Take your fing attitude and stick it. I know that. Biden shouldnt be pulling a 100% of mail in vote and thats whats being reported in some drops.
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Take your fing attitude and stick it. I know that. Biden shouldnt be pulling a 100% of mail in vote and thats whats being reported in some drops.
Once again...Im raising the middle finger to you. Im fine with a discussion, but act like a smart ass and I can too.
Vote counting could be and fake ballots could be fishy. If you do not think cheating is going on then fine, but Im not satisfied its not happening. I am though going to just sit and watch it play out. Biden does not have it locked up at this time.
I fully expect Trump to explore every option and I support it.
I'll just respond to this with one question. Can you ever recall, in your lifetime, an instance where a network called a state right when polls closed, or shortly thereafter, and then later had to pull off of that projection?
I'm honestly not trying to be an ass, but the votes coming in late in wisconsin and Michigan like they did was not unexpected at all. In fact, all of the channels and commentators expected it, talked about it, and cautioned people who were panicking. I just ask that you educated yourself before claiming fraud and cheating.
Florida 2000.
In fact, the networks called it before the panhandle polls had even closed.
Florida in 2000 by CNN. It hasn't happened much since then,. They are really careful.
They were already pretty well into the count when networks started calling FL for Gore
What do you mean "pretty well into the count?"
NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:50 PM. And they were wrong.
Wait, I thought you were up in arms about the vote counters stopping for a few hours of sleep last night? What happened to that? No longer a concern for you?
As others have said - Florida, 2000. Nobody could figure out WTF was going on there.
It's like Florida Man was running the election down there.....
Granted, it's been 20 years, so maybe I'm off here, but my recollection is that the Florida call was early, but based on actual batches of votes that had been counted. My question was in relation to situations like calling CA, OR and WA at 11:01 PM before anything had actually come in. My bad.
Right? It’s comical that they were able to paint Joe Biden as an ultra left wing radical. But because the left wingers make the most noise that’s what Biden got stuck with.
It's over. He has no options. Now be a man, accept it, and stop bawling your eyes out.
We will see about it. Trump will have a say. If he has exhausted his legal options and is still behind then he would concede and step aside.
I know he's your boy and everything, but read the writing on the wall. What, in his long history of being a bully that blames everything around him for anything that doesn't break his way, makes you think he'll concede? He won't concede anything without a lengthy battle, and then when that doesn't go his way, he'll shift blame elsewhere. His followers will eat it up, like they always do. Take it to the bank.
Not gonna lie - I know Biden is more of a centrist. But the question is can he withstand the pressure he will get from the ultra-left wing?
Will that pressure be there, or will they back off since 'their guy' is in office?
While we're discussing perception, here's another observation. Dems are the party of lofty ideas, and Repubs are the party of constraints.
Dems want these great sounding things - healthcare for all, open borders, etc
Pubs think "how are we going to pay for all of that?" Or "How can we manage the influx of immigrants?" Etc. It has nothing to do with WHO is getting the care or getting in, it's just the numbers have to work.
But then the Pubs get branded as racist or something.
At least that's how I perceive it.
I agree with some of that, particularly traditionally with republicans being fiscally conservative. However, the neocon movement of GW Bush moved much larger big government. The current Trump presidency is pretty far away from traditional republican values except for paying lipservice to christian issues for that vote.
Agree 100%. I think that’s why you see a large number of voters this year going for Biden at the top of the ticket and going Republican down ticket. My mom is one of those voters. She’s a dyed-in-the-wool conservative and has voted Republican her entire life. Not this year. She said that she could not stomach voting for someone like President Trump, whose daily words and actions trampled over her values.*** The only thing that would have caused her to vote for him would’ve been the Democrats deciding to nominate a Clinton as their candidate. Naturally, the DNC was dumb enough to do just that in 2016. I have little doubt that my mom was just one of many potential Baby Boomer votes that they lost with that decision.
*** My time in Germany and with Teach For America has rendered me a bleeding heart liberal in comparison to my mom, but our personal values will always remain the same. I’m a registered Democrat in SC, but since it’s SC, that just means I’m a centrist. I voted for Tim Scott back in 2018, and I would have no issues voting for someone like Nikki Haley if she ever ran for executive office.
But as a Christian, I can never stomach supporting Donald Trump. I cannot stomach the sheer lack of integrity/respect and the way in which he tramples on the teachings of the Gospel with his daily words and actions. Instead of love for others, we see hatred and divisiveness. Instead of mercy for the downtrodden and those who have lost, we see mockery and derision. And instead of servant leadership (for his constituents and even his own dang staff), we see selfishness and a refusal to support anything or anyone if it does not benefit him and his ego. No joy, no self-reflection, no collective growth. It’s the antithesis of Christian values.
And his lip service via certain policies are just that — lip service — no better than that stunt he pulled a few months ago when he had a crowd of demonstrators dispersed with tear gas so that he could pose for a photo op with a Bible in front of a church. No prayers, no kind words for the suffering families, no mention of scripture. Just a photo op, with the Bible as a prop. And I am sick and tired of people using Christian words and symbols as a prop to serve their own selfish gains — especially those in a leadership position.
TL/DR: If you’re a leader who holds your faith dear, wonderful! I love seeing leaders like that talk the talk, because they walk the walk every day. We’re blessed enough to have one of those leaders running our football program, and look at the dividends it has paid! The culture he has established at Clemson — that’s the kind of culture I want to see in the White House. That’s the kind of culture I expect to see in the place that’s supposed to house the best and brightest of our country. President Trump’s leadership has fostered a culture that is the polar opposite of that, and it has festered for too long. I’m ready for that to end. Please just let it end.
Is now a good time to point out that 1980 is still holding everything up?
Damn 1980 - freaking count already!
Damn 1980 - freaking count already!
Bahahahaha and of course it’s Charleston’s lesser cousin that’s going to finish counting last. Looks like Fulton County is going to beat them even though they spotted them several hours with that pipe break at State Farm Arena.
Agree with much of that. Some of the move was a 'panic' over the spectre of terrorism after the 9/11 attacks.
Response or excuse? Dunno.
I think a lot of the problem comes when you look at all the issues that people care about:
Economy - capitalism or socialism?
Health Care - nationalize or not?
Border Security - Open or closed?
Guns - for or against
War on Drugs - for or against?
Social Issues - traditional values or more liberal view
International Issues - international cop or isolationism?
Police - for or against?
....and then try to separate everyone into one of two camps based on how they feel on all of that (where you could have up to 256 different sets of opinions - at least) - holy crap.
I can understand this take. I don't like Trump, but at the same time voting for Biden feels like a vote for the far-left agenda. As supported by Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. So what do you do?
I mean, none of them are really far-left. Far-left would be someone like Bernie Sanders, and Harris has shown she is willing to vote against him. A recent example was when she voted against his proposal to reduce the military budget for FY21. She’s also co-sponsored several bipartisan bills in the senate, which in my mind rules out anyone being truly far-left or far-right. Folks too far on either end of the spectrum wouldn’t be doing anything bipartisan. As for Schumer and Pelosi, they might not be likeable (Pelosi especially), but again, they’re more center left. They wouldn’t have held their positions for as long as they have if they were far-left. Most of this country is some shade of moderate.
This won't be popular, but if (when) Georgia goes for Biden I will scream my lungs out pulling for the Dawgs against Florida.
I would just like to point out that the scenario I described here is playing out pretty much to a tee:
"just the idea that its plausible a sitting President might outright refuse to concede and tell all of his supporters that the election results are illegitimate and he’s the victim of a consipiracy - even thinking that’s possible, to my mind, is a really dark sign for how deep down the rabbit hole we’ve gone."
And the scenario you describe here is not playing out at all at this time:
"He's not subverting the democratic process. If he loses fairly without suspicious ballot activity, he will move on just like presidents before him."
Given that, I really have to challenge the assertion that my concerns about this President are equal to a conspiracy theory and an example of me living in my own reality.
To contribute a little more than my previous pithy comment, @scotchtiger 's argument was nothing more than "both sides" ism. Both sides are definitely not the same. Right leaning voters (on average) are flatly less grounded in reality than left leaning voters right now and it's not a good place for us to be. Arguments that Donald Trump is trying to undermine democracy (based on recorded comments that HE made) are in no way equivalent to the baseless conspiracy theories Trump has espoused about Democrats trying to steal the election.
I don't mean to suggest that the American left is perfect or anywhere close to it. Also worth noting:
More Republicans Distrust This Year’s Election Results Than Democrats After 2016
Ben Sasse makes a good point... the reason Rudy and the crew are claiming fraud in press conferences but not in the courts when facing a judge... lying in court is a crime.
“When Trump campaign lawyers have stood before courts under oath, they have repeatedly refused to actually allege grand fraud — because there are legal consequences for lying to judges,” Sasse said. "President Trump lost Michigan by more than 100,000 votes, and the campaign and its allies have lost in or withdrawn from all five lawsuits in Michigan for being unable to produce any evidence.”
Let's all be honest here, Trump is only throwing this shit fit because he is still salty about the 2016 election.
My favorite was when they claimed Republican poll watchers weren’t being allowed in the counting rooms and the judge asked them point blank “yes or no, are they in that room?” And the lawyer had to respond yes and the judge immediately threw out the suit.
Congrats?
BTW, I've been doing some real world, feet on the street, research into the election winner this week. Serious first hand research.
I'm working through a couple of real estate investment transaction by year-end. I've had calls/meetings with my real estate attorney, tax attorney and CPA so far to evaluate a drop and swap 1031 vs just eating the 20% cap gains this year. The concern is uncle Joe forcing me to pay unAmerican marginal ordinary income tax rates on these gains once he's able to implement his tax policy. Maybe it's better to just pay the man now.
Scotchtiger's official election winner: CPAs and tax attorneys
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