The point of the vaccine is to prevent severe Illness/hospitalization and every single bit of data proves it is extremely successful in this regard
how do you live in todays world and not know this?
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how do you live in todays world and not know this?
I agree with your statement about reducing severe illness but I would also say that Fauci et al didn’t do themselves any favors by coming out and saying you were at no risk of catching it once vaccinated with little data to support those statements. All they did was create more skeptics by stating what they hoped would happen as fact.
Let me guess— you cap your dinner with a little horse paste every night?
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I don’t disagree. CDC has obviously struggled with their messaging and made too many blanket statements
But they’re learning about this disease in real time just like everyone else. I do not envy their job right now especially when there have become so many far right conspiracy theorists who think they’re smarter than doctors and scientists
Relax. I didn’t personally attack you. You didn’t answer my question about the hpv. Was genuinely curious if it’s only the covid vaccine you’re against or extends to other recommended vaccines as well?
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I know you're a very smart guy and we've disagreed with this throughout. I don't expect that to change but I will take another pass.
There are WILD inconsistencies and overt lies that have been told to us by public health officials throughout this. That doesn't bother you? It doesn't bother you that the research has all been cultivated toward everyone getting multiple shots that now seem endless. It doesn't bother you that Moderna's CEO is now saying we'll need new doses in the Fall and onward indefinitely? Why are we not looking into have they've twisted and distorted the studies to determine the safety of this shot? How can someone so intelligent not be willing to look around and at least evaluate the other information that's available? It's ironic to me that "big pharma" is so evil for much of the time but when it comes to Covid, they are the apostles. Truly humorous how we twist ourselves like pretzels to accommodate our narratives.
We haven't researched why it's so much less severe in Africa or why in the poorer parts of India they have almost crushed Covid with other meds and treatments. It's just goes on and on and we just keep repeating the same things because that's what we're told with little to no regard for the track record of these people. Remember when Sweden was going to sacrifice everyone in their country? They are in the bottom half of death rates per million and they are not having issues now. Other than what you've been instructed to do, there is zero corroboration for any of this madness. It's not a vaccine; It's a shot...
We've gotten to this place where we don't want to research and question our theories or beliefs. We just try to destroy any countering view. If something is right, it will bear scrutiny and withstand argument. That is a good thing and something we should all seek out in all our views and beliefs.
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Back to my point if the vaccine is so effective why do people like you have a meltdown if somebody else isn’t vaccinated. Technically this isn’t a vaccine anyway. I don’t sit in front of the Tv everyday scared
I reject your premise that this shot is the same as recommended vaccines. Surely someone of your education can see that right?
I’m very relaxed and willing to debate substance. You want to keep moving goalpost and changing the target. You’re a 10 year veteran surgeon, I’m just a simple AV sales guy and you can’t even stay in the ring with me.
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I genuinely care about people getting better. I care about them feeding their bodies the right way to be able to fight as god intended.
Helping people is the right thing to do. Being unwilling to debate the facts doesn’t help anyone.
I’m thankful for corona in a weird way because I got serious about my health and those around me. Our immune systems are all primed right now and that’s a gift from God to understand how it works and fuel it correctly. I only want to help other do the same.
Pathology studies are showing these shots actually hurting the immune system. It’s why there’s a much higher rate of people getting Covid a second time after receiving the shots compared to those who got the virus and recovered naturally.
I'm much better now. Just tired often. Lungs I think are fine. Thx.
I am not having a meltdown. Just said I have zero sympathy for you if you get it and it’s serious
I don’t either. I haven’t changed my life one bit because of it
This is hilarious. You still didn’t answer my question about hpv. I’m hoping y’all will at least give your children that vaccine, especially since your wife is an ENT.
I haven’t moved any goalposts at all. I’m a physician. I want people to be healthy. Helping people is the primary reason I did 4 years of medical school and 6 years of surgical training. I sacrificed a lot to be where I am today. I don’t make any money at all off of covid vaccines. In fact, I make money off of trach’ing people (moving the breathing tube from the mouth to the neck) with severe respiratory failure secondary to Covid.
I don’t believe the vaccine is perfect. I don’t think we should stop researching treatments. I don’t think we should shut the country down, or keep kids from playing sports or going to school. But the data that I have seen, from the hospitals that I cover, demonstrates a clear difference in icu admission and death for unvaccinated patients. Are most of these patients also obese or smokers or otherwise chronically ill? Yes. But so is half the damn population.
And now I’m back to my original statement: I’m really tired of arguing with people about it. People are going to do what they want to do. I’m not going to try and force them to do otherwise. Guess I’ll step out of “the ring” with you.
I honestly wish you and your family the best.
One of main gripes is the huge push for everyone to get the “vaccine” and the blackballing of the people who don’t get it. If the vaccine is so effective why is everyone so scared of the unvaccinated. If you want to get it get it if you don’t then it’s your choice. The vaccine has not stopped anything.
I’m not anti-vaxx, but it is interesting reading posts like this and then applying it to other factors impacting health and covid.
Every single bit of data proves that maintaining a healthy weight, eating healthy, getting enough quality sleep, taking your vitamins, getting plenty of exercise, sunshine and fresh air, etc all are extremely successful in improving your overall health and lowering the likelihood of severe illness or hospitalization from covid.
How can anyone live in todays world and not know this?
It is absolutely fascinating to me to watch people lose their minds about the vaccine, while being a fatass and eating fast food.
The lack of self-awareness and level stupidity required to be simultaneously overweight, yet critical of someone else’s healthcare decisions is amazing. But here we are with 2/3s of Americans overweight or obese. And these fatties are screaming at others about how to stay out of the hospital.
Fascinating.
What’s your opinion on the booster? Do you think overall younger healthy people should get it?
I will get booster, and I am healthy. It’s a type of virus that mutates rapidly (obviously). For me and the data that I’ve seen, I think the potential benefits outweigh the risks. I will also say that this most recent variant appears to cause significantly less severe disease. I’m seeing more asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic + patients than previously (with fewer overall in icus)
It’s stopped hospitalizations and death, man. Pretty important if you ask me. Again, I’m not pushing anything on anyone and your lack of reading comprehension is showing. All I’ve said is I have no sympathy for you
I think it’s on the contrary. At a macro level, the ones not taking the vaccine are poorer and less educated. Also the demographic that tends to be more overweight
Thank you for the well wishes. I send the same back to you. I hope you and your family nothing but the best and that means I truly hope I’m wrong.
My family and I aren’t anti vax and have all received vaccines that have been proven to be low risk of side effects and have actual positive efficacy in prevention of disease. For example, we don’t take flu shots as they have very little to any effect on getting the flu. We choose not to introduce to our bodies foreign substances that haven’t proven helpful, especially when there’s overwhelming data on bad side effects.
I love TI. A debate on a vaccine between an MD and an A/V sales guy can only be found here.
my problem with the booster is I wonder when it will ever stop. It gets to be a trust issue with people like myself who really is in the middle with covid. When I see somewhere like Israel approving a fourth shot, I know it’s not that far away from America. I won’t keep injecting myself over and over.
Not necessarily. This is incorrect information.
1. Let’s talk about the number of other mRNA vaccines (or “vaccines”) have been widely distributed in the history of mankind. Can you list some?
2. Of course, mainstream “science” has largely suppressed long-term research on vaccine side-effects because big pharma wants to keep selling their cash cows. But some brave scientists have conducted studies nonetheless,
and one found, for example, the early vaccination lead to diabetes in later years. But you won’t hear about that on CNN.
Actually, the “point” of the vaccine was to stop the spread of Chinese virus. It just didn’t and doesn’t work they way it’s supposed to work.
the fatigue stayed with me a good while , as well as the brain fog. I had covid a year ago before the vaccines came out.
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I didnt mention the fog. But it is real. Not terrible but subtle.
With 2/3s of the country overweight, there are plenty of fats dishing out healthcare advice and vaxx shaming. Meanwhile they are a massive burden (pun intended) on our healthcare system. Just amazing irony.
I think you’re correct to point out that, for some reason, people have started calling flu vaccines “flu shots,” and they want to make some sort of distinction between vaccines like flu vaccines that don’t eradicate the virus they’re targeted at and other vaccines that are more effective. But COVID vaccines are much more effective than the average flu vaccine, and yes they do prevent infection (imperfectly). It’s a little disappointing that they aren’t as effective at stopping the spread as hoped, but they do make it less likely that someone will get COVID and less likely that they’ll spread COVID if they get it.
The COVID vaccine is actually more similar to the polio shot than it is to the flu shot in terms of effectiveness. But COVID is a a respiratory virus (like the flu), it’s much more contagious than polio, and it’s more more widespread than polio was when the polio vaccine was introduced. We’re requiring vaccination for COVID now because we’re in the midst of a pandemic. We’re not in the midst of a an extremely contagious, deadly (because so contagious) flu pandemic. But I’d imagine they’d have required vaccination for the Spanish flu if they had a vaccination when it was wreaking havoc.
Conversations between medical professionals and non med professionals are only found here on TI
This truly is a crazy place
It’s almost like we should overhaul the “healthcare” system…….
I was one like many raised on pop tarts and little Debbie’s. Thankfully I’ve lost almost 100 pounds and have begun to understand the best ways to fuel my body and my immune system.
I wonder if our system didn’t profit on (you call it a burden) people being stuck on meds on top of meds maybe we’d actually focus on being healthy.
We don’t have a healthcare system. We have a sick management system. It’s very similar to money. We have a credit driven system, which enslaves people just like the sick management system does.
That was according to the data they had at the time, and frankly it’s what was hoped for and expected. It’s not too far from the truth for the earlier strains of the virus, especially in the first 6 months after vaccination and after a booster.
You’re definitely right that it was disappointing that the vaccines didn’t work as well at preventing infection, though. But it’s also hard to fault CDC and NIAID for believing the data they had when it was important that as many people get vaccinated as possible, and when the they did have data backing up the idea that you either couldn’t or were unlikely to infect others if vaccinated. Whether following the data as it changed created more skeptics or not, I don’t know- it certainly seems like a lot of people will take any excuse to be skeptical they can come up with.
I am choosing not to vax my 5 and 6 year olds.
Have known tons of kids to test positive and they have basically no symptoms. So I don’t see the point to risk the vax for my children at this point.
You’re twisting yourself into knots trying to come up with ulterior motives and political narratives on this stuff. It’s also very hard to take anyone seriously who repeats the “this isn’t a vaccine” thing. Things make much more sense if you take them at face value: which is that we had a novel virus that was very contagious, and public health authorities have had to do a lot of thinking and policy making on the fly. Most of also don’t really have the competence to “do our own research” on infectious diseases. All we can do is know who really has expertise, and whose agenda serves the public rather than creating a brand on social media.
We get yearly flu shots. I’m not sure what the problem is with boosters unless they’re required indefinitely.
If you believe #2, it doesn’t matter what anybody would tell you.
The kind of “heath care” system you’re talking about would be much more invasive than what we currently have. It’s what countries with national health care systems try to do, and they end up saving money not just by avoiding “sick care,” but also by denying it.
You’re right, someone on a message board isn’t going to change my personal health choice. Hit that nail squarely on the head. Nice rebuttal.
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