just wondering.
hope you got your kids as far away from that moron as possible.
if he isnt fired by now, why???
hope you got your kids as far away from that moron as possible.
if he isnt fired by now, why???
Is that professor fired yet?
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that has nothing to do with it.
the guy is a racist and bigot.
if he was asian, he would have been fired by now.
clemson is no place for racist or bigots. the guy needs to move to chicago, new york, dc, or st louis.
the guy is a racist and bigot.
if he was asian, he would have been fired by now.
clemson is no place for racist or bigots. the guy needs to move to chicago, new york, dc, or st louis.
Think that young Brown U prof would prefer that we were communist China.
round them up and sent them to chicago. maybe instad of being a racis and bigot, these guys could put their energy to good use by helping chicago blacks quit killing each other.
That wuss called me an evil white supremacist because I don't agree with him politically or economically. He should not be spewing his hateful foolishness on Clemson's campus.
as long as parents know their kids are not around this guy.
it reminds me of religious leaders in mosque who turn kids to hate.
Clemson may not have a choice if this senator gets her way.
https://www.fitsnews.com/2017/08/30/katrina-shealy-delivers-ultimatum-to-clemson-university/
https://www.fitsnews.com/2017/08/30/katrina-shealy-delivers-ultimatum-to-clemson-university/
Why are you here snowflake? I thought you left TI b/c people were being mean to you.
If he has tenure, he's protected. Only way you can get fired if you have tenure is "moral terpitude", aka sleeping with one of your students.
I thought South Carolina had the right to fire law? Don't even need a reason.
App, isn't this the great thing about this country--the allowing of free speech. I think conservatives and libertarians are right when they critique college campuses trying to make safe spaces. I think conservatives are right when they say that antifa is wrong to try and stop speech through violence.
But we can't have free speech only when we like it or it fits our political motivations. Part of the constitutionally granted liberty we enjoy, that the founders believed in, comes from that free speech. (the supreme court has said that speech that incites violence is not covered but I think that should be very limited and specific) I say let the prof speak but everyone is free to denounce the statement and tell the admin to denounce the statement or not donate to the university. If you want to get liberal profs fired that is fine, but you have to accept a liberal trying to get a conservative prof fired for simply being conservative and be ok with that too.
I'd also add that this wasn't in a classroom--this was on the guy's FB wall. I'm always nervous about an employer using something written on social media against them if it isn't a part of their actual job. If the guy is teaching a class on machine learning and recommendation systems and starts going off about 'republican scum' then that could be handled differently with some internal punishment, but this was just a random FB post.
Just my perspective.
But we can't have free speech only when we like it or it fits our political motivations. Part of the constitutionally granted liberty we enjoy, that the founders believed in, comes from that free speech. (the supreme court has said that speech that incites violence is not covered but I think that should be very limited and specific) I say let the prof speak but everyone is free to denounce the statement and tell the admin to denounce the statement or not donate to the university. If you want to get liberal profs fired that is fine, but you have to accept a liberal trying to get a conservative prof fired for simply being conservative and be ok with that too.
I'd also add that this wasn't in a classroom--this was on the guy's FB wall. I'm always nervous about an employer using something written on social media against them if it isn't a part of their actual job. If the guy is teaching a class on machine learning and recommendation systems and starts going off about 'republican scum' then that could be handled differently with some internal punishment, but this was just a random FB post.
Just my perspective.
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According to the article @scartiger posted, he's an assistant professor, and assistant professors don't get tenure.
Tenured professors can be fired, it's more difficult, but it can be done, and I would think that his comments would qualify.
Not Shealy's but there is huge petition on FB for people to sign so the end may be near for this guy.
Free speech is great, no doubt, and he can legally say whatever he wants. But as an employee of Clemson University, and the State of South Carolina, he must also abide by a standard of conduct. He flamboyantly failed, and in doing so tarnished the reputation of the University and the state, and that is absolutely a fireable offense.
That's the thing that you, and a lot of other people don't understand about free speech. They think free speech means anyone can say anything and that there are no consequences. That's absurdly false.
Much more difficult with a tenured professor, but if he's an assistant prof, there is no tenure there.
I had one tell me I was born a racist because I was born in the 70s. This professor also said you get a free pass being African American and ghey... I didnt think I could contain myself so well...
@appalachiatiger. I suspect that you are not a college grad. There are LOTS of lessons to be learned in college and IMHO, the most important ones are NOT taught by professors dumping a bunch of information in front of students and testing them later.
As an example: I was a Chem major at Clemson and took a philosophy course as an elective. I learned a lot, but the professor kind of reminds me of this guy above. He had some pretty strong opinions of how white folks have exploited brown folks in this country (that's both Native American and African American) and would go off on a 20 + min rant at anything resembling the drop of a hat. I thought about his opinions over the course of the semester a good bit and came to the conclusion that while he made some good points, his conclusions (reparations and vast land grants) were full of crap. So while this guy definitely knew his philosophy, he was just as subject to being wrong as anyone when it came to subjects he was not an expert on. This is a key life lesson (that someone who has some measure of authority over you is not always right).
Diversity and differing opinions are extremely important in academia. When everyone agrees with everyone else, progress and learning about new things are stymied. It's only through the introduction of new ideas and new ways of doing things is progress made. That means people with different views and opinions of the "right" way working together to find solutions. When you work to provide an environment like this, you are bound to find a few idiots along the way. But protecting their right to free expression is key to having an environment that promotes learning.
So app, if we were talking grade or elementary school, I'd agree with you. Hell maybe even high school. But college kids (they are adults even if we still refer to them as kids) should be able to listen to this guy's rantings and form their own opinions.
Spent 6 years in college. Walked away with 2 degrees.
Enjoyed college life very much. Phi Alpha.
Troll game skrong yes.
Can his ass....
