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I will be shocked if this season goes off as planned

I see by your response you are passionate about making sure everyone follows your protocol, but I am already vaccinated. I’m sure there were a few cases of influenza around, but we didn’t see the first one at my childrens’ schools when in past years they have shut down for a week due to widespread flu spread.

Not trying to be a jerk, but I would assume that masking,distancing,additional sanitation practices, checking temps etc probably lead to a big reduction in influenza.
 
As many have stated, the issue doesn’t lie within vaccinated vs not, that’s all politicized. The issue is the general health status of Americans. Smoking, alcohol, obesity, processed foods, etc.

People who are legitimately healthy and take care of their bodies and control what they put in them, don’t need a vaccine. Sadly, that’s a very small percentage but doesn’t mean those individuals should be ostracized for declining a vaccine.

vaccinated individuals are likely the biggest carriers at this point. Yeah there’s a large percentage of non-vaccinated patients currently. Who do you think gave it to them?
 
Why would an unvaccinated person be the reason for a virus to mutate to a variant that the vaccine didn’t work against? That’s like someone who has never taken antibiotics being the reason for bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics. That makes no sense.
Every time the virus replicates there's a tiny chance of mutation. The unvaxxed make up the significant majority of cases.
 
I’ve noticed something recently…

Unvaccinated people don’t typically have harsh words for the sick…usually thoughts & prayers…

But this gloating (almost as if it brings you joy) amongst the vaccinated that is happening when an unvaccinated person gets sick with Covid is a growing trend & it’s pretty disgusting…
Where have you been??? Since the beginning unvaccinated have been shitting on the “libs”, “weak minded”, “unAmerican” people that were in favor of listening to the CDC and wear masks. The condescension was disgusting even as the mostly avoidable death toll was climbing and hundreds of thousands of people died. There was a sense of pride, that one’s freedom was more important than other people’s lives, inconvenience was not acceptable and it was okay to contaminate loved ones and neighbors. The arguments were astounding, “people were old and going to die anyway”. This board was a shitshow of conspiracy theories and personal attacks.

Now the same people are refusing the free vaccine, getting sick, and clogging up the healthcare system. I take no enjoyment in that AT ALL. I feel truly sad for their loved ones who will be paying for the “choice” of their dying relatives. But please don’t tell me that calling out that choices have consequences is “gloating”. People with real balls own their choices and the related consequences. How many of the non-vaccinated are pledging to not go to the hospital if they get sick or to pay for the costs out of pocket since they chose to refuse the free option? None of them are. So for all the ‘’’Murica”, “freedom” chanting from the anti-medical establishment crowd, they sure like socialism when it’s convenient. Let other pay the price for your needs… if you don’t see how hypocritical that is, I don’t know what to tell you…
 
Shouldn’t hospitals respect the rights of non-vaccinated to not believe in the medical field and simply send them home? Isn’t it a violation of their rights to have people whose knowledge and recommendations they don’t believe in provide medical care to them?
I will not touch this one 🙂
 
I am immuno compromised. I tested positive for Covid on a Monday in March. I was very sick and on Friday of that week I got the monoclonal antibody treatment. On Saturday morning all my symptoms were gone. It took a few weeks to get back to normal strength but that treatment WORKED. At least for me.
I know a 60 year old fit woman who tested positive, eventually went to hospital and was treated similarly and felt better within hours. She told me if I get it, ask for the monoclonal antibody.
 
That’s good information to have. Wish they would also report:
- Smoker/nonsmoker
- have pre-existing conditions
- if overweight

I believe a lot of people on both sides of the aisle could see more eye to eye if this was released.
Do you also want that information for every other communicable disease?
 
Why would an unvaccinated person be the reason for a virus to mutate to a variant that the vaccine didn’t work against? That’s like someone who has never taken antibiotics being the reason for bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics. That makes no sense.
Replication creates mutations. In unvaccinated bodies it’s free to mutate/replicate.

In vaccinated bodies, even with Delta, that replication is cut very, very short in the vast majority of cases.
 
Where have you been??? Since the beginning unvaccinated have been shitting on the “libs”, “weak minded”, “unAmerican” people that were in favor of listening to the CDC and wear masks. The condescension was disgusting even as the mostly avoidable death toll was climbing and hundreds of thousands of people died. There was a sense of pride, that one’s freedom was more important than other people’s lives, inconvenience was not acceptable and it was okay to contaminate loved ones and neighbors. The arguments were astounding, “people were old and going to die anyway”. This board was a shitshow of conspiracy theories and personal attacks.

Now the same people are refusing the free vaccine, getting sick, and clogging up the healthcare system. I take no enjoyment in that AT ALL. I feel truly sad for their loved ones who will be paying for the “choice” of their dying relatives. But please don’t tell me that calling out that choices have consequences is “gloating”. People with real balls own their choices and the related consequences. How many of the non-vaccinated are pledging to not go to the hospital if they get sick or to pay for the costs out of pocket since they chose to refuse the free option? None of them are. So for all the ‘’’Murica”, “freedom” chanting from the anti-medical establishment crowd, they sure like socialism when it’s convenient. Let other pay the price for your needs… if you don’t see how hypocritical that is, I don’t know what to tell you…
A bunch of unpatriotic and selfish people who will only further perpetuate this situation we’re in with stubbornness. They don’t care about their fellow Americans (or anyone else) half as much as they claim to. If they did, they’d get the vaccine and take steps to mitigate the spread of the virus.
 
Its non-vaxxed. Hospitalizations of vaxxed patients is hovering around .004%. Positive cases of vaxxed individuals is a hair under 1% of the vaxxed population.

Get vaccinated and get the booster when it becomes available.
I find those numbers to be bogus. I have several patients of mine that have come down with Covid in the last 2 months. At least half had received the vaccine.
 
Relatively expensive and in short supply.
How could a treatment for Covid be short supply but we've got excess vaccine?

More difficult to produce?

Pretty infuriating because I've known a few people who got the antibody treatment and they felt better immediately.
 
@Da Swami is all-in on the Trump shot. Very strange.
Not at all my MAGA terrorists sympathizer friend after all Trump or Biden had nothing to do with the actually creation of the vaccine.

Actually I am more concerned for Clemson being vaccinated so they can win the ship this year. Everyone else who is Anti vaxx I can only hope they suffer the consequences and share it on social media like Radical catholic Raymond Burke 😈
 
A bunch of unpatriotic and selfish people who will only further perpetuate this situation we’re in with stubbornness. They don’t care about their fellow Americans (or anyone else) half as much as they claim to. If they did, they’d get the vaccine and take steps to mitigate the spread of the virus.
Even the Pope is having to address this issue in the U.S., calling getting vaccinated an “act of love”.

Message from the Pope

But, hey, what does the Pope really know about religion and compassion, right?

I get not everyone is Catholic, but you would think the Bible Belt would lead the country in acts of love and compassion based on religious beliefs and morals, shouldn’t it?
 
C19 is real, dangerous and not going anywhere. But only deadly for a very small percentage of people, sad as that is.
If only we could all just agree on these facts and individually decide how to handle it.

Some people need a little perspective on sickness and death.

Maybe ride along with a EMS or Fire crew and see just how many sick (non c19) people there are and how many different ways people die. Trust me it may help you put things into perspective.
 
We have known that certain pre-existing conditions, like you listed, heighten the risk of Covid for well over a year. If there are people that don’t know this fact, then they are choosing to get their info from the wrong sources.

Almost everyone knows doctors, nurses, pharmacists, trusted friends that they can talk to about the vaccine. If you are choosing not to get it in August 2021, then you can’t blame “misinformation”.

The only reason this thing has ever been politicized is because we have allowed ourselves to look to politicians, cable news commentators, internet bloggers and governmental organizations for answers instead of talking to our local experts.

Almost the entire medical field is currently begging for us to get vaccinated for our own health and community immunity, but many ignore them. What motives could they have other than care for their fellow man?
Insurance money is a huge motivating factor for everything hospitals and dr offices do.
Not saying they are recommending vaccines to keep insurance companies backing them, just providing another reason.
Dr’s offices and hospitals have been more about that than their fellow man for at least 30 years.
 
Do you also want that information for every other communicable disease?
If that were the topic of conversation all across the country and world, yes. Why not??

Look if we’re going to spout off partial numbers here and there that gets everyone upset with each other, why not share it all so everyone can make a logical, informed decision. Unfortunately that makes sense and in today’s world that is apparently not allowed.
 
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I haven’t got the shot. But I have already had covid , therefore based on what research is out there and depending on what time and what day I should have antibodies
 
I find those numbers to be bogus. I have several patients of mine that have come down with Covid in the last 2 months. At least half had received the vaccine.

I believe they use total cases since this all began as a reference, meaning probably 30,000,000 cases were from the unvaxed.

Over the last month I believe 1 in 5 cases are from vaccinated people.

A big problem is the way the CDC and local health officials present numbers to bolster their position.

I'm vaxed and I firmly believe it helps with total cases, hospitalizations and deaths but the numbers presented are bogus and not a real time snapshot of what is happening.
 
As many have stated, the issue doesn’t lie within vaccinated vs not, that’s all politicized. The issue is the general health status of Americans. Smoking, alcohol, obesity, processed foods, etc.

People who are legitimately healthy and take care of their bodies and control what they put in them, don’t need a vaccine. Sadly, that’s a very small percentage but doesn’t mean those individuals should be ostracized for declining a vaccine.

vaccinated individuals are likely the biggest carriers at this point. Yeah there’s a large percentage of non-vaccinated patients currently. Who do you think gave it to them?
No one listen to this.
 
I find those numbers to be bogus. I have several patients of mine that have come down with Covid in the last 2 months. At least half had received the vaccine.
Numbers came from a July 26th CDC article. See below for one from 8/9

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

As of August 9, 2021, more than 166 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

During the same time, CDC received reports from 49 U.S. states and territories of 8,054 patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died.

Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC

Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC8,054
Female3,856(48%)
People aged ≥65 years5,928(74%)
Asymptomatic infections1,400(17%)
Hospitalizations*7,608(94%)
Deaths†1,587(20%)


Percentage of breakthrough cases that resulted in death or hospitalization in the vaccinated population = .0048518%
Percentage of breath cases that resulted in death in the vaccinated population = .000956%

Just me guessing here, but Im willing to bet that those asymptomatic deaths were folks who died WITH covid not OF covid.
 
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There is just so much bad information out there. Rational, intelligent people are being fed misinformation and it’s causing them to make harmful decisions for their health and this country. It’s almost like someone is intentionally feeding this misinformation to us….. hmmm….
 
There is just so much bad information out there. Rational, intelligent people are being fed misinformation and it’s causing them to make harmful decisions for their health and this country. It’s almost like someone is intentionally feeding this misinformation to us….. hmmm….
Russia and China without question ..... and probably those 8Chan aholes who created the whole QANON crap
 
Serious question, does it still fall in to the category of a vaccine when you need a booster less than a year later. Seems very different from what I have historically thought about as a vaccine. Not comparing the severity of the two diseases but seems more like the “vaccine” is more like an annual flu shot.
 
How could a treatment for Covid be short supply but we've got excess vaccine?

More difficult to produce?

Pretty infuriating because I've known a few people who got the antibody treatment and they felt better immediately.
Harvard doctor on now talking about the focus needs to be on therapeutics and not so much on vaccine
 
Serious question, does it still fall in to the category of a vaccine when you need a booster less than a year later. Seems very different from what I have historically thought about as a vaccine. Not comparing the severity of the two diseases but seems more like the “vaccine” is more like an annual flu shot.
It’s completely new applied technology. Never been done before.

But I think it does meet the technical definition because it has mRNA from Rona Spike Protein (meaning it has some portion of the Virus).

Pretty much all Vaccines are different as Diseases/Pathogens are different.

Perhaps a category of Therapeutic Vaccine makes sense.
 
I don’t know how people can hear accounts like this and still continue to dig their heels in and swear that we should just go on about our business. I’m a “live and let live” conservative, but how much more f*cking evidence do we need to see that we cannot sustain this.
Thank you for saying this. I too am a conservative and vote republican but believe in vaccines and masks for our children that can't get vaccinated. Amazing there are 2 of us. I believe in a mandate for masks and vaccines. Putting a mask on your face is not taking away your rights when it is for the common good. It's no different to me than not smoking indoors.

This is not political. I'm so sick of it. A mask is a mask is a mask. And as far as tbr vaccine, would you rather contract a virus made in a Chinese lab to kill you or an American made vaccine to protect you? The data is there by now to know the vaccine is the safer option.

Unfortunately, it's going to take kids dying for people to take this seriously and get vaccinated and that's where we are headed.
 
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