who question the results of the 2020 election are extremist and anti-American? Also does that go for any election or just 2020?
Leftist do you think that people
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Good god man. I feel like you, @jakefest and @TigerGrowls are all competing to see who can start the most shitposts on here.
I feel that it makes you completely non-credible to believe the election was stolen despite there being no supporting evidence. Simply to believe cheating on that scale could even happen here is mind boggling but to believe it simply because a pathological liar tells you so is even more disturbing. So yes, that makes you an extremist.
I notice when you don't have anything intelligent to say, you tag a bunch of people in a post to deflect attention away from your lack of well thought out logic or input.
Do better
I anticipated your ridiculous attempt at whataboutisms. You know very well these aren't the same as what Trump did in 2020. Hillary didn't say the votes were fraudulent - she meant they were improperly influenced by Russian social media tampering, the DNC email hack and Comey re-opening her email investigation right before the election. I don't know a single Democrat that believes the votes weren't real in 2016.
As for Abrams, Kemp was Secretary of State during that election and she was referring to the things he did to improperly stack the deck before the votes were cast, like wrongly removing hundreds of thousands of voters from the voter rolls. I don't know a single Democrat that believes the votes weren't real there either.
GOP candidate improperly purged 340,000 from Georgia voter rolls, investigation claims
New analysis is latest voting rights controversy in race pitting secretary of state Brian Kemp against Democrat Stacey Abrams
Growls = Larry Legend
you dont fvck with that guys shitposting ability in a few months posting over here.
and I have noticed that when you do not have anything intelligent to say, you just say stuff anyway.
This is you and Dpic denying all of the examples on the left of folks undermining election results ......
The comparison is fcking ridiculous.
Hillary conceded the election to trump.
Hillary did not lobby Joe Biden to not certify the election.
Hillary did not organize and host "stop the steal" rallies, especially one while the vote was being certified.
Hillary did not knowingly direct armed protesters to the capitol.
Hillary did not recruit alternate electors in swing states.
Should I go on?
Yes you should go on but you should start by focusing on who the post was about.......I didn't say anything about Hillary. This was about KJP and the very public receipts of her questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election and telling America that Stacey Abrams had the election stolen from her. That seems like undermining the integrity of the electoral process to me.
You'll note how quickly she jumps straight to "those aren't the same things" which I notice you're also doing. Is she a domestic terrorist or not? Are you?
Honestly, did anyone care what the fck she said back then? Did anyone know who she was? Was she holding stop the steal rallies? Did she run for public office and claim that if she lost, it was rigged?
The Kemp-Abrams election was a completely unique situation. You had one of the candidates in charge of the election. He was purging African American voters and closing voting locations in AA neighborhoods faster than you can spike up your hair jersey shore style.
Give zero fuks about your whataboutism. All you do when you say that is use it as as crutch to shield yourself from being called out on your hypocrisy. Its what some low IQ clowns like you hide behind so you dont have to be responsible for the things you said and did in the past. Your side even said Russia hacked the machines and changed votes so dont give me that shit not interested. If you Jarjars havent noticed people on the other side and independents are getting tired of the double standards and wont accept it any longer. Both sides used to party and hangout debate with no issues really. But since those on your side started the identity politics shit and started calling anybody that didnt agree with you, in an effort to bully them into agreeing with you, a racist things have started going in a bad direction for the country. The others have had enough of your bullshit identity politics and wokeness...I anticipated your ridiculous attempt at whataboutisms. You know very well these aren't the same as what Trump did in 2020. Hillary didn't say the votes were fraudulent - she meant they were improperly influenced by Russian social media tampering, the DNC email hack and Comey re-opening her email investigation right before the election. I don't know a single Democrat that believes the votes weren't real in 2016.
As for Abrams, Kemp was Secretary of State during that election and she was referring to the things he did to improperly stack the deck before the votes were cast, like wrongly removing hundreds of thousands of voters from the voter rolls. I don't know a single Democrat that believes the votes weren't real there either.
GOP candidate improperly purged 340,000 from Georgia voter rolls, investigation claims
New analysis is latest voting rights controversy in race pitting secretary of state Brian Kemp against Democrat Stacey Abramswww.theguardian.com
Yes read the investigation by the reporter. Was there an official investigation? If so what did it discover? I will say if true then he should be punished. Thats the difference between your side and my side. But the way its going we may become more like you...I anticipated your ridiculous attempt at whataboutisms. You know very well these aren't the same as what Trump did in 2020. Hillary didn't say the votes were fraudulent - she meant they were improperly influenced by Russian social media tampering, the DNC email hack and Comey re-opening her email investigation right before the election. I don't know a single Democrat that believes the votes weren't real in 2016.
As for Abrams, Kemp was Secretary of State during that election and she was referring to the things he did to improperly stack the deck before the votes were cast, like wrongly removing hundreds of thousands of voters from the voter rolls. I don't know a single Democrat that believes the votes weren't real there either.
GOP candidate improperly purged 340,000 from Georgia voter rolls, investigation claims
New analysis is latest voting rights controversy in race pitting secretary of state Brian Kemp against Democrat Stacey Abrams
An elephant is the same thing as an ant and you're not about to let us forget that!
What kinda drivel is this ya dingleberry? Your original question was if we thought you were an extremist for believing the 2020 results are questionable. I believe you are.
Your response was but Hillary, but Stacey Abrams, which were completely different issues, which I explained.
Again for those in the back. Democrats DONT BELIEVE the actual votes in those elections were fraudulent and didn't try to overturn democracy in protest. They had reason to believe in both cases that pre-election meddling had a lot to do with their losses.
Your dumbass can't see the difference because of your desperation to make your corrupt MAGAidiocy the same thing. ITS NOT, but YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
I thought MAGAs did their own research? A judge ruled that Kemp illegally purged the voter rolls of 34,000 mostly AA voters. How should he be punished now that his term is almost finished?
How are you becoming more like my side? You don't want TFG to be punished at all and Democrats don't have anything to be punished for. Stupid analogy
So you're an election denier? You ok with Biden calling you a domestic terrorist?
Seriously though, why is it ok for one party to deny election results but not the other? Why are you so biased?
Yes, an entirely fabricated collusion and impeachment attempt on false pretenses is the definition of an ant..........
Trump isn't innocent but you liberal nut jobs need to admit you had a huge hand in the degradation of faith in elections.
Fabricated impeachment attempt(?) - holy shit man. Now you're pulling in otherisms to make a point in a thread about election denying? You're like arguing with Helen Keller on the phone. No matter how much proof/evidence you're given to show how these things aren't the same, you don't hear it and keep repeating the same old shit over and over again. You truly might be the dumbest smart person on the board.
One can only lead a semi-fascist MAGA deplorable to the truth but you can't make them think.
Did liberals question the integrity of the election in 2016 or not? How many dems on record openly questioned it? Which means they also questioned it locally in engagement with their constituents, not just on the national TV stage. Despite your tasteless insult to handicapped people with some sort of insinuation that I'm one of them, it doesn't hide that dems contributed to the waning faith in elections.
When Zuckerberg outs the FBI over interference and pressure of censorship specific to an election when not under subpoena or pressure from the government, then it means you should start to broadly wonder what the govt might be capable of. I mean that from a non-partisan perspective as it may be republicans that use it to their advantage in the future. That alone gives me room to pause and ask some questions around the validity of Trump's guilt and if the first impeachment was warranted. Also, fast forward to Biden's term and it seems like it would be awfully difficult to charge Trump with a crime when the sitting president is likely guilty of crimes judging by the contents on the laptop and even potentially in his daughters diary, now proven to be her diary and information/contents legit.
The Nation will have to start taking a much harder line on what it allows elected officials to get away with if it wants the majority to support the decision to apply the law.
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You know what else is anti-American? Using a position of privilege to leak private tax and donation information to harm another party or movement. Strangely though, you didn't see or hear much about this one.
Nikki Haley accuses NY AG Letitia James of leaking donor list, breaking law
“We look at the last page from what Politico provided and it has the New York state attorney general’s office stamp on it. So that office leaked it to the press,” Haley told Fox News.
nypost.com
And the audit still proved that Joe Biden won. You can't make this shit up.
FAKE NEWS!! The comprehensive audit results proved fraud and proved that the results should not of been certified.
I hate to break it to you Jarjar but people on all sides break laws. Biden called for violence against his political opponents. He said way worst last week than what Trump ever said and you tried Trump for another impeachment for it. There is many videos of dems calling for violence against republicans. Many acts have been carried out including killings and shootings on a mass scale. You guys cheer that on....
no but she has body count higher than rambo and her people have prevented the release of the Epstein list because her boy Bill is on there
You and a overflowing toilet have a lot in common. You are both full of crap. So I assume you feel Hillary and Jimmy Carter and the WH Press Secretary are all extremist too? Why? With no evidence that claims the 2016 election was invalid. How about the dem members of Congress who objected to the Electoral College vote in 2017? How about the dems members of Congress who objected to the Electoral College vote in 2001? How about the dems who wasted time and taxpayer money trying to remove a President from office based on a falsified dossier from the Hillary campaign leadership?
That's extremism slick.
You are as non-credible as they come. I don’t know what your problem is, but I’m guessing it’s hard to pronounce.
Speaking of, this post is the equivalent of regurgitating a shit sandwich.
Do you know how many times you MAGAs have used these same lame comparisons to make you feel better about your corrupt, melted circus peanut? You have to intentionally try to be stupid not to understand the difference. And try hard you do. What a bozo.
I think that's a fair question. I'm an Independent/Moderate. But given the politics on this board that surely makes me more left than most. So I'll throw in my 2 cents.
When your guy (Donald Trump in this case) claims election fraud and also claims that there's a TON of evidence to support that claim. I think it's OK to question what's going on. There's nothing wrong with that.
BUT the President of the US is accusing a whole bunch of people across the country of committing a felony. And not only committing a crime, but subverting the democratic process that we stand for. When accusing people of a crime, the burden of proof is on the accuser. He needs evidence of that. And I'm not talking about extra ballot boxes for turning in mail in ballots in the middle of a pandemic. He needs to show that ballot boxes were stuffed. He needs to show the code that voting machines had that made them count ballots wrongly. He needs to show that election officials intentionally subverted the election system. And he needs to do that IN COURT, not in a press conference.
So I think it's reasonable for a Republican to be doubtful at first. But when case after case is thrown out of court and the President's lawyers continue to over promise evidence and under deliver that evidence in court, some doubt about the President's position needs to start creeping in.
When the President's hand picked guy for cyber security (picked especially to monitor this election) says there's no fraud, that should mean something. When the President's hand picked AG of the US (who has steadfastly supported Trump for years) says there's no evidence of fraud, that should mean something. When life long conservative Republicans (see Ga) that campaigned for and supported Trump for his entire term say that Trump lost the state, that should mean something. When multiple recounts are done in states that Trump is saying he should have won (some of them by Republican folks... see Az) come back and say the vote was legit, that should mean something. When Republican state legislatures certify the election in that State (for Biden), that should mean something.
When the above starts happening and the President's response isn't to show evidence in court of these folks being corrupt (you know, money being paid out... blackmail... that sort of thing), but instead simply calls them names (Deep State, Enemies of the People, RINOS, etc). Republicans should start smelling something... and that something is bullshit. And the more time that passes without damning evidence being presented in court, the stronger that smell should become.
At this point, it's been two years. Two years man. If there was convincing evidence of this, I think it's reasonable to assume we'd have seen it in court. And given Trump's history of saying things to make himself look better regardless of the truth, I think a reasonable person has to say at some point that Biden won.
I get that Republicans WANTED Trump to win. Just like the Dems WANTED Hillary to win in 2016. But Trump didn't win, just like Hillary didn't win. And the voices that said Trump cheated in 2016 (with no evidence of that) were full of crap. And the voices that continue to say that Biden cheated in 2020 (with no evidence of that) are full of crap.
It's easier for me to say this(being an independent), but it's no less true because of that. The same standards and laws should apply to both sides of the aisle. If you switch sides on the same issue based on your politics, you are part of the problem.
One of the MAJOR things that make this country work is the peaceful transfer of power between parties. The loser concedes and tips his hat to the winner (and possibly vows to come back and kick his rival's ass in the next election... nothing wrong with that) . That doesn't happen is a large part of the world... the loser claims cheating, takes his followers and goes out, and starts an insurgency. And that's kind of what happened here... where supporters of Trump attacked the Capitol building while congress was in session. That should be really alarming to all Americans. If you are defending this sort of thing, then yep, you are too extreme and fundamentally anti-American.
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I was on record from the 1st post on this subject that I never thought he was a sex trafficer. That was total bullshit. I think he's a 40 something year old single man (at the time). That had a 17 year old girl friend that he was taking with him on the campaign trail so he could party harder and bang her more often. It's as simple as that. While it is pretty scummy, unless there's some sort of age of consent thing going on, no crime here.
