CRT finally hits home

[moradatiger70]

So my daughter just text me that she was in her (not mentioning) class at the College of Charleston. Here is her exact words:

"I am so mad right now. We are being told that asking someone where they are from is raciest!"
"That someone dressing up 'Deep South-like' (whatever that is) is raciest and hurts, people of color's feelings"
"I cannot say anything, because I will get verbally attacked by my professor."
"Because a girl just did!"
"Almost made me cry because I felt sorry for her"
"We are actually being taught this and I can't physically listen to this for the 20 more minutes I have left."
"Next time I will record it."

 

[PAWrocka]

So my daughter just text me that she was in her (not mentioning) class at the College of Charleston. Here is her exact words:

"I am so mad right now. We are being told that asking someone where they are from is raciest!"
"That someone dressing up 'Deep South-like' (whatever that is) is raciest and hurts, people of color's feelings"
"I cannot say anything, because I will get verbally attacked by my professor."
"Because a girl just did!"
"Almost made me cry because I felt sorry for her"
"We are actually being taught this and I can't physically listen to this for the 20 more minutes I have left."
"Next time I will record it."

Do the work, get the A, move on, feel sorry for the folks that actually believe that bullshit. Life will process them

 

[PawsFan_]

"I cannot say anything, because I will get verbally attacked by my professor."

Wokes = Bigots

 

[iceheart08]

So my daughter just text me that she was in her (not mentioning) class at the College of Charleston. Here is her exact words:

"I am so mad right now. We are being told that asking someone where they are from is raciest!"
"That someone dressing up 'Deep South-like' (whatever that is) is raciest and hurts, people of color's feelings"
"I cannot say anything, because I will get verbally attacked by my professor."
"Because a girl just did!"
"Almost made me cry because I felt sorry for her"
"We are actually being taught this and I can't physically listen to this for the 20 more minutes I have left."
"Next time I will record it."

Not that you are gonna care, but what she's describing isn't critical race theory.

Conservatives: Dems paint us all as racists! They are just using a buzzword to generalize about us all!

Also conservatives: everything the Dems do is socialism and everything they teach in schools about race is critical race theory!

 

[PAWrocka]

Not that you are gonna care, but what she's describing isn't critical race theory.

Conservatives: Dems paint us all as racists! They are just using a buzzword to generalize about us all!

Also conservatives: everything the Dems do is socialism and everything they teach in schools about race is critical race theory!

ya ... I would say I'd like to know more about the context of the lesson in order to determine if the lesson was CRT or not, but I dont care. Whether its CRT or safe space, Micro-aggression, social justice propaganda .... its all equates to divisive bullshit.

 

[iceheart08]

ya ... I would say I'd like to know more about the context of the lesson in order to determine if the lesson was CRT or not, but I dont care. Whether its CRT or safe space, Micro-aggression, social justice propaganda .... its all equates to divisive bullshit.

Ok. But do you know what else is divisive bullshit? Calling everything anyone teaches about race critical race theory because you know it's gonna piss off the crazies with a buzzword. Literally divisive.

Everyone is dividing everyone. Not saying you do this.

 

[PAWrocka]

Ok. But do you know what else is divisive bullshit? Calling everything anyone teaches about race critical race theory because you know it's gonna piss off the crazies with a buzzword. Literally divisive.

Everyone is dividing everyone. Not saying you do this.

fair ... but to whatabout to your whatabout, implying that Critical Race Theory is purely teaching the historical account of racism/slavery in the United States is intellectually dishonest.

Truthful account of slavery in the US versus a antebellum washed glossed over version? Sign me up!

Teaching about specific moments in US history, where racists did horribly racist things (i.e. Tulsa race riots) Im there!! (edit: Im 42, first time I ever heard about Tulsa was when I watched the "Watchmen" series on HBO. Apparently that was the first time A LOT of people heard about it. That is a problem)

Teaching my white son that he is inherently racist because of his white skin and that he is automatically an oppressor of people of color? Teaching him that his "whiteness" is evil and that he must atone for the evils committed by white southern DEMOCRATS hundreds of years before he was born? No F'n chance ....

lastly ... let us not over look that the root of CRT is Marxist ideology (Frankfurt School, critical theory). Its entire purpose is to divide, destroy, ruin, .... genocide if need be.... and then rebuild to a Marxist Utopia. Everywhere this ideology has been tried, its resulted in genocide, systemic rape, death, hunger, famine, and destruction ..... but lets give it another go ... seems to be working in modern day China.

....ok ....now lastly ....lets also not forget that when the Nazis shutdown the Goethe University in 1933 and chased all the Marxists out of Germany, they took elements of Critical Theory to indoctrinate the masses, to turn against a ethnic and religious minority, and to justify the Holocaust <------ THAT is critical race theory ....

(edit 2: When the Nazis chased the Marxists out of Germany in 1933, any guesses on where they went? .............. thats right folks .... the United States, specifically Columbia University in NYC)

 

[nytigerfan]

So my daughter just text me that she was in her (not mentioning) class at the College of Charleston. Here is her exact words:

"I am so mad right now. We are being told that asking someone where they are from is raciest!"
"That someone dressing up 'Deep South-like' (whatever that is) is raciest and hurts, people of color's feelings"
"I cannot say anything, because I will get verbally attacked by my professor."
"Because a girl just did!"
"Almost made me cry because I felt sorry for her"
"We are actually being taught this and I can't physically listen to this for the 20 more minutes I have left."
"Next time I will record it."

um. Isnt this what college is all about? being challenged to look at things from different perspectives and you can think for yourself and make your own decisions. The best way to argue your own position is to understand your opponents. Maybe your daughter just isnt ready for college yet.

I weep for the younger generation. Charmin soft. My brother is an attorney and was catching up with an old law professor recently... the guy told him that he gets 4-5 calls a week from parents of the adults in law school complaining about their kids grades or sometimes what he is teaching.

 

[hopefultiger13]

um. Isnt this what college is all about? being challenged to look at things from different perspectives and you can think for yourself and make your own decisions. The best way to argue your own position is to understand your opponents. Maybe your daughter just isnt ready for college yet.

I weep for the younger generation. Charmin soft. My brother is an attorney and was catching up with an old law professor recently... the guy told him that he gets 4-5 calls a week from parents of the adults in law school complaining about their kids grades or sometimes what he is teaching.

I tend to agree here. When I was a Clemson, I took a few Sociology courses and some Philosophy courses. I regularly argued with my professors and got verbally spanked most of the time (it's what they do after all). I got better and better at making my points though and finding literature than agreed with me. "just because i think it should be this way" is not a valid argument.

It turns out (surprise!) that they weren't telling me what to think, but instead teaching how to think critically. Hell, one of them Merv White (Sociology Prof at Clemson back in the late 80s), even told me he'd say stuff that he personally didn't believe, just to challenge us to think about what we believe.

Not one professor I ever had held it against me that I thought or felt differently about something (as long as I could back it up). It was almost like I was learning stuff.

 

[dpic73]

I tend to agree here. When I was a Clemson, I took a few Sociology courses and some Philosophy courses. I regularly argued with my professors and got verbally spanked most of the time (it's what they do after all). I got better and better at making my points though and finding literature than agreed with me. "just because i think it should be this way" is not a valid argument.

It turns out (surprise!) that they weren't telling me what to think, but instead teaching how to think critically. Hell, one of them Merv White (Sociology Prof at Clemson back in the late 80s), even told me he'd say stuff that he personally didn't believe, just to challenge us to think about what we believe.

Not one professor I ever had held it against me that I thought or felt differently about something (as long as I could back it up). It was almost like I was learning stuff.

👏👏👏

 

[flotiger]

So my daughter just text me that she was in her (not mentioning) class at the College of Charleston. Here is her exact words:

"I am so mad right now. We are being told that asking someone where they are from is raciest!"
"That someone dressing up 'Deep South-like' (whatever that is) is raciest and hurts, people of color's feelings"
"I cannot say anything, because I will get verbally attacked by my professor."
"Because a girl just did!"
"Almost made me cry because I felt sorry for her"
"We are actually being taught this and I can't physically listen to this for the 20 more minutes I have left."
"Next time I will record it."

You know....I don't believe you.

 

[PAWrocka]

um. Isnt this what college is all about? being challenged to look at things from different perspectives and you can think for yourself and make your own decisions....

... yes, BUT that isnt what the OP is describing ...

There is a significant difference between these two statements

1) Is asking a person "Where are you from" racist?

2) Asking a person "where are you from" is racist.

One does exactly what you said, sparking conversation, challenging beliefs, uncovering new ideas. The other shuts down a conversation and implies that there is only ONE acceptable "perspective".

The OP stated that a classmate voiced her disagreement and was shouted down by the professor. That is the antithesis of higher learning and is the exact OPPOSITE of what you said "college is all about".

 

[other1]

... yes, BUT that isnt what the OP is describing ...

There is a significant difference between these two statements

1) Is asking a person "Where are you from" racist?

2) Asking a person "where are you from" is racist.

One does exactly what you said, sparking conversation, challenging beliefs, uncovering new ideas. The other shuts down a conversation and implies that there is only ONE acceptable "perspective".

The OP stated that a classmate voiced her disagreement and was shouted down by the professor. That is the antithesis of higher learning and is the exact OPPOSITE of what you said "college is all about".

The OP never said anything about being "shouted down".

 

[nytigerfan]

... yes, BUT that isnt what the OP is describing ...

There is a significant difference between these two statements

1) Is asking a person "Where are you from" racist?

2) Asking a person "where are you from" is racist.

One does exactly what you said, sparking conversation, challenging beliefs, uncovering new ideas. The other shuts down a conversation and implies that there is only ONE acceptable "perspective".

The OP stated that a classmate voiced her disagreement and was shouted down by the professor. That is the antithesis of higher learning and is the exact OPPOSITE of what you said "college is all about".

She texted her father to say that another girl was "verbally assaulted" by the professor. That could mean a lot of things and that do not imply shouting someone down. These day kids are so soft they cannot handle being disagreed with.

I disagree with the first part of your point. I had a professor walk into class one day and tell us we were all Marxists and that he would convince us if it by the end of the class. It was a heated passionate debate and one of the best (and few) classes that I remember vividly. I didn't cry about it and I didn't leave believing I was Marxist, although the guy made some really good points.

 

[iceheart08]

She texted her father to say that another girl was "verbally assaulted" by the professor. That could mean a lot of things and that do not imply shouting someone down. These day kids are so soft they cannot handle being disagreed with.

I disagree with the first part of your point. I had a professor walk into class one day and tell us we were all Marxists and that he would convince us if it by the end of the class. It was a heated passionate debate and one of the best (and few) classes that I remember vividly. I didn't cry about it and I didn't leave believing I was Marxist, although the guy made some really good points.

I mean, OP reported that his daughter literally couldn't handle the words being spoken and walked out.

Oh. Upon re-reading, she may have just said she can't physically listen to the remaining time she had left.

 

[PAWrocka]

The OP never said anything about being "shouted down".

… please provide your personal definition of “verbally assaulted”

I mean, OP reported that his daughter literally couldn't handle the words being spoken and walked out.

Oh. Upon re-reading, she may have just said she can't physically listen to the remaining time she had left.

Daughter should’ve left class, attacked a police officer, set fire to a building, and torn down a statue.

 

[PAWrocka]

She texted her father to say that another girl was "verbally assaulted" by the professor. That could mean a lot of things and that do not imply shouting someone down. These day kids are so soft they cannot handle being disagreed with.

I disagree with the first part of your point. I had a professor walk into class one day and tell us we were all Marxists and that he would convince us if it by the end of the class. It was a heated passionate debate and one of the best (and few) classes that I remember vividly. I didn't cry about it and I didn't leave believing I was Marxist, although the guy made some really good points.

... I'll pose the same question to you, that I did @other1 , what is your personal definition of "verbally assaulted"? Mine is verbally harassed, prevented from speaking, berated, and maliciously insulted. If there is some "positive" definition that actually encourages open discussion, please ... enlighten me.


we are just going to have to agree to disagree. A professor "should" foster a environment that teaches their students "How to think" not "What to think". Your professor wasnt a "teacher" he/she was a "activist". I wouldnt have left either, I wouldve listened, shared my point of view, done the work, received the A, and wouldnt have thought about that class the rest of my life (this was my initial response to this thread)

 

[fcctiger12]

... I'll pose the same question to you, that I did @other1 , what is your personal definition of "verbally assaulted"? Mine is verbally harassed, prevented from speaking, berated, and maliciously insulted. If there is some "positive" definition that actually encourages open discussion, please ... enlighten me.


we are just going to have to agree to disagree. A professor "should" foster a environment that teaches their students "How to think" not "What to think". Your professor wasnt a "teacher" he/she was a "activist". I wouldnt have left either, I wouldve listened, shared my point of view, done the work, received the A, and wouldnt have thought about that class the rest of my life (this was my initial response to this thread)

I love how many people on this board seem to have exact knowledge of what happened in the CofC classroom from a 3rd hand account. Hearing something from a friend of a friend automatically makes it all 100% true, huh?

Not arguing for one side or the other. Arguing that this is a stupid premise to argue about from either side without context.

Otherwise, carry on arguing pointlessly with one another over whatever you conjured up the situation to involve.