Joe Walsh, Michael Steele, George Conway, Anthony Scaramucci on the growing political divide

[ctcseb]

This is making the rounds on the interwebs (Twitter, etc.) This is a 10-minute preview of a documentary to be released next year about how disinformation and social media have widened the divide and fueled partisanship. They had a number of conservatives express their thoughts and concerns, including Joe Walsh who said he was Trump before Trump.



I found the bit about "reflexive control" informative. It really puts in perspective how sites like Infowars, Gatewaypundit can be leveraged to perform disinformation at scale. A lot of times, I see people saying Fox and company lie simply because it's good for business, but this seems to point to a higher aspiration in terms of public control.

Any thoughts from people on both sides of the spectrum? I am particularly interested in the MAGA view because I think this is a chicken and egg problem. Is disinformation really the cause of our problems (where people are rational agents and disinformation perverts them), or is disinformation simply meeting a need (people want to be lied to because they are partisan to begin with, they simply want positive reinforcement)?

 

[dpic73]

Powerful and chilling. I too would like to see the MAGAs respond to this but I believe they'll be afraid to watch it. Too bad.

 

[TigerGrowls]

This is making the rounds on the interwebs (Twitter, etc.) This is a 10-minute preview of a documentary to be released next year about how disinformation and social media have widened the divide and fueled partisanship. They had a number of conservatives express their thoughts and concerns, including Joe Walsh who said he was Trump before Trump.

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I found the bit about "reflexive control" informative. It really puts in perspective how sites like Infowars, Gatewaypundit can be leveraged to perform disinformation at scale. A lot of times, I see people saying Fox and company lie simply because it's good for business, but this seems to point to a higher aspiration in terms of public control.

Any thoughts from people on both sides of the spectrum? I am particularly interested in the MAGA view because I think this is a chicken and egg problem. Is disinformation really the cause of our problems (where people are rational agents and disinformation perverts them), or is disinformation simply meeting a need (people want to be lied to because they are partisan to begin with, they simply want positive reinforcement)?

LOL!! I know you are joking. This is basically an infomercial from Trump haters trying to convince us they are right and we are wrong and should accept it. Please give me some examples of Trump being or pushing toward becoming an authoritarian leader here in the US. Popcorn in hand and waiting.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I am hoping that you guys will see reason and come to the conclusion that Trump is right, I and others are right and that you need to come onboard with our best ideas at this time for the sake of our nation.

 

[ctcseb]

I am hoping that you guys will see reason and come to the conclusion that Trump is right, I and others are right and that you need to come onboard with our best ideas at this time for the sake of our nation.

Growl, there’s a difference between policies and values. I could agree with some of Trump’s policies, like asking our NATO partners to step up and pay their fair share. I cannot and will never agree with his values such as dishonesty (thousands of proven lies), narcissism, and his disdain for democracy. The “stop the steal” lies and encouragement of the Jan 6 insurrection will forever be a stain in our history books.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Growl, there’s a difference between policies and values. I could agree with some of Trump’s policies, like asking our NATO partners to step up and pay their fair share. I cannot and will never agree with his values such as dishonesty (thousands of proven lies), narcissism, and his disdain for democracy. The “stop the steal” lies and encouragement of the Jan 6 insurrection will forever be a stain in our history books.

Please explain his disdain for democracy and his moves to put himself in as an authoritarian leader. Im still waiting. Everything else you described in just emotions. Related to the election, they were attempting to lawfully protest the election results that day in congress and the J6 riot that ensued short circuited that attempt and it never happened. So what side did the J6 riot help more?

 

[ctcseb]

Please explain his disdain for democracy and his moves to put himself in as an authoritarian leader. Im still waiting. Everything else you described in just emotions. Related to the election, they were attempting to lawfully protest the election results that day in congress and the J6 riot that ensued short circuited that attempt and it never happened. So what side did the J6 riot help more?

Growl, I have a better chance of getting hit by lightning or win the PowerBall than convincing you that Trump is dangerous for this country. You have bought in his narrative and are explaining away all of his actions. What you are asking for has been documented on this board and elsewhere many times. It didn't resonate with you then, it won't resonate now.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Growl, I have a better chance of getting hit by lightning or win the PowerBall than convincing you that Trump is dangerous for this country. You have bought in his narrative and are explaining away all of his actions. What you are asking for has been documented on this board and elsewhere many times. It didn't resonate with you then, it won't resonate now.

I am open to listen. Please give specific actions Trump took to become a dictator or to destroy the republic.