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Interesting Covid Data
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Okay. Interesting but expected data.
COVID cases are dropping like a rock and have been for 2 months. The nationwide 7 day moving average of cases is less than half of what it was on 8/25/21 (155k down to 67k).
Daily cases in SC are 10% of what they were on 8/25/21.
COVID cases are dropping like a rock and have been for 2 months. The nationwide 7 day moving average of cases is less than half of what it was on 8/25/21 (155k down to 67k).
Daily cases in SC are 10% of what they were on 8/25/21.
when you water the lawn the grass turns green, not the other way around.
The vaccine rates increasing might have something to do with rates dropping, but you continue to believe your conspiracy of the week.
I think it’s based on two things
1) increase in vax rates
2) Delta was so contagious, that it burned through the population very quickly.
So once again no matter the reason with the covid rates dropping so fast why would the govt be hellbent to the point of firing tens of thousands of professionally trained individuals all over the nation to force getting vaxed? Why take the experimental vaccine and make young kids take it? Why still forced masking? Not a damn bit of this makes sense. Please enlighten me if I am missing something.
I'm not sold on this.......a ton of people in my town have had it or have it now and they were all vaccinated. My Uncle and cousins in Greenville all had it (3 spent time in the ICU and one passed away) and all of them were vaccinated.
The vaccine doesn't appear to prevent infection, it prevents severe affects from infection or at least that's how it seems to me.
I think if anything, maybe it's giving people the confidence to not get tested if they have symptoms thus the cases are dropping.
What's shocking to me in regards to the Govt mandates on employers is that we aren't forcing vaccination proof on welfare or food stamp recipients. So the people that draw support from the government get a pass but the people that contribute to the govt via taxes don't get a pass...........seems really odd given we are talking about tax increases all over the place.
You really have to ask yourself what the rationale is here........
You really have to ask yourself what the rationale is here........
Getting vaccinated is a hurdle now? They will come to you and give you the shot or drive you to a location to get it for free. Calling it a hurdle is a stretch don’t you think.
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CDC data says 84.5% of the people in the US who are 65 or older are fully vaccinated.
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COVID-19 mortality preventable by vaccines - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
In this analysis, we estimate the number of adult deaths that could have been prevented by timely vaccination. We find that approximately 234,000 deaths since June 2021 could have been prevented with primary series vaccination. These vaccine-preventable deaths represent 60% of all adult COVID-19...
www.healthsystemtracker.org
COVID-19 was the number 1 leading cause of death for people ages 35-54 years in September 2021
no the mandate is for corporations with government contracts. For instance my corp doesn't require vaxxes. I still don't really agree with it in spirit, but Americans are being fvcking stupid right now.
I'd argue that anyone taking government assistance has a contract with the government, no?
Well no, social services provided to its citizens in need are not the same as paying a private corporation for services.
He is saying the poor are so stupid, lazy and worthless that we shouldn't ask them to do more. They use the word vulnerable but they really mean poor, stupid, lazy, worthless people who can't do anything for themselves. I prefer to call them Americans who can be responsible and make choices for themselves.
Social services = free money from tax contributions. No one in the country should be ok with anyone receiving free government money and not having to live to the same standards that the government holds it's own employees to.
-Drug testing
-Criminal records
-Background checks
-Covid vaccines
just to name a few.
Don't forget to clarify that you believe this not because these people suck but because we actually need to get to the point of helping people get a hand up so they can be successful in America as well. Let's expect more from everyone and we'll get more from everyone.
no, i'm not actually. i just think we have a duty to help the poorest among us, and creating more barriers to them receiving assistance is pointless imo. this just seems like another roadblock to giving the poorest among us gov't assistance similar to how your side thinks that those on welfare should be drug tested. this is despite there being tons of evidence showing that it costs the gov't more money to constantly drug test welfare recipients than the amount that are kicked off of welfare for failing their drug tests. furthermore, you could argue that if you're going to drug test people on welfare, you should also drug test private companies that receive government assistance and bailouts.
States waste hundreds of thousands on drug testing for welfare, but have little to show for it | CLASP
Quotes CLASP about concerns over the screening test used to determine addiction.
www.clasp.org
What 13 states discovered after spending hundreds of thousands drug testing the poor
Out of more than 263,000 applicants, less than 1 percent were rejected from TANF for drugs.
archive.thinkprogress.org
An Argument Against Drug Testing Welfare Recipients - PubMed
Programs of drug testing welfare recipients are increasingly common in US states and have been considered elsewhere. Though often intensely debated, such programs are complicated to evaluate because their aims are ambiguous-aims like saving money may be in tension with aims like referring people...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
you're misinterpreting what i meant when i said "the most vulnerable among us." i didn't mean their vulnerability to covid.
*In best The Departed Jack Nicholaus voice:
This is America and here we believe in a few things. The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Those rights are inalienable, and if someone is so down on their luck they need goverment handouts, thats in the way of their right to life correct? Well, then its completely ridiculous to compare them to government contractors which have no right to work... Its a bad comparison why are you even making it? Just so you can punch down on poor people MORE?
Did I misinterpret? Or was your post poorly worded in a thread about COVID. Either way, no problem.
You think I'm beating on the poor because I want welfare recipients to live by the same rules as everyone else?
It’s incredible that the “shut up and vax” crowd refuses to see the data is deteriorating literally by the week. It’s stats, pure and simple. At least UK and other civilized countries media report the data as is. Ours just ignores it.
This is data just released from the CDC. Don't shoot the messenger. According to just released data from CDC, 40% of all Covid deaths in America last week were vaccinated.
Here's the cumulative breakthrough death report from CDC last week. Last week CDC reported 7,178 vaccinated deaths with Covid so far this year.
And now the most recent week's report the number has climbed to 10,857 vaccinated Covid deaths.
THAT IS A 51.2% INCREASE IN JUST ONE WEEK!
According to Worldometer's daily Covid statistics there were 9,060 total deaths with Covid in the United States between October 13th-18th. And according to the CDC data 3,679 of them were vaccinated.
3,679 one week increase in vaccinated Covid deaths divided by the 9,060 total Covid deaths that same week = 40% of all Covid deaths in the United States last week were vaccinated.
To repeat...data from from CDC shows a 51.2% increase in fully-vaccinated Covid deaths in JUST THE LAST WEEK. And CDC is now reporting 40% of all Covid deaths in America last week were vaccinated.
This is data just released from the CDC. Don't shoot the messenger. According to just released data from CDC, 40% of all Covid deaths in America last week were vaccinated.
Here's the cumulative breakthrough death report from CDC last week. Last week CDC reported 7,178 vaccinated deaths with Covid so far this year.
And now the most recent week's report the number has climbed to 10,857 vaccinated Covid deaths.
THAT IS A 51.2% INCREASE IN JUST ONE WEEK!
According to Worldometer's daily Covid statistics there were 9,060 total deaths with Covid in the United States between October 13th-18th. And according to the CDC data 3,679 of them were vaccinated.
3,679 one week increase in vaccinated Covid deaths divided by the 9,060 total Covid deaths that same week = 40% of all Covid deaths in the United States last week were vaccinated.
To repeat...data from from CDC shows a 51.2% increase in fully-vaccinated Covid deaths in JUST THE LAST WEEK. And CDC is now reporting 40% of all Covid deaths in America last week were vaccinated.
Umm, your math doesn't work and you literally say two different numbers for vaccinated Covid deaths is either 51.2% or 40% in the same sentence. Might want to do some editing or maybe learn math
Read it slowly. Maybe that will help. It’s comprehension of the math. Not the math.
51% INCREASE IN FVC19 deaths in just a week.
40% of all C19 deaths that week were FV.
🙄
i can't seem to find any data from CDC to substantiate these claims. do you have a link to the study you got this info from?
COVID-19 Vaccination and Non–COVID-19 Mortality Risk ...
This report describes lower non-COVID-19 death rates among COVID-19 vaccinated people.
www.cdc.gov
COVID News: Vaccines for children could be available in weeks, Fauci says
Dr. Anthony Fauci predicts that vaccines for children between 5 and 11 could become available within the first two weeks of November.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
www.cdc.gov
You want them to live by the rules of government contractors... not everyone else. You're either being purposefully dishonest or your just so biased against the poor you cant comprehend what Im saying.
Yes, I want people that receive handouts to have to live to a certain standard. Simple things like proof of identity to receive said check, proof they are drug free, proof they can't find employment and if we are going to force America's workforce to get the vaccine, then welfare recipients should also be expected to take the vaccine. I don't know how you could possibly want anything else.
Biased against the poor? Dude, I grew up in poverty.......my single mother worked 3 jobs to keep food on the table and the two of us in insanely low income dwellings just so she didn't have to take money from the Govt. She wasn't even high school educated and yet still managed to find enough work to survive. She also knew how to budget so she could live within what her paychecks provided her. She was the recipient of years of domestic abuse before you decide to compare her to that demographic to try and make another point. You see, people can will themselves out of sh*tty situations if they truly want to.
The other reason you should want better checks and balances is the sheer amount of fraud that occurs year in and year out. Maybe instead of lobbying for higher taxes you should lobby your state representation to do a better job at managing a budget, locking down fraud and finding alternative methods to help people.
If you took just the amount of fraudulent allocations each year and invested in an index fund, or created startups/businesses, you could generate funding, jobs, etc which would also generate what? More tax revenue.......
7 day average in Charleston county...
59 cases
half a million population
Honestly didn't know those numbers but this thread inspired me to check.
59 cases
half a million population
Honestly didn't know those numbers but this thread inspired me to check.
It actually should be pretty difficult to take money from your fellow Americans, which is all government assistance is. Just an inefficient redistribution of other people's money.
Exclusions include physically and mentally handicapped. For others, it should be difficult.
It’s all from their site and worldmeter. It takes time to play around with the CDC site. I did it the other day. The CDC site does all it can to hide any negative vax data but its there if you sift through. This is actually a very frustrating part of how our govt has handled info. The CDC is extremely loose with data that helps their narrative and extremely strict and conservative with data that may not help them. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. Data should just be data and readily available. The UK actually kicks our ass with this, good or bad they make it easy to find.i can't seem to find any data from CDC to substantiate these claims. do you have a link to the study you got this info from?
COVID-19 Vaccination and Non–COVID-19 Mortality Risk ...
This report describes lower non-COVID-19 death rates among COVID-19 vaccinated people.COVID News: Vaccines for children could be available in weeks, Fauci says
Dr. Anthony Fauci predicts that vaccines for children between 5 and 11 could become available within the first two weeks of November.abc7ny.com
"More than 408 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 18, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,878 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
If everyone would have just stuck to the numbers during this and looked at them on their own it could have done wonders for perspective. Probability and Statistics man!
I thought the most interesting data was the survey of food service workers at the top right. People not getting paid well having to put of with a LOT of extra stress during all of this.
we should probably all keep that in mind next time we go to a restaurant and start to complain about staffing levels.
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Here’s this week’s tracker for anyone interested….
You gonna pay for their housing and rehab while they go through the drug program that gets them clean too? If so, I'm all for it. While you are at it legalize drugs so we can stop sending drug users into prisons to get hooked on worse drugs.
While your experience in abuse and poverty might make you think you are an expert on fixing it, you aren't. Sorry those things happened to you, doesn't make you an expert on what fixes them.
My family went into debt to get degrees to serve our local municipalities most needed. We are well aware of the day in, day out of what is actually happening with hte money spent and who gets it and what actually works. See we actually do that job. I'll tell you what, the city councilors sure like to sue the press when they report on the fraud we all know that goes on here. Gastonia NC, all republicans, not that it matters. They will cut taxes and steal federal and state funds from the children of this county .. all ... day ... long. But hey at least they are owning the libs. But sure, the poor here, they are the problem, they are the ones gaming the system. You should actually attend a city council meeting, it will blow your hair back on how stupid those people are.
Most the fraud in our state occurs from private companies receiving state funds. Privatizing and making the social needs of the poor dependent on proftis, does not work. You would know that if you ever worked within the confines of your present day pay to play system.
Shocker, someone on the left thinking it's my job to pay for someone else's poor choices.
Also shocker, a conscious decision to go to an expensive 4 year university to work in a traditionally underpaid field (while mentioning being in debt no less) but yet America should trust your views as how best to solve some of the challenges? Please don't get me wrong, I admire those that sign up to help but much like when I joined the military, you do so knowing it's an underpaid field. That said, maybe your family members/you would be better suited to establish some new concepts for how best to resolve the challenges......so why not run for more influential office positions?
Legalize drugs and tax the absolute bejesus out of it same as cigarettes........I'm all for it. The challenge though, is those folks you're sending to prison for selling drugs have to find another career because companies with large balance sheets, startups, big pharma, etc will see the opportunity for huge revenue windfalls and will take over the crops, supply chain, distribution etc so the reality is the thing most of ya'll rage against just becomes more powerful (rich get richer). Do you reckon those folks will go work for $15 an hour and grind their way out like I did?
In 2019 over $175B was lost to welfare fraud or errant checks. 7% (average index tracking return) on $175B is $12B.......let that sink in for a minute.
Shocker that some right wing jerk has no solutions only chastises those actually working to solve the problems. You ever hear the phrase any jack ass can knock down a barn but it takes a carpenter to build one? You fit that. You are literally belittling people for taking on debt to work in a thankless field that helps to keep your society safe. Imagine if cops had to actually go into debt to work their jobs? 50.3 % of the budget in this town goes to them, because we need paramilitary equipment for them and we have to pay off all their earned lawsuits.
I don't understand why you hate people so much you don't want to work with others to help them. Poor choices? lol yah sure, everyone makes poor choices, sometimes being born is enough.
For the record, I've been called way worse and I didn't belittle anyone. The point I made was that if you knowingly go to a 4 year school and incur large amounts of debt when your only plan was to take a job that doesn't pay enough to settle said debt, then you can't cry about the debt as you walked into that "eyes wide open". You also tried to compare that to me growing up in poverty as a benchmark for who might have more "real world" experience but yes, let's result to name calling because someone doesn't agree with you......(Common theme on here)
I love the barn analogy but the reality is the left are the ones trying to knock it all down and "build back better". No arguments around me being able to build you a barn but your thought logic is that I should pay to rebuild the barn just because I can afford to and that's where I have an issue. I pay an absolute absorbent amount in taxes, that's money taken away from my kids college funds, my retirement, my "social well-being" (your words not mine) and you expect that just because I have the means and you don't. That's the issue so many have with this......you want to spend money you didn't actually contribute and you put no responsibility on the government to manage that money more efficiently.
But you certainly come across as someone that knows better.......someone that isn't at all politically biased and votes stance not party.
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