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Fox giving out Fake News?

There's a reason Fox News has been #1 forever. It's because the rest are fake news, resistance propaganda for the leftist, commie, pinko sleaze.

Fox has some good ones for sure, but also propagandists such Hannity and Kilmeade. To think Hannity is not slinging stuff for the right would be being completely blinded by your own bias.
 
He should just admit he messed up and move on. If you like this administration's agenda, then you should like the job he's done. It also seems likely that the media was highly interested in finding faults with him.

So the ends justify the means no matter what mistakes a guy has made? Isn't that the whole thing behind Trump anyways?
 
As a Constitutionalist, I'm ashamed to say that my son was brainwashed into becoming (essentially) a liberal at the brainwashing institution known as Clemson University.
However, when we get together and actually have a chance to talk about the details and facts on specific issues, he backs away from that ledge on pretty much every single issue.

But in spite of the brainwashing he has been subjected to, he does make a real attempt to follow up and find the truth when news is reported.
And back about 6 months or so ago, he surprised me and told me he gets his news from Fox news. Although Fox does have SOME bias (and of course, there are opinion shows like Hannity that are clearly biased), the NEWS reporting is the most accurate, by far. My son the socialist admitted that all the other 3 letter networks were SO heavily biased that they ignore facts that matter and push their agenda past all logic.
 
So the ends justify the means no matter what mistakes a guy has made? Isn't that the whole thing behind Trump anyways?

You obviously need to watch Fox news.
The answer is NO, they are NOT behind Trump always. When he doesn't follow campaign promises, they nail him. When he says things which have evidence may not be true, they bring it to light.
VERY much UNLIKE the other networks, which almost NEVER questioned Obama on ANYTHING.
 
As a Constitutionalist, I'm ashamed to say that my son was brainwashed into becoming (essentially) a liberal at the brainwashing institution known as Clemson University.
However, when we get together and actually have a chance to talk about the details and facts on specific issues, he backs away from that ledge on pretty much every single issue.

But in spite of the brainwashing he has been subjected to, he does make a real attempt to follow up and find the truth when news is reported.
And back about 6 months or so ago, he surprised me and told me he gets his news from Fox news. Although Fox does have SOME bias (and of course, there are opinion shows like Hannity that are clearly biased), the NEWS reporting is the most accurate, by far. My son the socialist admitted that all the other 3 letter networks were SO heavily biased that they ignore facts that matter and push their agenda past all logic.
This is so laughable! Clemson University doesn't brainwash anyone. In fact, I don't remember a single political view expressed in any class during my 4.5 years there. Maybe your son is just more intelligent than his old man.
 
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NO. He intentionally hooked up his folks on the taxpayer's dime, and punished people for pointing it out. That's not draining the swamp, that's criminal behavior. And the fact that he's doing some things that Trump (and you) like does not excuse him from breaking the law. This isn't some small time screw up, this is intentional corruption of the system by a guy in position of power who should (and does... else why the lying about it) know better.

Now, I'll admit that I'm no fan of his. I can remember back in the 70s when upstate NY farmer's crops were getting burned by acid rain caused by coal plants in the mid west. I can also remember the pollution these plants dumped into the rivers b/c no one was watching. Cancer is a nasty thing to give to kids, but that was what was going on. I think that the head of the Environmental Protection Agency should you know, be a champion for the environment. He or she should be raising hell about deregulation. It's the President's job to reign that in and provide reasonable direction for the agency.

Oh.
 
Fox has some good ones for sure, but also propagandists such Hannity and Kilmeade. To think Hannity is not slinging stuff for the right would be being completely blinded by your own bias.

There is definitely some degree of truth there. He will indeed overstate his case.
BUT>>>>
Things the liberal media totally ignores, such as all the very questionable FISA abuse stuff and the clear bias against Trump and for Hillary during the election, is all coming to light now.
Hannity is about 85% right, maybe a bit more. All the opinion shows ignore legitimate points made by the other side, but Hannity is more right than most on the left want to admit.
 
This is so laughable! Clemson University doesn't brainwash anyone. In fact, I don't remember a single political view expressed in any class during my 4.5 years there. Maybe your son is just more intelligent than his old man.

You're an engineer, right? Would be pretty unusual to hear much about real life in engineering classes.
 
I am not posting about Fox but I am posting about the ridiculous abuse of power by almost all these clowns regardless of party. It never ceases to amaze that people don't look up and see that a majority of the 10-15 richest counties in America ring Washington DC. We spend massive amounts of money and get very little for it. Our leaders are so corrupt and so dishonest. We should be throwing all these jackasses out of power. Our intended system of government would work great. What we've turned it into is a bloated disaster for the people. It should be purged from our society. Now I feel better. :)

This really isn't true. We have much less corruption than just about everywhere, and the kind of cynicism you're expressing just enables nutjobs.
 
Too much FoxNews for you. Remember when we were told by Trump himself that his staff had no meetings with the Russians? Remember when Trump told us that he hadn't spoken with the Russians and had no one to call (and all the while he was negotiating for a Trump Tower in Moscow)? These things were clearly lies, but do not prove collusion in any way.

Look, I have no idea whether there was collusion or not. None. But anyone who thinks there is no collusion just b/c Trump tweets that there's no collusion is not thinking things through. Trump lies all the time. Trump tells the truth all the time as well. What comes out of his mouth is whatever he perceives to be best for him at the time. I have no doubt that if he colluded with Russia, he would ABSOLUTELY deny it. If he didn't collude with Russia he would ABSOLUTELY deny it. That's why we have a special council to run down the truth.

Mueller is one bad ass law man. In this day and age, you don't find many like him. He was nominated by a Republican President (George W) to be head of the FBI. He was unanimously confirmed in the Senate (98-0, with 2 Senators absent for the vote). He served out Bush's two terms and finished his 10 year appointment under Obama with no problems. Before he was appointed special council, Trump had him on the short list to be the director of the FBI again. He's a registered Republican, but he's put some obvious liberals on his investigative team as well. Based on his record, I trust him to do the right thing. If he says there's no collusion, I believe him. End of story.

Hopfultiger13, there is a major point you don't get here:
It really doesn't matter if there was "collusion" or not.
There is NO "COLLUSION" law. It doesn't exist.
Even if Trump did EVERYTHING his biggest haters want to believe he did, there is NO LAW against it! There is NO LAW against "collusion".
And it's really hard to see how he could interfere with the investigation, given that the investigation has continued non-stop!
The WHOLE THING is a freaking JOKE!
 
There is definitely some degree of truth there. He will indeed overstate his case.
BUT>>>>
Things the liberal media totally ignores, such as all the very questionable FISA abuse stuff and the clear bias against Trump and for Hillary during the election, is all coming to light now.
Hannity is about 85% right, maybe a bit more. All the opinion shows ignore legitimate points made by the other side, but Hannity is more right than most on the left want to admit.
Respectfully, NO he's effing not. He's not 25% right, much less 85%. I used to listen to the guy all the time, basically daily on the radio. He's off the reservation now. Clearly a mouth piece that has thrown every shred of integrity he allegedly had out the window. The guy is scum. He deserves whatever he gets after all this is said and done.
 
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Being a liberal right now is equivalent of being a gamecock fan. It's gotta be really hard.
 
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There is definitely some degree of truth there. He will indeed overstate his case.
BUT>>>>
Things the liberal media totally ignores, such as all the very questionable FISA abuse stuff and the clear bias against Trump and for Hillary during the election, is all coming to light now.
Hannity is about 85% right, maybe a bit more. All the opinion shows ignore legitimate points made by the other side, but Hannity is more right than most on the left want to admit.
The last of the shock jock political guys that was above 50% was probably Neil Boortz. Hannity is one of the guys ruining the word 'conservatism'.
 
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You're an engineer, right? Would be pretty unusual to hear much about real life in engineering classes.
Our Econ department is impressively apolitical, with a very, very minor right wing bias.
 
I'm not saying Fox News doesn't lean right b/c I know it does...
But pretty much every other cable news outlet has gone so far to the left that anything remotely close to the center is considered "right wing"...

So I don't think Fox News is the right wing, "state run", conspiracy theorists that many liberals make them out to be.. . That just sounds like something MSNBC would say actually...
 
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I'm not saying Fox News doesn't lean right b/c I know it does...
But pretty much every other cable news outlet has gone so far to the left that anything remotely close to the center is considered "right wing"...

So I don't think Fox News is the right wing, "state run", conspiracy theorists that many liberals make them out to be.. . That just sounds like something MSNBC would say actually...
I dunno. I don't want to defend CNN, and I know that MSNBC leans left. But you have to ask yourself. Is it more likely that everyone BUT Fox leans far left, or that the center is further left than you realize? Just a thought exercise.
 
CNN clearly is the most accurate and truthful of all news networks. They focus on real issues like missing airplanes, Russia conspiracy and hot steamy TMZ drama with stormy Daniels. These are the real issues people want to hear about. LOLOL
ya, all those are pretty important right now, actually. Can you imagine the coverage on Fox News if Obama was repeatedly accused of having affairs and paying to cover them up?
 
I'm not saying Fox News doesn't lean right b/c I know it does...
But pretty much every other cable news outlet has gone so far to the left that anything remotely close to the center is considered "right wing"...

So I don't think Fox News is the right wing, "state run", conspiracy theorists that many liberals make them out to be.. . That just sounds like something MSNBC would say actually...
Fox news is FAR right wing. There is no denying that
 
Our Econ department is impressively apolitical, with a very, very minor right wing bias.

Well, yeah, it's an economics department.

But like others said, I don't recall being pushed one way or the other by professors. I knew most of them leaned left, and they would make little jokes every once in a while, but nobody was advocating for particular candidates or acting as if other ways of thinking then their own were beyond the pale. Of course, this was before the adolescent tyranny of SJWs, so who knows what goes on now.

I did have a class with Susanna Ashton, who's now Chair of the English Department, I believe. She was one of the signatories of the "See the Stripes" thing where they basically called for quotas and speech codes. Looking back on it, the class I took with her had a very left-wing perspective, but I already had my own perspective and was more interested in thinking through what was being presented than in ideological battles.

I also took classes in the Philosophy Department from Dianne Perpich and Todd May, a left-wing lesbian who teaches feminist gender theory and a left-wing anarchist, respectively. Both clearly taught their perspectives, but they welcomed critical comments. I did slip up and say I thought all the feminist stuff in the philosophy of gender and sexuality class was "bull shit," though. Youthful indiscretion.
 
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So the ends justify the means no matter what mistakes a guy has made? Isn't that the whole thing behind Trump anyways?

No, more like I'm not sure a lot of this with Pruitt is a huge deal. If he broke laws, then he should go. But if he didn't and this is just embarrassing stuff, then I think the people who support this administration's agenda should want him to stay. Similar things have happened with other agency heads under other presidents, and they didn't resign.
 
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I'm not saying it means anything, but the biggest idiot on every message board in the rivals network is a Trump supporter.
 
Hopfultiger13, there is a major point you don't get here:
It really doesn't matter if there was "collusion" or not.
There is NO "COLLUSION" law. It doesn't exist.
Even if Trump did EVERYTHING his biggest haters want to believe he did, there is NO LAW against it! There is NO LAW against "collusion".
And it's really hard to see how he could interfere with the investigation, given that the investigation has continued non-stop!
The WHOLE THING is a freaking JOKE!

Again, too much FoxNews for you. There is indeed a federal statute about this (if there weren't, there would be no special council/criminal investigation). There are laws governing aid given to political campaigns by both individuals and foreign governments.

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The key term here seems to be "anything of value". Is political information that can be used against your opponent valuable? Lot's of folks would think so. And emails obtained show clearly that Trump Jr. met with the Russians to get that info.

And even Stevie Wonder can see how the President could interfere with an investigation. He could perhaps fire the head of the FBI? He could threaten to fire the special investigator? He could threaten to fire the AG (Sessions)? Any of those things familiar? I'm assuming that your statement about that is the joke and you didn't really mean it.

It's not a joke. Again, I have no idea if Trump is guilty or not and fully admit that it's a steep hill to climb to prove that (as it should be). But the widespread believe among Trump's base (spread by FoxNews) that's there's no law here to be broken is just plain old fake news of the finest order.
 
You obviously need to watch Fox news.
The answer is NO, they are NOT behind Trump always. When he doesn't follow campaign promises, they nail him. When he says things which have evidence may not be true, they bring it to light.
VERY much UNLIKE the other networks, which almost NEVER questioned Obama on ANYTHING.

The 1st part of this is dead on. Only Hannity seems to give Trump a free pass. I've even seen Carlson go after him for some things he's said. Shep Smith has gone off more than once.

Then you blow it. As a person who watches the liberal AND conservative programs, Obama was certainly questioned and criticized by the liberal leaned media.
 
I like Nicole Wallace. She generally tells it like it is. I can tell she's liberal, but she tries to keep things fair. Her choice in guests that she interviews leaves something to be desired though... they are sometimes over the edge left leaning.
Actually Nicole Wallace is a republican. A true republican that are hard to find now a days. The Republican party has been hijacked by Plutocrat's, paleolibertarians, radical Christians, Nazi sympathizers and pedophiles.
 
Maybe so, but apparently CNN and MSNBC are much bigger jokes, since Fox kills them in ratings.

I'm not sure that ratings is really the basis of comparison you want to use on things.
 
Nope. Just b/c you don't like it, doesn't make it fake. There are some ass clowns on FoxNews AND on the other sites (Hannity and Madow both spring to mind). But there are some folks working for the Washington Post and NY Times that are damn fine reporters as well. Remember them breaking stories about all the meetings between Trump's staff and the Russians? Remember Trumps calling all those reports of the meetings Fake News? Any yet every damn one turned out to be true. That's good investigative journalism and exactly what a free press is supposed to do.

I'm not denying that the NYT and Washington Post are biased. They clearly are IMHO (just like FoxNews is biased the other way). But just as FoxNews covers issues that the liberal media gloss over, the same can be said on the other side. The left leaning sites cover issues that FoxNews doesn't touch. I listen to both sides and then decide for myself.

The fact that you still believe there were a bunch of meetings between Trump's people and the Russians, tells me that your head has been pumped full of fake news. There has been no uncovering of Russian collusion, no indictments of Russian collusion; except for a handful of Russian trolls, yet I would bet that you still believe Trump and his pals stole the election. lmao

Hannity makes no apologies for being a conservative pundit and a Trump supporter, but I do not think he makes stuff up. In fact, everything he has said about the fake dossier, bad actors in high places within the FBI, DOJ and State Dept have all been proven true so far. Why do you think McCabe got fired?
 
Too much FoxNews for you. Remember when we were told by Trump himself that his staff had no meetings with the Russians? Remember when Trump told us that he hadn't spoken with the Russians and had no one to call (and all the while he was negotiating for a Trump Tower in Moscow)? These things were clearly lies, but do not prove collusion in any way.

Look, I have no idea whether there was collusion or not. None. But anyone who thinks there is no collusion just b/c Trump tweets that there's no collusion is not thinking things through. Trump lies all the time. Trump tells the truth all the time as well. What comes out of his mouth is whatever he perceives to be best for him at the time. I have no doubt that if he colluded with Russia, he would ABSOLUTELY deny it. If he didn't collude with Russia he would ABSOLUTELY deny it. That's why we have a special council to run down the truth.

Mueller is one bad ass law man. In this day and age, you don't find many like him. He was nominated by a Republican President (George W) to be head of the FBI. He was unanimously confirmed in the Senate (98-0, with 2 Senators absent for the vote). He served out Bush's two terms and finished his 10 year appointment under Obama with no problems. Before he was appointed special council, Trump had him on the short list to be the director of the FBI again. He's a registered Republican, but he's put some obvious liberals on his investigative team as well. Based on his record, I trust him to do the right thing. If he says there's no collusion, I believe him. End of story.

hahaha. You obviously don't know anything about Mueller. Look up Whitey Bulger, look up the Anderson accounting firm. Look up what he did to 4-5 Merril Lynch executives. Mueller has a record of putting innocent people in jail. Some died in jail and has cost the American taxpayer 100's of millions of dollars in lawsuit settlements.
Mueller has been a major part of most of the most embarrassing screw ups by the FBI and DOJ in American history. Better do some homework before bringing that fake news story regarding who Mueller is into this. In this case, he's nothing more than a political hitman, yet he can't seem to come up with anything after 18 months. General Flynn will exonerated. Carter Page will be a rich man once he starts suing these people. Just came out that Manafort's house was illegally raided by Mueller.
 
Being a liberal right now is equivalent of being a gamecock fan. It's gotta be really hard.

I don't know about being a liberal--but all this stupid tariff war tough guy Trump talk is making it hard on my retirement.

Dow down 572 points today--2% of my personal savings gone--thanks to a president who can't keep himself from tweeting nonsense.

As a moderate I was really glad to finally see a Republican or two (in this case Ben Sasse, who I applaud) finally call the president out. Glad to see Ed Henry not let Pruitt get away with the rubbish (Ed is a reporter but he also is on fox and friends so he blurs the editorial/opinion/journalist line).

We haven't even talked about how Sinclair, which owns the majority of local news, has gone from conservative to straight propaganda.

All the while supposed free traders, social conservatives, and those afraid of central govt sit on their hands and let Trump get away with whatever he wants.

It is tough to be a conservative in Trump world because you wake up to another tweet and the base has all shifted in the ideological breeze, flip flopping on positions. Must be hard to become (at least ideologically) democrats overnight.

That is what happens when you have an authoritarian president and a conservative ideology prone to be taken in by demagogues.
 
There is definitely some degree of truth there. He will indeed overstate his case.
BUT>>>>
Things the liberal media totally ignores, such as all the very questionable FISA abuse stuff and the clear bias against Trump and for Hillary during the election, is all coming to light now.
Hannity is about 85% right, maybe a bit more. All the opinion shows ignore legitimate points made by the other side, but Hannity is more right than most on the left want to admit.

Yep, blinded by that bias! No way Hannity is 85 percent right. The Daily show used to run snippets of him almost every night where he was complaining about Obama but gave Bush a full pass when the subject matter was virtually identical. Media Matters also has consistently pointed out stuff that he says that is just 100 percent fake. It is a lot. He is an opinion hack. But, yes, MSNBC and CNN have opinion hacks on the left too. To say the other side is bad for having hacks but your side is really ok bc your hack only says 15 percent of crap (lowball estimate too I might add) is just completely two-faced.
 
You obviously need to watch Fox news.
The answer is NO, they are NOT behind Trump always. When he doesn't follow campaign promises, they nail him. When he says things which have evidence may not be true, they bring it to light.
VERY much UNLIKE the other networks, which almost NEVER questioned Obama on ANYTHING.

You did not watch CNN or CBS News during the Obama administration then. I remember when both networks hammered him for ignoring his "red-line" statement on Syria. I am pretty sure the ABC sunday news show slammed him for that too. I also recall CNN giving Michael Flynn a nightly obama punching bag segment where he constantly gave Obama Hell for worrying about re-election vs. National Security. These are two just off the top of my head. There are and were many many many more. I think you are suffering from political bias, plain and simple. Me, I dont have that problem as I am Libertarian and my party is always ignored. But I just love these right wingers who think only Fox was critical of Obama. That is just pure garbage.
 
The fact that you still believe there were a bunch of meetings between Trump's people and the Russians, tells me that your head has been pumped full of fake news. There has been no uncovering of Russian collusion, no indictments of Russian collusion; except for a handful of Russian trolls, yet I would bet that you still believe Trump and his pals stole the election. lmao

Hannity makes no apologies for being a conservative pundit and a Trump supporter, but I do not think he makes stuff up. In fact, everything he has said about the fake dossier, bad actors in high places within the FBI, DOJ and State Dept have all been proven true so far. Why do you think McCabe got fired?

Dude please. After swearing under oath that he had no contact with the Russians. Sessions had to "correct" his testamony twice b/c he had contact with the Russians that he forgot to mention. He claims that this contact was part of his job as Senator, but oddly enough he didn't have contact before endorsing Trump. That's public record now. Paul Manaford has pleaded guilty to lying to the BFI about his meetings with the Russians. That's public record. Donald Trump Jr. had to make additions to his FBI clearance paperwork b/c he "forgot" his meeting with Russians. Remember that one that Jr said was about adopting Russian kids but then leaked emails showed that the meeting was to get Dirt on Hillary? And Trump's son-in-law has had to make more than 100 additions to his clearance paperwork because of things he "forgot" about. Including meetings with the Russians. These are all public record and are NOT fake. They happened. They were also all called fake news by your Lord and Savior Trump. No so much. And now we know that Trump was negotiating a deal for a Trump Tower in Moscow. I'm sure he never spoke to or met with a single Russian about that.

The fact that you don't see that these meetings happened really baffles me. Is there collusion? I have no idea, but these meeting happened. And your Lord and Savior lied about it.
 
hahaha. You obviously don't know anything about Mueller. Look up Whitey Bulger, look up the Anderson accounting firm. Look up what he did to 4-5 Merril Lynch executives. Mueller has a record of putting innocent people in jail. Some died in jail and has cost the American taxpayer 100's of millions of dollars in lawsuit settlements.
Mueller has been a major part of most of the most embarrassing screw ups by the FBI and DOJ in American history. Better do some homework before bringing that fake news story regarding who Mueller is into this. In this case, he's nothing more than a political hitman, yet he can't seem to come up with anything after 18 months. General Flynn will exonerated. Carter Page will be a rich man once he starts suing these people. Just came out that Manafort's house was illegally raided by Mueller.

Let me fill you in on how the justice system works. The police (Mueller) investigate crimes and make arrests. Federal Prosecutors decide if the evidence supports a trial (and they negotiate plea deals and such with input from the defense and presiding judge). Then and Judge and jury try the case and decide guilt or innocence. So 12 men and women decided the fates of these folks, not Mueller.

I did look that stuff up. Notice the dates of all these articles? MMMM. Since he started investigating Trump no? Interesting that it never came up until then right? Senate confirmation hearing? Nope... not ONE Democrat brought it up or voted against him. Republican either. All that testimony in front of congress for over a decade? Not a peep. Apparently your Lord and Savior thought enough of him to consider him for the FBI head again. Wouldn't that make your Dear Leader... gasp! Wrong to consider him if he was so bad?

But start to investigate Trump and look at what a complete POS he all of a sudden is... Funny how that works isn't it. Everyone is great until they disagree with His Magesty, then they are trash. It's NEVER Trump that's wrong, it's everyone else.

And just because Trump can't take a dump without a leak from his staff telling us what he had to eat yesterday doesn't mean that Mueller runs the same type of organization. The ONLY thing we know about his investigation is the paperwork he HAD to file to do his job. And that's probably all we'll know until the investigation is done.
 
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Let me fill you in on how the justice system works. The police (Mueller) investigate crimes and make arrests. Federal Prosecutors decide if the evidence supports a trial (and they negotiate plea deals and such with input from the defense and presiding judge). Then and Judge and jury try the case and decide guilt or innocence. So 12 men and women decided the fates of these folks, not Mueller.

I did look that stuff up. Notice the dates of all these articles? MMMM. Since he started investigating Trump no? Interesting that it never came up until then right? Senate confirmation hearing? Nope... not ONE Democrat brought it up or voted against him. Republican either. All that testimony in front of congress for over a decade? Not a peep. Apparently your Lord and Savior thought enough of him to consider him for the FBI head again. Wouldn't that make your Dear Leader... gasp! Wrong to consider him if he was so bad?

But start to investigate Trump and look at what a complete POS he all of a sudden is... Funny how that works isn't it. Everyone is great until they disagree with His Magesty, then they are trash. It's NEVER Trump that's wrong, it's everyone else.

And just because Trump can't take a dump without a leak from his staff telling us what he had to eat yesterday doesn't mean that Mueller runs the same type of organization. The ONLY thing we know about his investigation is the paperwork he HAD to file to do his job. And that's probably all we'll know until the investigation is done.
I don't know why you would appeal to reason with someone who didn't originally arrive at their opinion through reason.
 
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hahaha. You obviously don't know anything about Mueller. Look up Whitey Bulger, look up the Anderson accounting firm. Look up what he did to 4-5 Merril Lynch executives. Mueller has a record of putting innocent people in jail. Some died in jail and has cost the American taxpayer 100's of millions of dollars in lawsuit settlements.
Mueller has been a major part of most of the most embarrassing screw ups by the FBI and DOJ in American history. Better do some homework before bringing that fake news story regarding who Mueller is into this. In this case, he's nothing more than a political hitman, yet he can't seem to come up with anything after 18 months. General Flynn will exonerated. Carter Page will be a rich man once he starts suing these people. Just came out that Manafort's house was illegally raided by Mueller.

Carter Page? You are really staking your credibility on Carter Page?

So please explain this simple question. How did this guy get caught in surveillance, talking to SVR agents (Russian spys) when the FBI busted the SVR spy ring in 2013? The SVR agents called him gullible and very eager to help them. How did that happen?

In what world is Flynn exonerated? Forget all the felonies involving being a foreign agent and taking money without disclosure--he was reportedly at a meeting where Turkish govt reps were plotting to kidnap a cleric Fethullah Gulen from Pennsylvania?!?
And he lied to the special counsel. Easy.

But you can't possibly be defending Manafort--one of the dirtiest players in Washington since the 80's. So his business partner Gates who turned isn't telling the truth? I notice that you don't mention the actually merits of the case against Manfort--the multiple grand juries, the emails showing how he incriminated HIMSELF because he couldn't convert a pdf to word?? Hahaha...
Stop getting your hopes up reading the Abrams blog thing. No judge is going to throw the case out--they got like 15 separate warrants. The crimes are under the purview of the original mandate and any claim of the 'secret' Rosenstein memo dated after the seizure doesn't matter. It can easily be explained as Rosenstein specifically outlining things once the evidence was brought in. Manafort was the campaign chair and at the Trump Tower meeting. He can be investigated for anything financial and his Ukraine connections (and by extension Russia) are potentially the heart of the matter.

You have just gotten caught in the same spin machine that churned out the Nunes Memo as the greatest threat to democracy since sliced bread, because all it really is--is a way to justify firing Rosenstein and then Sessions to squash the investigation and subvert the rule of law. You see how the conservative media propaganda is working and how you are being used in that scheme??

I'm fine with critiquing Mueller, but most of those critiques are what liberals have said about him for years. He should be criticized for Bulger and we still don't know what he knew and when he knew it as acting US attorney in Boston. But he wasn't the corrupt FBI agents who were Bulger's handlers either. He wrote letters opposing the clemency of the 4 wrongfully convicted for murder.
You can critique for supporting torture and detainees in the wake of 9/11. The anthrax, etc.

But that doesn't mean that the subjects of the special counsel investigation aren't deserving of investigation.
 
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