Got the omicron

[The89Tiger]

For Omicron, by far more vaxxed people are catching it. And it is worse with a booster. Now for some reason this is happening (Antigenic Imprinting or ADE for example). The vaxx was designed for the Wuhan variant and now we have Alpha, Beta, and Delta - and now a completely new virus which is radically different.

This is why both Pfizer and Moderna says that the vaccine does not work against Omicron.

Now imagine that Omicron turned out to be severe disease with the vaxxed preferentially catching it. What would the world be like today with massive issues for the vaxxed population?

We could still have a future variant that could become severe disease. So we need to have much more focus on therapeutics as treatments. When are the Medical Bureaucrats going to realize that trying to defeat these virus requires much more than the singular sledgehammer of a vaccine created for the Wuhan variant.

I believe the data actually says that out of people who have Covid, vaccinated people are more likely to have the omicron variant than unvaccinated people who are also positive.

That means that unvaccinated people with Covid are more likely to have a more serious variant. It may mean the vaccines are less effective against omicron, but if you are going to get it at least you get a less impactful version.

 

[poates6]

The kind of “heath care” system you’re talking about would be much more invasive than what we currently have. It’s what countries with national health care systems try to do, and they end up saving money not just by avoiding “sick care,” but also by denying it.

Nope. There’s a better way to do it. I’m sorry you don’t agree. It’s possible. I know. I’ve seen it. There’s a practice local to us that my wife is about to join. They focus on getting the body as healthy as you can through diet, supplements, sleep etc..

They absolutely prescribe when necessary. They refer patients to specialist when they need it.

This practice has over 3000 patients and not one went to the hospital for Covid the past two years.

 

[hughscott]

I don't know what variant I had and, according to my friend who is the head nurse at the VA hospital, no one else does either...takes them 3+ months to get variant results after sending off data.

Day 1-3 was 102 degree temps, body aches, chills, headache and searing pain in my chest as I coughed up the nastiest stuff I've ever seen in my life. Lethargy. Vitamins C, D, Zinc, Mucinex, Tylenol Advil.

Days 4-9 - fever was gone. Thought my head was going to explode. Serious pressure in nose/sinuses. Lethargy. Searing pain in chest was gone by day 6. Productive cough continued. Vitamins C, D, Mucinex, Tylenol Advil

Got smart and called Doc on Day 9 and was prescribed steroid Medrol. Within 12 minutes of first dose the pressure in my head lessened and I could breathe through my nose. Lethargy.

Days 10-14 - could take a nap anytime, anywhere. productive cough.

Days 15-16 - continue to cough up stuff. a lot of stuff. Can take a nap anytime, anywhere.

I rarely get sick so I don't have much to compare this to...but it was awful. The worst part was that every day was the same (especially days 4-9) with zero improvement. somehwere around days 3-5 was intermittent Diarrhea.

Good luck. Get the steroid if nasty cough/lower respiratory.

49 years of age. 75" 180 lbs. No underlying issues.

Almost forgot...phizered 3x

Sounds like delta

 

[Samtiger]

Why should I get the vaccine. It doesn’t stop you from catching it or spreading it. If it’s so great, if you are vaccinated why worry about other peoples status.

Close friend ICU nurse. Unit is full. Not one vaccinated person. Have not had a death with vaccination. That’s reason enough for me, but wishing you the best.

 

[hughscott]

Why should I get the vaccine. It doesn’t stop you from catching it or spreading it. If it’s so great, if you are vaccinated why worry about other peoples stat

Because it keeps you from possibly dying. I will say now with Omicron I would be a little more hesitant to get it because The disease has mutated twice since the development of the original vaccine.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

You’re right, someone on a message board isn’t going to change my personal health choice. Hit that nail squarely on the head. Nice rebuttal.

So, just to be clear, you think early vaccination leads to diabetes?

 

[treetiger]

I had it too earlier this week. A little bit of a runny nose and stuffiness, no temperature. I have had colds worse that that.

 

[Woody1405]

I swear to God, if I got cover, I would be embarrassed to admit that I was unvaccinated and unbolted. Darwin is proving his theory that some people are too stupid to live.

 

[SDTiger9]

Because it greatly reduces either scenario.

I swear, our education system has failed for far too long and it’s costing us dearly right now.

If that person conclusion is as stated, there’s no helping them.

You either believe in science, math, probability or you don’t.

(I was talking to some jackass hot head about how I could believe the CDC and their data. I said, “I don’t, but I do believe in capturing data at a global level from Japan, Israel, Norway, Australia, UK, USA, Germany, etc.. The data controls in some of these countries are tighter and more restrictive than we would ever allow. When you massage it all, it’s not even an argument. Americans need to think beyond themselves and this country to draw proper conclusions.)

Most “restrictive” American personalities don’t want nor are willing to get it. Because it challenges and tosses out their conspiracy nonsense.

 

[clemben]

I work in sales. My wife is a ENT. I get to listen to world renown doctors while driving between appointments all day. I love it. I crave the info they share and the links they provide to verify their data. It’s fascinating to me how utterly wrong so many are concerning this virus.

I’ve enjoyed my wife and i’s discussions over the diner table about what I learned that day and she sets me straight or further excited me with agreeing and encouraging. It’s been a fun last 6 months helping people discover there are treatments that are safe, they don’t need the shots, they don’t have to fear etc…

We have been able to help people get off ventilators and walk out of hospitals. One person had even received two shots of Pfizer and been on a vent for 20 days. The wife finally got treatment to her husband and he improved drastically right away and by day ten walked out of the hospital. This is real life. Treatments work. The shots may work for a very short season but they also are a huge risk with the death count from them rising by the hundreds.

I mean--you and your 'doctor' friends can have whatever bologna discussions you want--cool, cool. You can even talk about getting people different treatments (bc monoclonal and steriods so work if given early enough) but you lose ALL credibility when you say the death count from the vaccination is rising by the hundreds.

And if you say VAERS proves it then we all know you are full of crap.

 

[Samtiger]

The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from spreading China virus. Try again.

What’s a good reason for a person in a low risk age group with no autoimmune issues to get a vaccine with serious side effects in the short term and not nearly enough research to know the long term impacts?

Examples of serious side effects??

 

[poates6]

I mean--you and your 'doctor' friends can have whatever bologna discussions you want--cool, cool. You can even talk about getting people different treatments (bc monoclonal and steriods so work if given early enough) but you lose ALL credibility when you say the death count from the vaccination is rising by the hundreds.

And if you say VAERS proves it then we all know you are full of crap.

Everyone knows Vaers isn’t accurate. If you want to use it for some ideas go ahead but I’d rather look at excess mortality. Particularly amongst the stiiborn or miscarriages.
We blew 2020’s death rate out of the water in 2021 and that’s after the orevious year killed a bunch of the elderly and vulnerable with a pandemic.

You have to actually look at the numbers and data. Not to confirm a bias, but to look at what they actually are and then try and determine why the death tolls are higher? What did people die from? Are those symptoms possibly related to the shots. That’s when you realize the death toll is in fact rising by the hundreds.

 

[Willence]

You’re twisting yourself into knots trying to come up with ulterior motives and political narratives on this stuff. It’s also very hard to take anyone seriously who repeats the “this isn’t a vaccine” thing. Things make much more sense if you take them at face value: which is that we had a novel virus that was very contagious, and public health authorities have had to do a lot of thinking and policy making on the fly. Most of also don’t really have the competence to “do our own research” on infectious diseases. All we can do is know who really has expertise, and whose agenda serves the public rather than creating a brand on social media.

My friend, it isn't a vaccine. It's a shot to help alleviate the more serious symptoms of Covid and for the most part, it works. But it doesn't stop you from getting Covid and it isn't a cure all. I was vaccinated for measles. Guess what? I didn't still get the measles. There's no ulterior motive. There's a huge amount of money involved. It's right out front. It's not under the surface. No idea how you could miss that in all this.

 

[clemben]

Remember three years ago when you use to get sick? You really didn't know why you were sick because you didn't know the name of the virus. You just called it "the flu." Well guess what? We're back to that folks. Hate to break it to you, but every time you get the sniffles now its not a big deal. Man up. Drive through it. You are not typhoid Mary and need to go into lock down. We're back to normal living as human being. Virus have been around a million years. One of their purposes, is to control the population of man. Deal with it.

The flu would generally kill 40-60k a year in a bad strain. COVID has now killed 836k.

Yeah dead people and families of dead people--deal with it.

As someone who lost a really, really good friend to Covid (and yes, it was covid--not the flu, not something made up by a hospital or miscounted or whatever other nonsense some dream up). Wouldn't have died if not for covid. So--I know you don't mean it and probably don't care what others like me think but I certainly find it super offensive to the memories of those of us who lost loved ones. Again, free country--you do you, I'm not saying you should change at all but this kind of rhetoric sure does sting.

 

[poates6]

The flu would generally kill 40-60k a year in a bad strain. COVID has now killed 836k.

Yeah dead people and families of dead people--deal with it.

As someone who lost a really, really good friend to Covid (and yes, it was covid--not the flu, not something made up by a hospital or miscounted or whatever other nonsense some dream up). Wouldn't have died if not for covid. So--I know you don't mean it and probably don't care what others like me think but I certainly find it super offensive to the memories of those of us who lost loved ones. Again, free country--you do you, I'm not saying you should change at all but this kind of rhetoric sure does sting.

I wish your friend wasn’t dead. I wish their Covid experience was the same as mine. Sorry for your loss.

 

[clemben]

Everyone knows Vaers isn’t accurate. If you want to use it for some ideas go ahead but I’d rather look at excess mortality. Particularly amongst the stiiborn or miscarriages.
We blew 2020’s death rate out of the water in 2021 and that’s after the orevious year killed a bunch of the elderly and vulnerable with a pandemic.

You have to actually look at the numbers and data. Not to confirm a bias, but to look at what they actually are and then try and determine why the death tolls are higher? What did people die from? Are those symptoms possibly related to the shots. That’s when you realize the death toll is in fact rising by the hundreds.

I'm honestly glad you aren't looking at VAERS.

So--let me try to understand--you are saying there is a causal link to miscarriages and stillborn deaths from the vaccine?_

There are published peer reviewed studies that disprove this (maybe they can be disputed though...): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784193

Covid-19 Vaccination during Pregnancy and First-Trimester Miscarriage | NEJM

Correspondence from The New England Journal of Medicine — Covid-19 Vaccination during Pregnancy and First-Trimester Miscarriage

www.nejm.org

And this fact-check: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...iscarriages-since-vaccine-rollout/7062549002/

But I would actually like to know where you are getting your numbers and data from? I'm always open to new information and agree that we shouldn't confirm pre-existing bias.

 

[areeves]

Anyone that’s had it what were y’all’s symptoms and how long did they last. Thanks in advance. I have bad headache, lower back pain, chills, running a 100 temp and fatigue also stopped up

Yes, for about 3 weeks, including Christmas. I had all the symptoms you mentioned, including stomach problems. The only thing I ate for 3 weeks was jello, toast, Apple sauce with cinnamon & pop cicles. I just didn’t feel like eating anything else. I had a ton of congestion in my chest & head. For 3 weeks, 24/7 I was the congestion out of my chest & head. Excessive coughing causes headaches, so for that, I took 2 Tylenol. I placed a cool wash cloth on my head to help bring the fever down. There were times in the past couple of weeks when I felt there was no end in sight. I could see if one had a lot of congestion & they weren’t willing to discharge it 24/7, how ones lungs could fill up with fluid. Lastly, everything I did was like running a marathon. Walking up the stairs, taking a shower, everything wore me out.

Hope this helps, I’ll say a prayer for you!

 

[clemben]

I wish your friend wasn’t dead. I wish their Covid experience was the same as mine. Sorry for your loss.

Thank you! I appreciate it!

 

[poates6]

I'm honestly glad you aren't looking at VAERS.

So--let me try to understand--you are saying there is a causal link to miscarriages and stillborn deaths from the vaccine?_

There are published peer reviewed studies that disprove this (maybe they can be disputed though...): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784193

Covid-19 Vaccination during Pregnancy and First-Trimester Miscarriage | NEJM

Correspondence from The New England Journal of Medicine — Covid-19 Vaccination during Pregnancy and First-Trimester Miscarriage

www.nejm.org

And this fact-check: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...iscarriages-since-vaccine-rollout/7062549002/

But I would actually like to know where you are getting your numbers and data from? I'm always open to new information and agree that we shouldn't confirm pre-existing bias.

Your first link is a good one, I’ll read it more lately and look at those numbers. When I get back to my house I’ll send you some links as well.

Your second link is a journalist responding to a Facebook poster…. Not gonna spend any time on that! I have no forms of social media and really don’t like entertaining any of it!

 

[Cavitybacks]

The flu would generally kill 40-60k a year in a bad strain. COVID has now killed 836k.

Yeah dead people and families of dead people--deal with it.

As someone who lost a really, really good friend to Covid (and yes, it was covid--not the flu, not something made up by a hospital or miscounted or whatever other nonsense some dream up). Wouldn't have died if not for covid. So--I know you don't mean it and probably don't care what others like me think but I certainly find it super offensive to the memories of those of us who lost loved ones. Again, free country--you do you, I'm not saying you should change at all but this kind of rhetoric sure does sting.

I have no issues with vaccines. Got the Covid vaccine myself.

Every tiny baby of mine gets popped with like 3 vaccines when they come out of the womb for stuff.

But why would I add one more vaccine to my, thank God, healthy 3, 5, or 6 year old to help “mitigate” symptoms that are thankfully not even present in young children?

Why are we focused on this as a society? Why are we still testing asymptomatic people? What are we doing?

 

[HobcawCreekTiger]

Anyone that’s had it what were y’all’s symptoms and how long did they last. Thanks in advance. I have bad headache, lower back pain, chills, running a 100 temp and fatigue also stopped up

Chills and high fever for about 2 days. I've still got a cough which is typically the case for me when I get better after a cold or flu. Recommend lots of fluids, vitamin C /Zinc etc. Took Dayquill/Nyquill for about 2 days as well.

 

[lcctay]

I believe the data actually says that out of people who have Covid, vaccinated people are more likely to have the omicron variant than unvaccinated people who are also positive.

That means that unvaccinated people with Covid are more likely to have a more serious variant. It may mean the vaccines are less effective against omicron, but if you are going to get it at least you get a less impactful version.

For some reason people do not want to accept the data but this is documented all over Europe. But it seems that facts do not convince people anymore. UK government data ... (and you can see that is also true in the pre-Omicron wave)

 

[Trading Tiger]

It’s stopped hospitalizations and death, man. Pretty important if you ask me. Again, I’m not pushing anything on anyone and your lack of reading comprehension is showing. All I’ve said is I have no sympathy for you

If someone doesn't want the vaccine, and then they catch the Wuhan flu, having to go into the hospital, or even dying, why would you care? They knew what they were doing, and they made their choice. They didn't ask for your sympathy.

 

[BDAZED]

From a transmission standpoint, it is a fact that the vaxxed are transmitting more than the unvaxxed.

So this means that any positive benefits of the vaxx are strictly personal - not societal. A vaxxed person can just as easily infect you 90 year old grandma as an unvaxxed person.

I was being extremely sarcastic

 

[Trading Tiger]

Nonsense

You must be sexually frustrated, blue balls suck.

 

[dual_tiger]

This is hilarious. You still didn’t answer my question about hpv. I’m hoping y’all will at least give your children that vaccine, especially since your wife is an ENT.

I haven’t moved any goalposts at all. I’m a physician. I want people to be healthy. Helping people is the primary reason I did 4 years of medical school and 6 years of surgical training. I sacrificed a lot to be where I am today. I don’t make any money at all off of covid vaccines. In fact, I make money off of trach’ing people (moving the breathing tube from the mouth to the neck) with severe respiratory failure secondary to Covid.

I don’t believe the vaccine is perfect. I don’t think we should stop researching treatments. I don’t think we should shut the country down, or keep kids from playing sports or going to school. But the data that I have seen, from the hospitals that I cover, demonstrates a clear difference in icu admission and death for unvaccinated patients. Are most of these patients also obese or smokers or otherwise chronically ill? Yes. But so is half the damn population.

And now I’m back to my original statement: I’m really tired of arguing with people about it. People are going to do what they want to do. I’m not going to try and force them to do otherwise. Guess I’ll step out of “the ring” with you.

I honestly wish you and your family the best.

Curious why there is only two categories doc? Where is the previous infection category ? Surely someone with your education would recognize previous infection provides immunity right?

 

[Union County Tiger]

Vaccinated people have gotten sick throughout it. Some of it is age, comorbities (diabetes, weight, etc), and just general health. But the numbers are clear - vaccinated gives you a much better chance of not having a severe adverse reaction.

From Prisma in SC.

Since this is a football board let's try this comparison.

CLEMSON FOOTBALL QB PLAY COMPARISON TO THE VACCINE:
Comparing the vaccine to Clemson QBs over a full football season.

With VACCINE:
It's like going through a full football season with TL#16 or DW4 as your QB. You don't know which one you would get but it would be one or the other each and every week. They both were great all-time but had an off week every now and then. But still you would rather have them at QB than anyone else.

Without VACCINE:
You are randomly assigned every other QB who has ever played for Clemson. One week you could get Rodney Williams vs Penn State in the Citrus Bowl when he was absolutely lights out and we drubbed Joe Pa 35-10. You could get Steve Fuller when he was an All-American who ran the option to perfection and was a very good passer. You could get Homer Jordan beating Georgia. Or you could get a Louis Soloman passing attack, a Cullen Harper up and down season or a Will Proctor.

At worst, you end up with DJ vs Georgia performance. 🪦💀

i like this….Louis Solomon passing attack should be enough to get us all vaccinated

 

[Union County Tiger]

These numbers are very similar across the country. I’m not claiming the vaccine is 100% preventative of having the disease or transmission. But in my personal experience as well as all of the data released, vaccinated people are much less likely to have severe disease requiring mechanical ventilation. I’ve encouraged all of my friends and family to get it.
At this point, I’m honestly tired of arguing with people about it.
I am a conservative if that matters to anyone…

ditto to all this

 

[cjtiger300]

For Omicron, by far more vaxxed people are catching it. And it is worse with a booster. Now for some reason this is happening (Antigenic Imprinting or ADE for example). The vaxx was designed for the Wuhan variant and now we have Alpha, Beta, and Delta - and now a completely new virus which is radically different.

This is why both Pfizer and Moderna says that the vaccine does not work against Omicron.

Now imagine that Omicron turned out to be severe disease with the vaxxed preferentially catching it. What would the world be like today with massive issues for the vaxxed population?

We could still have a future variant that could become severe disease. So we need to have much more focus on therapeutics as treatments. When are the Medical Bureaucrats going to realize that trying to defeat these virus requires much more than the singular sledgehammer of a vaccine created for the Wuhan variant.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Omicron is actually from the B.1.1 lineage and is closer to Alpha than any other variant. It's strange as hell because this lineage was all but wiped out in mid to late 2020 by more transmissible variants. It likely jumped to another species, mutates and jumped back. Plenty of theories on it if you'd like to some medical journal reading. Here is a solid video from a researcher in South Africa. He's puts it in plain terms.

 

[Penn Tiger]

I'm unvaxed and will remain so. It gave my sister a stroke. Another family member has myocarditis. Another has ticks. high blood pressure and migraines. According to UK reports, 95% of patients in ICU with Covid are vaxed. I take zinc, D, C. I'm 66 and healthy. Also can get ivermectin if needed. I may have the anti bodies from last year not sure. Never been tested. I say no thank you to the Beastly Jab

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I'm honestly glad you aren't looking at VAERS.

So--let me try to understand--you are saying there is a causal link to miscarriages and stillborn deaths from the vaccine?_

There are published peer reviewed studies that disprove this (maybe they can be disputed though...): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784193

Covid-19 Vaccination during Pregnancy and First-Trimester Miscarriage | NEJM

Correspondence from The New England Journal of Medicine — Covid-19 Vaccination during Pregnancy and First-Trimester Miscarriage

www.nejm.org

And this fact-check: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...iscarriages-since-vaccine-rollout/7062549002/

But I would actually like to know where you are getting your numbers and data from? I'm always open to new information and agree that we shouldn't confirm pre-existing bias.

And, in fact, the way VAERS works is that they look for “signals” in the data that are different from what they’d expect in a normal population. Those signals are why the JJ vaccine was paused just after its EUA, and why we were looking at myocarditis in young people with the mRNA vaccines.

The irony here is that the vaccines have been investigated for the slightest signals in the VAERS data, while the anti-vaxx crowd insists that CDC is ignoring how “dangerous” these vaccines are. Meanwhile, others complain that CDC is being too cautious when pausing vaccines for such rare adverse events, especially when it isn’t clear that they have anything to do with the vaccines.

Ultimately, this stuff has been pointed out to these people before, and they’ve ignored it because they don’t care about official data and data interpretation. It’s more important to them that they be superior to the “corrupt establishment.”

 

[footwedge33]

Headache, body aches, mild fever, and sore throat. Lasted 3 days. Not all that bad honestly. I’ve had worse in the past.

Anyone that’s had it what were y’all’s symptoms and how long did they last. Thanks in advance. I have bad headache, lower back pain, chills, running a 100 temp and fatigue also stopped up

 

[purenonsense]

Conversations between medical professionals and non med professionals are only found here on TI

This truly is a crazy place

either here or fox news

 

[poates6]

either here or fox news

Or an Aaron Rodgers press conference!

 

[purenonsense]

Close friend ICU nurse. Unit is full. Not one vaccinated person. Have not had a death with vaccination. That’s reason enough for me, but wishing you the best.

This is the bottom line. The unvaccinated never want to acknowledge this.

 

[poates6]

This is the bottom line. The unvaccinated never want to acknowledge this.

I’m not saying he is lying or his nurse friend, maybe they live in a remote county where nobody is vaccinated, but even here in SC you go to Greenville, Charleston, Columbia, you will find a person with the shots in the icu. I know of one in Lexington medical right now. I know of one in Charlotte right now, I can remember the hospital name. So I find it hard to believe there isnt ever a shot person in the icu with Rona.

 

[purenonsense]

I’m not saying he is lying or his nurse friend, maybe they live in a remote county where nobody is vaccinated, but even here in SC you go to Greenville, Charleston, Columbia, you will find a person with the shots in the icu. I know of one in Lexington medical right now. I know of one in Charlotte right now, I can remember the hospital name. So I find it hard to believe there isnt ever a shot person in the icu with Rona.

There are vaccinated in ICU with Rona. Usually runs about ten percent vaccinated, 90 percent unvaxxed. Should be all we need to know, but not so with the antivax crowd.

 

[GamecockTears]

Just getting over Omicron. No fever, not much congestion. Soreness and fatigue were my main complaints.

Exact opposite for me on which symptoms, same of severity. Stuffy nose and had a mild headache the first day. Everything this time around has been MUCH milder.

 

[poates6]

There are vaccinated in ICU with Rona. Usually runs about ten percent vaccinated, 90 percent unvaxxed. Should be all we need to know, but not so with the antivax crowd.

Im not anti vax, I am anti Covid shots though. Your numbers aren’t correct.

 

[Jjh7]

never knew i had it...had antibody test done and found out at some point i did. no vax. not here to argue for or against, couldn't care less what anyone does. just a data point, would love to know how common that is but not realistic beyond estimates i suppose.