More on Covid and education

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

Students' math, reading scores during COVID-19 pandemic saw steepest decline in decades: Education Department | Fox News

Department of Education reveals that average math scores for nine-year-old students dropped by 7 points

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Keeping kids out of classrooms had negative consequences? Who would have imagined. All to placate the paranoid and teachers’ unions

 

[yoshi121374]

Students' math, reading scores during COVID-19 pandemic saw steepest decline in decades: Education Department | Fox News

Department of Education reveals that average math scores for nine-year-old students dropped by 7 points

www.foxnews.com

Keeping kids out of classrooms had negative consequences? Who would have imagined. All to placate the paranoid and teachers’ unions

That's a little harsh towards teachers. Let's not paint with quite so broad a brush. My wife is a teacher and her school had face to face classes for all of 2021.

I can understand teachers being concerned for their safety prior to vaccines. They are very close to kids and kids aren't exactly the most sanitary of people.

I don't know any teachers personally who don't realize that there have been profound challenges that came along with a global pandemic. The good thing is that kids are pretty damn good at adapting and catching up.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

That's a little harsh towards teachers. Let's not paint with quite so broad a brush. My wife is a teacher and her school had face to face classes for all of 2021.

I can understand teachers being concerned for their safety prior to vaccines. They are very close to kids and kids aren't exactly the most sanitary of people.

I don't know any teachers personally who don't realize that there have been profound challenges that came along with a global pandemic. The good thing is that kids are pretty damn good at adapting and catching up.

It would appear as though kids aren’t all that great at adapting. When it came down to figuring out what should have been closed, why was education the target? I don’t think there was ever a legitimate argument that going into a school was going to make someone less safe than going about their business in public.

 

[yoshi121374]

It would appear as though kids aren’t all that great at adapting. When it came down to figuring out what should have been closed, why was education the target? I don’t think there was ever a legitimate argument that going into a school was going to make someone less safe than going about their business in public.

I believe it was the fact that they are in very close proximity and it's very difficult to distance in that setting. I also know most schools only did it for 2020 and then offered face to face or online for parents.

Really not a lot different than most businesses did.

 

[Jjh7]

Good lord…we were already doing horrendous. Not only are our kids somehow getting dumber, theyre picking up speed. Teachers unions should have to answer for this - along with being completely restructured…or ideally just disbanded altogether

 

[other1]

Good lord…we were already doing horrendous. Not only are our kids somehow getting dumber, theyre picking up speed. Teachers unions should have to answer for this - along with being completely restructured…or ideally just disbanded altogether

So it's all on the teachers??? What about the kids and their parents??? You ain't going to learn what you don't want to know.

 

[Jjh7]

So it's all on the teachers??? What about the kids and their parents??? You ain't going to learn what you don't want to know.

No i said teachers unions, blame falls on parents, teachers, and teachers unions ultimately. I place largest share on the unions though as theyre in many, many cases black holes that siphon govt funding into their own pockets and those of friends and family. They couldnt care less how schools in their district perform in almost all cases. They also operate with no oversight so nothing to answer for. When parents spoke up they went to doj

 

[yoshi121374]

No i said teachers unions, blame falls on parents, teachers, and teachers unions ultimately. I place largest share on the unions though as theyre in many, many cases black holes that siphon govt funding into their own pockets and those of friends and family. They couldnt care less how schools in their district perform in almost all cases. They also operate with no oversight so nothing to answer for. When parents spoke up they went to doj

This is pretty wrong and really ignorant. Also, we see similar results in South Carolina and we don't have a teachers Union here. Who do we blame now?

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Students' math, reading scores during COVID-19 pandemic saw steepest decline in decades: Education Department | Fox News

Department of Education reveals that average math scores for nine-year-old students dropped by 7 points

www.foxnews.com

Keeping kids out of classrooms had negative consequences? Who would have imagined. All to placate the paranoid and teachers’ unions

And mail in ballots.

 

[other1]

No i said teachers unions, blame falls on parents, teachers, and teachers unions ultimately. I place largest share on the unions though as theyre in many, many cases black holes that siphon govt funding into their own pockets and those of friends and family. They couldnt care less how schools in their district perform in almost all cases. They also operate with no oversight so nothing to answer for. When parents spoke up they went to doj

It's sort of a tough profession to be in right now what with all the bad publicity concerning mass shootings at schools and the fact there are a lot of teachers who want nothing to do with that. Also, you have these clown politicians who want to arm the teachers and there are those teachers who absolutely refuse. My daughter is a teacher in SC and she said if she was required to become armed and dangerous she would quit.

 

[Jjh7]

This is pretty wrong and really ignorant. Also, we see similar results in South Carolina and we don't have a teachers Union here. Who do we blame now?

In a significant amount of the worst performing areas its very true. Im not going to pick apart the country by state. Bottom line is the major issue this country has is an accountability problem, and it exists everywhere. No one is blameless, and success takes work. There isnt a shortcut to fixing education, the economy, or any of our other issues. Everyone needs to hear that. Everyone needs to be held to account. When it comes to education that holds especially true at the school and union levels. That holds for parents, and it holds for students too. A lot of people need to be allowed to fail to appreciate how good they had it. Let them. Better than handing diplomas to illiterates

 

[yoshi121374]

In a significant amount of the worst performing areas its very true. Im not going to pick apart the country by state. Bottom line is the major issue this country has is an accountability problem, and it exists everywhere. No one is blameless, and success takes work. There isnt a shortcut to fixing education, the economy, or any of our other issues. Everyone needs to hear that. Everyone needs to be held to account. When it comes to education that holds especially true at the school and union levels. That holds for parents, and it holds for students too. A lot of people need to be allowed to fail to appreciate how good they had it. Let them. Better than handing diplomas to illiterates

I agree with most of this, but the biggest blame rests with parents, most of whom are my peers. My generation just sucks as parents. They excuse their kids and blame everyone else.

 

[97ClemsonMac]

Students' math, reading scores during COVID-19 pandemic saw steepest decline in decades: Education Department | Fox News

Department of Education reveals that average math scores for nine-year-old students dropped by 7 points

www.foxnews.com

Keeping kids out of classrooms had negative consequences? Who would have imagined. All to placate the paranoid and teachers’ unions

I will say I was in the middle of graduate school when COVID hit, and it impacted me dramatically socially and I 100% did not get the education I deserved and I’m an adult. Now replace me and put in a 5 year old, I can not imagine the impact.

In hindsight I guess the best option would be to have the teachers that are comfortable coming in do so and the rest not, and split the kids amongst them based on parent pref. This still even has big holes in it though. The psychological effects will be tremendous for those children I believe but I pray I am wrong

 

[Jjh7]

I agree with most of this, but the biggest blame rests with parents, most of whom are my peers. My generation just sucks as parents. They excuse their kids and blame everyone else.

Yea i see it boiling down to two types of sht parents. Theres the financially comfortable to wealthy who spoil their kids and take care of all their problems for them. Eventually they hit the real world and suck at it.

The other type is unfortunate and i wish more was done, not financially but as humans. The economically impoverished where parents, often parent, for a variety of reasons are not present enough to provide the structure and discipline kids need. Especially when its in places where theres a lot of opportunities to go down the wrong path.

Totally agree with you on parents, just sickening to see the way unions in many cities are handed insane funding and use it to stuff their pockets while their schools perform horrifically. Think i posted the chicago numbers at some point but they were abysmal. Like 20+ schools where 80+ of high schoolers were illiterate. And they could care less. Its on the parents to do better for sure but that system and people running it are evil.