Crickets

[jakefest]

No sure what an SE drone is....but I am confident that the ANDSF didn't operate any drones.

We didn't had over any of the other stuff. The ANDSF may have, but we haven't. Doesn't matter much, The Taliban don't have the spare parts to maintain most of that stuff.

SE is ScanEagle, smaller units for surveillance that can be launched and controlled with just a remote control from anywhere. They are used for reconnaissance. Very affective in determining movement or battlefield direction.

The point is we didn't secure it and that's with the understanding that Afghanistan would eventually fall to the Taliban, whether that be in two weeks or 4 months.

 

[PawsFan_]

SE is ScanEagle, smaller units for surveillance that can be launched and controlled with just a remote control from anywhere. They are used for reconnaissance. Very affective in determining movement or battlefield direction.

The point is we didn't secure it and that's with the understanding that Afghanistan would eventually fall to the Taliban, whether that be in two weeks or 4 months.

Okay I know Scan Eagle. We wouldn't have left that behind. And the Russian and Chinese could look at those all day long and not learned anything new. They are low tech as fair a UAV's are concerned. Scan Eagle is a fancy toy in the UAV world.

 

[PawsFan_]

I've been deployed a few times for NEO's, there is no way the majority of those American Citizens are leaving their dwellings to risk the journey to an airport unless the Taliban are in the streets promising safe passage and our government is directly delivering the same message.

Then that's on them.

What I'm reading and what I'm told from my own contacts is we have done nothing more than secure the airport so the Taliban can't destroy or impede the runway as our heavy planes wouldn't be able to land or take off.

True

 

[nytigerfan]

We just handed the Taliban and Al Qaeda more than 6 SE drones, MRAPS, Humvees, M4's, M240's, MBT LAWs, 50 cals, NODS, a variety of sniper rifles...... etc. Those drones will be sold to China and Russia so they can pillage our technology and the rest gets distributed to fighting forces.

If we have to return to collect our 10,000 left behind Americans, things just got exponentially harder given we shutdown our most critical airbase and it's now secured and held by the Taliban. If surrounding countries decide not to help us, our fellow Americans could be in real trouble should the historically reasonable and diplomatic Taliban choose to slaughter them or keep them as hostages.

For those that seemingly want to blame a former president, the current one reversed every single policy Trump put in place his first several months in office......a new record of executive orders but he managed to keep this one. Afghanistan as a whole can be blamed on 3 presidents, maybe 4 if you count Bush but at this very moment, one president owned the exit plan that exponentially failed. There was no contingency plan. Those are just the facts.

I dont disagree with your last paragraph. Biden absolutely deserves some blame for not overturning yet another atrocious Trump decision (although in the video from one month ago Trump boasts that Biden wanted to stop the withdrawal but couldn't - https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/trump-afghanistan-withdrawal-claim-biden-v91ad2982 - from front butt's own mouth).

And Biden blaming the afghan military was not totally fair. It is hard to blame then for not putting up a fight against the Taliban when:

- Trump negotiated with the Taliban to take over after we left.
- Trump released 5000 vicious Taliban soldiers back into the fight.
- Trump released one of the founders of the Taliban back into the fight.
- Trump negotiated with the Taliban to be in charge of stopping terrorism when we were gone.

Both men deserve significant blame for what has happened there.

 

[nytigerfan]

Arrgghhhh. Jake you are making do what I hate here, but I have to agree with NY on this one. (I just vomited in my mouth typing that.)

If the State Department has ordered a Noncombatant Evacuation Order (NEO) then it's up to the American citizens to get to selected departure centers. If you have a US Passport, you will be processed and given transportation out of the country to the nearest suitable airport/port/whatever. Whatever it takes to get you out of immediate danger. That may be all the way back to the US. The State Department will send you a bill for the transportation after the fact (literally).

I doubt US forces will leave a safe zone to assist US nationals getting to the airport.

Arrgghhhh. Jake you are making do what I hate here, but I have to agree with NY on this one. (I just vomited in my mouth typing that.)

I laughed.

 

[PawsFan_]

Arrgghhhh. Jake you are making do what I hate here, but I have to agree with NY on this one. (I just vomited in my mouth typing that.)

I laughed.

I cried.

 

[jakefest]

Then that's on them.

True

No, that's not on them. Old me was put in harms way multiple times to ensure safe passage for civilians, some not even American citizens. If we aren't doing that in this case, it's because the Taliban told us we can't without being considered an act of war or we don't have ample resources in range and ready to deploy quickly......aka, a QRF (quick reaction force).

Just to note, a German friend informed this morning that they are deploying 600-800 to ensure safe exit for German nationals. They are combat ready

 

[jakefest]

I cried.

was that your eyes watering from the vomit or actual tears?

 

[jschneid30]

Trumps agreement didn’t involve sneaking off in the middle of the night, leaving behind thousands of Americans and billions of dollars of weapons. China and Russia will get them, analyze them, copy them and use them against us! This is a disaster no way to sugar coat it.

 

[PawsFan_]

No, that's not on them. Old me was put in harms way multiple times to ensure safe passage for civilians, some not even American citizens. If we aren't doing that in this case, it's because the Taliban told us we can't without being considered an act of war or we don't have ample resources in range and ready to deploy quickly......aka, a QRF (quick reaction force).

Just to note, a German friend informed this morning that they are deploying 600-800 to ensure safe exit for German nationals. They are combat ready

Jake. If you are living overseas, that is personnel choice. AMCITS need to get their way to the departure centers they State Department sets up. US troops are not responsible for going out and hand holding people it. I've never planned a NEO where we did anything more than secure these sights.

 

[PawsFan_]

was that your eyes watering from the vomit or actual tears?

Tears of shame

 

[PawsFan_]

Trumps agreement didn’t involve sneaking off in the middle of the night, leaving behind thousands of Americans and billions of dollars of weapons. China and Russia will get them, analyze them, copy them and use them against us! This is a disaster no way to sugar coat it.

What exactly are these billions of dollars of weapons you speak of?

 

[TigerGrowls]

What exactly are these billions of dollars of weapons you speak of?

Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban Now Controls 11 Former US Bases, Approximately 174 Humvees, 10,000 High Explosive Rockets and 6 Light Attack Aircraft | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban is well prepared to control the populace in Afghanistan.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban Now Controls 11 Former US Bases, Approximately 174 Humvees, 10,000 High Explosive Rockets and 6 Light Attack Aircraft​

By Jim Hoft
Published August 18, 2021 at 1:18pm

Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban is well prepared to control the populace in Afghanistan.
The Taliban now has humvees patrolling Kabul.


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Thanks Joe.


ETVBharat reported:

New Delhi: Riding on a victory wave replete with a hasty US withdrawal and an abject capitulation by the Afghan army, to say that the Taliban has become stronger may be an obvious understatement. The insurgent organization may soon gleefully lay its hands on the vast array of military resources left behind.
Just to help the Afghan government provide security in Afghanistan, the US had pumped in about $89 billion as of June 30, 2021. With the Ashraf Ghani-led Afghan government’s sudden fall, it would be safe to assume that a substantial chunk of those investments has fallen into the Taliban hands.Just to give an idea, according to the US government official figures, in the three months from April to June 2021, the US handed over to the Afghan National Defense and Security forces (ANDSF) six A-29 light attack aircraft, 174 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (Humvees), about 10,000 2.75 inch high-explosive rockets, 61,000 40-mm high explosive rounds, 9,00,000 rounds of .50 calibre ammo, and 20,15,600 rounds of 7.62 mm bullets.
While a stock-taking exercise is yet to begin in the war-ravaged country because of the prevailing circumstances, it is very likely that the Taliban may have taken possession of most of those assets.
Air force assets
The Afghan Air Force (AAF) operates three types of helicopters which include the 45 UH-60 Blackhawks, 50 MD-530s, and 56 Mi-17 helicopters besides its A-29 Super Tucano fighters (23 in number), C-130 Hercules transport aircraft, C-208 utility aircraft, and AC-208 fixed-wing aircraft.In total, the AAF has an inventory of 211 air platforms of which 167 were operable as of June 30, 2021. However, a problem that may dog the Taliban in operating these platforms will be finding operators and aviators, mechanics and locating spares.
Military bases
The 11 bases and military complexes recently handed over to the ANDSF are New Antonik, Kandahar airfield, Camp Morehead, New Kabul Complex, Blockhouse, Camp Stevenson, Camp Dwyer, Camp Lincoln (Camp Marmal), Camp Arena, Bagram airfield and the Resolute Support headquarters (RSHQ) which was handed over to the Afghan government on June 6, 2021.

Related.

 

[firegiver]

We literally just fvcking threw money at war lords in Afghanistan for 2 decades so we could buy influence in the region. We built horrible to no infrastructure there, there was no way this was going any other way.

That said the withdrawl from the place is epically poorly done. What about getting our allies out of there and the Americans safely? JFC so stupid.

 

[other1]

So why didn't the military destroy the equipment they were leaving behind??? They knew the end was coming and they could have done something about it.

 

[firegiver]

So why didn't the military destroy the equipment they were leaving behind??? They knew the end was coming and they could have done something about it.

it was probably afghan military equipment we gave them

 

[jakefest]

The transcripts from the ABC interview show 900 + words they didn't air........and you can clearly see why in this article. This guy isn't fit to lead

ABC News Appears To Have Not Aired 900+ Words From Biden During Interview On GMA. Here They Are.

ABC News’ “Good Morning America” appears to have not aired nearly a thousand words from Democrat President Joe Biden’s interview with host George Stephanopoulos, according to a review of a transcript published by the network and a review of the footage that it aired. The interviews comes as the...

www.dailywire.com

 

[TheValley91]

The transcripts from the ABC interview show 900 + words they didn't air........and you can clearly see why in this article. This guy isn't fit to lead

ABC News Appears To Have Not Aired 900+ Words From Biden During Interview On GMA. Here They Are.

ABC News’ “Good Morning America” appears to have not aired nearly a thousand words from Democrat President Joe Biden’s interview with host George Stephanopoulos, according to a review of a transcript published by the network and a review of the footage that it aired. The interviews comes as the...

www.dailywire.com

You are a Daily Wire guy? Explains alot.

 

[jakefest]

You are a Daily Wire guy? Explains alot.

What does it explain exactly?