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The sad part is, whether you agree or disagree with the intended message, this picture will get tweeted and retweeted and shared and liked and everyone that did so is going to feel good about driving 'awareness.'
Meanwhile, the murder rate in Chicago is only going up driving up the numbers for the national average which, understandably or not, influences people (including cops) to feel like their environment is less safe...
Interesting problem we have here.
Meanwhile, the murder rate in Chicago is only going up driving up the numbers for the national average which, understandably or not, influences people (including cops) to feel like their environment is less safe...
Interesting problem we have here.
My Goodness. Was she shot by a cop?
Can't exactly tell, but she looks white, so I would have thought she would have been safe.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention OP. Hope she will be ok.
Can't exactly tell, but she looks white, so I would have thought she would have been safe.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention OP. Hope she will be ok.
Bringing us together with more divisiveness.
yea, its this image that is creating divisiveness in this country this morning. Totally not the two separate shootings of unarmed black men by police yesterday/monday, one of whom was trying to get help with his stalled car, the other of whom was reading a book. But its probably that picture right?
Would you care to explain what gang members murdering each other in Chicago have to do with an unarmed man whose car had just broken down in Tulsa, OK being shot and killed by the police?
The murder rate in Chicago does not relate at all to what's going on. I hate that people think they can continually reference black on black crime when discussing unrelated issues.
It's actually people on both sides who immediately use every event to make a political point. No one worries about the facts of a case anymore. It's whoever can use an event to direct their narrative regardless of what facts regarding the case are actually known
Do you think the murder rate in Chicago and the statistics across the board regarding black people in crime turns officers into complete dumb asses in the moment? Makes them forget or ignore all relevant training, guidelines and procedures? As they stare at an unarmed person that they have outnumbered, they lose all competence and begin to shoot.
Oh by the way, Tulsa is a long way from Chicago's ills and I'm guessing, just guessing Tulsa isn't quite as dangerous. Should that be a factor? Shouldn't my encounter with an officer be influenced by location? Meaning getting pulled over by an officer in Clemson/Tulsa is much safer than getting pulled over in Chicago.
You can keep pointing to stats all you want but no amount of violence in any white or black community should supersede common sense and training.
It's sad that some are still reaching and can't just say damn we have a problem. This isn't good for any of us. Let's fix these broken communities and let's make our officers better whether it's thru training, thought/bias, relationships, etc. Anyone know the percentage of black folks that are criminals? Black males? White males? Just wanting to know the chances of an officer being in danger with random black person.
Both sides of the equation feel they have the right answer, meanwhile the truth probably lies in the middle.
I think you might want to get your news source somewhere other than facebook.
Remember, Michael Brown was running away with his hands up.
For the most part, they are not saying cops are justified because blacks kills blacks in Chicago.
They are referring to things like "black lives matter, and "stop killing us" and racist finger pointing, when actually 90% of black deaths are at the hands of other blacks (and that is a statistical fact to which the FBI, Pew and the CDC all reconcile to). the point is, yes some of these cops shootings are wrong (really wrong), but why isn't the black community and politicians focusing on every day deaths in Chicago, Memphis, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc. And the answer is because it doesn't fit the narrative. It is always much easier to blame someone else. Things like this give people a reason to riot, which apparently is fun.
And don't take any of that the wrong way, because I certainly don't mean it that way, my wording may not be the best.
This so often is the truth. There absolutely are some horrific events involving bad / poorly trained officers. This is true. There have also been terrible responses to these events. Both create a bigger problem and not a smaller one.
This. No book was found. A gun was. Witnesses heard the cops yelling for him to drop it. He wouldn't
Though I normally agree with that thought process, I don't in this instance. We have numerous examples now where men are getting shot by cops. Some may be at fault, some may not be at fault. That can be debated. That's life. But what is getting old, is the fact that when these issues happen, we have a certain segment who continually tries to justify it by citing stats on black on black crime. That has ZERO to do with the issue at hand.
Why did one cop in Tulsa use a taser and the other one shoot? Very inconsistent practices used on an unarmed man.
As far as the Charlotte incident, there are conflicting reports. You have one side saying a gun was retrieved while the other is saying he had a book. There is no video evidence to support, so we frankly don't know what happened.
Either way, crime in West and South Chicago has jackshvt to do with either.
The point is it's hypocritical at worst / agenda driven at best to show all this outrage for one incident and not the other. Do black lives only matter when the life is taken by a police officer?
The cop was black. Multiple cameras, other cops, multiple civilian witnesses confirm a gun in his hand. Not a book.
This is another common rebut. Why isn't the black community focusing on everyday deaths in Chicago? But they are. Every single day. The reason you somehow believe that is because the MEDIA has no interest in covering that. The moment a black person is killed by a cop the media rallies all their resources to get that story. The community action to fight these things aren't covered. Rallies, fundraising, or anything positive, It doesn't fit the MEDIA narrative.
I DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS WHY POLITICIANS ARE INACTIVE DO I?
Not directly related at all. Indirectly though...
The point was that, we are consuming news in headlines or 140 characters or less these days. The Brennan Center for Justice just released a study that says the national murder rate is rising. I provided color saying that it is due in large to the over-average rise in Chicago. However, people will be reading and internalizing the headline that the country's murder rate is going up. Which will in turn make them feel less safe, including the portion of the population that serve as police. Which will in turn lead to more inherited sub conscious (or conscious) bias due to their perception of the problem/attributors. Which will in turn lead to more misuse of force and potentially deadly altercations with police and those people fitting their characterization of individuals/people they are biased against serving through the appropriate means.
Is it right? No, but that is how our brains work.
True...and that is why we need to wait for the facts to come out. Everyone was wrong about Michael Brown because they jumped the gun.
The Tulsa one looks bad...and there doesn't look like much in the cops favor. But in Charlotte, the cops do have a recovered gun and witnesses corroborating the cops. The only ones in the news backing the victim are his family members.
Either way, I'll wait for the facts to come out.
This is actually a good point and one I have not thought of. It's absolutely true that the media covers these incidents with baited breath.
That being said, I only see major interstates being shut down for the police shootings. I only see retaliation for the police shootings. Some of that could be that the media doesn't show it, but I believe the anger towards police from the black community is much greater than the anger at those young black males who kill other black males. Would you agree with that statement?
What's going on is awful. But if you think this has nothing to do with why you need to get a clue! These are intertwined issues.
I got you. Not taken the wrong way at all.
I still struggle to see how the fact that 90% of black deaths coming at the hands of another black person should be even brought up when a police officer shoots someone.
If I tell you how most serial killers and pedophiles are white male when you tell me that you are upset that an unarmed white man got shot by a cop, how does help the discussion?
Yes, I agree 100% that more attention needs to be placed on black on black crime by everyone. I just don't know why intelligent people continue to say that when instances like Chicago and Tulsa occur. I also agree that some shootings have been justified and some have not.
I appreciate the perspective.
We agree on what's occurring in our city. I will wait for the facts in this one before passing judgement. I hate that people are violently protesting. I think it's more built up anger bc of everything that's gone on, but that does not make it right.
Absolutely not. I think all lives matter regardless of the issue. I just don't understand why people being upset over one very specific issue is hypocritical. I also don't understand why so many seem to take offense to the fact that people are upset when they keep seeing the same issue occurring and not seeing justice.
Yes. Absolutely. There are tons of studies that have been published and are ongoing about this very issue.
Please don't confuse that statement as an attempt to justify police actions. I am actively acknowledging that there is a problem here with Blue on Black interactions. I am just participating in the conversation.
First I must say whites are killing whites at an alarming rate as well. Black on black may be higher but both alarming.
As a product of the ghetto, black folks have always hated the young black males you are speaking of. I grew up in it and a sad reality that most folks outside those communities will never understand is that MOST of this crime is supported by law enforcement. The criminals are enabled by law enforcement. Law enforcement in many cases are the actual bosses in many of those communities so the citizens can't win. Crime is managed by the very folks hired to stop it. I know that is unbelievable to most. Sad truth.
I didn't grow up in small town America so I can't speak on that but the major cities are more corrupt than you can imagine. So to answer your question the average citizen, I learned this as a child, knows the police are complicit in this mess, and therefore dislike both. The difference is the officers have a sworn responsibility to do something about it. Meanwhile the good cops are stuck in the middle as much as the good citizens. By the way, the good citizens even to this day when I go home outnumber the bad ones but they aren't armed and they are trying to make it day to day. Can't contend with the violence those evil boys are willing to do. They try with the rallies, awareness, church functions, but they are not nearly as supported by law enforcement, politicians, etc. They benefit from this mess at the top.
Have you ever once considered that the majority of the crimes referenced involving black males occurred as a result of black on black crime? Further one of the incidents you referred to involved a black cop. I'm sure this is the result of the oppressed discriminatory environment the white majority forced the underprivileged blacks to live in, but at a minimum, please address that as the concern and not the white rage you seem to think is rampant.
In that case a black man should be killed immediately at every interaction with an officer just based on Chicago alone.
Far too many officers are doing it the right way for me to just be satisfied with that nonsense. As horrible as these killings are, and there are way too many, the fact is it's still a gross minority of officers when you take into account the total number of interactions and the number of deaths we see. Can't believe an educated person would allow that data to influence your opinion. That would assume there was a much higher rate of incidents of death for that to even be considered a factor smh.
I can understand the frustration, but the violent riots are not the answer (and I know you agree with this). And I am aware, not all are resorting to violence...it is the young ones who have no job, no education and nothing to lose. The news said there were some protesters trying to get them to stop.
They also need to pick their battles better. Yes, be mad about Tulsa, North Charleston, Tamir Rice, etc....but get off of ones like Michael Brown where he was the aggressor and Trayvon where he was cleared by a jury and the Justice Department.
And while statistics certainly favor blacks, whites are victims as well. This is not a black/white thing...it is a cop thing. Plain and simple. It is just whenever a white person is shot, it doesn't fit the narrative that is being played now. Go read the story of John Livingston in Harnett County. That one is worse than most of the black shootings, but didnt make the news because it didn't fit the narrative.
You are right, the media only pushes that they want to....but were no riots in Chicago when Dwyane Wade's cousin was killed, or when children are caught in a cross fire. Obama never focuses on it. No one does.
Let's say what it is...
I'm tired of getting bombarded with this type shit in my face when a cop kills a black person. Like I did it or approved of it.
There are some shitty cops. There are some shitty black people. There are shitty white people. The actions of one of those groups don't condemn the rest.
The guy in Tulsa was murdered. It was a tragedy. The guy in Charlotte got what he asked for. If you have a gun and the cops tell you to put it down, for the love of God, put it down. Yet, people like the OP, who are determined to throw this issue in everybody's face, lumps them together.
If I refer to blacks as "you people" or "they", and then make a desparaging remark, some black people would rightfully be pissed that I lumped them all together. But it is getting done to cops and to whites daily. I read someone post on my FB feed yesterday "A man kneels, They riot... A man gets shot... They quiet." Give. Me. A. God. Damn. Break.
I'm not a bad person or a racist, but since I'm white, I apparently have no issue with an innocent black being killed. Or at least that is what I keep reading. Not all cops are out killing blacks or even oppressing them. But that's not the story that's being spun. And repeated posts like the OP are just fueling the fire iyam.
I hate everything about this.
Rant over and sorry if I offended sensibilities here.
I'm tired of getting bombarded with this type shit in my face when a cop kills a black person. Like I did it or approved of it.
There are some shitty cops. There are some shitty black people. There are shitty white people. The actions of one of those groups don't condemn the rest.
The guy in Tulsa was murdered. It was a tragedy. The guy in Charlotte got what he asked for. If you have a gun and the cops tell you to put it down, for the love of God, put it down. Yet, people like the OP, who are determined to throw this issue in everybody's face, lumps them together.
If I refer to blacks as "you people" or "they", and then make a desparaging remark, some black people would rightfully be pissed that I lumped them all together. But it is getting done to cops and to whites daily. I read someone post on my FB feed yesterday "A man kneels, They riot... A man gets shot... They quiet." Give. Me. A. God. Damn. Break.
I'm not a bad person or a racist, but since I'm white, I apparently have no issue with an innocent black being killed. Or at least that is what I keep reading. Not all cops are out killing blacks or even oppressing them. But that's not the story that's being spun. And repeated posts like the OP are just fueling the fire iyam.
I hate everything about this.
Rant over and sorry if I offended sensibilities here.
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