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Despite Entire Team Being Fully Vaccinated – Two Thirds of Antarctic Polar Researchers Have Contracted COVID-19

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How did covid get to antarctica with only vaccinated people being there? Come on resident lib vax disciples please tell us.


By Joe Hoft
Published December 31, 2021 at 1:00pm
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Another example of the COVID-19 vaccine not working.

The National Post reports:
Polar researchers in Antarctica have contracted COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated and living miles from civilization.
Two thirds of the 25 staff based at Belgium’s Princess Elisabeth Polar Station have caught the virus, the Le Soir newspaper reported, proving there is no escape from the global pandemic.
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The outbreak took hold despite all staff passing multiple PCR tests, quarantining and living in one of the most remote places in the world.
There are studies that show that vaccines do not work, now we have another example in real life.
 
This may be news to you, but vaccination status doesn’t stop you from getting it. They’ve said this since day 1
Yes, but these people are in a controlled access environment in ANTARCTICA!! There are none of the unwashed even down there, so where is it coming from?
 
How did covid get to antarctica with only vaccinated people being there? Come on resident lib vax disciples please tell us.


By Joe Hoft
Published December 31, 2021 at 1:00pm
Antarctic-Tents.jpg

Another example of the COVID-19 vaccine not working.

The National Post reports:

There are studies that show that vaccines do not work, now we have another example in real life.
Type this into your search engine. (81%of UK Covid deaths vaccinated)
Preferably not Safari,Bing or Google as these are algorithmed to hide the truth. Use DuckDuckGo as your default browser if you aren’t already.
Next type in this- (vaccinologist says vaccine causes virus to mutate more rapidly)
I’ve been saying for over a year and a half, we’re doing the polar opposite of a hundred years of scientifically established pandemic protocol and ignoring that it doesn’t work. Mankind is truly insane.
 
How did covid get to antarctica with only vaccinated people being there? Come on resident lib vax disciples please tell us.


By Joe Hoft
Published December 31, 2021 at 1:00pm
Antarctic-Tents.jpg

Another example of the COVID-19 vaccine not working.

The National Post reports:

There are studies that show that vaccines do not work, now we have another example in real life.

"lib vaccine disciples"?

You are doing it again. You are trying to correlate vaccination status to political affiliation. Since 72% of Americans have been vaxxed, does that mean 72% are libs? That really blows all of your election fraud bullshit out of the water, no? If that is true it is no wonder that Trump and the Republicans are trying so hard to subvert our democratic process.

Vaccine status is much more correlated with educational attainment. The more educated and successful a person is, the more likely they are to be vaccinated. This explains why Trump is vaccinated but two mouth breathing troglodytes like you and @JoeBidenSniffsKids are not.

Let me know if you have any questions.
 
This may be news to you, but vaccination status doesn’t stop you from getting it. They’ve said this since day 1
No. They didn't say that from day one, but they do begrudgingly say it now. Nevertheless I quit listening to "they" months ago. No one in the MSM has gotten any aspect of this virus right. They are almost as bad ESPN announcers are at picking teams.
 
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"lib vaccine disciples"?

You are doing it again. You are trying to correlate vaccination status to political affiliation. Since 72% of Americans have been vaxxed, does that mean 72% are libs? That really blows all of your election fraud bullshit out of the water, no? If that is true it is no wonder that Trump and the Republicans are trying so hard to subvert our democratic process.

Vaccine status is much more correlated with educational attainment. The more educated and successful a person is, the more likely they are to be vaccinated. This explains why Trump is vaccinated but two mouth breathing troglodytes like you and @JoeBidenSniffsKids are not.

Let me know if you have any questions.
It's Trump's vaccine, developed out of Operation Warp Speed; so not sure I understand "Lib vaccine disciples" comment. But I am also not too young to remember all those years ago when MSM and the left (redundant?) were questioning whether or not they can trust Trump's vaccine. Alas, this pseudo-vaccine has never not been political. I don't know why we have to be on this board though.

Anyway, I would love to see some of your research on the correlation of level of education for those vaccinated. Anecdotally, I work with a lot of engineers and scientists, most of whom have PhDs or master's degrees, and many refuse to get the vaccine.

Most of what we have been told about this vaccine is not bearing itself out in research. That's something we should absolutely talk about.
 
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It's Trump's vaccine, developed out of Operation Warp Speed; so not sure I understand "Lib vaccine disciples" comment. But I am also not too young to remember all those years ago when MSM and the left (redundant?) were questioning whether or not they can trust Trump's vaccine. Alas, this pseudo-vaccine has never not been political. I don't know why we have to be on this board though.

Anyway, I would love to see some of your research on the correlation of level of education for those vaccinated. Anecdotally, I work with a lot of engineers and scientists, most of whom have PhDs are master's degrees, and many refuse to get the vaccine.

Most of what we have been told about this vaccine is not bearing itself out in research. That's something we should absolutely talk about.

Disparities by education level remained, with adults holding a bachelor’s degree or higher continuing to have the highest vaccination rate at 90.8%, and adults without a high school diploma having the lowest vaccination rate at 68.6%. Despite having the lowest vaccination rate, adults without a high school diploma had the largest relative improvement to the national average, going from 38 percent below the national average in March (29.2% vs. 47.0%) to 13 percent below the national average in June (68.6% vs. 79.1%). Vaccination rates among adults with a high school degree or equivalent and adults with some college or an associate’s degree also improved somewhat relative to the national average.

 
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Disparities by education level remained, with adults holding a bachelor’s degree or higher continuing to have the highest vaccination rate at 90.8%, and adults without a high school diploma having the lowest vaccination rate at 68.6%. Despite having the lowest vaccination rate, adults without a high school diploma had the largest relative improvement to the national average, going from 38 percent below the national average in March (29.2% vs. 47.0%) to 13 percent below the national average in June (68.6% vs. 79.1%). Vaccination rates among adults with a high school degree or equivalent and adults with some college or an associate’s degree also improved somewhat relative to the national average.

Tip-o'-the-cap for coming back with the source...but there's more to the causality of this apparent disparity than education. In fact I don't believe this necessarily demonstrates a causal relationship between education and vaccination rates at all. Anecdotally, I would speculate that many professional workforces require vaccination (as does mine), whereas a lot of blue collar employers might not require it. There are a myriad other probing questions to ask regarding causality. Nevertheless, to say it's a product of education, or a lack of education, is just mean-spirited and unhelpful. I might even go out on a limb and say be more educated you are, (i.e post-bachelor or more) the more skeptical you are of this vaccine. But that's purely my working hypothesis born of my own personal interactions.

At any rate, there is ample call to be skeptical of this vaccine. In full disclosure, I myself have been vaccinated. I received the first and second dose of the moderna vaccine in March and April respectively. I was also admitted into the hospital in late June with a suspected myocardiac infarction and minutes away from having my chest split open. Luckily my heart catheter came back clean ("arteries immaculate"). I had a severe case of pericarditis. It's cause remains unknown. After a day in the hospital and 10 days of taking it easy, my cardiologist (I have a cardiologist now) has released me with no restrictions... Except that once I have an attack of pericarditis my chances of having it again go up exponentially. Whether the vaccine caused this heart condition I know have for the rest of my life or not, I will certainly not be getting a booster. My point is though, these are things we should talk about. Not shout people down and insult them for being skeptical.
 
Tip-o'-the-cap for coming back with the source...but there's more to the causality of this apparent disparity than education. In fact I don't believe this necessarily demonstrates a causal relationship between education and vaccination rates at all. Anecdotally, I would speculate that many professional workforces require vaccination (as does mine), whereas a lot of blue collar employers might not require it. There are a myriad other probing questions to ask regarding causality. Nevertheless, to say it's a product of education, or a lack of education, is just mean-spirited and unhelpful. I might even go out on a limb and say be more educated you are, (i.e post-bachelor or more) the more skeptical you are of this vaccine. But that's purely my working hypothesis born of my own personal interactions.

At any rate, there is ample call to be skeptical of this vaccine. In full disclosure, I myself have been vaccinated. I received the first and second dose of the moderna vaccine in March and April respectively. I was also admitted into the hospital in late June with a suspected myocardiac infarction and minutes away from having my chest split open. Luckily my heart catheter came back clean ("arteries immaculate"). I had a severe case of pericarditis. It's cause remains unknown. After a day in the hospital and 10 days of taking it easy, my cardiologist (I have a cardiologist now) has released me with no restrictions... Except that once I have an attack of pericarditis my chances of having it again go up exponentially. Whether the vaccine caused this heart condition I know have for the rest of my life or not, I will certainly not be getting a booster. My point is though, these are things we should talk about. Not shout people down and insult them for being skeptical.
There is no room for skepticism and questions. You have to “trust the science”, because science and medicine is infallible and pure
 
Tip-o'-the-cap for coming back with the source...but there's more to the causality of this apparent disparity than education. In fact I don't believe this necessarily demonstrates a causal relationship between education and vaccination rates at all. Anecdotally, I would speculate that many professional workforces require vaccination (as does mine), whereas a lot of blue collar employers might not require it. There are a myriad other probing questions to ask regarding causality. Nevertheless, to say it's a product of education, or a lack of education, is just mean-spirited and unhelpful. I might even go out on a limb and say be more educated you are, (i.e post-bachelor or more) the more skeptical you are of this vaccine. But that's purely my working hypothesis born of my own personal interactions.

At any rate, there is ample call to be skeptical of this vaccine. In full disclosure, I myself have been vaccinated. I received the first and second dose of the moderna vaccine in March and April respectively. I was also admitted into the hospital in late June with a suspected myocardiac infarction and minutes away from having my chest split open. Luckily my heart catheter came back clean ("arteries immaculate"). I had a severe case of pericarditis. It's cause remains unknown. After a day in the hospital and 10 days of taking it easy, my cardiologist (I have a cardiologist now) has released me with no restrictions... Except that once I have an attack of pericarditis my chances of having it again go up exponentially. Whether the vaccine caused this heart condition I know have for the rest of my life or not, I will certainly not be getting a booster. My point is though, these are things we should talk about. Not shout people down and insult them for being skeptical.
absolutely!
 
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It's Trump's vaccine, developed out of Operation Warp Speed; so not sure I understand "Lib vaccine disciples" comment. But I am also not too young to remember all those years ago when MSM and the left (redundant?) were questioning whether or not they can trust Trump's vaccine. Alas, this pseudo-vaccine has never not been political. I don't know why we have to be on this board though.

Anyway, I would love to see some of your research on the correlation of level of education for those vaccinated. Anecdotally, I work with a lot of engineers and scientists, most of whom have PhDs are master's degrees, and many refuse to get the vaccine.

Most of what we have been told about this vaccine is not bearing itself out in research. That's something we should absolutely talk about.
The lib Vax disciple comment is just me messing with our resident posters just like they mess with me. Great points and please post more.
 
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Tip-o'-the-cap for coming back with the source...but there's more to the causality of this apparent disparity than education. In fact I don't believe this necessarily demonstrates a causal relationship between education and vaccination rates at all. Anecdotally, I would speculate that many professional workforces require vaccination (as does mine), whereas a lot of blue collar employers might not require it. There are a myriad other probing questions to ask regarding causality. Nevertheless, to say it's a product of education, or a lack of education, is just mean-spirited and unhelpful. I might even go out on a limb and say be more educated you are, (i.e post-bachelor or more) the more skeptical you are of this vaccine. But that's purely my working hypothesis born of my own personal interactions.

At any rate, there is ample call to be skeptical of this vaccine. In full disclosure, I myself have been vaccinated. I received the first and second dose of the moderna vaccine in March and April respectively. I was also admitted into the hospital in late June with a suspected myocardiac infarction and minutes away from having my chest split open. Luckily my heart catheter came back clean ("arteries immaculate"). I had a severe case of pericarditis. It's cause remains unknown. After a day in the hospital and 10 days of taking it easy, my cardiologist (I have a cardiologist now) has released me with no restrictions... Except that once I have an attack of pericarditis my chances of having it again go up exponentially. Whether the vaccine caused this heart condition I know have for the rest of my life or not, I will certainly not be getting a booster. My point is though, these are things we should talk about. Not shout people down and insult them for being skeptical.

Par for the course on the old Round Table. I provided data to back up my point, and you countered with anecdotal evidence. This is one of the biggest problems with our society and social media makes it worse. Scientists provide data, and people counter it with 1) stiff they read on facebook, 2) stuff they heard from people on facebook, 3) or their own friends and family experiences. None of those things are statiscally significant. And tragically, people on here take those things as facts.

I am sorry to hear about your heart condition. It is possible that it was caused by the vaccine. It is also very possible that it wasn't. Being skeptical is fine. Taking that to the next level and alluding to some vast liberal global evil plan to take over the world is absurd. That is the kind of shit that @TigerGrowls and @JoeBidenSniffsKids do all the time on here. They are idiots, and I will continue to call them idiots.
 
Par for the course on the old Round Table. I provided data to back up my point, and you countered with anecdotal evidence. This is one of the biggest problems with our society and social media makes it worse. Scientists provide data, and people counter it with 1) stiff they read on facebook, 2) stuff they heard from people on facebook, 3) or their own friends and family experiences. None of those things are statiscally significant. And tragically, people on here take those things as facts.

I am sorry to hear about your heart condition. It is possible that it was caused by the vaccine. It is also very possible that it wasn't. Being skeptical is fine. Taking that to the next level and alluding to some vast liberal global evil plan to take over the world is absurd. That is the kind of shit that @TigerGrowls and @JoeBidenSniffsKids do all the time on here. They are idiots, and I will continue to call them idiots.
The hell are you talking about? When have I ever said anything about an evil plan to take over the world?
 
Par for the course on the old Round Table. I provided data to back up my point, and you countered with anecdotal evidence. This is one of the biggest problems with our society and social media makes it worse. Scientists provide data, and people counter it with 1) stiff they read on facebook, 2) stuff they heard from people on facebook, 3) or their own friends and family experiences. None of those things are statiscally significant. And tragically, people on here take those things as facts.

I am sorry to hear about your heart condition. It is possible that it was caused by the vaccine. It is also very possible that it wasn't. Being skeptical is fine. Taking that to the next level and alluding to some vast liberal global evil plan to take over the world is absurd. That is the kind of shit that @TigerGrowls and @JoeBidenSniffsKids do all the time on here. They are idiots, and I will continue to call them idiots.
I pointed that your "research" does not itself establish the causality you apparently want it to. I was trying to point out that you fell victim to the correlation fallacy and that your insistence on this causal relationship is just meanspirited. I offer conjecture on possible alternative conclusions that could be drawn from the data. My conjecture is no better than your conjecture on this point. Nevertheless, you are most definitely not using science, but at best, pseudoscience... Dressing your bias up under the guise of science.
 
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It's Trump's vaccine, developed out of Operation Warp Speed; so not sure I understand "Lib vaccine disciples" comment. But I am also not too young to remember all those years ago when MSM and the left (redundant?) were questioning whether or not they can trust Trump's vaccine. Alas, this pseudo-vaccine has never not been political. I don't know why we have to be on this board though.

Anyway, I would love to see some of your research on the correlation of level of education for those vaccinated. Anecdotally, I work with a lot of engineers and scientists, most of whom have PhDs or master's degrees, and many refuse to get the vaccine.

Most of what we have been told about this vaccine is not bearing itself out in research. That's something we should absolutely talk about.
It's Trump's vaccine, developed out of Operation Warp Speed; so not sure I understand "Lib vaccine disciples" comment. But I am also not too young to remember all those years ago when MSM and the left (redundant?) were questioning whether or not they can trust Trump's vaccine. Alas, this pseudo-vaccine has never not been political. I don't know why we have to be on this board though.

Anyway, I would love to see some of your research on the correlation of level of education for those vaccinated. Anecdotally, I work with a lot of engineers and scientists, most of whom have PhDs or master's degrees, and many refuse to get the vaccine.

Most of what we have been told about this vaccine is not bearing itself out in research. That's something we should absolutely talk about.
Lol at the irony of those that say "trust science". Science itself is born of not just scepticism, but persistent scepticism.
Yes and one of the most qualified skeptics in the world was banned from Twitter yesterday for exposing the dangers and failure of the vaccine. Dr Robert Malone who invented mRNA technology. Sorry to hear about your heart problem, its criminal to me that so many otherwise healthy people are having “mysterious” problems. It’s not a mystery as these kinds of incidents are happening in the tens of thousands, a huge percentage are cardiovascular.
As to education level I’m a college drop out blue collar worker but I’ve always been one to doubt everything and have to figure things out for myself. I also had the Moderna in March and April and am dreading it now. At the time I was so despondent over this insane reactionary response by the government I had to go to counseling and had turned the news off for months
I started doing searches in February last year after I got very sick (for me, I’m extremely healthy) in November of ‘19 I was in bed for two days and coughed for over three weeks, and when I saw our incompetent leaders talking about “slowing the curve” I.E. illegally suspending civil rights under the false pretense of a National emergency, I started reading what the virologists and epidemiologists in Europe were reporting as they were several weeks ahead of us in infection rate as you know. I’ve been posting here ever since about this, trying to inform and wake people the hell up, but now it gets bounced here as soon as a mod sees it. I’m an in-home technician with a wealthy clientele and I’ve spoken to dozens of doctors off the record in their homes about this. Several of them consider Fauci a criminal who should be jailed.
Every day I wake up and it’s like another episode of The Twilight zone.
I know I’m near the end of the iq bell curve and I trouble shoot and diagnose for a living and I’m intensely curious by nature, but it stills absolutely blows my mind how many simply aren't capable of seeing this for what it is and go on blindly believing this greatest of all lies.
 
I pointed that your "research" does not itself establish the causality you apparently want it to. I was trying to point out that you fell victim to the correlation fallacy and that you're insistence on this causal relationship is just meanspirited. I offer conjecture on possible alternative conclusions that could be drawn from the data. My conjecture is no better than your conjecture on this point. Nevertheless, you are most definitely not using science, but at best, pseudoscience... Dressing your bias up under the guise of science.

The data is quite clear. You are dressing your bias up under the guise of bullshit.

You prefer anecdotal evidence? Mine is the opposite of yours. 100% of my clients hold advanced degrees, 100% are vaccinated and 95%+ are in the top 1% of earners where they live. Myself and most of my friends? The same. All vaxxed.

Is my anecdotal evidence less valuable than yours? I am sure you will try to argue that.
 
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The data is quite clear. You are dressing your bias up under the guise of bullshit.

You prefer anecdotal evidence? Mine is the opposite of yours. 100% of my clients hold advanced degrees, 100% are vaccinated and 95%+ are in the top 1% of earners where they live. Myself and most of my friends? The same. All vaxxed.

Is my anecdotal evidence less valuable than yours? I am sure you will try to argue that.
This is a superfluous argument. A group of people in a study sharing a common behavior along with a certain attribute does not immediately establish causality between the attribute and the observed behavior. That's the key point I'm trying to make about your reference and your conclusions from that reference. It's a very common error in statistics known as the correlation fallacy.

I also think it's meaningless to say that people are hesitant to get the vaccine because they are undereducated. That's a very Orwellian point of view. Should we just relegate all the undereducated to the Ministry of Truth? And if that doesn't work, perhaps then to the Ministry of Love and Room 101 for a more thorough re-education? I'll say it again, your conclusions on this is not just wrong; it is meanspirited and only furthers the divide on the topic of vaccination and vaccination hesitancy.

If demographic data from the very few places that track it from this level of detail (his alone should be a warning that the data should be looked at suspiciously), you'll see that the level of education and the percentage of vaccine hesitancy is constantly changing. One peer-reviewed publication (PLOS ONE, a highly ranked journal) reports that vaccine hesitancy is down to 16% total. Mayoclinic.org reports a 99.9% vaccination rate among the most at-risk population (65+) and better than 83% for the 40+ group (it's likely a lot better than 83%; the actual number is 83.1% for just the 40 to 49 group). The group's not getting vaccinated are the ages five to 11 at 23% and 12 to 17 at 63%. Perhaps these are the undereducated you speak of?

I would like to just have a place where I could talk about my own concerns and biases when it comes to this disease and this so-called vaccine. It would be great if we could have a debate about these things without the meanspiritedness, expletives and epithets that happens on both sides of the argument.
 
This may be news to you, but vaccination status doesn’t stop you from getting it. They’ve said this since day 1
Who are "they"? Because clearly JBiden doesn't know "they". At a July CNN town hall(no one watched)

“This is a simple, basic proposition,” Biden told Don Lemon during a CNN town hall last July. “If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die.”

“You're not going to — you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden added.
 
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Who are "they"? Because clearly JBiden doesn't know "they". At a July CNN town hall(no one watched)

“This is a simple, basic proposition,” Biden told Don Lemon during a CNN town hall last July. “If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die.”

“You're not going to — you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden added.

"But that was different"

I mean of course they are changing their story and talking points. This entire thing has been one giant exercise in moving goal posts.

And now... The vaccine, masks, you name it ... none of it is stopping omicron. Seems like half the people I know - mostly vaxxed - either have it or have had it in the last 2 weeks.
 
This is a superfluous argument. A group of people in a study sharing a common behavior along with a certain attribute does not immediately establish causality between the attribute and the observed behavior. That's the key point I'm trying to make about your reference and your conclusions from that reference. It's a very common error in statistics known as the correlation fallacy.

I also think it's meaningless to say that people are hesitant to get the vaccine because they are undereducated. That's a very Orwellian point of view. Should we just relegate all the undereducated to the Ministry of Truth? And if that doesn't work, perhaps then to the Ministry of Love and Room 101 for a more thorough re-education? I'll say it again, your conclusions on this is not just wrong; it is meanspirited and only furthers the divide on the topic of vaccination and vaccination hesitancy.

If demographic data from the very few places that track it from this level of detail (his alone should be a warning that the data should be looked at suspiciously), you'll see that the level of education and the percentage of vaccine hesitancy is constantly changing. One peer-reviewed publication (PLOS ONE, a highly ranked journal) reports that vaccine hesitancy is down to 16% total. Mayoclinic.org reports a 99.9% vaccination rate among the most at-risk population (65+) and better than 83% for the 40+ group (it's likely a lot better than 83%; the actual number is 83.1% for just the 40 to 49 group). The group's not getting vaccinated are the ages five to 11 at 23% and 12 to 17 at 63%. Perhaps these are the undereducated you speak of?

I would like to just have a place where I could talk about my own concerns and biases when it comes to this disease and this so-called vaccine. It would be great if we could have a debate about these things without the meanspiritedness, expletives and epithets that happens on both sides of the argument.
I don’t know how you can explain it any better than the 3 times you have.


“A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
 
Who are "they"? Because clearly JBiden doesn't know "they". At a July CNN town hall(no one watched)

“This is a simple, basic proposition,” Biden told Don Lemon during a CNN town hall last July. “If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die.”

“You're not going to — you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden added.
this may surprise you, but biden is dumb. if you listen to him you will hear dumb things that will not enrich your life. stop doing it.

people in the field knew from the beginning. it was readily available information. maybe all of the internet research you guys are doing could actually produce something useful?
 
I don’t know how you can explain it any better than the 3 times you have.


“A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”

He explained it multiple times, and I rejected it multiple times. I don't accept anecdotal data as a way to refute real data.
 
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Another interesting statistical phenomenon is that in Africa and I mean the entire continent there have been approximately 235,000 reported death so far. Africa's population is over a billion people. Around the world there have been 5.4 million reported deaths to covid. Africa has a disproportionately low number by an enormous degree. Wonder why that is? When you start looking at what they take there and the fact that because it's a lot of poor countries and they can only get hydrochloroquine and ivermectin...hmmm.

I'd recommend everyone listen to Joe Rogan's podcast with Dr. Malone. It is terrifying it's even half of it is right.
 
He explained it multiple times, and I rejected it multiple times. I don't accept anecdotal data as a way to refute real data.
First let me say that I appreciate this discussion. Thank you for your skepticism and for continuing to come back and point out the inadequacies in my attempt to persuade you to re-examine your position.

Secondly, up until now I thought it possible your position could very well prove to be correct (its not*). My point was simply that you could not tell it from the data you were referencing.

(*) Now that I have followed your links to their source and undertaken the tedious effort to examine the data, here is now the empirical evidence that you are wrong:

1) Using the data from which your reference cited (which came from https://www.census.gov/), of the reported total respondents, a grossly disproportionate number reported a post-high school education (more than half) when only ~38% of the US population falls into that category. I was tipped to this obvious flaw pretty early on from having read some other studies indicating surveys were vastly oversampling people with post-high school education. (Mind you, the survey should not be faulted for this. It is just a tool for gathering data and making more informed hypotheses from which more scientific surveys could be conducted.)

As an aside: your apparent conclusion was but one possible 'informed' hypothesis that could be drawn from the initial survey. Pseudoscience is stopping at the first and substituting a hypothesis for fact (and in so doing falling victim to the correlation fallacy as so many do). My proffering anecdotal evidence was simply conjecture meant to clue the author of a potentially flawed hypothesis to the fact that many questions needed to be answered before for such a conclusion could be made. True science is following through with the additional research (and continuing to do so as long as you continue to learn new things or uncover new questions).

2) When adding in those with no college who are not vaccinated yet but plan to at least 'probably' get a vaccine, the gap about which you speak closes to within or near the standard error.

3) This final item is not 'empirical' per se, but noteworthy nonetheless: consider that the vax was first made available to the medical community and first responders--the overwhelming majority of whom have at least associates degrees (RN's, aka registered nurse, is a two-year associates degree program at many technical schools). Your data came from an article written over the summer using data presumably older still--when the overwhelming majority of those vax'd were the tier 1/first responders.

These are all things that data scientists quickly spot but that the public at large can easily be misled by...specifically those with Journalism and Poli-sci degrees (i.e. the media) and an agenda. Yeah, I am throwing some serious shade at what I otherwise consider to be a shady profession...so let me reveal some of my bias: I hold an MS in Computer Science and am a 'practicing' computer scientist (for the federal government no less! [gasp]). Computer Science is quite heavy on the science of data--but I certainly do not consider myself a 'data-scientist'. I also freely admit there are still flaws in my arguments, but fleshing them out would be a topic of a research thesis for a PhD and dissertation. You'll have to forgive me for not wanting to go through such lengths here.
 
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First let me say that I appreciate this discussion. Thank you for your skepticism and for continuing to come back and point out the inadequacies in my attempt to persuade you to re-examine your position.

Secondly, up until now I thought it possible your position could very well prove to be correct (its not*). My point was simply that you could not tell it from the data you were referencing.

(*) Now that I have followed your links to their source and undertaken the tedious effort to examine the data, here is now the empirical evidence that you are wrong:

1) Using the data from which your reference cited (which came from https://www.census.gov/), of the reported total respondents, a grossly disproportionate number reported a post-high school education (more than half) when only ~38% of the US population falls into that category. I was tipped to this obvious flaw pretty early on from having read some other studies indicating surveys were vastly oversampling people with post-high school education. (Mind you, the survey should not be faulted for this. It is just a tool for gathering data and making more informed hypotheses from which more scientific surveys could be conducted.)

As an aside: your apparent conclusion was but one possible 'informed' hypothesis that could be drawn from the initial survey. Pseudoscience is stopping at the first and substituting a hypothesis for fact (and in so doing falling victim to the correlation fallacy as so many do). My proffering anecdotal evidence was simply conjecture meant to clue the author of a potentially flawed hypothesis to the fact that many questions needed to be answered before for such a conclusion could be made. True science is following through with the additional research (and continuing to do so as long as you continue to learn new things or uncover new questions).

2) When adding in those with no college who are not vaccinated yet but plan to at least 'probably' get a vaccine, the gap about which you speak closes to within or near the standard error.

3) This final item is not 'empirical' per se, but noteworthy nonetheless: consider that the vax was first made available to the medical community and first responders--the overwhelming majority of whom have at least associates degrees (RN's, aka registered nurse, is a two-year associates degree program at many technical schools). Your data came from an article written over the summer using data presumably older still--when the overwhelming majority of those vax'd were the tier 1/first responders.

These are all things that data scientists quickly spot but that the public at large can easily be misled by...specifically those with Journalism and Poli-sci degrees (i.e. the media) and an agenda. Yeah, I am throwing some serious shade at what I otherwise consider to be a shady profession...so let me reveal some of my bias: I hold an MS in Computer Science and am 'practicing' computer scientist (for the federal government no less! [gasp]). Computer Science is quite heavy on the science of data--but I certainly do not consider myself a 'data-scientist'. I also freely admit there are still flaws in my arguments, but fleshing them out would be a topic of a research thesis for a PhD and dissertation. You'll have to forgive me for not wanting to go through such lengths here.


Just a couple of points...

1. If the number of non college folks in this study was statistically insignificant, then my bad. I stand corrected. I don't think that is the case though. So based on the nature of this survey, it does not make a difference.

2. If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump his ass a hoppin. Seriously. Your argument here is akin to a Gamecock arguing that if they had two more quarters to play they would have beaten Clemson this year. The original statement I made was on vaccinations, not intention to get vaccinated. I can tell you as someone who has built businesses in the real world, what people say they are going to do means jack shit. What they might do means even less.

Good on you for working for the government. I chose to chase the money and head to NYC to work for the private sector. We need more qualified people in government, I just wish you were less politically biased.
 
Just a couple of points...

1. If the number of non college folks in this study was statistically insignificant, then my bad. I stand corrected. I don't think that is the case though. So based on the nature of this survey, it does not make a difference.

2. If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump his ass a hoppin. Seriously. Your argument here is akin to a Gamecock arguing that if they had two more quarters to play they would have beaten Clemson this year. The original statement I made was on vaccinations, not intention to get vaccinated. I can tell you as someone who has built businesses in the real world, what people say they are going to do means jack shit. What they might do means even less.

Good on you for working for the government. I chose to chase the money and head to NYC to work for the private sector. We need more qualified people in government, I just wish you were less politically biased.
All fair points. I appreciate your candor and the discussion.

I recognize my political bias and quite frankly I can't help it. But I do respect other well thought-out positions even if they run contrary to mine.

Now for my next topic of debate, I would tell you that even the most politically divided among us agree on at least 75% of the major issues that plague our country. In essence, we are far less politically divided than elected officials and media pot-stirrers would have you believe.

But I'll save all that for another time and in another thread.
 
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Type this into your search engine. (81%of UK Covid deaths vaccinated)
Preferably not Safari,Bing or Google as these are algorithmed to hide the truth. Use DuckDuckGo as your default browser if you aren’t already.
Next type in this- (vaccinologist says vaccine causes virus to mutate more rapidly)
I’ve been saying for over a year and a half, we’re doing the polar opposite of a hundred years of scientifically established pandemic protocol and ignoring that it doesn’t work. Mankind is truly insane.
LOL did you go back and reread what you typed? I can’t stop laughing.
 
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All fair points. I appreciate your candor and the discussion.

I recognize my political bias and quite frankly I can't help it. But I do respect other well thought-out positions even if they run contrary to mine.

Now for my next topic of debate, I would tell you that even the most politically divided among us agree on at least 75% of the major issues that plague our country. In essence, we are far less politically divided than elected officials and media pot-stirrers would have you believe.

But I'll save all that for another time and in another thread.

Now for my next topic of debate, I would tell you that even the most politically divided among us agree on at least 75% of the major issues that plague our country. In essence, we are far less politically divided than elected officials and media pot-stirrers would have you believe.

I agree.
 
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