First poll after PedoHitlers speech
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OK, I don't have time to go one by one, but here are some overall thoughts.
1. You make some valid points. Even some of those I would not characterize as lies since that type of political hyperbole happens from both sides. Trump constantly refers dems as all being radical left socialists.
2. Some of these things you are pointing out, you are not even claiming that they are "lies". You are saying "OK, that's accurate but it bothers me b/c we are not taking the magas' feelings into account. This is rich coming from the "**** your feelings" party.
3. On Trump and magas being extremists. They are. Trump is a populist, and populist movements are based on a "the ends justify the means" attitude. Just look at the supposed "christians" on here that make excuses for his behavior at every turn. I joke often that the religious folk on here hold me - an anonymous message board poster - to a higher standard than the President. Just look at the classified documents. You wanted Hilary hung for this (even though the FBI said she had no classified documents) and now you are making excuses for Trump doing the same thing.
As for trump specifically, I like to read and I have been consuming the many books being released by former trump direct reports during his administration. Truly scary shit. The guy was so embarrassed by being called "bunker boy" that he wanted to deploy the 101st airborne to attack protesters. Literally, a General just ended up ignoring his order. So many REPUBLICANS who worked directly for him have sounded the alarm bells that he wants to run this country like a fascist dictator. The only thing that held him back was fear of not being reelected.
4. MAGA forces are moving the country backwards. This is absolutely true. It wasnt that long ago that most republicans were adamantly against gay marriage. And what do we know about moderate republicans these days? If they dont toe the line and go with the extremist maga policies, they will lose. They have to appeal to the crazies. Look no further than state abortion laws. They could be more reasonable but choose draconian, unless the people are given a say like what happened in Kansas.
5. Biden is absolutely right that magas are trying to alter state election laws so that they can go against the will of the people if need be. It is happening in so many states, so obviously. And when it happens? when pubs claim cheating and negate a democratic win in favor of a republican win? You will say, "the ends justify the means."
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we have failed rural americans, but i don't think it has anything to do with what you mentioned in the rest of your statement. technology is the number one reason why rural americans are being left behind. manufacturing is never going to get back to where it was 50 years ago in the US - we've developed as a nation beyond that. our schools should have placed a much higher focus on STEM, while the gov't should've done all it could to combat the stigma of trade-skill work and provide incentives for businesses to partner with tradeskill schools to keep the supply of tradesmen/women at a high number.
there's also no one party to blame for all of these issues - i think both have done a great job of shitting the bed wrt to this.
What it really shows Jarjar is while you say we are the ones violent and extreme its really you and its not even close. All you have is projection and gaslighting. Attacking the elderly you should have some shame. But groomer supporters dont have shame...
WTF are you talking about you unbalanced MAGAt? Being a Trump supporter STILL, after all we know about him makes YOU THE PROBLEM. Until that gets fixed, this country will stay fvcked.
The Orange Rot Runs Deep
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September 6, 2022
When President Joe Biden called out “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans” last Thursday as representative of “an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic,” he drew a clear line between those supporting the former president and those from all parties who support democracy...
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Actually, this isn't at all what I was talking about. Example is there are more Republicans in California than any other state in the United States. They go COMPLETELY unrepresented at the state level. There are a fair number of House members in California but at the state level, it's total dominance. As our values have diverged so dramatically in recent decades and we become ever more polarized in how we view one another, this has led to more and more aggressive actions by those in rural areas. Remember, these are the people who were proclaimed to be clinging to their guns and their Bibles.
The economics you touched on are another aspect of this but that's only part of the equation. The very notion that those people are left behind in education is kind of bigoted in my view. In many ways, they are far wiser and more informed than those of us more "highly educated" folks are.
He is serious... What tickles me is that by a FoxNews poll, Trump's HIGHEST approval rating was 49%. His highest. Yet MAGA is 65%... got ya. He does REALLY believe it though...
Trump exits White House with drop in approval ratings
President Trump’s one-term tenure in the White House is ending amid sinking approval public opinion ratings in the wake of this month’s attack on the U.S. Capitol.
i mean the same goes for democrats in red states...take texas for example.
that's just how it works out - rural areas are overwhelmingly red and urban areas are overwhelmingly blue. i'd argue that the more diverse an area is, the more likely it is to skew blue, but @iceheart08 can speak to the validity of that given it is his field.
wrt to your last sentence "in many ways, they are far wiser and more informed than those of us more "highly educated" folks are." - i'd like you to elaborate on this further. i was never discussing their intellect - but rather how your typical rural citizen most likely isn't in a STEM field, or one that requires extensive higher education to master it. that's not to say there aren't engineers, scientists, or whatever living in rural areas - just that the vast majority of the citizens there are typically your lower educated manufacturing labor workforce. that's not a slight against them - just an observation. look in the rust belt where for 100+ years blue collar workforce was the backbone of the area - now these manufacturing jobs have dried up and been replaced by automated services which do the jobs more efficiently from a cost-labor perspective.
our government has failed these people by not seeing the growing changes in industry over the last 5 decades and had a proposed a plan to address it. you can say it's not the government's job to do this, and i wouldn't argue with that, but tbqh people are stupid and need to have their hands held. in 2016, clinton accurately said that manufacturing numbers in the US were never going to get back to what they were in the past, and that she had a plan to help out of work blue collar manufacturing laborers learn new modern trades that will help them find a place in this new post-industrial society we live in. she was crucified by the right and by democrats in those areas because people are stupid and want to believe their manufacturing jobs are coming back.
You could say the same thing about your state, just flipped. There are as many dems as republicans in GA (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/georgia/party-affiliation/), but pubs have dominated state government for about 20 years. (https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_Georgia_state_government)
i mean the same goes for democrats in red states...take texas for example.
that's just how it works out - rural areas are overwhelmingly red and urban areas are overwhelmingly blue. i'd argue that the more diverse an area is, the more likely it is to skew blue, but @iceheart08 can speak to the validity of that given it is his field.
wrt to your last sentence "in many ways, they are far wiser and more informed than those of us more "highly educated" folks are." - i'd like you to elaborate on this further. i was never discussing their intellect - but rather how your typical rural citizen most likely isn't in a STEM field, or one that requires extensive higher education to master it. that's not to say there aren't engineers, scientists, or whatever living in rural areas - just that the vast majority of the citizens there are typically your lower educated manufacturing labor workforce. that's not a slight against them - just an observation. look in the rust belt where for 100+ years blue collar workforce was the backbone of the area - now these manufacturing jobs have dried up and been replaced by automated services which do the jobs more efficiently from a cost-labor perspective.
our government has failed these people by not seeing the growing changes in industry over the last 5 decades and had a proposed a plan to address it. you can say it's not the government's job to do this, and i wouldn't argue with that, but tbqh people are stupid and need to have their hands held. in 2016, clinton accurately said that manufacturing numbers in the US were never going to get back to what they were in the past, and that she had a plan to help out of work blue collar manufacturing laborers learn new modern trades that will help them find a place in this new post-industrial society we live in. she was crucified by the right and by democrats in those areas because people are stupid and want to believe their manufacturing jobs are coming back.
I do not think it's our government's job to do any of these things for the people. Providing for the general welfare is a concept we have taken WAY too far. As to your commentary about manufacturing, that's just not something we can agree on in the sense that any decent foresight would have allowed us to make things a lot better for all parties concerned. Evolution is something we all must go through. Every single one of us. It isn't a political abstract.
As for the states situation, it's generally demonstrative that states under Democrat control are much less tolerant of "red" pockets than vice versa. You can go to Texas and visit Austin and San Antonio and feel completely engulfed by leftist policies. Not the least of which is epidemic levels of homelessness but that's another issue entirely. The reverse is generally not true as Democrats, through their appetite for a powerful central government, tend to take away choice as much as they possibly can. What Henry Ford used to say about the Model T would apply well to Democrats these days. "You can choose any color you want for your Model T, as long as it is black."
I mean, like how 13 red states decided to codify abortion being illegal after RvW was overturned, despite there likely being a blue majority in those states? It happens on both sides and to argue that somehow republicans are bigger victims is asinine.
And I mostly agree with you about it not being the government’s job to do those things. I know your stance is the government needs to be practically beaten down to bare tacks and not really have any role in day to day life, but I’m of the belief that will never happen. so the next best thing, imo, would be for them to find ways to help better the population.
I don't normally like to help out and educate the blind but I will in your case.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...cans-fascists-for-almost-60-years/ar-AA11edP3
https://floridianpress.com/2021/07/florida-college-pushes-false-republicans-are-fascist-narrative/
https://thenewamerican.com/democrats-calling-republicans-fascist-is-a-bit-played-and-projection/
These are among multiple articles explaining the term outside of Webster. You liberals are clueless and have shown to be so in the last couple of years along with 8 yrs O'Bama corruption and 8yrs of Clinton debauchery and corruption.
Btw, I'm not a Trump supporter but he is capable of doing what no career politician on either side of the aisle can do and that is run a business whereas this dumbass and the hoe currently serving have never had a real job in their lives other than fleecing the American public.
Watching the mass illegal immigration into the US will backfire on you liberal idiots because they're not fleeing Latin American countries because they love the socialist regimes, they're fleeing because they hate those politics and when the Dem's push that agenda it backfires much like it has in Miami.
Kamala "on her knees" is truly clueless when she says the US needs to send millions to Latin America to help the impoverished. That money will never see the citizens until it is filtered through the corrupt politicians AFTER the cartels allow them to have their take and then maybe the citizens will get some tortillas and rice to feed their families.
I live in a 3rd world country and my wife is laughing at America allowing the mass influx of illegals because Biden is much like AMLO here, clueless and is ruining America much like AMLO is ruing Mexico.
Good Luck!!! LOL
stay in Mexico loser. We will be fine without you.
GFY racist loser, I'm coming back to Clemson legally soon. Hope that doesn't fvck up your plans of me bringing my family over illegally to get your geriatric POTUS and his Hoe a vote.
Go back & read what I typed just after the election & before the election. I said because we lost the House & The Senate & Biden stole the election & we don’t really have a conservative Supreme Court, part of Revelation 13 was fulfilled. I said America is The Lamb With The Two Horns Representing Religious &
Civil Liberty. But We Start Speaking Like A Dragon. Well, You Heard It With Your Own Ears. America Is Now Speaking Like A Dragon.
It's always been a battle for both sides to "help" better the population. Republicans/Conservatives have always been of the assertion that people need to be taught how to pull themselves out of their situation through education, training, etc whereas the left has always taken a socialist view of give them what they need while they maintain their current situation.
Welfare societies and so forth have failed to promote growth because the left isn't interested in bringing the necessary education to teach one how to do but instead tech them them why to remain.
It's history and proven, look at Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico or any other other Socialist country that drank the koolaid.
That's your source? LMAO And yet this Old asshat stood up there much like O'Bama to divide America with his MAGA trying to illegitimatize with 81 million votes which has now been proven some are dead or illegitimate, look towards Wisconsin, Arizona, etc.The Orange Rot Runs Deep
September 6, 2022
When President Joe Biden called out “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans” last Thursday as representative of “an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic,” he drew a clear line between those supporting the former president and those from all parties who support democracy...
Hypocrisy much?
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Damn that was a dumb post. She's actually a well respected author and historian who has taught at MIT and currently teaches at Boston College. The fact that you're still talking about dead people voting and the results in states that have done proctology exams on their elections and found them to be accurate, tells me you lick MAGA taint. It also makes YOU the problem.
Judge: Wisconsin probe found 'absolutely no' election fraud
A Wisconsin judge says that a Republican-ordered, taxpayer-funded investigation into the 2020 election found “absolutely no evidence of election fraud,” but did reveal contempt for the state’s open records law by Assembly Speaker Robin Vos and a former state Supreme Court justice he hired.
apnews.com
Arizona attorney general finds ‘vulnerabilities,’ but says no mass fraud in 2020 election
An interim report from Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich’s (R) investigation into Maricopa County’s 2020 election results is reporting “serious vulnerabilities” but is not alleging that …
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Ha ha ha, thanks for the "education", let me reciprocate.
First of all, I'm not a "lib" and you if you had read any of my posts on this board you would know it. I'm a never Trumper lifelong Republican who absolutely hates MAGA.
Second of all, it is absolutely hilarious the lengths you are going to redefine fascism as a "democrat phenomenon". The articles you provided are pitiful and light on facts but they shed light on your mindset. The argument boils down to "one of the pillars of fascism is big government/big control. You know who wants big government, the left, so THEY are fascists." It's the equivalent of saying a house can fly because it has windows, like planes do. Doesn't have wings, engines, isn't the right shape, doesn't have the electronics, no landing gears, or pilots. But hey, it's got windows, like planes, it must be a plane then!
Beyond the stupidity of "it fits this criteria", I am perplexed by your confusion around intent. I visited the concentration camp Dachau, including the crematorium where they burned the bodies. The "big government" of Nazi Germany has NOTHING to do with the big government the libs are trying to setup. Are you telling me that you don't have the intellectual capacity to differentiate? You see big government providing universal healthcare and free college as the same thing as killing 6 million people. It's the same big government to you? You don't get that the actual pillars of fascism is "what" they are trying to accomplish (ultranationalism, etc.), not just the "how" from a structure standpoint? Jesus Christ there is something wrong with you...
Ironically, in the same post you complain about the loose immigration policies of the left. So tell me something Mr Genius, one of the pillars of fascism is ultranationalism, how does this jive with your accusations that this is a leftist issue? Your argument isn't even internally consistent. Which is it, are they fascists ultranationalists or are they letting the country go to shit by not caring about the integrity of the nation?
You are just full of shit. You are making baseless accusations that fascism is a leftist issue and there's no facts that support your idiotic attempts at redefining it. Trumpism has turned Republicans into snowflakes. They cry and believe they are victims of oppression every time the left does something they don't like. That's what you sound like when you try and misrepresent a universally agreed upon definition of fascism because some lib "hurt you feewings."
Hmmmm a "poll" run by a Disney company. Yeah it's going to be non-biased.This is what it's come to? You don't even name the poll so it can be vetted, you just have to say "a poll" shows some bullshit and it's true? I would posit that the majority of those polled are semi-fascist deplorables that overlooked the things that Trump said every ****ing day, that were worse.
And here's some real poll numbers but you're not going to like them:
The last two polls that pit Biden against Trump, have Biden winning both - one by 6 points
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html
The average of all polls show that Americans prefer Congress to be Democrat leaning
Generic ballot Polls
The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight.projects.fivethirtyeight.com
Suck it fascist
Polls plural, combined polls not commissioned by Disney but why would that matter in the first place? Mickey can't be trusted if DeSatan is mad at them?
Remember when that Nazi Trump called dems fascists???? He declared war on half of the country!!!!! NAZI!!!!!
Like most things your stretching. Saying we would go fascist on policy in the future isnt the same as calling half of America fascist. But considering the lack of language comprehension you have shown so far Im not surprised. Like when he was talking about ms13 and the cartel he said they were rapist and murderers. Your brain heard ALL MEXICANS. Tell you what Im going to pray for you. Because it must suck to have a IQ below 80...Also you guys have been calling our side fascist and racist for the last 20 years so go **** yourself Jarjars....
I think it's yore*. When you're shitting on someone else for having a low IQ maybe try to use the language correctly?
FYI, only libs are elitist like this, so you may want to check your party affiliation.
He literally says "Fascists. They are fascists." He is referring to the democrats. You can spin that shit all you want, but it is what he said.
And feel free to attack me all you want. It does not make your arguments any less feeble.
Did he say Dem voters are fascist? No he didnt. Talking about a few politicians dont equal half the country. Again I understand you struggle with what words mean. Must be hard living in the NYC garbage dump also known as Jersey. But just because you live on top of NY garbage doesnt mean your from NY either.....smh
Yes he did, you ponce. He was talking about democrats, he did not make any mention of specific politicians. He even went on to say, "some of them, not all of them. But they are getting closer and closer." Just how Biden said "not all republicans".
Keep spinning it all you want, you just lose the very small amount of credibility that you have at this point. Reality called, It doesn't want you back.
And your homie @jakefest lives in NJ, not me.
Jake - this yokel is crapping all over your home man. He thinks you are a pussy.
Ahh come on we all know you sit around saying baba booey baba booey baba booey all freaking day long. Dont go dragging Jake down with you now. Jake might be from the Boardwalk which is different...
You are so dumb, you are really dumb - fo real!
Here's the full transcript of his speech with no mention of MS13.
"When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically.
The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.
It's coming from more than Mexico. It's coming from all over South and Latin America, and it's coming probably -- probably -- from the Middle East. But we don't know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don't know what's happening. And it's got to stop and it's got to stop fast."
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His Qorrupt MAGA spin-offs heard it the same way
ARE YOU TIRED OF WINNING YET!?!?
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the fact that you think living on or near a “boardwalk” is a sign of exclusivity or wealth tells me everything I need to know about you.
Love how you always add words and meaning to what people say...Your like a beta Kathy Newman....
derp derp derp.... Dont see the quote "ALL MEXICANS ARE RAPIST AND MURDERERS" in that transcript either. Reason? Thats a whole different speech you posted a transcript of Jarjar. Because after all we are talking about that speech he said that. You or anybody hasnt posted that yet without the question about ms13 being edited out.....So once again you show your just derp derp derp.....
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Oh got it! If he said it in one speech but not in another then it's like he didn't say it and everything's cool cause he's a nice man.
derp derp derp.......you have yet to provide any speech where he said "ALL MEXICANS ARE RAPIST AND MURDERERS" as you claim. Just admit your full of it and move on ,take the L........derp derp derp
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Oh I got it now! He re-arranged the words so they dont say what he meant and he wouldn't mean to say that anyway because he likes mexicans and even if he doesn't he wouldn't say they're rapists because he really means someone else!
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
You are so, so, so basic. I am sorry that the public school system has failed you so spectacularly. It’s no wonder that you are so angry.
