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77 participants, not randomized, investigators not blinded. Not only that, but the study discussion states multiple times that in natural immunity the antibody counts declined significantly at 4+ months. Yeah they’re still present, but they decline significantly. How do you get them back up? You can either be vaccinated and get a booster or you can get covid again and come into contact with a variant that your body doesn’t recognize because it is specifically trained to fight the one strain you encountered 6 months ago. That’s another benefit to mRNA vaccines, they are focused solely on the spike proteins. Those don’t mutate as often.
Here ya go educate yourself then get back to me.

“Viruses constantly change and become more diverse. Scientists monitor these changes, including changes to the spikes on the surface of the virus. “
 
Why are you trying to read things you don’t understand. Ok let’s begin sure serum antibodies decreased in some but not all people in the study some even showed a increase. Forgot to add that detail huh. None of that is important though.More importantly it was found that in most people in the study a long-lived bone marrow plasma cells were detected which are key to fighting off covid19 and providing long term immunity. Forgot to add that little detail huh. Now to your spike protein comment. If you like I can link an article for you to better understand how variants are formed because you simply don’t have a clue. The spike protein mutation is exactly what is causing the variants. Not sure what you mean by they don’t mutate.
Reading comprehension not your strong suit I see.

These long-living plasma cells may last a while but they are in much less quantity than more quickly responding cells.

I didn’t say spike protein doesn’t mutate. If you go back and read my post I said “those don’t mutate as often”, which is fact. Let’s say the spike protein makes up 25% of the virus. Would you say that it’s more likely for 1/4 of the virus to mutate or the other 3/4 of its material?

Variants are happening due to mutations all around the virus. There are dozens of mutations that are totally unrelated to the spike protein. There are a handful (I believe 5 if I recall correctly) of variants that have mutations in the spike protein. These are the “variants of concern”.

Obviously I can’t convince you to get vaccinated as you don’t understand how it works. But don’t even think for a second that you will get any sympathy from me or most others on this board if you or a voluntarily unvaccinated family member gets covid and dies. If you post on here in 2 months “I’m being admitted to the hospital with covid, it hurts to breathe” I will comment “LOL”.
 
Reading comprehension not your strong suit I see.

These long-living plasma cells may last a while but they are in much less quantity than more quickly responding cells.

I didn’t say spike protein doesn’t mutate. If you go back and read my post I said “those don’t mutate as often”, which is fact. Let’s say the spike protein makes up 25% of the virus. Would you say that it’s more likely for 1/4 of the virus to mutate or the other 3/4 of its material?

Variants are happening due to mutations all around the virus. There are dozens of mutations that are totally unrelated to the spike protein. There are a handful (I believe 5 if I recall correctly) of variants that have mutations in the spike protein. These are the “variants of concern”.

Obviously I can’t convince you to get vaccinated as you don’t understand how it works. But don’t even think for a second that you will get any sympathy from me or most others on this board if you or a voluntarily unvaccinated family member gets covid and dies. If you post on here in 2 months “I’m being admitted to the hospital with covid, it hurts to breathe” I will comment “LOL”.
Again educate yourself before speaking. These quickly responding antibodies you speak of come from these plasma cells. Can you even read? Direct from the peer reviewed study” Long-lived bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) are a persistent and essential source of protective antibodies1,2,3,4,5,6,7. Individuals who have recovered from COVID-19 have a substantially lower risk of reinfection with SARS-CoV-28,9,10. “ As far as spike mutations go if you want to educate yourself I will post more links for you. Variants are caused by the change of the size or stickiness of the spike. It has nothing to do with the surface of the protein.
 
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Reading comprehension not your strong suit I see.

These long-living plasma cells may last a while but they are in much less quantity than more quickly responding cells.

I didn’t say spike protein doesn’t mutate. If you go back and read my post I said “those don’t mutate as often”, which is fact. Let’s say the spike protein makes up 25% of the virus. Would you say that it’s more likely for 1/4 of the virus to mutate or the other 3/4 of its material?

Variants are happening due to mutations all around the virus. There are dozens of mutations that are totally unrelated to the spike protein. There are a handful (I believe 5 if I recall correctly) of variants that have mutations in the spike protein. These are the “variants of concern”.

Obviously I can’t convince you to get vaccinated as you don’t understand how it works. But don’t even think for a second that you will get any sympathy from me or most others on this board if you or a voluntarily unvaccinated family member gets covid and dies. If you post on here in 2 months “I’m being admitted to the hospital with covid, it hurts to breathe” I will comment “LOL”.
Here ya go I’m good enjoy your yearly booster. 😂
 
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What's your chances of you shitting yourself while you're out and about today? For argument's sake, less say it's 99.8% that you won't. So what we're going to need you to do is go ahead and wear a diaper just in case. And truthfully, it's not for your protection, it's for everybody else's. You good? Good! And thanks for your cooperation.
Boy , did you ever get that one ass backwards ! lmao
 
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Here ya go I’m good enjoy your yearly booster. 😂
Another sub-scholarly article. Where do you find this crap ? at the Sean Hannity Library of Quackery ?
 
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are you a public health MD?

No but I’ve done plenty of research. Shoot when I asked my doctor, he told me to get it just so I didn’t have to quarantine if exposed. I’m not saying it isn’t effective, I’m just not going to get it til at least a year after I’ve had the virus.
 
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While I agree that people have a right to be dumb, not only do unvaccinated fatties increase the risk of vaccine-resistant variants forming, the rest of us are subsidizing their hospital stay. At a minimum insurance should stop covering covid expenses from the unvaccinated (although most of them probably don't have insurance anyway)
True but covid patient expenses are nothing more than a drop in a bucket of hospital expenses that were subsidizing. I chose to get it but don’t think that makes me right and those who didn’t wrong. I don’t think insurance should drop anyone who declined the vaccine if they are still going to cover the millions of people who exhibit any of the other countless amount of unhealthy habits/lifestyles.
 
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What an idiot. I hope his insurance company laughs at him and the hospital charges him double.
Just curious do you hope the same for obese people, heroin users, smokers, drinkers and people who don’t exercise?
 
Just curious do you hope the same for obese people, heroin users, smokers, drinkers and people who don’t exercise?
No. Many of those are multi factorial problems. Declining a vaccine because of sheer stupidity deserves to be laughed at.

“Hey Man I can give you a shot that can very effectively prevent death and serious illness from a potentially lethal disease, what do you think?”

“I’d rather contract it and fend it off myself”

“Wut d fuq”
 
Just curious do you hope the same for obese people, heroin users, smokers, drinkers and people who don’t exercise?
If those lifestyle choices could be fixed with a two shot regimen and they didn't take it, cuz guvment, then they shouldn't be covered either.
 
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Another sub-scholarly article. Where do you find this crap ? at the Sean Hannity Library of Quackery ?
You mean another summary of a peer reviewed study? Then you would be correct. I guess since it doesn’t fit the “natural immunity bad” narrative it’s pseudo science? 😂 It’s funny really that you claim the science the peer reviewed studies on the vaccine are sound and then reject peer reviewed studies on natural immunity. My man please don’t comment on things you don’t understand. It just makes you look foolish.
 
If those lifestyle choices could be fixed with a two shot regimen and they didn't take it, cuz guvment, then they shouldn't be covered either.
What about people that chose not to take the vaccine because of a reason other than guvment?
 
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No. Many of those are multi factorial problems. Declining a vaccine because of sheer stupidity deserves to be laughed at.

“Hey Man I can give you a shot that can very effectively prevent death and serious illness from a potentially lethal disease, what do you think?”

“I’d rather contract it and fend it off myself”

“Wut d fuq”
Declining the vaccine may be stupid from your point of view but not everyone shares your values and beliefs. I don’t get why people feel the need to make it an “us versus them” thing. I wouldn’t wish I’ll will on someone who opted out of taking a covid vaccine anymore than I would somebody who eats Big Macs everyday and never exercises but that’s just me.

My hunch is that this whole vaccine vs anti vax argument is just a guise to spew animosity toward people on the other side of the political isle. Because for whatever reason it seems like the overwhelming majority of the anti vax crowd are right wingers and the overwhelming majority of left wingers are vaccinated. I would never expect anybody to admit that, but that’s the root of all the hostility surrounding the issue from my neutral, unbiased point of view.
 
of course they are not zero. very few choices in the situation or any health choice are zero. taking Tylenol is not zero risk.

right now over 99% of covid deaths are unvaccinated people, but not 100%. however, that is pretty compelling reason to get vaccinated. not getting vaccinated because it aint 100% would be pretty ****ing stupid.

in fact, you actually said the risk to young athletes is zero to near near zero. Anecdotally, we can apply that to Clemson last year and we had X Thomas and J. Foster , our two preseason starters at DE, out almost all year from covid. they each also had serious medical conditions for a long time. seems like a pretty big consequence/risk to the individual and their community, and they were young athletes with "zero to little risk."
But how many athletes have died from Covid in high school or college?

Now go look at how many fatalities from adverse reactions to the vaccine?

It may take you using Duck Duck Go but maybe the results will astound you
 
Declining the vaccine may be stupid from your point of view but not everyone shares your values and beliefs. I don’t get why people feel the need to make it an “us versus them” thing. I wouldn’t wish I’ll will on someone who opted out of taking a covid vaccine anymore than I would somebody who eats Big Macs everyday and never exercises but that’s just me.

My hunch is that this whole vaccine vs anti vax argument is just a guise to spew animosity toward people on the other side of the political isle. Because for whatever reason it seems like the overwhelming majority of the anti vax crowd are right wingers and the overwhelming majority of left wingers are vaccinated. I would never expect anybody to admit that, but that’s the root of all the hostility surrounding the issue from my neutral, unbiased point of view.
I think you're right but which side is making it a test of loyalty to an ex-president and what sense does that make? It's completely understandable why the vaxxed crowd would be incensed by this line of thinking.

"Pro-Trump America has decided that vaccine refusal is a statement of identity and a test of loyalty. When pollsters ask about vaccine intentions, they record a 30-point gap: 88 percent of Democrats, but only 54 percent of Republicans, want to be vaccinated as soon as possible. All told, Trump support predicts a state’s vaccine refusal better than average income or education level."

 
I think you're right but which side is making it a test of loyalty to an ex-president and what sense does that make? It's completely understandable why the vaxxed crowd would be incensed by this line of thinking.

"Pro-Trump America has decided that vaccine refusal is a statement of identity and a test of loyalty. When pollsters ask about vaccine intentions, they record a 30-point gap: 88 percent of Democrats, but only 54 percent of Republicans, want to be vaccinated as soon as possible. All told, Trump support predicts a state’s vaccine refusal better than average income or education level."

I can understand why the vax crowd would be incensed by that line of thinking. I personally think that line of thinking is ignorant and stupid.

But what good does it do to portray everyone who hasn’t been vaccinated as some radical Trump supporter that is only refusing to get the vaccine for political reasons? You don’t know everybody’s situation. Besides in the article you linked, it even states that the majority of conservatives want to be vaccinated as soon as possible.

I just hate to see something turn so hostile and political. You have @johnhugh openly wishing for financial harm on his fellow man in the hospital for covid. I don’t agree with that guys decision to not be vaccinated but that doesn’t have to make him or anyone else my enemy.
 
I can understand why the vax crowd would be incensed by that line of thinking. I personally think that line of thinking is ignorant and stupid.

But what good does it do to portray everyone who hasn’t been vaccinated as some radical Trump supporter that is only refusing to get the vaccine for political reasons? You don’t know everybody’s situation. Besides in the article you linked, it even states that the majority of conservatives want to be vaccinated as soon as possible.

I just hate to see something turn so hostile and political. You have @johnhugh openly wishing for financial harm on his fellow man in the hospital for covid. I don’t agree with that guys decision to not be vaccinated but that doesn’t have to make him or anyone else my enemy.
I don't like the word enemy either but in a sense, isn't that what they are? The vaccinated are having to pay a price for the decisions made by the unvaxxed. I'm sure there are people that are vaccine hesitant for other reasons but politics seems to be the most prevalent reason according to all indicators, including what I witness first-hand in my own circle. Every single Democratic friend or family member I know wanted to be first in line to get the vaccination but my Republican friends are the exact opposite - they are stubborn as hell about getting it and won't really say why, which is telling in itself. More from the article:

"But as summer camp and travel plans are disrupted—as local authorities reimpose mask mandates that could have been laid aside forever—many in the vaccinated majority must be thinking: Yes, I’m very sorry that so many of the unvaccinated are suffering the consequences of their bad decisions. I’m also very sorry that the responsible rest of us are suffering the consequences of their bad decisions."

" In the end, the unvaccinated person himself or herself has decided to inflict a preventable and unjustifiable harm upon family, friends, neighbors, community, country, and planet."
 
I don't like the word enemy either but in a sense, isn't that what they are? The vaccinated are having to pay a price for the decisions made by the unvaxxed. I'm sure there are people that are vaccine hesitant for other reasons but politics seems to be the most prevalent reason according to all indicators, including what I witness first-hand in my own circle. Every single Democratic friend or family member I know wanted to be first in line to get the vaccination but my Republican friends are the exact opposite - they are stubborn as hell about getting it and won't really say why, which is telling in itself. More from the article:

"But as summer camp and travel plans are disrupted—as local authorities reimpose mask mandates that could have been laid aside forever—many in the vaccinated majority must be thinking: Yes, I’m very sorry that so many of the unvaccinated are suffering the consequences of their bad decisions. I’m also very sorry that the responsible rest of us are suffering the consequences of their bad decisions."

" In the end, the unvaccinated person himself or herself has decided to inflict a preventable and unjustifiable harm upon family, friends, neighbors, community, country, and planet."
Help me understand the consequences those of us who are vaccinated are suffering because of the unvaccinated. You’re probably a lot more well read on the topic than I am
 
Help me understand the consequences those of us who are vaccinated are suffering because of the unvaccinated. You’re probably a lot more well read on the topic than I am
Many reasons including more mask mandates/recommendations, possibility of more lockdowns, spreading it to others, travel restrictions, more hospital costs, sickness and death, creating more hosts for variants to form that might completely escape the vaccine protections, etc...etc...
 
I can understand why the vax crowd would be incensed by that line of thinking. I personally think that line of thinking is ignorant and stupid.

But what good does it do to portray everyone who hasn’t been vaccinated as some radical Trump supporter that is only refusing to get the vaccine for political reasons? You don’t know everybody’s situation. Besides in the article you linked, it even states that the majority of conservatives want to be vaccinated as soon as possible.

I just hate to see something turn so hostile and political. You have @johnhugh openly wishing for financial harm on his fellow man in the hospital for covid. I don’t agree with that guys decision to not be vaccinated but that doesn’t have to make him or anyone else my enemy.
Not financial harm. Accountability for actions in the setting of a pandemic.
 
Many reasons including more mask mandates/recommendations, possibility of more lockdowns, spreading it to others, travel restrictions, more hospital costs, sickness and death, creating more hosts for variants to form that might completely escape the vaccine protections, etc...etc...
He asked what the consequences are to the vaccinated. Spreading it to others? Do you mean other people who are unvaccinated? Sickness and death? Again to the vaccinated? Variants? The vaccinated and unvaccinated alike both contribute to that. The vaccinated less so than the unvaccinated. Still it happens. Hospital costs? Maybe if they are uninsured but that doesn’t really present a negative outcome to the typical vaccinated person. Travel restrictions and mask mandates maybe. I am doubtful that is going to happen again but we can discuss it if and when it does. So really what it boils down to is you got nothing.
 
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He asked what the consequences are to the vaccinated. Spreading it to others? Do you mean other people who are unvaccinated? Sickness and death? Again to the vaccinated? Variants? The vaccinated and unvaccinated alike both contribute to that. The vaccinated less so than the unvaccinated. Still it happens. Hospital costs? Maybe if they are uninsured but that doesn’t really present a negative outcome to the typical vaccinated person. Travel restrictions and mask mandates maybe. I am doubtful that is going to happen again but we can discuss it if and when it does. So really what it boils down to is you got nothing.
Look, you've made it clear in this thread that you're a non-serious troll and I'm not here for an all-day debate. If your common sense can't tell you why it's bad for everybody then I'll leave you with these two consequences that you may care about. The Dow had it's largest drop this year due to concerns over the variant and football teams may be forfeiting contests. If money and sports don't move the needle for you then I don't know what to tell ya. But by all means, feel free to own me while I non-reply.
 
Look, you've made it clear in this thread that you're a non-serious troll and I'm not here for an all-day debate. If your common sense can't tell you why it's bad for everybody then I'll leave you with these two consequences that you may care about. The Dow had it's largest drop this year due to concerns over the variant and football teams may be forfeiting contests. If money and sports don't move the needle for you then I don't know what to tell ya. But by all means, feel free to own me while I non-reply.
I feel the same way about you. He asked you specifically about how it harms a typical vaccinated person. When disputed on the reasons you provided you resorted to name calling. If you can’t have an adult conversation without name calling because it doesn’t fit your narrative feel free to take your ball and go home. Or continue your trolling as you call it.
 
Not financial harm. Accountability for actions in the setting of a pandemic.
Call it what you want. But out of curiosity it if Deandre Hopkins gets the virus and has to be hospitalized would you hope that his insurance doesn’t cover it and the hospital charges double? His reasoning for opting out seems to be because the virus caused complications for someone close to him. I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same if I were in his shoes
 
Call it what you want. But out of curiosity it if Deandre Hopkins gets the virus and has to be hospitalized would you hope that his insurance doesn’t cover it and the hospital charges double? His reasoning for opting out seems to be because the virus caused complications for someone close to him. I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same if I were in his shoes
Sounds like a reason he should get the vaccine if the virus caused problems for someone close to him
 
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