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INFLATION on the way?

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At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

INFLATION HERE WE COME!

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At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

INFLATION HERE WE COME!

HOT TAKE HOPEFULLY!
It would have to wait until after the state of emergency was lifted if I understand it correctly. So they may keep that in effect for quite a while
 
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Printing money by the truckload. More ca$h cha$ing the same or less amount of actual goods = inflation. Our grandchildren's grandchildren at this point won't be able to pay off the radical borrowing and vote-buying we have done to this point. Over 30 trillion. We won't / can't welsh on paying the notes, so our wise leaders will just print more, "monetize" the debt, and pay back creditors in cheaper dollars. Inflation is a certainty.
 
Printing money by the truckload. More ca$h cha$ing the same or less amount of actual goods = inflation. Our grandchildren's grandchildren at this point won't be able to pay off the radical borrowing and vote-buying we have done to this point. Over 30 trillion. We won't / can't welsh on paying the notes, so our wise leaders will just print more, "monetize" the debt, and pay back creditors in cheaper dollars. Inflation is a certainty.
 
At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

INFLATION HERE WE COME!

HOT TAKE HOPEFULLY!
Meat and other things are already way up. Ground chuck over $6/lb.
 
Certain things might see deflation, as not enough demand exists to support prices. I am thinking of real estate as deflating in the next 2-5 years if folks cant afford it.
 
At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

if clinton had built the team, sure, i can see inflation.

but trumps team???

nah...



INFLATION HERE WE COME!

HOT TAKE HOPEFULLY!
 
i will say tho that these 3 areas-

healthcare

education

and

commercial real estate prices

we will see deflation over the next 10 years.

health care will have to lower cost to make it more affordable.

the cost of some procedures and medicines and equipment are ridiculous.

same with higher education. double digit increases are catching up with schools.

people are starting to realize that alot of degrees are worthless.

and commerical real estate will be hit hard as people move to online shopping.

i think we see deflation in those areas.
 
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The cool thing about inflation is we can change how the CPI is measured. This allows us to prevent inflation.

Yeah my grocery bill is higher today than last year but our central planners tell me that there is no inflation.
 
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No currency stands alone in valuation it is always valued in relation to other currencies. I think the dollar will be ok for a while
This is wrong. Yes it artificially props up the dollar, but us devaluing the dollar less than other currencies doesn’t mean no inflation.

China and Russia both want to get US away from the reserve currency. They look to be going to their on reserve system away from the US. It’s only a matter of time before the dollar has to be replaced.
 
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At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

INFLATION HERE WE COME!

HOT TAKE HOPEFULLY!
We have had inflation for some time now. Just go to the grocery store, Lowes etc. As long as the FED prints money by the billions and hands out their worthless paper it will continue. Our currency as well as others must become asset backed, destroying the fiat system in place.
 
Printing money by the truckload. More ca$h cha$ing the same or less amount of actual goods = inflation. Our grandchildren's grandchildren at this point won't be able to pay off the radical borrowing and vote-buying we have done to this point. Over 30 trillion. We won't / can't welsh on paying the notes, so our wise leaders will just print more, "monetize" the debt, and pay back creditors in cheaper dollars. Inflation is a certainty.

In theory I don't disagree, but that does not explain how the country who has printed the most (Japan) has seen deflation for decades.

What has happened in Japan and to an extent the US is the money is not "chasing" goods like you would normally think. The velocity of money has collapsed. So if you are printing money and it really just sits on banks balance sheets it never enters the real economy. If they want inflation (which the Fed does) then they will bypass the banks and give it directly to people. Then you will see inflation.
 
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At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

INFLATION HERE WE COME!

HOT TAKE HOPEFULLY!
Nope.
 
1980 is a good measure to compare.

1980 to 2020. thats 40 years

whats the difference in these

gold

the dollar

barrel of oil

gallon of water

gallon of milk

kw/hr

12oz coke

12oz budweiser

loaf of bread

cost of a college credit hour

avg cost of doctors visit

those would be a few i would like to see how inflated they have become
 
Here is an interesting article:


The U.S. is `printing' money to help save the economy during COVID-19 crisis: How far can it go?
The Federal Reserve is creating dollars from scratch at an unprecedented rate, one of many tools to help rescue the economy during the COVID-19 crisis
Brent Schrotenboer, USA TODAY

In its frantic scramble to save the American economy, the central bank of the United States seems to have the ultimate superpower.

It works like magic. With a few strokes on a computer, the Federal Reserve can create dollars out of nothing, virtually "printing" money and injecting it into the commercial banking system, much like an electronic deposit. By the end of the year, the Fed is projected to have purchased $3.5 trillion in government securities with these newly created dollars, one of many tools it is using to help prop up the ailing economy during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to Oxford Economics.

“The way you and I have checking accounts in our banks, that’s how all these other banks have accounts at the Fed,” said Pavlina Tcherneva, an economist at Bard College in New York. “All the Fed does is literally credit them. They just type it in.”

The Fed's goal: To keep markets functioning after they had seized up in fear. The strategy also makes credit easier to obtain, with a bigger money supply and lower interest rates. Without these and the Fed's other emergency measures, the economy would have crashed already, experts say. Fed Chair Jerome Powell said at a recent news conference that these purchases have helped market conditions improve "substantially" in recent weeks.

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Show captionFederal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell speaking earlier this month. By the end of 2020, the Fed is projected to have purchased $3.5 trillion in government...
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But an unstated, practical result of the Fed's bond purchases is that it creates money to finance the gigantic debt run up by Congress. The very idea of it tends to explode the heads of those who say dollars should come from work, savings and investment instead of thin air. In the age of a nearly $25 trillion national debt, such “sound money” concepts seem outdated – relics of a bygone era in which the value of a dollar once was based on a fixed amount of gold.

“What we’re working with now is fake money, a fake measuring rod,” longtime Federal Reserve critic and former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul told USA TODAY. “It is unbelievable.”

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'What we’re working with now is fake money, a fake measuring rod,' longtime Fed critic and former Congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul told USA TODAY.
BEN MARGOT, AP
In this case, the federal government isn’t just creating massive amounts of dollars from scratch. The government also is, in effect, using those newly created dollars to pay down its own debt, this time at an unprecedented scale because of the economy's massive shutdown triggered by the pandemic.

This might sound like a financial fantasy: You mean we can pay our credit card bills by simply pressing a button?

Yes, the government can, unlike people and businesses, though it’s a little more complicated than that. The larger question is whether it's sound and sustainable.

The answer depends on whom you ask and how it’s managed.

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Show captionThe Fed doesn’t literally print paper dollars. That’s the job of the U.S. Treasury. At this time of crisis, the Fed instead makes large asset...
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How it works
The Federal Reserve doesn’t literally print paper dollars. That’s the job of the U.S. Treasury, which also collects taxes and issues debt at the direction of Congress. At this time of crisis, the Fed instead makes large asset purchases on the open market by adding newly created electronic dollars to the reserves of banks such as Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.

In exchange, the Fed receives large amounts of bonds – U.S. Treasury securities and agency securities that are backed by bundles of home mortgages.

As a result, markets that had stopped working smoothly started to flow again. Banks get more dollars in reserve and are more prone to lend money without worrying about exhausting their funds because of a run on the bank in a time of panic. Such big purchases of securities by the Fed also effectively increase the money supply and drive down interest rates. This keeps borrowing costs cheap for those who need it.

If the Fed didn’t take these and other emergency measures, “The system already would have blown up,” said Tim Duy, an economist at the University of Oregon who previously worked in the U.S. Treasury. “The markets would have crashed 10 times over.”

Separately, Congress recently has passed massive spending bills that have swollen the national debt by about $2.4 trillion to help businesses and taxpayers. Much of that money comes from issuing U.S. Treasury securities – government debt that is bought by investors who earn interest on it.

Such foreign and domestic investors owned most U.S. public debt as of last year, with the Fed only owning 14% of it, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Now the Fed has even more. Since mid-March, the Fed has bought $1.4 trillion in Treasuries – the bulk of the $1.6 trillion in total Treasuries issued during that period – to thaw out markets that had frozen because of the current crisis, according to Oxford Economics. The Fed, however, doesn't buy securities directly from the U.S. Treasury. Instead, it purchases previously issued Treasury securities through commercial banks.

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Federal Reserve building.
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In effect, one part of the government – the Fed – is creating dollars to buy government debt in the form of securities previously issued by the U.S. Treasury. The Treasury then pays the Fed what it owes in interest on those securities. In turn, the Fed is required by law to return to the Treasury the profit it makes from the Treasury off of these securities.

“It’s just kind of a circle in that respect,” Duy said.

The same circle also plays a role in the Fed's unprecedented crisis plan to lend more than $2 trillion to businesses, and state and local governments. In this case, the Fed also would be creating the money for loans, said former Federal Reserve vice chairman Alan Blinder, now an economics professor at Princeton.

Fed Chair Powell said he expects the loans to be repaid. But what if some aren't? Does it matter? After all, the Fed can just push a button to create money.

Blinder said it does matter because the Fed is required to remit to the Treasury the profits it makes on its balance sheet, which has ballooned by $2.2 trillion to a record $6.7 trillion since mid-March.

"If the Fed would take losses on some of its loans, it would pay less to the Treasury," Blinder said. "The budget deficit would be higher, so it would be as if the Treasury spent more money or taxed less."

This is why Congress, through the CARES Act relief and stimulus measure, also has provided $454 billion for Fed programs in case some loans fail, giving the central bank some political cover in case they do.

Inflation risk?
Paul, the former Texas Congressman and author of "End the Fed," predicts such money creation will lead to disaster. He says it will cause overheated financial bubbles fueled by too much easy money in the system – a bubble that could burst with painful fallout. Creating too much money that chases too few goods also leads to price inflation, decreasing the purchasing power of the dollar.

But high inflation didn’t materialize the last time the Fed created money on a similar scale as part of its efforts to revive the economy during and after the Great Recession. To the contrary, an arguably bigger concern – then and now – has been persistently low inflation, which eventually could lead to deflation, or falling prices, that prompt consumers to put off spending and hurt the economy.

"With the economy so down, and inflation so low, the fears that these kinds of operations will lead to high inflation in the United States seem very farfetched," Blinder said.

The cause of the current crisis was a pandemic that forced businesses to shut down for weeks, leading both the Fed and Congress to take extraordinary measures. Congress is approving huge amounts of spending on stimulus and relief while the Fed is creating huge amounts of dollars that end up paying for that debt.

This isn’t new, Tcherneva said.

“It’s just that now the expenditure is so extraordinary, and because we need to pass a huge budget overnight that we are suddenly realizing we didn’t tax anyone to get this money, and we didn’t borrow it from anyone,” said Tcherneva, author of the upcoming book, "The Case for a Job Guarantee." “The government self-finances.”

Tcherneva is on the opposite side of the spectrum from Paul. She is a proponent of "Modern Monetary Theory," which argues that the government can always pay its bills by creating more money, minimizing the importance of deficits and debt.

Not every country can do this – only those that issue their own currency. And no other country can borrow quite like the United States, whose Treasury securities are in demand worldwide, largely because they are backed by the “full faith and credit” of the U.S. government, a global superpower with a powerful military. But there are limits.
 
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so trump

-raises tariffs on china

-makes us energy independent

-lets states manage their response with loose guidelines

-rejects cdc guidelines, makes them revise for different areas. whats good for nyc might not work in dodge city kansas
 
Up till now, the GOP has been eager to spend tax dollars to help Trump’s re-election chances. As soon as Biden is elected, you will see GOP legislators start talking about the need to balance the budget and how awful deficits are. You wait. It is coming.
 
Up till now, the GOP has been eager to spend tax dollars to help Trump’s re-election chances. As soon as Biden is elected, you will see GOP legislators start talking about the need to balance the budget and how awful deficits are. You wait. It is coming.
Biden elected? Come on man. He doesn't even know today is Tuesday.
 
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spending taxpayer money

republicans- american blue collar workers, american white collared salary positions, small business owners, national defense.

democrats- illegal immigrants and .... ummmmm beats me.
 
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At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

INFLATION HERE WE COME!

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You were correct.


Massive inflation since this post (When Biden took office)
 
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At 50% occupancy how quickly will prices increase, and with stimulus money and extra unemployment weekly checks, how quickly will the dollar be worth less, and w with fewer people in hospitals, hoquickly will medical costs increase, and with meat shortages higher food prices?

INFLATION HERE WE COME!

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Who could have seen it coming?
 
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The question is, does Joe have a plan to decrease inflation?

He just forgave student loan debt to 275,000 people this morning. 🙄
 
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What do you think Trump is doing by telling the top 1% he will reduce their taxes again? And then explain how that doesn't doesn't balloon the deficit and make inflation worse.
Because one day you will understand that cutting taxes stimulates the economy.


 
Who's going to pay for the $2 trillion it added to the deficit in Trump's last term? And then explain how putting more money in people's pockets will bring inflation down.
If you let people keep more of their own money they will invest it into their companies and drive efficiencies.

Private business is much better, as continuously proven over time, at driving efficiencies than government is.

Are you saying that it’s impossible to bring inflation down? You brought up Trump and inflation never read over 1.4% during his term.
 
If you let people keep more of their own money they will invest it into their companies and drive efficiencies.

Private business is much better, as continuously proven over time, at driving efficiencies than government is.

Are you saying that it’s impossible to bring inflation down? You brought up Trump and inflation never read over 1.4% during his term.
Wrong, that inflation number was from January 2021 when unemployment was high.

I can't think of any circumstances that would explain the difference in inflation numbers between Trump's term and now, can you? Seems like something happened that caused worldwide inflation but I can't put my finger on it...
 
Wrong, that inflation number was from January 2021 when unemployment was high.

I can't think of any circumstances that would explain the difference in inflation numbers between Trump's term and now, can you? Seems like something happened that caused worldwide inflation but I can't put my finger on it...
Along those lines, you have to admit that job creation numbers from Biden are full of shit too. Can't have it both ways.
 
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