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Republicans are headed for a difficult mid term election.http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/karen-handel-i-dont-support-livable-wage
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she is done.
that is horrible.
no way she a christian either. jesus would pray for her.
Deciphering your uneducated rant basically you have no clue what a livable wage is, point taken.Livable Wage = Millennials playing xbax and binge Netflix anime all day
Human Merica homeostasis is to be lazy as MFing possible and talk shit on the Interdentz
Hahaha. No they aren't.
Republicans are headed for a difficult mid term election.
We will just have to agree to disagree. Both sides are full of clowns. Trump says dumb dumb things but the left seems to be trying to push moderates away. Letting the fringe left control the headlines is every bit as bad as anything Trump can do.unless they start disassociating themselves from trump, then yeah, it's gonna get pretty ugly for them come midterms.
Deciphering your uneducated rant basically you have no clue what a livable wage is, point taken.
Let's also consider Ossoff's response which was ennentially: if you work 40 hours a week you deserve to live comfortably.http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/karen-handel-i-dont-support-livable-wage
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Republicans are headed for a difficult mid term election.
The problem is that most Americans aren't smarter than that. People will blindly believe whatever propaganda they are fed.Can someone please explain the Dems strategy here? Bash Trump, offer free sh!t, and get support from MSM? Americans are smarter than that. They have no reasonable ideas.
unless they start disassociating themselves from trump, then yeah, it's gonna get pretty ugly for them come midterms.
The problem is that most Americans aren't smarter than that. People will blindly believe whatever propaganda they are fed.
Can someone please explain the Dems strategy here? Bash Trump, offer free sh!t, and get support from MSM? Americans are smarter than that. They have no reasonable ideas.
deciphering your elitist rant, your idea of a 'livable' wage is you and your ilk getting to decide how much of other people's earnings and time to confiscate, so you can use the power of the state to coerce them to give it un-earned to others of your choosing.
What have you achieved that gives you the arrogance to imagine that you could competently judge such things for others (all the while, applying none of those rules and hardships on yourself or your cronies) ?
Because it kills employment and many small businesses and suppresses the economy. The math does not make sense. Prices for many goods and services will skyrocket. A movie ticket will need to be $16 immediately for example to make it work. Does the 16 year old pimple-faced kid taking your movie ticket need to be paid an hourly wage high enough to fully support a family? That is what you are asking for.A livable wage is not "free shit". A livable wage is the concept that if you work a 40 hour work week, you should be able to feed your family. That is the American dream. If we are willing to revive an efficient energy sector (coal) to give miners their jobs back, why can't we pay people a living wage?
Can someone please explain the Dems strategy here? Bash Trump, offer free sh!t, and get support from MSM? Americans are smarter than that. They have no reasonable ideas.
@StSimonsIslandTiger - Spot on and you are right. Most Libs pushing the increase don't care and really never have cared about the Small business sector. They only want to control the Minions while stuffing their pockets full of cash.I believe the minimum wage should be linked to a cost of living index or such and automatically adjusted every year or two. It should not be a politicized issue in Congress every few years.
Increasing it to a livable wage will kill many small businesses and raise prices and make teenage and temporary employment very difficult.
deciphering your elitist rant, your idea of a 'livable' wage is you and your ilk getting to decide how much of other people's earnings and time to confiscate, so you can use the power of the state to coerce them to give it un-earned to others of your choosing.
What have you achieved that gives you the arrogance to imagine that you could competently judge such things for others (all the while, applying none of those rules and hardships on yourself or your cronies) ?
Some of you don't want people on welfare. You also don't want people that are working what you consider "menial" jobs to make a living wage because the market supposedly "dictates" that those jobs aren't worth that wage. You also don't support reduced cost community college-level education for people to improve their skillset to raise themselves out of poverty, so I am unsure how you expect people to gain skills to raise themselves out of poverty.
So do you support a permanent underclass, then? Or would you rather the underclass just kill themselves? Although if they did that, then who would serve you fries at the drive-thru?
Like it or not, the poor aren't just going away. And contrary to belief, most of them aren't just lazing around. The majority of them are working, which is what you say you want. It has to go beyond "well, they just need to get a better job then". At what number of people does it go beyond "personal responsibility"? Because yeah, some people can lift themselves up out of poverty with hard work and determination. But we are talking over 40 million Americans that live in poverty. Do you really expect that 40 million people can collectively decide that at once, that they are simultaneously going to improve their lot in life? Or is poverty just something that some people have to deal with because, tough shit?
This is a serious question, would be nice to get a serious answer besides "Trump y'all".
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Sure but by not putting the responsibility on the employer to give a livable wage you are basically ensuring that people working full time will be forced to rely on government assistance. Just look at Walmart and the racket they have. https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareo...-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#5f9ba6bb720bLet's also consider Ossoff's response which was ennentially: if you work 40 hours a week you deserve to live comfortably.
Well sorry, but dropping fries, bagging groceries or making lattes for 40 hours a week doesn't mean that you deserve anything other than a fair wage for the actual work done. This fantasy that you deserve anything because you do any sort of work is laughable.
Edit: he said "if someone works a 40 hour work week, they deserve the kind of standard of living that Americans expect." Please elaborate John. Headlining Handel saying "I don't support a livable wage" is a cheap talking point.
If you tie to CPI you would arrive at a minimum wage in the $12-18$ range for states, which would defeat the purpose if you want to keep it low. If you take that idea and create a "commodity basket" to chain MW increases/decreases to then you would get a flexible amount that would rise and fall with the cost of oil, food, healthcare, etc..She is absolutely correct but did a poor job of explaining why. A livable wage means raising the minimum wage substantially and having it disproportionately higher than ever before. The minimum wage was NEVER intended to support a family or even an individual fully. It was created for decent humane pay for unskilled and minimally skilled entry level jobs and temporary jobs. It was to allow teenagers and others get jobs that can they can quickly train for in these settings. Ideal for teenagers and part-time work. It was never intended for a person or family to rely on it completely for their living.
I believe the minimum wage should be linked to a cost of living index or such and automatically adjusted every year or two. It should not be a politicized issue in Congress every few years.
Increasing it to a livable wage will kill many small businesses and raise prices and make teenage and temporary employment very difficult.
There actually isn't any income difference in high school graduates and non-graduates anymore for young workers. Trade school, or a two year degree, is required before you actually realize income gains for educational attainment levels.Here is the problem with your stance. It is well know that you can decrease your chance of living in poverty by about 90%-95% by following a few simple rules. Graduate from high school, don't get pregnant before you graduate from high school, etc. Liberals never stress these few points that make a "HUGE" difference in the quality of life that you live. Libs are more interested in keeping people in permanent poverty so they can play their typical nanny state BS card.
right. that's how trump got elected.
Even with my very conservative thinking, I concede the MW needs to be adjusted regularly and even should be raised some now. I wish Congress would legislate automatic adjustments- say every 2 years. This keeps it at a reasonably fair rate for workers and makes teenage and seasonal employment budgets predictable for businesses.If you tie to CPI you would arrive at a minimum wage in the $12-18$ range for states, which would defeat the purpose if you want to keep it low. If you take that idea and create a "commodity basket" to chain MW increases/decreases to then you would get a flexible amount that would rise and fall with the cost of oil, food, healthcare, etc..
Two issues will still exist...1. The minimum wage would still go up substantially (20-30%) from where it is in most states. 2. In many instances when the economy is growing rapidly, we would actually be paying less to MW earners, which in turn will slow down that growth.
I agree with you that minimum wage does not need to feed a family. Minimum wage should only take care of one person. But $7.25 isn't gonna cover that when you include rent, car bills, health insurance, etc.Because it kills employment and many small businesses and suppresses the economy. The math does not make sense. Prices for many goods and services will skyrocket. A movie ticket will need to be $16 immediately for example to make it work. Does the 16 year old pimple-faced kid taking your movie ticket need to be paid an hourly wage high enough to fully support a family? That is what you are asking for.
Anyone willing to work and with an ounce of motivation will easily find a job that pays way above minimum wage. Easily. Minimum wage and livable wage should not be thought of as synonymous. They are different things.
Setting the mentally limited and truly disabled aside, if you can only get a minimum wage job and need to support your family, your thinking and philosophies took a bad wrong turn somewhere.
And if all or even 95% of able Americans are willing to actually work 40 hrs per week, this whole thread goes away and we become near Utopia and we could greatly reduce our taxes.
Where do you live where you can find $350 apartments and paying less than $60 a month for power? Your scenario is also assuming you aren't making car payments and don't have health or life insurance. Also, that's $130 left in the account. For the month. With nothing being saved or invested.For Christ sake 7.25 is a liveable wage.
7.25*22*8=1276 / month... And at that level you basically pay no income tax and very little state or ss so call it 1100 after taxes.
In any county in South Carolina you can find a 2 bedroom apartment for 350$/month .
Utilities 55 for power 40 for water 35 for cell phone
Cars aren't a need but let's say 90/ month for gas. 100 for insurance. 300/ month for groceries
Still 130 left in the account.
Democrats are greedy af. This would be middle to upper middle in 160 of 210 counties in the world. They see that other people have worked their asses off and have more than them, and decide that they should have it too. Fvck John Ossoff.
wouldnt matter much in Charleston County because if they found an apartment that cheap they would be dead from gunshot fire in less than a monthFor Christ sake 7.25 is a liveable wage.
7.25*22*8=1276 / month... And at that level you basically pay no income tax and very little state or ss so call it 1100 after taxes.
In any county in South Carolina you can find a 2 bedroom apartment for 350$/month .
Utilities 55 for power 40 for water 35 for cell phone
Cars aren't a need but let's say 90/ month for gas. 100 for insurance. 300/ month for groceries
Still 130 left in the account.
Democrats are greedy af. This would be middle to upper middle in 160 of 210 counties in the world. They see that other people have worked their asses off and have more than them, and decide that they should have it too. Fvck John Ossoff.
Of course no health or life insurance those aren't pieces of this equation, though you could get life for what 7/month? And no car payment, you shouldn't be borrowing money for a car if this is your situation. I have an employee that lives in Clemson for 500/ month including water. I'm not going to do the research but I'm nearly sure that trailers are no where near as expensive as two bedrooms in Clemson.Where do you live where you can find $350 apartments and paying less than $60 a month for power? Your scenario is also assuming you aren't making car payments and don't have health or life insurance. Also, that's $130 left in the account. For the month. With nothing being saved or invested.