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How much lower? I don’t think there is peer reviewed data on how much lower the chances of spreading Covid is between unvaccinated vs vaccinated that have contracted Covid is there? How can there possibly be less hosts if fully vaccinated people are getting Covid? How much more dangerous is Covid than say mrsa or meningitis to someone under 35?
I already posted this, but the CDC decided that vaccines reduced transmission enough to stop recommending that vaccinated people wear masks. I already posted this link, which discusses that: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html.

Here's more, from earlier: https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/m...vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work
 
The study is peer reviewed. Just seems like you're trying to obfuscate things at this point, though. My choice is to put more trust in the CDC than in "my own research" that disagrees with the CDC.
Sorry bud but that article isn’t peer reviewed. Maybe do a quick google search and maybe you can educate yourself on what that means. A published article has to go through a series of steps before it can be considered peer reviewed. Again do you think 149 people tested with no numbers provided is conclusive evidence to your claim. It’s not even a good opinion piece. And here we go again…”Well I am going to believe the cdc even though they have presented zero evidence to support it. 😂 Hey guys let’s play the speculation game. The cdc says get vaccinated even though there is only a 1% uptick in immunity! Let’s do it because that 1% sure is worth it! 😂
 
I already posted this, but the CDC decided that vaccines reduced transmission enough to stop recommending that vaccinated people wear masks. I already posted this link, which discusses that: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html.

Here's more, from earlier: https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/m...vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work
Uh oh don’t look now but LA county is ignoring cdc recommendations. I guess they don’t believe in the cdc science. 😂
 
😂 Just stop please. Again the cdc hasn’t posted any numbers at all about the topic. They have changed recommendations on more than one occasion that isn’t really debatable is it? Oh and I thought we established we were not gonna post anymore non peer reviewed opinions. They tested 149 people guy. 😂 Do you think that is an ample sample size to make a conclusion? 😂 They don’t even produce any numbers as to what percentage it even enhances your immunity. Is it a 1% increase a 100% increase. Hey let’s all play the speculation game. 😂 I feel like you aren’t listening. Present peer reviewed data to your claims and then we can talk. It’s ok to admit you don’t know. Imagine how much confusion and misinformation could have been avoided had both political parties admitted as much…
 
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How much more dangerous is Covid than say mrsa or meningitis to someone under 35?
MRSA and meningitis are pretty awful afflictions that are incredibly dangerous so I don't really understand your argument here. A pandemic caused by a virus as transmissible as Covid and as deadly as meningitis would eliminate somewhere between 15-50% of the world population.

Aside: My money is on antibiotic-resistant bacteria to be behind the next pandemic, whether it is 10, 20, 100, 200 years from now.
 
More of the lower level staff in the medical field have not gotten vaccinated. That will probably be over soon when vaccines are fully FDA approved and hospitals require it for their staff. Some people might find it telling that the physicians are almost all vaccinated, while the lower level staff are less likely to be vaccinated.
Honestly I'd like your take on why this is?
 
Sorry bud but that article isn’t peer reviewed. Maybe do a quick google search and maybe you can educate yourself on what that means. A published article has to go through a series of steps before it can be considered peer reviewed. Again do you think 149 people tested with no numbers provided is conclusive evidence to your claim. It’s not even a good opinion piece. And here we go again…”Well I am going to believe the cdc even though they have presented zero evidence to support it. 😂 Hey guys let’s play the speculation game. The cdc says get vaccinated even though there is only a 1% uptick in immunity! Let’s do it because that 1% sure is worth it! 😂
The study the article is about is literally peer reviewed. You either have no clue what you’re talking about and are just repeating buzz words, or you’re just wanting to be a dick. Either way, it’s not really worth my time at this point.
 
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Honestly I'd like your take on why this is?
I can’t really say, but I’d guess it has to do with physicians having more medical expertise. More charitably, it could have to do with class.


An ongoing monthly survey of more than 1.9 million U.S. Facebook users led by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh recently looked at vaccine hesitancy by occupation. It revealed a spectrum of hesitancy among health care workers corresponding to income and education, ranging from a low of 9% among pharmacists to highs of 20%-23% among nursing aides and emergency medical technicians. About 12% of registered nurses and doctors admitted to being hesitant to get a shot.


"Health care workers are not monolithic," says study author Jagdish Khubchandani, professor of public health sciences at New Mexico State University.

"There's a big divide between males, doctoral degree holders, older people, and the younger low-income, low-education frontline, female health care workers. They are the most hesitant," he says. Support staff typically outnumber doctors at hospitals about 3 to 1.

"There is outreach work to be done there," says Robin Mejia, PhD, director of the Statistics and Human Rights Program at Carnegie Mellon University, who is leading the study on Facebook's survey data. "These are also high-contact professions. These are people who are seeing patients on a regular basis."
 
Vaccinated or not, I am guessing 90+% of the mask I see are more designer cotton cloth than any type of N95 mask. Are we assuming that these mask are doing the job anyway? The biggest problem I have with these mask are alot of them are basically pulling your tee shirt up over your mouth. I never hear that framed upon
 
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Sorry bud but that article isn’t peer reviewed. Maybe do a quick google search and maybe you can educate yourself on what that means. A published article has to go through a series of steps before it can be considered peer reviewed. Again do you think 149 people tested with no numbers provided is conclusive evidence to your claim. It’s not even a good opinion piece. And here we go again…”Well I am going to believe the cdc even though they have presented zero evidence to support it. 😂 Hey guys let’s play the speculation game. The cdc says get vaccinated even though there is only a 1% uptick in immunity! Let’s do it because that 1% sure is worth it! 😂

Light reading for the intentionally obtuse
 
The study the article is about is literally peer reviewed. You either have no clue what you’re talking about and are just repeating buzz words, or you’re just wanting to be a dick. Either way, it’s not really worth my time at this point.
It literary is not. Do you need me to post a link to what constitutes as a peer reviewed article? Your so good at providing links to opinion pieces I may have assumed incorrectly that you could google it yourself. Even with that said I already addressed the study just to appease you anyway. There is a reason you decided to argue about what makes a article peer reviewed or not. You decided not to discuss it because we both know a sample size of less than 200 people is laughable to make any kind of conclusion about the general populace. Not only that they didn’t even present any statistical data of their findings. Again you try to argue your case with opinion pieces all the while hiding behind “cdc” regulations as the end all be all. Hell the state of California doesn’t even stand by those regulations. Don’t believe me? Then explain away what is happening in LA county right now. Like I said it’s ok to admit you don’t know. You never would because you are a very close minded individual who thinks my way is the only way.
 
It literary is not. Do you need me to post a link to what constitutes as a peer reviewed article? Your so good at providing links to opinion pieces I may have assumed incorrectly that you could google it yourself. Even with that said I already addressed the study just to appease you anyway. There is a reason you decided to argue about what makes a article peer reviewed or not. You decided not to discuss it because we both know a sample size of less than 200 people is laughable to make any kind of conclusion about the general populace. Not only that they didn’t even present any statistical data of their findings. Again you try to argue your case with opinion pieces all the while hiding behind “cdc” regulations as the end all be all. Hell the state of California doesn’t even stand by those regulations. Don’t believe me? Then explain away what is happening in LA county right now. Like I said it’s ok to admit you don’t know. You never would because you are a very close minded individual who thinks my way is the only way.

@ChicagoTiger85 analyzes studies for a living if I’m not mistaken. I’m sure he knows what constitutes a study being peer reviewed.
 
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@ChicagoTiger85 analyzes studies for a living if I’m not mistaken. I’m sure he knows what constitutes a study being peer reviewed.
While jama produces a ton of peer reviewed articles you can easily look at their front page to discover numerous opinion pieces. Even with that said I tried to discuss the findings with Chicago and instead of addressing the findings he decided to move the goal posts to something else. Why is that you suppose? I could have argued about double blind verse blind peer reviewed data but why bother? I went ahead and addressed the findings.
 
While jama produces a ton of peer reviewed articles you can easily look at their front page to discover numerous opinion pieces. Even with that said I tried to discuss the findings with Chicago and instead of addressing the findings he decided to move the goal posts to something else. Why is that you suppose? I could have argued about double blind verse blind peer reviewed data but why bother? I went ahead and addressed the findings.
You’re being extremely obtuse, which is why this is my last reply to you as long as you’re acting that way. As I already said, it’s an article summarizing a peer reviewed study. I posted it because I thought people would like reading that more than a peer reviewed study. Here’s what the peer reviewed study has to say about its peer review: “Peer review information Nature thanks Thushan de Silva, Pei-Yong Shi and the other, anonymous, reviewer(s) for their contribution to the peer review of this work.”

At this point, you’re just going off on nonsensical tangents to try to obfuscate what’s actually being talked about. Actually, I’m not even sure what your point is supposed to be.
 
You’re being extremely obtuse, which is why this is my last reply to you as long as you’re acting that way. As I already said, it’s an article summarizing a peer reviewed study. I posted it because I thought people would like reading that more than a peer reviewed study. Here’s what the peer reviewed study has to say about its peer review: “Peer review information Nature thanks Thushan de Silva, Pei-Yong Shi and the other, anonymous, reviewer(s) for their contribution to the peer review of this work.”

At this point, you’re just going off on nonsensical tangents to try to obfuscate what’s actually being talked about. Actually, I’m not even sure what your point is supposed to be.
Again this is the last time I am going to respond to you. I tried to debate the merits of the findings with you but all you want to do is deflect and call names. You continuously want to argue or move the goal post. That’s what people like you tend to do when they have nothing of value to add. Continue muddying up the waters guy because that’s what you do best.
 
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Again this is the last time I am going to respond to you. I tried to debate the merits of the findings with you but all you want to do is deflect and call names. You continuously want to argue or move the goal post. That’s what people like you tend to do when they have nothing of value to add. Continue muddying up the waters guy because that’s what you do best.
Must be a government employee🤯
 
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Must be a government employee🤯
Must be a government employee🤯
I know right. The guy must be a politician. He presents an argument only to back it up with link after link of “his experts” opinion pieces no statistical data anywhere to be found an expects everyone to just take it as fact. When challenged he moves the goal post doesn’t present any discernible data and commences with the name calling. The guy is a fraud. The sad part is I would love for there to be more hard data on natural covid19 immunity. I would have loved for him to present actual hard data on several topics but all he wants to do is argue and hide behind cdc recommendations without any numerical evidence. As we can see certain states are not even buying into their recommendations.
 
Interesting info! Experts opinion. Suspected long term natural covid19 immunity. No need for the vaccine if you have had previous Covid infection! Am I doing this right? 😂🤣
 
I know right. The guy must be a politician. He presents an argument only to back it up with link after link of “his experts” opinion pieces no statistical data anywhere to be found an expects everyone to just take it as fact. When challenged he moves the goal post doesn’t present any discernible data and commences with the name calling. The guy is a fraud. The sad part is I would love for there to be more hard data on natural covid19 immunity. I would have loved for him to present actual hard data on several topics but all he wants to do is argue and hide behind cdc recommendations without any numerical evidence. As we can see certain states are not even buying into their recommendations.

You’re the one who keeps moving the goalposts….not to mention your attempts at filibustering.
 
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You’re the one who keeps moving the goalposts….not to mention your attempts at filibustering.
Says the guy who has presented nothing of value at all. I can see why you would back Chicago. 😂You know what they say about birds of feather…
 
😂 Just stop please. Again the cdc hasn’t posted any numbers at all about the topic. They have changed recommendations on more than one occasion that isn’t really debatable is it? Oh and I thought we established we were not gonna post anymore non peer reviewed opinions. They tested 149 people guy. 😂 Do you think that is an ample sample size to make a conclusion? 😂 They don’t even produce any numbers as to what percentage it even enhances your immunity. Is it a 1% increase a 100% increase. Hey let’s all play the speculation game. 😂 I feel like you aren’t listening. Present peer reviewed data to your claims and then we can talk. It’s ok to admit you don’t know. Imagine how much confusion and misinformation could have been avoided had both political parties admitted as much…

Just to clarify a few things:

1) The posted link is a summary of a peer reviewed article published in the journal Nature.

2) Sample population size, statistical methods, and generalizability to different populations is NOT a requirement for a paper to be peer-reviewed. The Nature article is peer-reviewed.

3) A study like this is extremely expensive and requires a lot of manpower. Following 149 people for 12 months, controlling for confounders, and running the various assays and tests takes time. Why would someone fund a multi million dollar study unless they thought it had a chance of promise? This study gives you that.

4) Saying they should add a percentage for how much it increases immunity is unreasonable. This is like asking how much eating an egg for breakfast will increase your lifespan.

5) The paper clearly states its limitations.
 
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Just to clarify a few things:

1) The posted link is a summary of a peer reviewed article published in the journal Nature.

2) Sample population size, statistical methods, and generalizability to different populations is NOT a requirement for a paper to be peer-reviewed. The Nature article is peer-reviewed.

3) A study like this is extremely expensive and requires a lot of manpower. Following 149 people for 12 months, controlling for confounders, and running the various assays and tests takes time. Why would someone fund a multi million dollar study unless they thought it had a chance of promise? This study gives you that.

4) Saying they should add a percentage for how much it increases immunity is unreasonable. This is like asking how much eating an egg for breakfast will increase your lifespan.

5) The paper clearly states its limitations.
Saber I don’t know if you meant to quote me or not. My response that you quoted was in response to a link Chicago posted not the one I posted from Nature. 😂
 
You haven’t presented anything of value either. All you’ve done is argue yourself in circles.
I have at least posted a link with info. What have you added? All you have added is butt hurt commentary defending your boyfriend. Your more than welcome to add more data points although I doubt you could add an original intelligent thought that didn’t involve Chicago. 😂
 
I have at least posted a link with info. What have you added? All you have added is butt hurt commentary defending your boyfriend. Your more than welcome to add more data points although I doubt you could add an original intelligent thought that didn’t involve Chicago. 😂

"If you look at the people that are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all," said Gov. Ron DeSantis
 
"If you look at the people that are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all," said Gov. Ron DeSantis
Nice quote. What does this prove exactly. Does it say what percentage of those have had previous Covid infection? Of course 95% are unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated you are less likely to display severe illness. Is that even in question? Those who contract Covid who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic.
 
Saber I don’t know if you meant to quote me or not. My response that you quoted was in response to a link Chicago posted not the one I posted from Nature. 😂

I'm very confused. I'm talking about the link that Chicago posted from Jama that is a summary piece on an article from nature that discusses the effect of vaccines on previously infected individuals.
 
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I'm very confused. I'm talking about the link that Chicago posted from Jama that is a summary piece on an article from nature that discusses the effect of vaccines on previously infected individuals.
You said the nature article though. That’s what I posted. 😂
 
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