No. I'm cool if he takes a knee. I'm all WOKE ass now. DH saved football and possibly my job if Duke-Energy requires the vax.
DeAndre Hopkins voiced his concerns on NFL's push to force players to get vaccinated.
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The red cross checks for covid antibodies every time you give blood, shows up in your online profile
I had the VID in January and as of two months ago, still have antibodies. I'll find out if I still have them next week
It’s beyond ridiculous really. I’ve said it before but from my unbiased perspective this whole virus issue is just a guise for people to direct hate and animosity toward people who vote differently than they do.
Actually you have it wrong.
The scared people are the ones getting the vaccine. They think they are going to die if they don't get it.
OR they care that OTHER PEOPLE may die if they don't get it.
I assume everyone in this thread had the same stance when Nuk shared ideas different from their own? Just making an observation is all
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I get what you’re saying and it makes sense. But it isn’t just a rumor. I’m saying that I know of an actual example, first hand, of the vaccine killing someone in my age group.
Hard for me to say that there “isn’t a problem” when I have seen this actual problem firsthand. Again, maybe the odds are very low. I’m just not willing to rush into putting something so novel into my body when, the very disease it is supposed to “prevent” had very little effect on me at all
I’m just down for everyone being free to make their own personal choices: uninformed, irrational, or not.
No, we would still be vaccinated because this should not be a referendum on Trump, like Republicans have made it. You're mad he lost, we get it but that's a terrible reason to downplay the vaccine.
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I know 5 people who have been vaccinated and still got the virus.
But if their employer only tests unvaccinated employees then atleast they would've avoided weeks/months of that nonsense
It was obvious what you were doing. I just wanted you to understand that the reference to shut up and dribble was in regards to a famous NBA player that didn't go to college.
I'm not mad Trump lost. He's almost a big a threat to freedom as Biden and he's the one that started this whole shutdown thing to slow the spread. I'm mad as hell the Democrats stole two Senate Seats in GA.
Which is why I referenced the shut up and dribble “crowd” not directly the statement itself
I wasn’t saying that was a rumor, but it’s anecdotal. The problem with that is that when hundreds of millions of people get vaccinated, it’s almost certain that some are going to die soon after. VAERS picks that up whether or not it has anything to do with the vaccines, but they try to look for little blips in the data (“signals”) that indicate a cluster of the same problem happening more than would be expected normally.
As far as I know, there aren’t any signals for serious cardiac issues. The only signal I know of related to cardiac stuff is the myocarditis one, but that was for younger people and it isn’t considered serous. It was also very, very rare. Also, remember they paused the JJ vaccine for the signal they found among young women, even though that issue was also extremely rare.
I’m also for people making personal choices, because that’s how we’ve always dealt with vaccination. However, we’ve also had certain vaccinations required for participation in certain things, and that’s because vaccination isn’t a decision that only affects you. But I'd ignore me and talk to your doctor, probably.
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The virus is a real thing. But some people have certainly used it the way you described. That shouldn’t make all of us react by politicizing things even more.
Or they just want the pandemic to end. It doesn’t have to be about people dying. Unfortunately, a lot of people are taking these performative/virtue signaling stands that have nothing to do with what’s going on with the virus. That really is a both sides problem, although the people refusing to get vaccinated are causing more of a problem for the rest of us.
I think you’re making way too much of that. Technically, we test for COVID-19, too. The vaccines are pretty effective at keeping people from getting the virus, but they’re even more effective at keeping people from getting really sick from it.
"My body, my choice" is the "logic" the left uses to justify abortion. Funny how they can't apply that same thought to the vaccine that really is a "My body, my choice" issue unlike abortion.
Oh, for sure, I just was saying that these tests are not really intended to tell you about immunity.Well the mere presence of antibodies, in general, don’t grant immunity, sure. It’s not a guarantee.
However, an adequate amount of antibodies SHOULD confer immunity, at some titer level.
One example:
Antibodies, Immunity, and COVID-19
Widespread availability of commercial assays that detect anti–severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) antibodies has enabled researchers to examine naturally acquired immunity to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) at the population level. Several studies have found that the...jamanetwork.com
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Unfortunately, it is not yet known if detection of anti–SARS-CoV-2 antibodies by commercial clinical laboratory assays is associated with protective immunity. It is possible that protection requires achieving a specific quantity of a specific subtype of antibody. It is also possible that to achieve protection, antibodies must bind to specific epitopes on the virus, which may differ from the epitopes that are targeted in the commercial assays. Thus, we simply do not know if the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 that are detected by commercial assays will ultimately translate into protective herd immunity as the virus continues to spread.
Conversely, it is possible that people exposed to SARS-CoV-2 are protected against future infection regardless of whether they have measurable antibody titers or not. The role of T cells in protective immunity against COVID-19, and the association between immunity based on antibodies and memory T cells, remains undefined. Indeed, there are reasons to be optimistic that prior exposure to the virus does lead to protective immunity. Nearly a year into the COVID-19 pandemic, there have been more than 30 million confirmed infections, but extremely few documented cases of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 throughout the world.7 If natural infection did not lead to a high degree of protection, many more reinfections would be expected. Furthermore, analysis of convalescent plasma reveals that most individuals with symptomatic COVID-19 mount neutralizing antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2.8 Based on immunological experience with other viruses, the presence of neutralizing antibodies is likely associated with protection. Thus, until more data become available, it is reasonable to assume that natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 may lead to protective immunity and prior infection may be closely associated with protection. Furthermore, protection from natural infection suggests that vaccines should induce protective immunity”.
It’s not that the antibodies don’t allude to protection, it’s that they don’t guarantee it.
Antibody (Serology) Testing for COVID-19
Practical info about COVID-19 antibody tests, such as understanding test results, determining who needs tests, and more.www.fda.gov
How about if you're afraid of the vaccine, you don't play? Why should the people who have taken positive steps to end the pandemic be penalized instead of the non-vaxxed?
As for the vaccine, absolutely. I'm vaccinated, but it was my choice. No one else has the right to tell me what I have to put in my body.
At some point, they'll have to just have the people afraid of the virus not play and the rest of the league will go on, as normal. For now, though, the league is still being cautious- like every other sports league. At least the vaccine gives us a way to not have to cancel and postpone games, as long as they're also being cautious about the virus.
Once again, though, this just sort of puts things into relief: the people who oppose these policies just want all of the mitigation strategies gone, and they want them gone now. They think the options are having everything be normal, or have mitigation strategies, rather than the options being not playing at all, having a situation where we have harsher mitigation strategies and games are postponed or just not played, or these vaccine-based mitigation strategies.
Do you only feel that way about this vaccine, or about all vaccines? What about the medication your doctor prescribes you? Also, is anybody trying to force you to get a vaccine? If not, then how is people telling you that you need a vaccine different than the pretty normal situations where people tell you what you need to put in your body?
Well we can definitely agree that the COVID Vaccine is effective at keeping people from getting really sick. That I think is clear from the evidence. Especially those that are more vulnerable.
With regards to “keeping people from getting the virus” I just don’t think the evidence is there and, after all, it wasn’t the design of them in the first place. It could be, sure, but the design was to diminish the severity of the symptoms.
But the testing is where we end up with issues, which is really an entirely different discussion. The RT-PCR test is not a test for an ACTIVE Virus so we end up with a smorgasbord of theories based off small HMO’s or pockets of people.
Fair enough. Agreed
What I'm saying is that keeping people from getting the virus was in the design. They tested for that in the clinical trials.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the PCR test.
Where? Which clinical trial? Which Vaccine? I’m open to changing my view here depending upon how they tested for live, replicating Virus.
'Gold Standard' Study Confirms COVID mRNA Vaccines Prevent Infection
The national study included more than 54,000 patients in the VA system, particularly important because that population has a large percentage of older patients with substantial comorbidities.
www.medscape.com
Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Publication of Results from Landmark Phase 3 Trial of BNT162b2 COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate in The New England Journal of Medicine | Pfizer
Data from 43,448 participants, half of whom received BNT162b2 and half of whom received placebo, showed that the vaccine candidate was well tolerated and demonstrated 95% efficacy in preventing COVID-19 in those without prior infection 7 days or more after the second dose Vaccine efficacy...
www.pfizer.com
are you mentally retarded? you dont think a doctor has ever told a patient to alter their diet?
seriously, i dont know where you people come up with these facts. sounds like an entertaining read to be honest.
What I remember Harris saying was she was against Trump jumping the FDA and pushing the vaccine before the FDA cleared it. I dont think she said she was against ever taking it had Trump won. Maybe there is something I missed though. I just recall her saying that in the debate vs Pence.
who said you wouldnt get COVID if you had the shot? maybe education would fix ignorance, but in your case i would bet all hope is lost.
yeah. antivaxxers aren't scared they're just smarter than all the vaccine researchers and doctors out there who have overwhelmingly gotten the shot. must be cool being smarter than everyone about everything. does lead to one issue though, who is the smartest antivaxxer?
from your mom's trailer. i had it mailed there.
seriously, your goal is to spread disinformation to gain thread views?
