He's all class all the time.

[TigerGrowls]

oh boy. dont let @TigerGrowls hear you say that.

I do not have a problem with his opinion. I fully see why a lot of people see Trump as a jerk. I am just interested in results that he achieved serving as potus and he was real good at that. Best potus in my lifetime (my opinion) and kept his promises. Worked for America. I dont care about the mean tweets when he is performing.

 

[nytigerfan]

We are all are entitled to an opinion. No tip toeing here. The left does hate America. Yes, that's my opinion. The left is trying to take away that too.

Excellent. Do me a favor. Define what you thin america is and then explain to me exactly why you think “the left” hates that.

 

[nytigerfan]

I do not have a problem with his opinion. I fully see why a lot of people see Trump as a jerk. I am just interested in results that he achieved serving as potus and he was real good at that. Best potus in my lifetime (my opinion) and kept his promises. Worked for America. I dont care about the mean tweets when he is performing.

Please provide a list of promises that he kept.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Please provide a list of promises that he kept.

You provide a list of promises he didnt keep and I might critique your list if I feel like it.

 

[CUT93]

If a man can say that and still be elected president, I can't think of a poorer reflection of this nation's soul.

We can't all be moral beacons like Clinton, who used his position as the most powerful man in the world to influence a young intern less than half his age and barely old enough to have a glass of wine, give him a blow job in the oval office while his wife was right down the hall. Granted, even at just 22 yrs old, Monica was probably considerably older than the girls he used with Epstein on the island. Hypocrisy much?

For the record, I think Trump is a huge scumbag. That doesn't mean I would not vote for him. I have multiple friends I would not vote for if they were on the ballot because I disagree with their politics, even though they are good people. If you vote for someone based on whether you like them rather than if you think they will make the best decisions for the country, then you are just not very bright. Ideally, I would prefer a candidate with both like and agree with their policies. If I have to chose, though, my vote goes to who I align with more on policy.

I spent most of Trump's term thankful he won while simultaneously wanting to punch him in the face. I wish I was doing that now and we wouldn't have man who is not mentally capable of answering questions from the press making decisions that influence the (somewhat) free world. Which is worse for a president, being mean or having so little mental capacity that you can't answer questions from a group of people made up of mostly people who voted for you? When your staff literally has to pull the plug and cut the power off in the middle of a sentence to silence the potus, we have some serious, serious problems. I don't mean that as a joke. That should scare the crap out of every American.

 

[jakefest]

Not really the same as blasting a dude the day after he died, but whatever makes you feel good about it.

The point wasn't to suggest who's comments were worse, the point was that Joe has made some pretty unlikable comments at various points in his career but isn't being held to the same standard. It's not Whataboutism, it's whynotism......why does he get a pass?

The 7/11 comment is cringe worthy but how often do you see that circle around the press? Dave Chappelle (who is a comedian) is getting canceled for making a joke about trans people but we have a sitting president that has made multiple racist comments with zero repercussions. Trump isn't even in office anymore yet he gets more coverage on CNN than inflation or supply chain risks.

The reality and likely one most on the left won't agree with is our best and brightest no longer want to be President and who could blame them? We are left with ego-maniacs and washed up career politicians as our best options.

I will be incredibly disappointed if Trump runs in 2024 and even more disappointed if he's elected. It's clear he's not what the country wants but it's also clear that the country doesn't want Joe's policies either. Need to get back to the middle in a hurry.

 

[TigerGrowls]

The point wasn't to suggest who's comments were worse, the point was that Joe has made some pretty unlikable comments at various points in his career but isn't being held to the same standard. It's not Whataboutism, it's whynotism......why does he get a pass?

The 7/11 comment is cringe worthy but how often do you see that circle around the press? Dave Chappelle (who is a comedian) is getting canceled for making a joke about trans people but we have a sitting president that has made multiple racist comments with zero repercussions. Trump isn't even in office anymore yet he gets more coverage on CNN than inflation or supply chain risks.

The reality and likely one most on the left won't agree with is our best and brightest no longer want to be President and who could blame them? We are left with ego-maniacs and washed up career politicians as our best options.

I will be incredibly disappointed if Trump runs in 2024 and even more disappointed if he's elected. It's clear he's not what the country wants but it's also clear that the country doesn't want Joe's policies either. Need to get back to the middle in a hurry.

But if Trump runs and wins then he is what the country will have selected. I am not hellbent on Trump or nothing. I could get behind a Desantis or some other candidate that might show up, but Trump is going to probably be the king or the kingmaker.

Related to meeting in the middle, that is becoming more of an illusory fantasy in the current climate. There is no middle with the current divide between conservatives and the far left that are running the dem party because they have an agenda and any proposed legislation is full of poison pills. Just look at the travesty that is the infrastructure bill.

 

[WapPride]

The point wasn't to suggest who's comments were worse, the point was that Joe has made some pretty unlikable comments at various points in his career but isn't being held to the same standard. It's not Whataboutism, it's whynotism......why does he get a pass?

The 7/11 comment is cringe worthy but how often do you see that circle around the press? Dave Chappelle (who is a comedian) is getting canceled for making a joke about trans people but we have a sitting president that has made multiple racist comments with zero repercussions. Trump isn't even in office anymore yet he gets more coverage on CNN than inflation or supply chain risks.

The reality and likely one most on the left won't agree with is our best and brightest no longer want to be President and who could blame them? We are left with ego-maniacs and washed up career politicians as our best options.

I will be incredibly disappointed if Trump runs in 2024 and even more disappointed if he's elected. It's clear he's not what the country wants but it's also clear that the country doesn't want Joe's policies either. Need to get back to the middle in a hurry.

dave chappelle is not getting "cancelled" in the slightest. people on the right are constantly saying "so and so is getting cancelled" when it should actually be "so and so is dealing with the market consequences of their actions."

hell even your boys at fox news are saying the same: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-not-canceled-sold-out-show-london

 

[firegiver]

Just a thing here ...

Trumpers do NOT represent our base anymore than the Antifa America hating Marxist leftist represents yours. They are just different sides of the same dumbass politically illiterate coin

Of course politicians eat these "people" up, because they are great for business/campaign finance.

Uhhhhh https://news.yahoo.com/poll-found-78-republicans-want-211101845.html

 

[PAWrocka]

Uhhhhh https://news.yahoo.com/poll-found-78-republicans-want-211101845.html

Consider me in that 22%

 

[jakefest]

dave chappelle is not getting "cancelled" in the slightest. people on the right are constantly saying "so and so is getting cancelled" when it should actually be "so and so is dealing with the market consequences of their actions."

hell even your boys at fox news are saying the same: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-not-canceled-sold-out-show-london

Did a bunch of employees at Netflix walk out or not?

 

[clemsontiger02]

Did a bunch of employees at Netflix walk out or not?

Sorry, but that's your definition of "cancelled"? A protest?

If you want to see someone who's been truly cancelled, look at Kevin Spacey. When overwhelming public sentiment is such that you've become a pariah who can no longer work, then you've been cancelled.

Chappelle is arguably riding a wave of free publicity, and continues to sell out shows. I just don't see how that in any way equals "cancelled".

Was Monty Python being "cancelled" when people protested "Life of Brian"?

How 'Monty Python's Life of Brian' Weathered Protests

'Monty Python's Life of Brian' arrived in theaters in August 1979 to protests in the U.S. and the United Kingdom, but endured to be a cult classic.

ultimateclassicrock.com

 

[jakefest]

Sorry, but that's your definition of "cancelled"? A protest?

If you want to see someone who's been truly cancelled, look at Kevin Spacey. When overwhelming public sentiment is such that you've become a pariah who can no longer work, then you've been cancelled.

Chappelle is arguably riding a wave of free publicity, and continues to sell out shows. I just don't see how that in any way equals "cancelled".

Was Monty Python being "cancelled" when people protested "Life of Brian"?

How 'Monty Python's Life of Brian' Weathered Protests

'Monty Python's Life of Brian' arrived in theaters in August 1979 to protests in the U.S. and the United Kingdom, but endured to be a cult classic.

ultimateclassicrock.com

Did a group of people get angry over a joke and threaten to quit their jobs or not? Did the CEO of Netflix cave to the pressure and apologize for being insensitive or not? It's not about whether or not they were successful in cancelling Dave, it's about the fact that they cost their company money in PR damage when they made a huge stink and protested. Maybe Dave did benefit from it but I'm betting he would rather not have to deal with it.

You can go away and define "cancel" however you want and downplay the movement in America to literally get offended over virtually everything but the reality is that people are realizing they can get corporations to cave if they complain loudly enough and suggest they were offended, bullied, triggered, etc.

That's not a Fox news hot take, we see it in our company and I certainly saw it in my last one (multi billion dollar public company)

 

[clemsontiger02]

Did a group of people get angry over a joke and threaten to quit their jobs or not? Did the CEO of Netflix cave to the pressure and apologize for being insensitive or not? It's not about whether or not they were successful in cancelling Dave, it's about the fact that they cost their company money in PR damage when they made a huge stink and protested. Maybe Dave did benefit from it but I'm betting he would rather not have to deal with it.

You can go away and define "cancel" however you want and downplay the movement in America to literally get offended over virtually everything but the reality is that people are realizing they can get corporations to cave if they complain loudly enough and suggest they were offended, bullied, triggered, etc.

That's not a Fox news hot take, we see it in our company and I certainly saw it in my last one (multi billion dollar public company)

So you are 100% against people "realizing they can get corporations to cave if they complain loudly enough and suggest they were offended, bullied, triggered, etc."

Ok.

Can you please link the post when you shared your displeasure of this same behavior from Trump? You can always take the opportunity to do so now.

("Friendly-reminderism", right?)

Trump decries 'cancel culture,' but does he participate in it? He's called for boycotts and punishment for critics

A non-exhaustive list of people and things President Donald Trump has tried to "cancel," as he now decries "cancel culture."

www.usatoday.com

 

[nytigerfan]

Did a group of people get angry over a joke and threaten to quit their jobs or not? Did the CEO of Netflix cave to the pressure and apologize for being insensitive or not? It's not about whether or not they were successful in cancelling Dave, it's about the fact that they cost their company money in PR damage when they made a huge stink and protested. Maybe Dave did benefit from it but I'm betting he would rather not have to deal with it.

You can go away and define "cancel" however you want and downplay the movement in America to literally get offended over virtually everything but the reality is that people are realizing they can get corporations to cave if they complain loudly enough and suggest they were offended, bullied, triggered, etc.

That's not a Fox news hot take, we see it in our company and I certainly saw it in my last one (multi billion dollar public company)

1. I watched Chapelle's special and it was great. Funny and thought provoking. It was exactly what he planned for it to be. In usual cancel culture cases these days, people are "cancelled" for stuff they said in the past. In this case this was 100% calculated, he is causing controversy to make his point. I dont feel sorry for him at all, this is what he wanted.

2. The irony of conservative christians decrying cancel culture is rich. It was basically invented by yall. Ask George Carlin (he's dead now) about being cancelled by conservative christians. And the maga crew? They cry about woke cancel culture while trying to actively cancel anyone who disagrees with their lord and savior trump (see Romney and Cheney and any other republican who refuses to promote the election lie). Remember then president trump asking the FTC chairman if he could take SNL offline for making fun of him?

3. the big difference now is twitter and social media. It has given a pubic voice to every moron out there. A few hundred offended people barking on twitter is misinterpreted as thousands of people are offended! I wish companies would be less likely to cave. I think most of us lie in the middle on these things and would not boycott a company for this crap.

 

[nytigerfan]

You provide a list of promises he didnt keep and I might critique your list if I feel like it.

That's what I thought, You can't.

 

[jakefest]

So you are 100% against people "realizing they can get corporations to cave if they complain loudly enough and suggest they were offended, bullied, triggered, etc."

Ok.

Can you please link the post when you shared your displeasure of this same behavior from Trump? You can always take the opportunity to do so now.

("Friendly-reminderism", right?)

Trump decries 'cancel culture,' but does he participate in it? He's called for boycotts and punishment for critics

A non-exhaustive list of people and things President Donald Trump has tried to "cancel," as he now decries "cancel culture."

www.usatoday.com

Yes, when it's not warranted. A comedian making a joke should mean that the people offended just not listen to the comedian anymore, not demand that the company stop carrying his show........that's insanity.

What does Trump have to do with a bunch of offended Transgenders walking out of Netflix? Is Trump Transgender?

 

[nytigerfan]

That's what I thought, You can't.

OK @TigerGrowls , Ill play... Here is a list of broken promises from your boy trump. It should be noted that many of these promises were from his first 100 day plan, in that he said they would be done in the first 100 days.

• Repeal Obamacare
• Get Congress to allow health insurance across state lines
• Eliminate the federal debt in 8 years (it went up, not down)
• Enact term limits
• Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it
• Reverse China's entry into the World Trade Organization
• End birthright citizenship
• Impose a hiring freeze on federal employees
• Enact 5-year ban on White House and congressional officials from lobbying
• Have mandatory minimum sentences for criminals caught trying to re-enter the United States illegally
• Invest $550 billion in infrastructure and create an infrastructure fund
• Bring back manufacturing
• Guarantee 6-week paid leave
• Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton
• Add additional federal investment of $20 billion toward School Choice
• Dramatically scale back the U.S. Education Department
• Eliminate Common Core
• Stop the AT&T Time Warner Merger
• Increase the size of the U.S. Army to 540,000 active duty soldiers
• Allow individuals to deduct health care insurance premiums from taxes
• Release his tax returns after an audit is completed

 

[jakefest]

1. I watched Chapelle's special and it was great. Funny and thought provoking. It was exactly what he planned for it to be. In usual cancel culture cases these days, people are "cancelled" for stuff they said in the past. In this case this was 100% calculated, he is causing controversy to make his point. I dont feel sorry for him at all, this is what he wanted.

2. The irony of conservative christians decrying cancel culture is rich. It was basically invented by yall. Ask George Carlin (he's dead now) about being cancelled by conservative christians. And the maga crew? They cry about woke cancel culture while trying to actively cancel anyone who disagrees with their lord and savior trump (see Romney and Cheney and any other republican who refuses to promote the election lie). Remember then president trump asking the FTC chairman if he could take SNL offline for making fun of him?

3. the big difference now is twitter and social media. It has given a pubic voice to every moron out there. A few hundred offended people barking on twitter is misinterpreted as thousands of people are offended! I wish companies would be less likely to cave. I think most of us lie in the middle on these things and would not boycott a company for this crap.

I was beginning to worry about you........hadn't seen a Trump message from you in a while and thought maybe Covid took you. Good to see you're alive and well and still letting Trump occupy that tiny brain space when he hasn't been president since January.

 

[jakefest]

1. I watched Chapelle's special and it was great. Funny and thought provoking. It was exactly what he planned for it to be. In usual cancel culture cases these days, people are "cancelled" for stuff they said in the past. In this case this was 100% calculated, he is causing controversy to make his point. I dont feel sorry for him at all, this is what he wanted.

2. The irony of conservative christians decrying cancel culture is rich. It was basically invented by yall. Ask George Carlin (he's dead now) about being cancelled by conservative christians. And the maga crew? They cry about woke cancel culture while trying to actively cancel anyone who disagrees with their lord and savior trump (see Romney and Cheney and any other republican who refuses to promote the election lie). Remember then president trump asking the FTC chairman if he could take SNL offline for making fun of him?

3. the big difference now is twitter and social media. It has given a pubic voice to every moron out there. A few hundred offended people barking on twitter is misinterpreted as thousands of people are offended! I wish companies would be less likely to cave. I think most of us lie in the middle on these things and would not boycott a company for this crap.

speaking of christians and cancel culture......seems like that model has now flipped to the left.

Thumb on scale? University bars display for Youngkin, but churches run ad for McAuliffe

Washington and Lee University misapplied IRS rules to prohibit College Republicans from promoting Virginia GOP gubernatorial candidate, charges campus free-speech watchdog FIRE.

justthenews.com

 

[WapPride]

Did a bunch of employees at Netflix walk out or not?

lol that's not what being cancelled is. they walked out in protest, but chappelle (who you claimed was cancelled) is still making millions and booking shows and Netflix hasn't pulled any of his specials.

 

[WapPride]

Did a group of people get angry over a joke and threaten to quit their jobs or not? Did the CEO of Netflix cave to the pressure and apologize for being insensitive or not? It's not about whether or not they were successful in cancelling Dave, it's about the fact that they cost their company money in PR damage when they made a huge stink and protested. Maybe Dave did benefit from it but I'm betting he would rather not have to deal with it.

You can go away and define "cancel" however you want and downplay the movement in America to literally get offended over virtually everything but the reality is that people are realizing they can get corporations to cave if they complain loudly enough and suggest they were offended, bullied, triggered, etc.

That's not a Fox news hot take, we see it in our company and I certainly saw it in my last one (multi billion dollar public company)

that's literally capitalism my dude. the market is dictating what is and isn't acceptable in the marketplace of ideas. don't get upset because the people are letting corporations know what they do or don't find acceptable. if enough people complain and get a corporation to modify what they're releasing, get mad at the company who's caving to external pressure instead of complaining about the people who are protesting. these companies are only doing what they deem necessary to make the most money - that's it.

 

[jakefest]

that's literally capitalism my dude. the market is dictating what is and isn't acceptable in the marketplace of ideas. don't get upset because the people are letting corporations know what they do or don't find acceptable. if enough people complain and get a corporation to modify what they're releasing, get mad at the company who's caving to external pressure instead of complaining about the people who are protesting. these companies are only doing what they deem necessary to make the most money - that's it.

You think that's capitalism? I bet your tax bracket is fully representative of your stance there.

 

[jakefest]

lol that's not what being cancelled is. they walked out in protest, but chappelle (who you claimed was cancelled) is still making millions and booking shows and Netflix hasn't pulled any of his specials.

"they walked out in protest" and yet that's not somehow an effort to cancel? Can only shake my head here......

 

[WapPride]

You think that's capitalism? I bet your tax bracket is fully representative of your stance there.

this is a case of the market deciding what is or isn't acceptable behavior by entertainment providers. if the company (read: Netflix) feels like they will lose profits by continuing to push forth products which marginalize certain individuals or groups of individuals then they will do what makes most economic sense for their company.

also lol at your second sentence

"they walked out in protest" and yet that's not somehow an effort to cancel? Can only shake my head here......

the problem is your ilk have started calling anything and everything cancel culture when it fits your mood. are union members who go on strike trying to "cancel" their employer? is allison williams boohooing on social media about having to get the vaccine and then taking a job at the daily wire not considered an act of "cancelling" as she's trying to drum up negative attention for ESPN?

 

[PAWrocka]

this is a case of the market deciding what is or isn't acceptable behavior by entertainment providers. if the company (read: Netflix) feels like they will lose profits by continuing to push forth products which marginalize certain individuals or groups of individuals then they will do what makes most economic sense for their company.

Netflix stock price is up +12% over the last month.

The market has decided ... temper tantrum can end now

 

[jakefest]

this is a case of the market deciding what is or isn't acceptable behavior by entertainment providers. if the company (read: Netflix) feels like they will lose profits by continuing to push forth products which marginalize certain individuals or groups of individuals then they will do what makes most economic sense for their company.

also lol at your second sentence


the problem is your ilk have started calling anything and everything cancel culture when it fits your mood. are union members who go on strike trying to "cancel" their employer? is allison williams boohooing on social media about having to get the vaccine and then taking a job at the daily wire not considered an act of "cancelling" as she's trying to drum up negative attention for ESPN?

I honestly stopped reading when I saw the word "ilk" .......

 

[TigerGrowls]

OK @TigerGrowls , Ill play... Here is a list of broken promises from your boy trump. It should be noted that many of these promises were from his first 100 day plan, in that he said they would be done in the first 100 days.

• Repeal Obamacare
• Get Congress to allow health insurance across state lines
• Eliminate the federal debt in 8 years (it went up, not down)
• Enact term limits
• Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it
• Reverse China's entry into the World Trade Organization
• End birthright citizenship
• Impose a hiring freeze on federal employees
• Enact 5-year ban on White House and congressional officials from lobbying
• Have mandatory minimum sentences for criminals caught trying to re-enter the United States illegally
• Invest $550 billion in infrastructure and create an infrastructure fund
• Bring back manufacturing
• Guarantee 6-week paid leave
• Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton
• Add additional federal investment of $20 billion toward School Choice
• Dramatically scale back the U.S. Education Department
• Eliminate Common Core
• Stop the AT&T Time Warner Merger
• Increase the size of the U.S. Army to 540,000 active duty soldiers
• Allow individuals to deduct health care insurance premiums from taxes
• Release his tax returns after an audit is completed

LMFAO with this list you concocted! Trump kept his promises that counted.

- Lowered taxes in a monumentally significant way that produced one of the best economic jumps in recent history.
- Built the wall and basically got as close to locking down the southern border as we have ever seen.
- Turned US from an afterthought to the number one energy producer in the world in short time.
- Got rid of Nafta and replaced it with USMCA.

In addition to promises, stuff that I liked that he did.

- Space Force
- Foreign policy
- Free trade zones in minority communities all over the US
- Cleaned up the VA

I could add many more, but would have to look it all up. Trump was a historically great potus and now with China Joe who is a joke everyone is looking back and appreciating what Trump did even more. Trump is not done yet!

- Foreign policy from nato to how he left

 

[nytigerfan]

LMFAO with this list you concocted! Trump kept his promises that counted.

- Lowered taxes in a monumentally significant way that produced one of the best economic jumps in recent history.
- Built the wall and basically got as close to locking down the southern border as we have ever seen.
- Turned US from an afterthought to the number one energy producer in the world in short time.
- Got rid of Nafta and replaced it with USMCA.

In addition to promises, stuff that I liked that he did.

- Space Force
- Foreign policy
- Free trade zones in minority communities all over the US
- Cleaned up the VA

I could add many more, but would have to look it all up. Trump was a historically great potus and now with China Joe who is a joke everyone is looking back and appreciating what Trump did even more. Trump is not done yet!

- Foreign policy from nato to how he left

So you agree that he failed to deliver the promises that I listed but now you claim that those promises didn't "count". LOL.

And the fact that you believe that he successfully built a wall on the southern border... yikes. Just shows the alternate reality that you live in.

 

[DW4_2016]

LMFAO with this list you concocted! Trump kept his promises that counted.

- Lowered taxes in a monumentally significant way that produced one of the best economic jumps in recent history.
- Built the wall and basically got as close to locking down the southern border as we have ever seen.
- Turned US from an afterthought to the number one energy producer in the world in short time.
- Got rid of Nafta and replaced it with USMCA.

In addition to promises, stuff that I liked that he did.

- Space Force
- Foreign policy
- Free trade zones in minority communities all over the US
- Cleaned up the VA

I could add many more, but would have to look it all up. Trump was a historically great potus and now with China Joe who is a joke everyone is looking back and appreciating what Trump did even more. Trump is not done yet!

- Foreign policy from nato to how he left

If the wall is complete how are they still getting in? I thought it was going to be three miles high so they couldn’t jump over it?

 

[TigerGrowls]

If the wall is complete how are they still getting in? I thought it was going to be three miles high so they couldn’t jump over it?

Ask your Daddy China Joe how its happening.