
Im not reading all that but im sorry that happened to you or Im proud of you.
 
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