Gallup polling history on race relations

[Willence]

This is astonishing to look at. Here's the history of polling on this subject. Just look what happened after Ferguson, Mo and the Michael Brown situation. It has just dropped like a rock since then. That a totally false story tanked us this way is such a tragedy. What's even worse is that through this the grievance industry realized how much power it could wield and it has done so since then to a horrendously negative effect.

All the real issues (of which there are many related to race) have taken a backseat to something far more cynical.

Race Relations

Overall, how satisfied are you with your life -- are you very satisfied, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied, or very dissatisfied? Next we'd like to know how you feel about the way various groups in society are treated. For each of the following groups please say whether you are very...

news.gallup.com

Here's a pretty sensible analysis of a recent video from a magazine called The Cut which asked black people "So what are white people superior at?"



Couple stuff like this with what went on with the Dilbert writer this week and the rise of Nazism and militant groups in the black community as well. We're just making a terrible mess right now.

I wonder what it's going to take for us to stop going backward at such a rapid rate?

 

[Hammerdawg.NEAR]

Ferguson was a huge wake up call for me. At the time i was young and somewhat of an Obama fan, but the rhetoric coming from the WH and media during and after Ferguson juxtaposed with the facts just completely soured me

Leading up to that i was somewhat distrustful of the media, but that one event was what made me realize you cant trust media or politicians to be honest on any level

 

[TigerGrowls]

The controllers want to be keep us fighting each other so they can get away with whatever they want to do. The media is just a tool of the controllers.

 

[adgjunior]

The controllers want to be keep us fighting each other so they can get away with whatever they want to do. The media is just a tool of the controllers.

I will give you a "like" for this post if you'll agree that the media you consume (and share) and the controllers you espouse on this message board are also part of the problem.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I will give you a "like" for this post if you'll agree that the media you consume (and share) and the controllers you espouse on this message board are also part of the problem.

The controllers are definitely part of the problem. The hidden controllers for the most part. I will agree that my favorite media sources are slanted right but I am honest in stating that I think those viewpoints are correct and are being hidden/filtered a lot of the time.

 

[scotchtiger]

It really is a shame what the Obama era and overall weaponization of race the last 10 years has done to the country. Most of it with the purposeful intent to divide. So sad.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

It really is a shame what the Obama era and overall weaponization of race the last 10 years has done to the country. Most of it with the purposeful intent to divide. So sad.

Did Obama promote the idea that he was a Muslim born in Kenya? Or was that idea propagated by someone else

 

[dpic73]

It really is a shame what the Obama era and overall weaponization of race the last 10 years has done to the country. Most of it with the purposeful intent to divide. So sad.

What does Obama have to do with this? I watched a documentary on him the other night and it reminded me that he had a hard time getting traction with the black community because they didn't trust him - thought he was too white, didn't understand them culturally etc...etc... He had a tall hill to climb to gain their support as they were firmly behind Hillary for most of that campaign. He would have been mercilessly pilloried if he didn't show solidarity with their concerns, but it's not like he did anything that was actually damaging to race relations - unless you were someone who didn't like race relations being addressed by a black President. He was only divisive if you viewed him through that lens. Since his tenure, things have gotten markedly worse and pundits think it's due to white backlash. I for one respected the hell out of that man and wish we could have him back.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

What does Obama have to do with this? I watched a documentary on him the other night and it reminded me that he had a hard time getting traction with the black community because they didn't trust him - thought he was too white, didn't understand them culturally etc...etc... He had a tall hill to climb to gain their support as they were firmly behind Hillary for most of that campaign. He would have been mercilessly pilloried if he didn't show solidarity with their concerns, but it's not like he did anything that was actually damaging to race relations - unless you were someone who didn't like race relations being addressed by a black President. He was only divisive if you viewed him through that lens. Since his tenure, things have gotten markedly worse and pundits think it's due to white backlash. I for one respected the hell out of that man and wish we could have him back.

I would trade Obama's 2nd term for a Romney presidency in a heartbeat. Wouldn't have had the disaffected, slightly prejudiced white vote power Trump to a win, and we'd be better off for it.

 

[Willence]

Did Obama promote the idea that he was a Muslim born in Kenya? Or was that idea propagated by someone else

No, that crap was ridiculous. He was targeted in such an offensive way. It's an example of how the right will lose its mind when faced with a very talented and charismatic politician in the opposing party. I didn't like Obama for a lot of reasons but the notion that he was Muslim or not born in our country was just awful.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

No, that crap was ridiculous. He was targeted in such an offensive way. It's an example of how the right will lose its mind when faced with a very talented and charismatic politician in the opposing party. I didn't like Obama for a lot of reasons but the notion that he was Muslim or not born in our country was just awful.

Yeah, I just raise the point because some on the right always find a way to blame him for "making everything about race," or something of that ilk, when they're the ones that have it out for him on the basis of that alone

 

[Willence]

What does Obama have to do with this? I watched a documentary on him the other night and it reminded me that he had a hard time getting traction with the black community because they didn't trust him - thought he was too white, didn't understand them culturally etc...etc... He had a tall hill to climb to gain their support as they were firmly behind Hillary for most of that campaign. He would have been mercilessly pilloried if he didn't show solidarity with their concerns, but it's not like he did anything that was actually damaging to race relations - unless you were someone who didn't like race relations being addressed by a black President. He was only divisive if you viewed him through that lens. Since his tenure, things have gotten markedly worse and pundits think it's due to white backlash. I for one respected the hell out of that man and wish we could have him back.

He was, more than anyone, uniquely positioned to help our nation through that mess. He was all over the place during this time. Sometimes he would speak in a very balanced and needed way about what was going on. Other times, he would just go off to places he shouldn't have.



The President was in a tough spot because of his balancing act. I can't speak to what you said about the black community not trusting him but I do know that no president in history has ever gotten a higher percentage of the black vote (both in overall vote and percentage of ballots cast) than Obama did. Though I did not want him to win in 2008, my heart was warmed knowing that our country would elect a president who wasn't a white man.

I do believe he did a great deal to damage race relations though. It's evident in the polling we see. He didn't make the terrible events we witnessed happen but his reactions and words could have been different. Through these events, people on the extreme left and extreme right discovered there is great power in racial politics. They have since used these kind of things to divide us more so than at any point I can remember in my adult life.

When I was a kid growing up in Columbia, MD, I was a huge Georgetown basketball fan. Patrick Ewing and Reggie Williams were my guys. I can remember how threatened people were by an all black basketball team with a black coach. I'll never forget people calling Patrick Ewing a primate, etc. It was just awful! I also remember a front office person going on the news and saying a black man wasn't intelligent enough to be a quarterback in the NFL. We've come so far since that kind of ignorance was on display in our country. My best friend growing up was black and he remained my best friend until his death five years ago. In so many ways, our friendship marked the changing dynamic we saw around us and our different perspectives were used to strengthen each others understanding of people around us, not as a division point.

We need to stop the path we're on now. It's going to lead us no where good. I hate the things I am hearing on the left and the right. I listened to the full comments by the Dilbert guy and no matter how he tried to justify it, I found his comments heart breaking. Just as I found the comments on the video from The Cut heartbreaking. I can't believe this is where we are now.

 

[Willence]

The controllers are definitely part of the problem. The hidden controllers for the most part. I will agree that my favorite media sources are slanted right but I am honest in stating that I think those viewpoints are correct and are being hidden/filtered a lot of the time.

What I would urge you to consider is those viewpoints may seem correct with the grievances/concerns you have in your heart and mind. But those are your feelings and not necessarily those of reality for all. We are all so susceptible to confirmation bias. With so many sources around us, it's just not hard to find people who are going to validate your feelings about almost any subject. That is a very slippery slope though. We need to recognize that even our own ideas are not infallible and they aren't necessarily a solution that will help everyone. That's why we need varying viewpoints with good faith discussion and scrutiny applied to all ideas from all angles. That's the most tried and true way to reach solutions that will help the most possible people.

 

[adgjunior]

The controllers are definitely part of the problem. The hidden controllers for the most part. I will agree that my favorite media sources are slanted right but I am honest in stating that I think those viewpoints are correct and are being hidden/filtered a lot of the time.

No "like" for you!

You danced around it, but stopped short in calling your media sources (and fav politicians) part of the problem.

 

[dpic73]

He was, more than anyone, uniquely positioned to help our nation through that mess. He was all over the place during this time. Sometimes he would speak in a very balanced and needed way about what was going on. Other times, he would just go off to places he shouldn't have.

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The President was in a tough spot because of his balancing act. I can't speak to what you said about the black community not trusting him but I do know that no president in history has ever gotten a higher percentage of the black vote (both in overall vote and percentage of ballots cast) than Obama did. Though I did not want him to win in 2008, my heart was warmed knowing that our country would elect a president who wasn't a white man.

I do believe he did a great deal to damage race relations though. It's evident in the polling we see. He didn't make the terrible events we witnessed happen but his reactions and words could have been different. Through these events, people on the extreme left and extreme right discovered there is great power in racial politics. They have since used these kind of things to divide us more so than at any point I can remember in my adult life.

When I was a kid growing up in Columbia, MD, I was a huge Georgetown basketball fan. Patrick Ewing and Reggie Williams were my guys. I can remember how threatened people were by an all black basketball team with a black coach. I'll never forget people calling Patrick Ewing a primate, etc. It was just awful! I also remember a front office person going on the news and saying a black man wasn't intelligent enough to be a quarterback in the NFL. We've come so far since that kind of ignorance was on display in our country. My best friend growing up was black and he remained my best friend until his death five years ago. In so many ways, our friendship marked the changing dynamic we saw around us and our different perspectives were used to strengthen each others understanding of people around us, not as a division point.

We need to stop the path we're on now. It's going to lead us no where good. I hate the things I am hearing on the left and the right. I listened to the full comments by the Dilbert guy and no matter how he tried to justify it, I found his comments heart breaking. Just as I found the comments on the video from The Cut heartbreaking. I can't believe this is where we are now.

He may have been uniquely positioned but he also had to walk a unique tightrope in order to show that he was the President for all Americans, not just the black ones. In the documentary I saw, he struggled with that because he was concerned about showing favoritism to anyone. Blacks were tugging at him to be their voice while he tried to present himself as the voice for all races and all parties.

Sure he got a huge percentage of the black vote AFTER he won the primary but it was an uphill battle to get them on his side due to their allegiance to Hillary.

I haven't seen and don't see anything that would be considered damaging unless that's just what you want to see. If the video you attached is supposed to prove that, it absolutely did not. There was nothing he said there that wasn't true or didn't need to be said - I've heard many white politicians say the same thing. He certainly wasn't hyperbolic there and just keep in mind, he was indebted to the black community to advocate on their behalf when it was warranted, but he never over-stepped in his rhetoric if you ask me. He is a great man and was a great President in my opinion. I guess we all just see what we want to see and that's depressing.

 

[flotiger]

He may have been uniquely positioned but he also had to walk a unique tightrope in order to show that he was the President for all Americans, not just the black ones. In the documentary I saw, he struggled with that because he was concerned about showing favoritism to anyone. Blacks were tugging at him to be their voice while he tried to present himself as the voice for all races and all parties.

Sure he got a huge percentage of the black vote AFTER he won the primary but it was an uphill battle to get them on his side due to their allegiance to Hillary.

I haven't seen and don't see anything that would be considered damaging unless that's just what you want to see. If the video you attached is supposed to prove that, it absolutely did not. There was nothing he said there that wasn't true or didn't need to be said - I've heard many white politicians say the same thing. He certainly wasn't hyperbolic there and just keep in mind, he was indebted to the black community to advocate on their behalf when it was warranted, but he never over-stepped in his rhetoric if you ask me. He is a great man and was a great President in my opinion. I guess we all just see what we want to see and that's depressing.

Well said.

 

[flotiger]

It really is a shame what the Obama era and overall weaponization of race the last 10 years has done to the country. Most of it with the purposeful intent to divide. So sad.

🤦 Ridiculous take on a complex subject.

 

[CUT93]

He may have been uniquely positioned but he also had to walk a unique tightrope in order to show that he was the President for all Americans, not just the black ones. In the documentary I saw, he struggled with that because he was concerned about showing favoritism to anyone. Blacks were tugging at him to be their voice while he tried to present himself as the voice for all races and all parties.

Sure he got a huge percentage of the black vote AFTER he won the primary but it was an uphill battle to get them on his side due to their allegiance to Hillary.

I haven't seen and don't see anything that would be considered damaging unless that's just what you want to see. If the video you attached is supposed to prove that, it absolutely did not. There was nothing he said there that wasn't true or didn't need to be said - I've heard many white politicians say the same thing. He certainly wasn't hyperbolic there and just keep in mind, he was indebted to the black community to advocate on their behalf when it was warranted, but he never over-stepped in his rhetoric if you ask me. He is a great man and was a great President in my opinion. I guess we all just see what we want to see and that's depressing.

This very much includes you, which you obviously fail to recognize. Statistics and studies have repeatedly shown race relations declined significantly during his time as president.

He repeatedly stepped over the line both in commenting on open trials/cases (which should not happen) and with rhetoric on race matters. He poured gasoline on the fire way more often than trying to put it out.

 

[dpic73]

This very much includes you, which you obviously fail to recognize. Statistics and studies have repeatedly shown race relations declined significantly during his time as president.

He repeatedly stepped over the line both in commenting on open trials/cases (which should not happen) and with rhetoric on race matters. He poured gasoline on the fire way more often than trying to put it out.

I was a witness to everything he said and did regarding racial issues and I never saw him step over the line; funny how we could see it so differently huh?

Again, it was only over the line if you viewed him through a different prism and if studies showed race relations declined during that period, was it because of what he actually said and did or how you interpreted it based on your own internal, erm, biases?( **cough) We've seen enough of your posts to know how you viewed him and that's all I'll say about that, but give me specific examples where he overstepped and poured gasoline on the fire - keeping in mind that he felt a responsibility to his community when he felt an advocate was needed.

 

[flotiger]

This very much includes you, which you obviously fail to recognize. Statistics and studies have repeatedly shown race relations declined significantly during his time as president.

He repeatedly stepped over the line both in commenting on open trials/cases (which should not happen) and with rhetoric on race matters. He poured gasoline on the fire way more often than trying to put it out.

He didn't step over the line, and for those that think he did, it's because the subject is a touchy one to them, and it was a black man in power that was making them uncomfortable. There are those, as we've seen backing the previous administration, that are unhappy with that.

If there are studies, and I say if, that show race relation declined, then I'd counter that it's because 1) white people just want the discussion to go away as if they never did anything and if history didn't exist, and 2) black people became more vocal and allowed their resentment of how they and their fore fathers were treated, get the best of them. But your point and conclusion that a black president talking about race harmed race relations is out of context.

 

[Willence]

I was a witness to everything he said and did regarding racial issues and I never saw him step over the line; funny how we could see it so differently huh?

Again, it was only over the line if you viewed him through a different prism and if studies showed race relations declined during that period, was it because of what he actually said and did or how you interpreted it based on your own internal, erm, biases?( **cough) We've seen enough of your posts to know how you viewed him and that's all I'll say about that, but give me specific examples where he overstepped and poured gasoline on the fire - keeping in mind that he felt a responsibility to his community when he felt an advocate was needed.

So what I took from your post here is that if we didn't like him then it's because of our racist biases and that we didn't want a black president. And if we have something legitimate then we just have to understand that he was trying to keep a delicate balance between himself and the black community when he felt they needed an advocate. Is that correct?

What if we just disagreed with his politics and didn't like the way he handled himself? What if we didn't like the fact that he absolutely took a match to a number of issues including the whole Trayvon Martin situation where he said that he could be his son. You found the video I linked to be no problem but clearly in there he is talking in a very imbalanced way about the challenges we face and interactions between the police and our black community in the United States.

Anyone who has any black friends will know that this is a problem for real in this country. Likewise, we also need to understand that from the police perspective there are also challenges inherent with that. As someone who is uniquely positioned to perhaps straddle the middle and be a connector of the two sides, he missed a great opportunity to heal some long-term wounds in this country. As someone who has been wrongfully accosted by police, it's not something you ever forget and whenever you think about it you become very angry. I know my black friends become very upset when they talk about the times that they were wrongfully stopped. I'm not in denial about the fact that there's a problem but I also recognize that there's a lot there that we have to unpack and work through and it will require both sides to be willing participants.

Unfortunately someone like me does not have the gravitas or the position to try to bring this to light. But he did and he failed. Just as he failed in so many other ways. I respect that you like him and felt he was a great president. From your political perspective I am sure that he was. However my objection to his policies in viewpoints and the way that he conducted himself has nothing to do with what he looks like and everything to do with what's inside his heart and mind in terms of political philosophy.

 

[Willence]

He didn't step over the line, and for those that think he did, it's because the subject is a touchy one to them, and it was a black man in power that was making them uncomfortable. There are those, as we've seen backing the previous administration, that are unhappy with that.

If there are studies, and I say if, that show race relation declined, then I'd counter that it's because 1) white people just want the discussion to go away as if they never did anything and if history didn't exist, and 2) black people became more vocal and allowed their resentment of how they and their fore fathers were treated, get the best of them. But your point and conclusion that a black president talking about race harmed race relations is out of context.

This is just you ignoring reality. It's an attempt to justify everything and that doesn't work. I don't know why you would go there. The first step toward having a fair and equal country is for people to stop bringing up the race or gender of the person every time someone has an objection with something they said. Unfortunately folks like you don't seem to be able to get past that point. You want to use that shield anytime it gets a little hot in the kitchen. That's not right.

 

[CUT93]

I was a witness to everything he said and did regarding racial issues and I never saw him step over the line; funny how we could see it so differently huh?

Again, it was only over the line if you viewed him through a different prism and if studies showed race relations declined during that period, was it because of what he actually said and did or how you interpreted it based on your own internal, erm, biases?( **cough) We've seen enough of your posts to know how you viewed him and that's all I'll say about that, but give me specific examples where he overstepped and poured gasoline on the fire - keeping in mind that he felt a responsibility to his community when he felt an advocate was needed.

Two things. The potus only has ONE community when he is in office. The citizens of the United States. Should every president stump for his/her race while in office? Is that what you are saying?

To your question, Obama commented more than once on Trayvon Martin case while it was in progress. His comments were not to the effect of " please let the case play out and be decided by a jury". That is what you say - if you say anything. Instead he got up there and basically tainted a whole nation with his ridiculous "he could be my son" statement. Anyone(this means you) who does not think that was completely unacceptable and prejudicial is simply not objective. Your lens/prism is far from objective and skews your view. Below is another example.

Obama regrets remarks in racially charged case

President Barack Obama backed down on Friday from a statement that police had "acted stupidly" in arresting a black scholar in a racially charged case that was rapidly becoming a distraction for Obama.

www.reuters.com

Not only were his reckless, inexcusable comments wrong on their face, they also emboldened and greenlighted the press to make reckless, biased reporting an acceptable practice- which was already well on it's way.

 

[CUT93]

He didn't step over the line, and for those that think he did, it's because the subject is a touchy one to them, and it was a black man in power that was making them uncomfortable. There are those, as we've seen backing the previous administration, that are unhappy with that.

If there are studies, and I say if, that show race relation declined, then I'd counter that it's because 1) white people just want the discussion to go away as if they never did anything and if history didn't exist, and 2) black people became more vocal and allowed their resentment of how they and their fore fathers were treated, get the best of them. But your point and conclusion that a black president talking about race harmed race relations is out of context.

In U.S., Obama Effect on Racial Matters Falls Short of Hopes

Americans' views of what President Barack Obama's election means for black progress and race relations are much less positive today, near the end of his presidency, than they were right after he was elected and early in his presidency.

news.gallup.com

There is no "if". So you can just stop with that crap. There are numerous other articles that show the same.

If you don't think characterizing some one involved in an open case as some one that could be your son as the potus, you simply have no objectivity.

 

[flotiger]

In U.S., Obama Effect on Racial Matters Falls Short of Hopes

Americans' views of what President Barack Obama's election means for black progress and race relations are much less positive today, near the end of his presidency, than they were right after he was elected and early in his presidency.

news.gallup.com

There is no "if". So you can just stop with that crap. There are numerous other articles that show the same.

If you don't think characterizing some one involved in an open case as some one that could be your son as the potus, you simply have no objectivity.

He regretted that. Agreed. It was poor choice of words.

But my concern is what you think the Gallop data shows. The article and data make perfect sense, but I don't understand what you think it means.

 

[CUT93]

He regretted that. Agreed. It was poor choice of words.

But my concern is what you think the Gallop data shows. The article and data make perfect sense, but I don't understand what you think it means.

"He didn't step over the line, and for those that think he did, it's because the subject is a touchy one to them, and it was a black man in power that was making them uncomfortable. " - your quote.

When you make statements like that that are clearly false it is bc YOU see everything through a particular lens. That is not the only example of times he said things like that. However, the fact that you accuse others of implicit bias due to race when you clearly lack objectivity is a problem. When you enter a discussion immediately thinking someone who doesn't agree with you is due to race, there is no way to have discussions- not legitimate ones anyway.

Also, which gallup poll are you referring to? The one in that article or the one scotch posted. Either, show race relations clearly declined under obama. We can argue the degree of culpability obama has, but not the fact that it happened.

 

[flotiger]

"He didn't step over the line, and for those that think he did, it's because the subject is a touchy one to them, and it was a black man in power that was making them uncomfortable. " - your quote.

When you make statements like that that are clearly false it is bc YOU see everything through a particular lens. That is not the only example of times he said things like that. However, the fact that you accuse others of implicit bias due to race when you clearly lack objectivity is a problem. When you enter a discussion immediately thinking someone who doesn't agree with you is due to race, there is no way to have discussions- not legitimate ones anyway.

Also, which gallup poll are you referring to? The one in that article or the one scotch posted. Either, show race relations clearly declined under obama. We can argue the degree of culpability obama has, but not the fact that it happened.

Lol. Ok.

 

[firegiver]

He may have been uniquely positioned but he also had to walk a unique tightrope in order to show that he was the President for all Americans, not just the black ones. In the documentary I saw, he struggled with that because he was concerned about showing favoritism to anyone. Blacks were tugging at him to be their voice while he tried to present himself as the voice for all races and all parties.

Sure he got a huge percentage of the black vote AFTER he won the primary but it was an uphill battle to get them on his side due to their allegiance to Hillary.

I haven't seen and don't see anything that would be considered damaging unless that's just what you want to see. If the video you attached is supposed to prove that, it absolutely did not. There was nothing he said there that wasn't true or didn't need to be said - I've heard many white politicians say the same thing. He certainly wasn't hyperbolic there and just keep in mind, he was indebted to the black community to advocate on their behalf when it was warranted, but he never over-stepped in his rhetoric if you ask me. He is a great man and was a great President in my opinion. I guess we all just see what we want to see and that's depressing.

I agree. I cant understand a single bit of the ame white Americans give to Obama for the racial tensions of that and current time.
People flipped out because he said if he had a son he'd look like Trayvon Martin. That is the only "controversial" take he ever made in race relations. It was so tame but good lord fox News chomped on that and spun the narrative that it was controversial to empathize with a murdered victim and acknowledging his race and likeness.
Racial profiling is a thing. Racial bias is a thing proven out by objective science. Some aren't ready for that conversation.

 

[dpic73]

So what I took from your post here is that if we didn't like him then it's because of our racist biases and that we didn't want a black president. And if we have something legitimate then we just have to understand that he was trying to keep a delicate balance between himself and the black community when he felt they needed an advocate. Is that correct?

What if we just disagreed with his politics and didn't like the way he handled himself? What if we didn't like the fact that he absolutely took a match to a number of issues including the whole Trayvon Martin situation where he said that he could be his son. You found the video I linked to be no problem but clearly in there he is talking in a very imbalanced way about the challenges we face and interactions between the police and our black community in the United States.

Anyone who has any black friends will know that this is a problem for real in this country. Likewise, we also need to understand that from the police perspective there are also challenges inherent with that. As someone who is uniquely positioned to perhaps straddle the middle and be a connector of the two sides, he missed a great opportunity to heal some long-term wounds in this country. As someone who has been wrongfully accosted by police, it's not something you ever forget and whenever you think about it you become very angry. I know my black friends become very upset when they talk about the times that they were wrongfully stopped. I'm not in denial about the fact that there's a problem but I also recognize that there's a lot there that we have to unpack and work through and it will require both sides to be willing participants.

Unfortunately someone like me does not have the gravitas or the position to try to bring this to light. But he did and he failed. Just as he failed in so many other ways. I respect that you like him and felt he was a great president. From your political perspective I am sure that he was. However my objection to his policies in viewpoints and the way that he conducted himself has nothing to do with what he looks like and everything to do with what's inside his heart and mind in terms of political philosophy.

This is another area where I don't think we see things through the same prism. I understood that the man had the weight of the black community on his shoulders and he felt a responsibility to advocate for them at times. The first black President in history, which was astounding in itself, but he was put there with the help of the majority of blacks that voted for him and they had very high hopes. I understood his dilemna and I understood his pain - a black child should not be killed by a security guard for walking and wearing a hoodie while black. Not something that happens with white kids you might have noticed. So where I understood why he said what he did, you condemned him for it. I'm not going to call you a racist but I'm also not blind to the fact that your political affiliation was a factor in how you viewed his comments. He's a decent man and spoke out because he needed to. That's it - why that led to so much white rage is beyond me.

 

[dpic73]

Two things. The potus only has ONE community when he is in office. The citizens of the United States. Should every president stump for his/her race while in office? Is that what you are saying?

To your question, Obama commented more than once on Trayvon Martin case while it was in progress. His comments were not to the effect of " please let the case play out and be decided by a jury". That is what you say - if you say anything. Instead he got up there and basically tainted a whole nation with his ridiculous "he could be my son" statement. Anyone(this means you) who does not think that was completely unacceptable and prejudicial is simply not objective. Your lens/prism is far from objective and skews your view. Below is another example.

Obama regrets remarks in racially charged case

President Barack Obama backed down on Friday from a statement that police had "acted stupidly" in arresting a black scholar in a racially charged case that was rapidly becoming a distraction for Obama.

www.reuters.com

Not only were his reckless, inexcusable comments wrong on their face, they also emboldened and greenlighted the press to make reckless, biased reporting an acceptable practice- which was already well on it's way.

Oh holy hell, this will definitely bring me to say the "but Trump" line that pisses you off so much but it deserves it. Was Trump the President for all Americans? I promise you I never felt the love while he blasted me and everyone on my side relentlessly day after day after day. So you can go f yourself with that ONE community garbage - you didn't give two shits when he blasted 55% of the population on the daily, now did you?

And how do you read the article you attached and not see the decency of the man? First, he shouldn't have said what he did though I understood it. He then apologizes, compliments the police and asks them to get together for a beer. Why didn't that leave an impression on you? He made a mistake, he apologized for it and he tried to make amends...that should resonate if you have a moral compass - would his successor do the same? You know the answer. We've all seen how you're eager to jump into every race discussion to sling around your casual racism at the drop of a hat so we know your lens is compromised.

Reckless my ass

 

[TigerGrowls]

Oh holy hell, this will definitely bring me to say the "but Trump" line that pisses you off so much but it deserves it. Was Trump the President for all Americans? I promise you I never felt the love while he blasted me and everyone on my side relentlessly day after day after day. So you can go f yourself with that ONE community garbage - you didn't give two shits when he blasted 55% of the population on the daily, now did you?

And how do you read the article you attached and not see the decency of the man? First, he shouldn't have said what he did though I understood it. He then apologizes, compliments the police and asks them to get together for a beer. Why didn't that leave an impression on you? He made a mistake, he apologized for it and he tried to make amends...that should resonate if you have a moral compass - would his successor do the same? You know the answer. We've all seen how you're eager to jump into every race discussion to sling around your casual racism at the drop of a hat so we know your lens is compromised.

Reckless my ass

Trump did more for black americans and improved their lives economically than any president in recent history and thats a fact. The Trump record towers over Obama in terms of achievement in all aspects so you statement that Trump was not a President for all Americans is obviously incorrect and is due to your highly slanted personal opinions and serious case of TDS.

White House: Trump opportunity zones raised $75B to rebuild poorest communities - Washington Examiner

The Trump administration’s tax break for underprivileged neighborhoods has attracted an estimated $75 billion dollars in private investment, potentially lifting 1 million people out of poverty, according to a White House study.Opportunity zones were created in the tax overhaul of 2017, offering...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

https://www.newsmax.com/lynnepatton/black-floyd-hbcu/2023/02/27/id/1110358/

President Trump Has Created an Economic Boom for Blacks In America

townhall.com

 

[CUT93]

Oh holy hell, this will definitely bring me to say the "but Trump" line that pisses you off so much but it deserves it. Was Trump the President for all Americans? I promise you I never felt the love while he blasted me and everyone on my side relentlessly day after day after day. So you can go f yourself with that ONE community garbage - you didn't give two shits when he blasted 55% of the population on the daily, now did you?

And how do you read the article you attached and not see the decency of the man? First, he shouldn't have said what he did though I understood it. He then apologizes, compliments the police and asks them to get together for a beer. Why didn't that leave an impression on you? He made a mistake, he apologized for it and he tried to make amends...that should resonate if you have a moral compass - would his successor do the same? You know the answer. We've all seen how you're eager to jump into every race discussion to sling around your casual racism at the drop of a hat so we know your lens is compromised.

Reckless my ass

A few things.

First, I don't know how many times I have to tell you this before you can comprehend it - I am not a trump fan. I don't like him and do not hold him up as some sort of standard for potus. I freely admit I voted for him, as he was the better choice from a policy standpoint.

Second, this is your quote in one post "I was a witness to everything he said and did regarding racial issues and I never saw him step over the line." I called you on that, telling you it was not true. Thank you for admitting above that it was in fact not true. The fact he apologized does not mean he did not do it.

Does the fact that trump did/did not not do something excuse obama from doing the same? Is that your argument?

It seems you are in every race discussion as well. Does that make you a racist?
Please give me ONE example of racism from me - casual or not.

Also, obama basically called himself reckless in response to his comments calling the cambridge police stupid before he even knew what the fact of the case were. So, yes, reckless indeed.

 

[dpic73]

Trump did more for black americans and improved their lives economically than any president in recent history and thats a fact. The Trump record towers over Obama in terms of achievement in all aspects so you statement that Trump was not a President for all Americans is obviously incorrect and is due to your highly slanted personal opinions and serious case of TDS.

White House: Trump opportunity zones raised $75B to rebuild poorest communities - Washington Examiner

The Trump administration’s tax break for underprivileged neighborhoods has attracted an estimated $75 billion dollars in private investment, potentially lifting 1 million people out of poverty, according to a White House study.Opportunity zones were created in the tax overhaul of 2017, offering...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

https://www.newsmax.com/lynnepatton/black-floyd-hbcu/2023/02/27/id/1110358/

President Trump Has Created an Economic Boom for Blacks In America

townhall.com

All presidents do "some" good things but that doesn't make him good and again, he certainly wasn't on my side.

The Opportunity Zones were a flop by the way.

Trump is touting Opportunity Zones as a huge success with no proof

Home sales data from 2,760 zones compiled by ATTOM Data Solutions and analyzed by NBC News showed that value in 900 of those zones declined.

www.nbcnews.com

Opportunity Zones Don't Boost Economic Activity, Research Says • Stateline

The opportunity zone tax break so far appears to be having little to no impact on economic activity in distressed communities, academic researchers said Wednesday at a one-day online conference convened by the Brookings Institution, a nonpartisan Washington, D.C., think tank. They cautioned...

www.pewtrusts.org

 

[Jjh7]

I would trade Obama's 2nd term for a Romney presidency in a heartbeat. Wouldn't have had the disaffected, slightly prejudiced white vote power Trump to a win, and we'd be better off for it.

"why look in the mirror and use rational, self reflective thought to analyze what led to the conditions that saw trump get elected? it definitely, surely, absolutely doesnt have anything to do with anything we did. no, definitely cant be anything we did to leave so many people so disillusioned with the govt and disparate in life they chose the furthest thing from a career politician, desperately hoping things would get better. theyre all just a bunch of racists." - liberals

and thats why it will only get worse. it had nothing to do with race or any other ism people want to invent to protect themselves from acknowledging mistakes. hell a sizable amount of obama voters shifted to trump in 2016, which was the difference. crazy all those white supremacists voted for obama huh?

history is going to weep over how fkn stupid this country became. the only people obsessed with race are the ones who use it to explain everything position that doesnt align with their own

 

[TigerGrowls]

All presidents do "some" good things but that doesn't make him good and again, he certainly wasn't on my side.

The Opportunity Zones were a flop by the way.

Trump is touting Opportunity Zones as a huge success with no proof

Home sales data from 2,760 zones compiled by ATTOM Data Solutions and analyzed by NBC News showed that value in 900 of those zones declined.

www.nbcnews.com

Opportunity Zones Don't Boost Economic Activity, Research Says • Stateline

The opportunity zone tax break so far appears to be having little to no impact on economic activity in distressed communities, academic researchers said Wednesday at a one-day online conference convened by the Brookings Institution, a nonpartisan Washington, D.C., think tank. They cautioned...

www.pewtrusts.org

Leftist propaganda.

 

[dpic73]

A few things.

First, I don't know how many times I have to tell you this before you can comprehend it - I am not a trump fan. I don't like him and do not hold him up as some sort of standard for potus. I freely admit I voted for him, as he was the better choice from a policy standpoint.

Second, this is your quote in one post "I was a witness to everything he said and did regarding racial issues and I never saw him step over the line." I called you on that, telling you it was not true. Thank you for admitting above that it was in fact not true. The fact he apologized does not mean he did not do it.

Does the fact that trump did/did not not do something excuse obama from doing the same? Is that your argument?

It seems you are in every race discussion as well. Does that make you a racist?
Please give me ONE example of racism from me - casual or not.

Also, obama basically called himself reckless in response to his comments calling the cambridge police stupid before he even knew what the fact of the case were. So, yes, reckless indeed.

I don't care how many times you say you're not a Trump supporter, you have defended him to the death many times on here, for even his most egregious acts.

And to be clear, I didn't think he was reckless even if he said it. He said it to calm things down but it was ridiculous to call the cops on a decent man trying to get in his back door because he was "breaking in while black" .

CASUAL RACISM

I think it is more likely that there is a smaller pool of qualified black candidates. Maybe that has to do with race somewhere lower down the food chain where black coaches are not given the opportunity at lower levels and don't develop some of the skills needed to run a program, I really don't know.

If the cause of crime is being in poverty stricken areas, then I would further suggest the fact that the large majority of these areas being under democrat control is not insignificant.

Blacks account for 27% of rapes while accounting for 13.6% of the population. So, while whites percentages slightly exceed there percentage of the population, blacks are about double their percentage of the population. If either population needs to address this specific issue, the data clearly suggests it is the black community.

 

[CUT93]

I don't care how many times you say you're not a Trump supporter, you have defended him to the death many times on here, for even his most egregious acts.

And to be clear, I didn't think he was reckless even if he said it. He said it to calm things down but it was ridiculous to call the cops on a decent man trying to get in his back door because he was "breaking in while black" .

CASUAL RACISM

I never said I did not support trump. I admitted I voted for him. I do not like him or think he is a good person. He was still better than the alternative when I voted for him, though. You believing me has nothing to with the truth. Most of what you believe has nothing to do with the truth, for that matter.

So obama saying the cops were stupid without knowing what happened was supposed to calm things down? Are you serious? Also, He wasn't trying to get in his back door. He was already inside the house. He became belligerent with the cops(this is supported by a witness, not just the police officer), and that was the reason he was arrested. We do not know exactly what was said by any of the parties, but even obama admitted he was wrong once he found out the facts.


I don't care how many times you say you're not a Trump supporter, you have defended him to the death many times on here, for even his most egregious acts.

And to be clear, I didn't think he was reckless even if he said it. He said it to calm things down but it was ridiculous to call the cops on a decent man trying to get in his back door because he was "breaking in while black" .

CASUAL RACISM

I think it is more likely that there is a smaller pool of qualified black candidates. Maybe that has to do with race somewhere lower down the food chain where black coaches are not given the opportunity at lower levels and don't develop some of the skills needed to run a program, I really don't know.

If the cause of crime is being in poverty stricken areas, then I would further suggest the fact that the large majority of these areas being under democrat control is not insignificant.

Blacks account for 27% of rapes while accounting for 13.6% of the population. So, while whites percentages slightly exceed there percentage of the population, blacks are about double their percentage of the population. If either population needs to address this specific issue, the data clearly suggests it is the black community.

One of those post does not even mention race- Just fyi. None of them have any context.

In the last one I am pretty sure I was responding to someone who said the white community needed to address the rape problem in our community. As the stats I provided show, rapes are committed by black offenders at twice the rate of white offenders as a percentage of the population. There is absolutely nothing racist about pointing that out to someone implying/stating that rape was a "white" problem.

As for the coaching discussion, I stand by what I believe. I think there is too much $$$ at stake to believe AD's are not hiring black coaches for hc positions bc they are black if they are the best candidates. I also stated that race COULD be a factor in that there may not be enough qualified black D1 candidates due to racial bias at lower levels of coaching.

Also, I am not going to do it bc it is too time consuming, but I bet if you looked at the percentage of black head coaches that are fired at the D1 level, it would support my opinion that there are simply not enough qualified candidates at the D1 level. What is the success/failure ratio for black/vs white D1 coaches? I would argue now, just as I did then that the primary problem is that not enough black coaches are given opportunities at lower level programs to gain the experience necessary to be successful at the D1 level.