Cure for COVID-19 found?

[dual_tiger]

that was my first post itt

i just find it adorable that people who have no medical knowledge at all come in here talking about all the "research" they've done when it's pretty much just browsing google and reading articles that reinforce their views.

if i'm not mistaken the majority of the medical community is encouraging everyone to get the vaccine even if they previously had COVID. i'm going to take their advice because they're experts and it's their job to know that information. could they be wrong? sure that happens - but i'm going to follow their advice until some mass supported data comes out saying that there's detrimental side effects to having the vaccine while also having natural antibodies from a previous case of covid

That was your first post in "this" thread. Its almost like you do the same exact thing. So is it your hot take that a "majority" of the medical community discount natural immunity as an equal or better immunity to covid vs vaccinated immunity ? Ok. Maybe it is you that lacks the medical knowledge to understand that just isn't the case. What I find adorable is when vaccine bullies like you get their tiny little bubble busted because the latest data doesn't support their preconceived notions that the cdc is not the only authority when it comes to medical research. This must be a really hard time for you right now with the roller coaster mask on mask off mask on cdc recommendations for the vaccinated.

 

[gardentiger]

Ask Oklahomans how that's going......

Ivermectin misuse adding to Covid pressures at Oklahoma hospitals, doctor says

Jason McElyea says people overdosing on anti-parasitic drug that some people believe without evidence can cure or treat Covid

www.theguardian.com

This has been proven as fake news.

 

[WapPride]

That was your first post in "this" thread. Its almost like you do the same exact thing. So is it your hot take that a "majority" of the medical community discount natural immunity as an equal or better immunity to covid vs vaccinated immunity ? Ok. Maybe it is you that lacks the medical knowledge to understand that just isn't the case. What I find adorable is when vaccine bullies like you get their tiny little bubble busted because the latest data doesn't support their preconceived notions that the cdc is not the only authority when it comes to medical research. This must be a really hard time for you right now with the roller coaster mask on mask off mask on cdc recommendations for the vaccinated.

my "hot take" is that i follow the advice of the majority of the medical community. wrt the mask, no i've worn one since last march because i'm not a baby who cries about muh freedoms when something mildly inconveniences me.

show me some accredited data that a majority of the medical community supports that says there's no reason to get a vaccine bc you have natural immunity. it shouldn't be too hard if it's such a widely accepted truth.

 

[dual_tiger]

my "hot take" is that i follow the advice of the majority of the medical community. wrt the mask, no i've worn one since last march because i'm not a baby who cries about muh freedoms when something mildly inconveniences me.

show me some accredited data that a majority of the medical community supports that says there's no reason to get a vaccine bc you have natural immunity. it shouldn't be too hard if it's such a widely accepted truth.

First you are going to have to set the parameters of what you accept as accredited. I know how vaccine bullies like yourself like to move the goal posts when it doesn't fit your agenda.Oh and I never stopped wearing a mask either. Good for you little guy for sticking with it after you are vaccinated. Hopefully the rest of your vaccinated brethren will fall in line and stop living like the pandemic is over.

 

[WapPride]

First you are going to have to set the parameters of what you accept as accredited. I know how vaccine bullies like yourself like to move the goal posts when it doesn't fit your agenda.Oh and I never stopped wearing a mask either. Good for you little guy for sticking with it after you are vaccinated. Hopefully the rest of your vaccinated brethren will fall in line and stop living like the pandemic is over.

it's really not that difficult - something that's peer reviewed and widely accepted by the medical industry = accredited in my eyes

it's not my "vaccinated brethren" that are causing the virus to continue to run rampant and overflow hospitals - it's the rubes who are refusing to get vaccinated.

 

[dual_tiger]

it's really not that difficult - something that's peer reviewed and widely accepted by the medical industry = accredited in my eyes

it's not my "vaccinated brethren" that are causing the virus to continue to run rampant and overflow hospitals - it's the rubes who are refusing to get vaccinated.

Overflowing hospitals huh. Which hospitals are you referring to exactly? The ones around here are still preforming elective surgeries so where are you referring to? Sounds a little fear mongerish to me. You are absolutely right the unvaccinated are spreading it more but guess what your vaccinated buddies are also spreading too. 20% at my wife’s hospital right now are vaxxed.

 

[WapPride]

Overflowing hospitals huh. Which hospitals are you referring to exactly? The ones around here are still preforming elective surgeries so where are you referring to? Sounds a little fear mongerish to me. You are absolutely right the unvaccinated are spreading it more but guess what your vaccinated buddies are also spreading too. 20% at my wife’s hospital right now are vaxxed.

you can go to this link and find all the hospital systems in SC and their current tally of ICU availability. https://scdhec.gov/covid19/covid-19-data/acute-hospital-bed-occupancy

this doesn't even take into consideration the amount of healthcare workers that are quitting and moving to different specialties because they're tired of the endless wave of antivax covid patients who are rushing to the ER
Augusta:
Current COVID Surge Operations Update


DHOA has taken the following actions to help address the surge in patients our hospital is seeing:

· DHOA remains on Critical Care, Med/Surg and Trauma diversion

· The BICU is caring for some critical trauma service patients

· All elective surgeries (inpatient and outpatient) have been halted effective 2 September 2021

· The SRU has been converted to a unit for Med/Surg patients

wow 20%? guess that means the vaccine is useless! oh look, a neat article showing in some instances how the covid vaccine in people who previously contracted COVID is actually boosting their immune response even better.

New Studies Find Evidence Of 'Superhuman' Immunity To COVID-19 In Some Individuals

That's how some scientists describe the findings of a series of studies looking at the antibodies created by individuals who were infected by the coronavirus and then had an mRNA vaccine.

www.npr.org

some more data showing the efficacy of the vaccine

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19_Daily_Status_Update.pdf

 

[dual_tiger]

you can go to this link and find all the hospital systems in SC and their current tally of ICU availability. https://scdhec.gov/covid19/covid-19-data/acute-hospital-bed-occupancy

this doesn't even take into consideration the amount of healthcare workers that are quitting and moving to different specialties because they're tired of the endless wave of antivax covid patients who are rushing to the ER
Augusta:
Current COVID Surge Operations Update


DHOA has taken the following actions to help address the surge in patients our hospital is seeing:

· DHOA remains on Critical Care, Med/Surg and Trauma diversion

· The BICU is caring for some critical trauma service patients

· All elective surgeries (inpatient and outpatient) have been halted effective 2 September 2021

· The SRU has been converted to a unit for Med/Surg patients

wow 20%? guess that means the vaccine is useless! oh look, a neat article showing in some instances how the covid vaccine in people who previously contracted COVID is actually boosting their immune response even better.

New Studies Find Evidence Of 'Superhuman' Immunity To COVID-19 In Some Individuals

That's how some scientists describe the findings of a series of studies looking at the antibodies created by individuals who were infected by the coronavirus and then had an mRNA vaccine.

www.npr.org

some more data showing the efficacy of the vaccine

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19_Daily_Status_Update.pdf

Hear you go plenty of data that natural immunity is effective and long lasting. Even better than that it’s better than vaccination. Go ahead and educate your self if you choose but I am sure you will move the goal posts that’s what you do.

Affinity maturation of SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies confers potency, breadth, and resilience to viral escape mutations - PubMed

Antibodies elicited by infection accumulate somatic mutations in germinal centers that can increase affinity for cognate antigens. We analyzed 6 independent groups of clonally related severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) Spike receptor-binding domain (RBD)-specific...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Naturally enhanced neutralizing breadth against SARS-CoV-2 one year after infection - Nature

Antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 continue to evolve 6 to 12 months after infection in patients who have recovered from COVID-19, increasing in potency and breadth with time.

www.nature.com

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Here you go little buddy wasn’t that hard. You could have done it yourself but you are not interested in the truth. Vaccine bullies like yourself are so insecure in your decision you have to validate yourself by pushing a vaccine even to those who have natural immunity which studies show is effective and long lasting. Show me the numbers of the hospitals filling up with people with previous infection and then I will listen. I would be willing to bet the hospitals have far more vaccinated patients than they do of us with previous covid infection.

 

[AugTig]

Hear you go plenty of data that natural immunity is effective and long lasting. Even better than that it’s better than vaccination. Go ahead and educate your self if you choose but I am sure you will move the goal posts that’s what you do.

Affinity maturation of SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies confers potency, breadth, and resilience to viral escape mutations - PubMed

Antibodies elicited by infection accumulate somatic mutations in germinal centers that can increase affinity for cognate antigens. We analyzed 6 independent groups of clonally related severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) Spike receptor-binding domain (RBD)-specific...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Naturally enhanced neutralizing breadth against SARS-CoV-2 one year after infection - Nature

Antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 continue to evolve 6 to 12 months after infection in patients who have recovered from COVID-19, increasing in potency and breadth with time.

www.nature.com

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Here you go little buddy wasn’t that hard. You could have done it yourself but you are not interested in the truth. Vaccine bullies like yourself are so insecure in your decision you have to validate yourself by pushing a vaccine even to those who have natural immunity which studies show is effective and long lasting. Show me the numbers of the hospitals filling up with people with previous infection and then I will listen. I would be willing to bet the hospitals have far more vaccinated patients than they do of us with previous covid infection.

Well said. That’s the data point they are conveniently leaving out. I wonder why they aren’t tracking those previously infected? It’s not difficult to obtain the information and it’s likely already in patient charts.

 

[dual_tiger]

Well said. That’s the data point they are conveniently leaving out. I wonder why they aren’t tracking those previously infected? It’s not difficult to obtain the information and it’s likely already in patient charts.

I don’t know but if I had to make a guess it’s easier to make blanket statements for everyone to get vaccinated. What I can’t stand are vaccine bullies like the guy above. They are only interested in “their” truth. I still feel strongly that those people who are at risk should absolutely get vaccinated. Not everyone falls into that category as these vaccine bullies would have you believe and especially people like me who have had previous infection.

 

[WapPride]

Hear you go plenty of data that natural immunity is effective and long lasting. Even better than that it’s better than vaccination. Go ahead and educate your self if you choose but I am sure you will move the goal posts that’s what you do.

Affinity maturation of SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies confers potency, breadth, and resilience to viral escape mutations - PubMed

Antibodies elicited by infection accumulate somatic mutations in germinal centers that can increase affinity for cognate antigens. We analyzed 6 independent groups of clonally related severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) Spike receptor-binding domain (RBD)-specific...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Naturally enhanced neutralizing breadth against SARS-CoV-2 one year after infection - Nature

Antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 continue to evolve 6 to 12 months after infection in patients who have recovered from COVID-19, increasing in potency and breadth with time.

www.nature.com

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Here you go little buddy wasn’t that hard. You could have done it yourself but you are not interested in the truth. Vaccine bullies like yourself are so insecure in your decision you have to validate yourself by pushing a vaccine even to those who have natural immunity which studies show is effective and long lasting. Show me the numbers of the hospitals filling up with people with previous infection and then I will listen. I would be willing to bet the hospitals have far more vaccinated patients than they do of us with previous covid infection.

thank you for the articles, but i never argued that natural immunity wasn't effective and long lasting...i support getting the vaccine whether you've had covid previously or not. none of the links you provided say anything about it being a better solution than vaccines. in fact, one of the links even said this "Vaccination boosts the neutralizing response by 1.5 orders of magnitude by inducing additional plasma cell differentiation from the memory B cell compartment5,7,35." so it seems like a vaccine on top of your natural immunity is an even better boost for your body's defenses.

edit: also lol'ing at the use of "vaccine bully." stop acting like a baby

 

[yoshi121374]

Well said. That’s the data point they are conveniently leaving out. I wonder why they aren’t tracking those previously infected? It’s not difficult to obtain the information and it’s likely already in patient charts.

Why does it matter? What the figures show is that being vaccinated is smart. It is the unvaccinated who are filling the ICUs and who are dying. Maybe your natural immunity is working and you aren't the unvaccinated who are in the hospital, why would you not get vaccinated?

 

[dual_tiger]

P

thank you for the articles, but i never argued that natural immunity wasn't effective and long lasting...i support getting the vaccine whether you've had covid previously or not. none of the links you provided say anything about it being a better solution than vaccines. in fact, one of the links even said this "Vaccination boosts the neutralizing response by 1.5 orders of magnitude by inducing additional plasma cell differentiation from the memory B cell compartment5,7,35." so it seems like a vaccine on top of your natural immunity is an even better boost for your body's defenses.

edit: also lol'ing at the use of "vaccine bully." stop acting like a baby

No way you read through the links.Like I said you are only interest in “your truth”.I guess you skipped over this one. Quote “

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine.”​

Doesn’t surprise me you had no intention of mentioning that little detail. If you have long lasting effective immunity and as is said above “greater immunity than a vaccine” what purpose is there to vaccinate?

 

[dual_tiger]

Why does it matter? What the figures show is that being vaccinated is smart. It is the unvaccinated who are filling the ICUs and who are dying. Maybe your natural immunity is working and you aren't the unvaccinated who are in the hospital, why would you not get vaccinated?

I’ll pose the same question to you. If I have a long lasting effective immunity that is better than vaccination why should I? Is it really nessary if my protection is equal or better than yours? Why would you even care if previously infected get vaccinated or not?

 

[Idoconcrete]

Ask Oklahomans how that's going......

Ivermectin misuse adding to Covid pressures at Oklahoma hospitals, doctor says

Jason McElyea says people overdosing on anti-parasitic drug that some people believe without evidence can cure or treat Covid

www.theguardian.com

Fake news bud

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/09/bogus-oklahoma-ivermectin-story-was-just-too-good-check/

 

[gardentiger]

it's really not that difficult - something that's peer reviewed and widely accepted by the medical industry = accredited in my eyes

it's not my "vaccinated brethren" that are causing the virus to continue to run rampant and overflow hospitals - it's the rubes who are refusing to get vaccinated.

How is that true if you can contract the virus as a vaccinated individual and your case may be so mild that you don't know you have it? Thus, not isolating and spreading it everywhere?

 

[WapPride]

P

No way you read through the links.Like I said you are only interest in “your truth”.I guess you skipped over this one. Quote “

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine.”​

Doesn’t surprise me you had no intention of mentioning that little detail. If you have long lasting effective immunity and as is said above “greater immunity than a vaccine” what purpose is there to vaccinate?

ehh that was the article using the israeli information which isn't really supported on a mass scale. there have been numerous reports coming out that say the information coming out of israel should be met with some skepticism. but if you want to use that data as well, we can take this from that exact article:
"The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated."

edit: another quote from that article “We continue to underestimate the importance of natural infection immunity … especially when [infection] is recent,” says Eric Topol, a physician-scientist at Scripps Research. “And when you bolster that with one dose of vaccine, you take it to levels you can’t possibly match with any vaccine in the world right now.”

 

[WapPride]

How is that true if you can contract the virus as a vaccinated individual and your case may be so mild that you don't know you have it? Thus, not isolating and spreading it everywhere?

because studies have shown that even if you have the vaccine and still get the virus, you have a smaller chance of passing it on than if you don't have the vaccine and are infected with covid. the vaccine helps reduce transmissibility, lethality of the virus, and the symptoms you experience. natural immunity also helps with those things as well, but data suggests that having natural immunity + the vaccine allows for greater immunity and reduction in symptoms than just having natural immunity

 

[dual_tiger]

because studies have shown that even if you have the vaccine and still get the virus, you have a smaller chance of passing it on than if you don't have the vaccine and are infected with covid. the vaccine helps reduce transmissibility, lethality of the virus, and the symptoms you experience. natural immunity also helps with those things as well, but data suggests that having natural immunity + the vaccine allows for greater immunity and reduction in symptoms than just having natural immunity

Still avoiding the question I see. If natural immunity is = to or greater than vaccination and you clearly feel vaccination is enough for the majority why then should I vaccinate for what could likely be a minimal benefit.

 

[dual_tiger]

because studies have shown that even if you have the vaccine and still get the virus, you have a smaller chance of passing it on than if you don't have the vaccine and are infected with covid. the vaccine helps reduce transmissibility, lethality of the virus, and the symptoms you experience. natural immunity also helps with those things as well, but data suggests that having natural immunity + the vaccine allows for greater immunity and reduction in symptoms than just having natural immunity

How could these studies possibly answer what this guy is asking? I don’t think you understand the question. Because the vaccines are so effective at preventing severe illness and death how can they possibly track how many asymptomatic vaccinated carriers that are spreading this thing because of the unlikelihood of them getting tested. Seems almost impossible to collect that data. There are also several examples of recent large vaccinated group transmission including one by the cdc.

 

[WapPride]

Still avoiding the question I see. If natural immunity is = to or greater than vaccination and you clearly feel vaccination is enough for the majority why then should I vaccinate for what could likely be a minimal benefit.

i'd say do it just to be more safe. 98% of doctors are vaccinated and i guarantee you the majority of those doctors vaccinated have probably gotten covid before. if they're doing it, and data shows you are BETTER protected with natural immunity + vaccine, i don't see the reason not get the shot. the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved, so there's no real reason not to get the vaccine. it takes 10 minutes.

How could these studies possibly answer what this guy is asking? I don’t think you understand the question. Because the vaccines are so effective at preventing severe illness and death how can they possibly track how many asymptomatic vaccinated carriers that are spreading this thing because of the unlikelihood of them getting tested. Seems almost impossible to collect that data. There are also several examples of recent large vaccinated group transmission including one by the cdc.

i took data from the article YOU linked that showed there is higher protection from natural immunity + vaccine than just natural immunity.

your question is backed up in the article you provided: "She adds: “The biggest limitation in the study is that testing [for SARS-CoV-2 infection] is still a voluntary thing—it’s not part of the study design.” That means, she says, that comparisons could be confounded if, for example, previously infected people who developed mild symptoms were less likely to get tested than vaccinated people, perhaps because they think they are immune."

i would argue since it's so difficult to track asymptomatic carriers, considering no one's going to randomly test themselves for covid if they're not exhibiting symptoms, that the best decision is for everyone just to get the vaccine as it offers excellent protection. if you're an asymptomatic carrier and already have the natural antibodies then getting the vaccine is only going to increase your likelihood of preventing reinfection - as all of those articles you provided state.

 

[dual_tiger]

i'd say do it just to be more safe. 98% of doctors are vaccinated and i guarantee you the majority of those doctors vaccinated have probably gotten covid before. if they're doing it, and data shows you are BETTER protected with natural immunity + vaccine, i don't see the reason not get the shot. the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved, so there's no real reason not to get the vaccine. it takes 10 minutes.


i took data from the article YOU linked that showed there is higher protection from natural immunity + vaccine than just natural immunity.

your question is backed up in the article you provided: "She adds: “The biggest limitation in the study is that testing [for SARS-CoV-2 infection] is still a voluntary thing—it’s not part of the study design.” That means, she says, that comparisons could be confounded if, for example, previously infected people who developed mild symptoms were less likely to get tested than vaccinated people, perhaps because they think they are immune."

i would argue since it's so difficult to track asymptomatic carriers, considering no one's going to randomly test themselves for covid if they're not exhibiting symptoms, that the best decision is for everyone just to get the vaccine as it offers excellent protection. if you're an asymptomatic carrier and already have the natural antibodies then getting the vaccine is only going to increase your likelihood of preventing reinfection - as all of those articles you provided state.

I give you this you are good at avoidance. I can understand why your ilk wouldn’t want to answer this question directly.My immunity is as good as a vaccinated person or better per the study. Do you consider your vaccination a good enough protection against covid or not? If the answer is yes then I am going to be just fine. Per you and all your cultish vaccine pushers once you take the vaccine you have a adequate protection from covid. I don’t need extra protection I just need adequate protection.Seems like my protection is better than yours. Just to be safe if I was you I would start licking door knobs of covid patients just so you get the ++ protection that immunity+vaccine provide just to be on the safe side. It shouldn’t take you long to do just go to any of these overrun covid wards you keep talking about.You basically will have no chance of being hospitalized or suffer death due to your vaccination. Better to be safe than sorry you don’t want to risk getting one of those breakthrough covid infections.

 

[gardentiger]

How could these studies possibly answer what this guy is asking? I don’t think you understand the question. Because the vaccines are so effective at preventing severe illness and death how can they possibly track how many asymptomatic vaccinated carriers that are spreading this thing because of the unlikelihood of them getting tested. Seems almost impossible to collect that data. There are also several examples of recent large vaccinated group transmission including one by the cdc.

He just knows cuz...reasons...

 

[TigerGrowls]

because studies have shown that even if you have the vaccine and still get the virus, you have a smaller chance of passing it on than if you don't have the vaccine and are infected with covid. the vaccine helps reduce transmissibility, lethality of the virus, and the symptoms you experience. natural immunity also helps with those things as well, but data suggests that having natural immunity + the vaccine allows for greater immunity and reduction in symptoms than just having natural immunity

The medical mafia/big pharma is literally pulling this info from their buttholes presently. It always has been partly a big money grab from the taxpayers. I just pray the mrna vaccines do not have adverse long term affects on people.

 

[WapPride]

I give you this you are good at avoidance. I can understand why your ilk wouldn’t want to answer this question directly.My immunity is as good as a vaccinated person or better per the study. Do you consider your vaccination a good enough protection against covid or not? If the answer is yes then I am going to be just fine. Per you and all your cultish vaccine pushers once you take the vaccine you have a adequate protection from covid. I don’t need extra protection I just need adequate protection.Seems like my protection is better than yours. Just to be safe if I was you I would start licking door knobs of covid patients just so you get the ++ protection that immunity+vaccine provide just to be on the safe side. It shouldn’t take you long to do just go to any of these overrun covid wards you keep talking about.You basically will have no chance of being hospitalized or suffer death due to your vaccination. Better to be safe than sorry you don’t want to risk getting one of those breakthrough covid infections.

yes i do consider my vaccination protection enough. however, if i had ever gotten covid and got the natural antibodies then i would also have gotten the vaccine because it further decreases reinfection chance. that's something you're just failing to recognize. the data you provided shows there is good possibility that having natural immunity + the vaccine offers even superior protection against reinfection. i don't see why you wouldn't want to further decrease your reinfection case unless you're one of those anti-vaxxers. if that's the case, you should just stop beating around the bush and own it, instead of tiptoeing around it.

 

[dual_tiger]

yes i do consider my vaccination protection enough. however, if i had ever gotten covid and got the natural antibodies then i would also have gotten the vaccine because it further decreases reinfection chance. that's something you're just failing to recognize. the data you provided shows there is good possibility that having natural immunity + the vaccine offers even superior protection against reinfection. i don't see why you wouldn't want to further decrease your reinfection case unless you're one of those anti-vaxxers. if that's the case, you should just stop beating around the bush and own it, instead of tiptoeing around it.

I didn’t ask what you would have done. My protection is better than yours. You consider yours to be enough so I am more than good since you have established that. If you feel the need to wear two condoms while having sex that is on you little guy. If you feel the need to “decrease your infection rate” you are more than welcome to infect yourself with covid. I just don’t see why you wouldn’t want to do it unless you just don’t believe the vaccine will protect you. If that is the case you should just stop beating around the bush and own it. Just let me know if you are interested my brother and sister in law both have covid both fully vaxxed. I am sure they won’t mind if you want to get that super immunity.

 

[WapPride]

I didn’t ask what you would have done. My protection is better than yours. You consider yours to be enough so I am more than good since you have established that. If you feel the need to wear two condoms while having sex that is on you little guy. If you feel the need to “decrease your infection rate” you are more than welcome to infect yourself with covid. I just don’t see why you wouldn’t want to do it unless you just don’t believe the vaccine will protect you. If that is the case you should just stop beating around the bush and own it. Just let me know if you are interested my brother and sister in law both have covid both fully vaxxed. I am sure they won’t mind if you want to get that super immunity.

you haven't provided any evidence that says natural immunity > vaccination beyond the article using data from Israel which some medical experts have said needs to be more heavily scrutinized and studied.

i'm going to ignore the asinine suggestion to go get covid (completely disregarding any potential longterm affects that may occur, or me potentially infecting other people i interact with that don't have natural immunity or can't receive the vaccine.)

i get it - you don't want the vaccine for some reason you refuse to admit. based on your posting in other threads it's fair to assume you think it's all a cash grab from big pharma and it's not to be trusted

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Dude if talking to your Dr is great, isn't talking to a 100s of Drs that actually specialize in infectious disease even better? Like I said, I'm no expert and don't pretend to be. So when I don't know something, I generally listen to experts that literally get paid to do this.

I suppose the 2 most influential people at the FDA just resigned for no good reason right?

 

[dual_tiger]

you haven't provided any evidence that says natural immunity > vaccination beyond the article using data from Israel which some medical experts have said needs to be more heavily scrutinized and studied.

i'm going to ignore the asinine suggestion to go get covid (completely disregarding any potential longterm affects that may occur, or me potentially infecting other people i interact with that don't have natural immunity or can't receive the vaccine.)

i get it - you don't want the vaccine for some reason you refuse to admit. based on your posting in other threads it's fair to assume you think it's all a cash grab from big pharma and it's not to be trusted

Nope never said any of that.I have said repeatedly those at risk should get the shot. My wife and most everyone in my family beside me and my kids who have had covid are vaxxed per my suggestion.You can try to paint me in the corner but your the one being pig headed and unreasonable. I have provided plenty of evidence to natural immunities ability to protect against covid but you just refuse to acknowledge it because some random medical experts says so? You are as bad as the ones following the YouTube doctors. People with previous infection don’t need to be vaccinated. You want to die on that hill then so be it but it won’t be long before you are made to look the fool and I doubt you or any of your other vaccine bullies will own up to it.
Oh look someone believes in science…

Spectrum Health workers can use natural immunity as vaccine mandate exemption

Spectrum Health will grant temporary exemptions from its employee vaccine mandate to individuals who can prove they have naturally acquired immunity to COVID-19.

www.detroitnews.com

 

[SconnyTiger25]

Why does it matter? What the figures show is that being vaccinated is smart. It is the unvaccinated who are filling the ICUs and who are dying. Maybe your natural immunity is working and you aren't the unvaccinated who are in the hospital, why would you not get vaccinated?

Unvaccinated and previously uninfected can be similar, ICU patients are likely old or obese. Really the data doesn’t tell us, so the data sucks.

From what I understand hospitals are considering people who were vaccinated less than 14 days prior and hospitalized as unvaccinated. IMO that is an ADVERSE EVENT to the vaccine. It is also skewing the numbers.

 

[hopefultiger13]

I suppose the 2 most influential people at the FDA just resigned for no good reason right?

What does that have to do with anything? I just went to Costco the other day and an employee told me that he didn't think they carried canned cat food. I then found canned cat food. I'm guessing that you'd draw the conclusion that the whole company is full of crappy employees? What if their CEO and CFO resigned? Would you think that all the food and items they sell are now no good or dangerous to buy?

The FDA is a big organization who's literal job it is to evaluate food and drugs in the US. I'm sure that they have problems and are not perfect. Just like any large organization. But they are still full of folks that have tons of experience evaluating the safety of food and drugs.

 

[gardentiger]

my "hot take" is that i follow the advice of the majority of the medical community. wrt the mask, no i've worn one since last march because i'm not a baby who cries about muh freedoms when something mildly inconveniences me.

show me some accredited data that a majority of the medical community supports that says there's no reason to get a vaccine bc you have natural immunity. it shouldn't be too hard if it's such a widely accepted truth.

The study out of Israel state that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than the Fauci Ouchie. You can look it up....but, you won't.

 

[dual_tiger]

The study out of Israel state that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than the Fauci Ouchie. You can look it up....but, you won't.

He only believes the “science” when it fits his narrative.

 

[WapPride]

Nope never said any of that.I have said repeatedly those at risk should get the shot. My wife and most everyone in my family beside me and my kids who have had covid are vaxxed per my suggestion.You can try to paint me in the corner but your the one being pig headed and unreasonable. I have provided plenty of evidence to natural immunities ability to protect against covid but you just refuse to acknowledge it because some random medical experts says so? You are as bad as the ones following the YouTube doctors. People with previous infection don’t need to be vaccinated. You want to die on that hill then so be it but it won’t be long before you are made to look the fool and I doubt you or any of your other vaccine bullies will own up to it.
Oh look someone believes in science…

Spectrum Health workers can use natural immunity as vaccine mandate exemption

Spectrum Health will grant temporary exemptions from its employee vaccine mandate to individuals who can prove they have naturally acquired immunity to COVID-19.

www.detroitnews.com

i'm glad some of your family is vaccinated and others are protected by natural immunity- and i've never said natural immunity doesn't protect against the virus. idk why you keep bringing that up. i just don't see why you're so gungho against getting the vaccine. i've long stated that i will do what the medical community suggests. considering 96% of all doctors are vaccinated (whether they had covid previously or not) that leads me to believe that's the best course of action. you won't get vaccinated because you have natural immunity - i get that and understand your POV - i just disagree and think everyone that is able should get vaccinated regardless of natural immunity or not.

 

[WapPride]

The study out of Israel state that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than the Fauci Ouchie. You can look it up....but, you won't.

which they address later in the article: Topol and others point out several limitations, such as the inherent weakness of a retrospective analysis compared with a prospective study that regularly tests all participants as it tracks new infections, symptomatic infections, hospitalizations, and deaths going forward in time. “It will be important to see these findings replicated or refuted,” says Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at Emory University.

to my knowledge none of this data has been replicated anywhere else in any other studies. that's not to say it isn't accurate, but it should be considered when using that data point as gospel

edit: to piggy back on this, i can link a half dozen articles from different groups showing vaccine efficacy > natural immunity. below are just a few

AAAS

www.science.org

Does SARS-CoV-2 natural infection immunity better protect against the Delta variant than vaccination?

A new study from Israel suggests immunity gained after recovering from a previous COVID-19 infection is more protective against the new Delta variant than vaccine-induced immunity. Natural immunity was estimated to be about 13 times stronger than having two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

www.news-medical.net

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.

www.cdc.gov

Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing...

This report describes COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in adults aged 65 years and older.

www.cdc.gov

 

[dual_tiger]

i'm glad some of your family is vaccinated and others are protected by natural immunity- and i've never said natural immunity doesn't protect against the virus. idk why you keep bringing that up. i just don't see why you're so gungho against getting the vaccine. i've long stated that i will do what the medical community suggests. considering 96% of all doctors are vaccinated (whether they had covid previously or not) that leads me to believe that's the best course of action. you won't get vaccinated because you have natural immunity - i get that and understand your POV - i just disagree and think everyone that is able should get vaccinated regardless of natural immunity or not

which they address later in the article: Topol and others point out several limitations, such as the inherent weakness of a retrospective analysis compared with a prospective study that regularly tests all participants as it tracks new infections, symptomatic infections, hospitalizations, and deaths going forward in time. “It will be important to see these findings replicated or refuted,” says Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at Emory University.

to my knowledge none of this data has been replicated anywhere else in any other studies. that's not to say it isn't accurate, but it should be considered when using that data point as gospel

edit: to piggy back on this, i can link a half dozen articles from different groups showing vaccine efficacy > natural immunity. below are just a few

AAAS

www.science.org

Does SARS-CoV-2 natural infection immunity better protect against the Delta variant than vaccination?

A new study from Israel suggests immunity gained after recovering from a previous COVID-19 infection is more protective against the new Delta variant than vaccine-induced immunity. Natural immunity was estimated to be about 13 times stronger than having two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

www.news-medical.net

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.

www.cdc.gov

Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing...

This report describes COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in adults aged 65 years and older.

www.cdc.gov

Your a joke. I didn’t realize you were one of those guys. No reason to even have a conversation with this guy fellows. He is only open to science as it pertains to his narrative. All those links have less than optimal number of participants and you want to knock the huge study that was done in Israel that has been published. Get out of here guy. You laugh at others watching YouTube videos and you are following YouTube science. I could post plenty of small studies to refute your bs links but none of them had the scope or scale of the Israel study. So I won’t bother.

 

[WapPride]

"ALL THAT INFORMATION IS WRONG, BUT THIS ONE STUDY I FOUND THAT BACKS UP MY POV IS CORRECT - EVEN THOUGH NONE OF ITS FINDINGS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE REPLICATED"

i'm guessing the CDC is now "youtube science"

 

[dual_tiger]

i'm glad some of your family is vaccinated and others are protected by natural immunity- and i've never said natural immunity doesn't protect against the virus. idk why you keep bringing that up. i just don't see why you're so gungho against getting the vaccine. i've long stated that i will do what the medical community suggests. considering 96% of all doctors are vaccinated (whether they had covid previously or not) that leads me to believe that's the best course of action. you won't get vaccinated because you have natural immunity - i get that and understand your POV - i just disagree and think everyone that is able should get vaccinated regardless of natural immunity or not.

Of course you disagree. You are so insecure about your choice that you feel everyone should make the same decision as you wether it makes since or not. You only follow the science when it fits your narrative.

 

[dual_tiger]

"ALL THAT INFORMATION IS WRONG, BUT THIS ONE STUDY I FOUND THAT BACKS UP MY POV IS CORRECT - EVEN THOUGH NONE OF ITS FINDINGS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE REPLICATED"

i'm guessing the CDC is now "youtube science"

Oh you really want to go there with the CDC? The mask on ,mask off, double mask, vaccinate, and vaccinate and mask brigade? Thats the hill you wish to die on? That Kentucky cdc data was not only a small sample size but it was way more limited that the israel study. Its literally like you are doing the exact thing you are crying about. Oh and since you want to bring up CDC findings lets have a little talk about this one...

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, including COVID-19 ...

This report describes COVID-19 outbreaks associated with ...

www.cdc.gov

Oops maybe you are not as safe as you think you are little guy.

 

[WapPride]

Of course you disagree. You are so insecure about your choice that you feel everyone should make the same decision as you wether it makes since or not. You only follow the science when it fits your narrative.

looking past all the typos you've been making in your recent posts (as you're clearly flustered), i'm going to let this comment go since it's so absurd.

Oh you really want to go there with the CDC? The mask on ,mask off, double mask, vaccinate, and vaccinate and mask brigade? Thats the hill you wish to die on? That Kentucky cdc data was not only a small sample size but it was way more limited that the israel study. Its literally like you are doing the exact thing you are crying about. Oh and since you want to bring up CDC studies lets have a little talk about this one...

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, including COVID-19 ...

This report describes COVID-19 outbreaks associated with ...

www.cdc.gov

Oops maybe you are not as safe as you think you are little guy.

sure scientific studies can be wrong sometimes - that's why there are MULTIPLE different case studies on all of this so they can make the best educated guesses given the information they have. the data out of israel is just one data point to be considered, and when the findings are unable to be replicated in other studies it means the results should be further scrutinized.

furthermore, if you had bothered to read the study you just linked you'd see this right off the start: " First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak." but it's just another example as to why you have scientists doing MULTIPLE STUDIES, and not just taking one example and using it as gospel.