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I think both recordings are sketchy at best until I hear more. I do feel the officers in both situations jumped a little early but think about if you were a cop and not knowing if at any moment you could be blown away also. Comply with law enforcement and your @$$ will not die. Fact
 
I think both recordings are sketchy at best until I hear more. I do feel the officers in both situations jumped a little early but think about if you were a cop and not knowing if at any moment you could be blown away also. Comply with law enforcement and your @$$ will not die. Fact
Not fact
 
The cops in LA are probably getting off. The one in Minnesota is probably fired and probably facing charges.
 
I think both recordings are sketchy at best until I hear more. I do feel the officers in both situations jumped a little early but think about if you were a cop and not knowing if at any moment you could be blown away also. Comply with law enforcement and your @$$ will not die. Fact
Whew...I'm both white AND good at following directions. I get to live.

To everyone that aren't those two things - see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
 
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In the majority of counties in America, you are more likely to be shot by police as an unarmed black man than you are as an armed white man. That is a mathematical, statistical fact. That is simply wrong and the core of the problem.
The core of the problem is that young African American males are also statistically more likely to be from bad neighborhoods, without a father, and/or without education. All of those factors statistically correlate to higher police encounters and incarceration rates. If you are in that group of young African American males, then you are also statistically more likely to be killed by another black male than by police. I don't believe systemic racism is the problem but socio-economic status. The shooting in minnesota was 100% inexcusable but I believe that it should be voluntary manslaughter charge and not homicide.
 
The core of the problem is that young African American males are also statistically more likely to be from bad neighborhoods, without a father, and/or without education. All of those factors statistically correlate to higher police encounters and incarceration rates. If you are in that group of young African American males, then you are also statistically more likely to be killed by another black male than by police. I don't believe systemic racism is the problem but socio-economic status. The shooting in minnesota was 100% inexcusable but I believe that it should be voluntary manslaughter charge and not homicide.
Fair points. I don't know what the solution is but this has been a terrible week for the country.
 
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The cops in LA are probably getting off. The one in Minnesota is probably fired and probably facing charges.
But he was Asian?
Obama acts like only white people are racist, black peoples and other minority's are as pure as the driven snow.
Reality rarely fits the liberal pre conceived bias...
 
http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/96137

Gun basically 2 inches from guys chest ...no gun in sight...cop pulls it out black dudes pocket after other one blows him up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
While the media spins this issue into a froth to drive ratings, hits, etc., I think we should all look at the actual numbers before we try to cure a race "epidemic" that really doesn't exist. So far this year, police in America have killed 509 people. 123 of them have been black. 12 of those who were black were also unarmed. America is a really, really big place. These are not really, really big numbers. See the above link from the Washington Post.
 
no idea why people arent smart enough to back the idea, "comply with the officers" and this would not have ended in a death, or at least, the probability of death would be greatly lowered with compliance.

that guy resisted arrest until he was shot.

makes no sense how alot of people, maybe a majority overlook the simple fact of "personal responsiblity"
 

it may not be a total fact

but a total fact is- dont be breaking the law, dont be out at 12:30 at nite loitering,

when approached by cops, follw their instructions.

so you think that if he would have put his hands up and laid down on the ground and totally submitted to the cops

that baton rouge guy would still be dead? or a high probability?
 
Whew...I'm both white AND good at following directions. I get to live.

To everyone that aren't those two things - see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.

you can be black, asian, muslim, buddhist

follow rhe law and respect law enforcement

life might not be so bad for ya

quit ****ing bitching about black lives matter and get. the fukk back to work and taking care of your family
 
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The core of the problem is that young African American males are also statistically more likely to be from bad neighborhood.

even if you live in the ghetto, you can be smart enough to "learn" that "hey if i follow the rules, work hard, be respectful of law enforcement my life will be ok"

that cant be that hard to learn

but if you have a bunch of dumbasses around you constantly bitching about how life sucks and how whitey is out to keep the black man down"

thats total and utter bullshyt

build your character, dont worry about your skin color
 
you can be black, asian, muslim, buddhist

follow rhe law and respect law enforcement

life might not be so bad for ya

quit ****ing bitching about black lives matter and get. the fukk back to work and taking care of your family
What a wonderful racist comment to end your post.
 
you can be black, asian, muslim, buddhist

follow rhe law and respect law enforcement

life might not be so bad for ya

quit ****ing bitching about black lives matter and get. the fukk back to work and taking care of your family
Interesting concept from a guy who has admitted he's a dopehead, has not paid his taxes in at least 3 years, and cannot get his "kid" back through the legal system without "bending the truth."

Does that mean if you're arrested for smoking dope that you deserved to be shot because....your record is not really "clean."

You really should stop with the life advice.
 
The main problem with the black community is absent fathers. It destroys families and communities. President Oblamer should talk about this everyday but I never hear him talk about. Everybody is a victim in his world,
 
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Amazing how almost everyone in this arema blames the victim and yet fail to realize that there is a marked difference in how law enforcement engages individuals in traffic stops or interactions.

Personal note from this past spring:

In my classroom, my students warmup and play their instruments before class begins (as instructed by me). My band room is two doors down from the SRO's office. The SRO is a new and has only been in the building a cpl weeks. My student (also a senior tightend on the football team) is playing his trumpet as he does everyday. I'm in my repair room making a minor repair to an instrument.

This particular day, I send another student to the front office to get a package. She leaves the door open. The SRO officer is on his cell phone. My student is playing his horn as he goes to close the door. The SRO officer PERCEIVES my student is playing the horn at him intentionally as to interrupt his phone call.

The student closes the door. The SRO begins walking towards the door and unlocks my classroom door to talk to the student who had turned around to come back into the classroom. He tells my student that he is on an important call and that he is interfering with his ability to conduct the business he needs to conduct because he's playing the trumpet. My student rolls his eyes and tells the SRO that he's playing his trumpet like he does every single day before class starts. The SRO begins to leave. My student turns around and says, "he's not even supposed to be in here in the first place (as he walks to his seat).

The SRO overhears this and walks towards my student who is seated by this time and tells him to come with him to go to the office. The student refuses because he's done nothing wrong. The SRO starts putting his finger in my student's face and tells him to put the trumpet down. My student says, you have no right to pull me out of class if I have done nothing wrong. The SRO says he can do whatever he needs to within the description of his job. The SRO proceeds to take my student's trumpet with my student holding on to it. The SRO crushes the braces that holds the trumpet together. The student asks the SRO if he is going to pay for the broken trumpet. The tension is VERY HIGH at this point.

It is at this moment that I intervene and ask both the SRO and student to come outside with me to discuss the situation privately. They both comply.

Outside, I ask the officer is there anything I can do to help ease the tension. I mention that the student's mother is an educator in this building and he could discuss the issue with her as opposed to taking him to the office. The SRO thinks that I'm trying to invoke some sort of privilege that would override his decision. He grabs the student by the arm and begins to walk him to the office. My heart is pounding because I'm thinking of the Spring Valley situation that occurred earlier in the school year. All the while, the student is saying you have no right to take me out of my class when I've done nothing wrong.

The student ended up being suspended for 3 days.

My question to you all, who was wrong? The student? The SRO? or myself as the educator?
 
Amazing how almost everyone in this arema blames the victim and yet fail to realize that there is a marked difference in how law enforcement engages individuals in traffic stops or interactions.

Personal note from this past spring:

In my classroom, my students warmup and play their instruments before class begins (as instructed by me). My band room is two doors down from the SRO's office. The SRO is a new and has only been in the building a cpl weeks. My student (also a senior tightend on the football team) is playing his trumpet as he does everyday. I'm in my repair room making a minor repair to an instrument.

This particular day, I send another student to the front office to get a package. She leaves the door open. The SRO officer is on his cell phone. My student is playing his horn as he goes to close the door. The SRO officer PERCEIVES my student is playing the horn at him intentionally as to interrupt his phone call.

The student closes the door. The SRO begins walking towards the door and unlocks my classroom door to talk to the student who had turned around to come back into the classroom. He tells my student that he is on an important call and that he is interfering with his ability to conduct the business he needs to conduct because he's playing the trumpet. My student rolls his eyes and tells the SRO that he's playing his trumpet like he does every single day before class starts. The SRO begins to leave. My student turns around and says, "he's not even supposed to be in here in the first place (as he walks to his seat).

The SRO overhears this and walks towards my student who is seated by this time and tells him to come with him to go to the office. The student refuses because he's done nothing wrong. The SRO starts putting his finger in my student's face and tells him to put the trumpet down. My student says, you have no right to pull me out of class if I have done nothing wrong. The SRO says he can do whatever he needs to within the description of his job. The SRO proceeds to take my student's trumpet with my student holding on to it. The SRO crushes the braces that holds the trumpet together. The student asks the SRO if he is going to pay for the broken trumpet. The tension is VERY HIGH at this point.

It is at this moment that I intervene and ask both the SRO and student to come outside with me to discuss the situation privately. They both comply.

Outside, I ask the officer is there anything I can do to help ease the tension. I mention that the student's mother is an educator in this building and he could discuss the issue with her as opposed to taking him to the office. The SRO thinks that I'm trying to invoke some sort of privilege that would override his decision. He grabs the student by the arm and begins to walk him to the office. My heart is pounding because I'm thinking of the Spring Valley situation that occurred earlier in the school year. All the while, the student is saying you have no right to take me out of my class when I've done nothing wrong.

The student ended up being suspended for 3 days.

My question to you all, who was wrong? The student? The SRO? or myself as the educator?
I'm sure you were going your best, but the student had a huge chip on his shoulder. Probaly because mommy works at the school and she displays a disrespectful attitude at home, in regards to authority figures at the school. I don't think the SRO, should have to talk to his mommy, she is Probaly the type to make excuses for the little punk. Glad the school backed the SRO and not this loser kid.
 
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Amazing how almost everyone in this arema blames the victim and yet fail to realize that there is a marked difference in how law enforcement engages individuals in traffic stops or interactions.

Personal note from this past spring:

In my classroom, my students warmup and play their instruments before class begins (as instructed by me). My band room is two doors down from the SRO's office. The SRO is a new and has only been in the building a cpl weeks. My student (also a senior tightend on the football team) is playing his trumpet as he does everyday. I'm in my repair room making a minor repair to an instrument.

This particular day, I send another student to the front office to get a package. She leaves the door open. The SRO officer is on his cell phone. My student is playing his horn as he goes to close the door. The SRO officer PERCEIVES my student is playing the horn at him intentionally as to interrupt his phone call.

The student closes the door. The SRO begins walking towards the door and unlocks my classroom door to talk to the student who had turned around to come back into the classroom. He tells my student that he is on an important call and that he is interfering with his ability to conduct the business he needs to conduct because he's playing the trumpet. My student rolls his eyes and tells the SRO that he's playing his trumpet like he does every single day before class starts. The SRO begins to leave. My student turns around and says, "he's not even supposed to be in here in the first place (as he walks to his seat).

The SRO overhears this and walks towards my student who is seated by this time and tells him to come with him to go to the office. The student refuses because he's done nothing wrong. The SRO starts putting his finger in my student's face and tells him to put the trumpet down. My student says, you have no right to pull me out of class if I have done nothing wrong. The SRO says he can do whatever he needs to within the description of his job. The SRO proceeds to take my student's trumpet with my student holding on to it. The SRO crushes the braces that holds the trumpet together. The student asks the SRO if he is going to pay for the broken trumpet. The tension is VERY HIGH at this point.

It is at this moment that I intervene and ask both the SRO and student to come outside with me to discuss the situation privately. They both comply.

Outside, I ask the officer is there anything I can do to help ease the tension. I mention that the student's mother is an educator in this building and he could discuss the issue with her as opposed to taking him to the office. The SRO thinks that I'm trying to invoke some sort of privilege that would override his decision. He grabs the student by the arm and begins to walk him to the office. My heart is pounding because I'm thinking of the Spring Valley situation that occurred earlier in the school year. All the while, the student is saying you have no right to take me out of my class when I've done nothing wrong.

The student ended up being suspended for 3 days.

My question to you all, who was wrong? The student? The SRO? or myself as the educator?

Knowing what little I know of SRO training, that guy should be removed from that position and reassigned before something worse happens. For the record, I recently attended police violent conflict training and if everyone in the country attended that, a whole lot less people would be complaining about the cops. By the letter of the law, the Baton Rouge police officer was within his rights as a public safety officer to do what he did.

Of course the moral question is....COULD he have deescalated in some other way? Probably so but if any of us has 1-2 seconds to continually make life-or-death decisions, on occasion we are going to make the wrong choice. We need more facts on the Minnesota case....it certainly looks like officer misconduct so far.
 
you can be black, asian, muslim, buddhist

follow rhe law and respect law enforcement

life might not be so bad for ya

quit ****ing bitching about black lives matter and get. the fukk back to work and taking care of your family
I think you misinterpreted the sarchasm in my post App. Inability or unwillingness to follow law enforcement directions should not be the basis for a death sentence.

You and I are just not going to agree on this topic - same can be said of others that are posting in these threads. Let's just agree the whole situation is tragic and is painful for the country.
 
I'm sure you were going your best, but the student had a huge chip on his shoulder. Probaly because mommy works at the school and she displays a disrespectful attitude at home, in regards to authority figures at the school. I don't think the SRO, should have to talk to his mommy, she is Probaly the type to make excuses for the little punk. Glad the school backed the SRO and not this loser kid.
You are quite a dickhead, aye?
 
Amazing how almost everyone in this arema blames the victim and yet fail to realize that there is a marked difference in how law enforcement engages individuals in traffic stops or interactions.

Personal note from this past spring:

In my classroom, my students warmup and play their instruments before class begins (as instructed by me). My band room is two doors down from the SRO's office. The SRO is a new and has only been in the building a cpl weeks. My student (also a senior tightend on the football team) is playing his trumpet as he does everyday. I'm in my repair room making a minor repair to an instrument.

This particular day, I send another student to the front office to get a package. She leaves the door open. The SRO officer is on his cell phone. My student is playing his horn as he goes to close the door. The SRO officer PERCEIVES my student is playing the horn at him intentionally as to interrupt his phone call.

The student closes the door. The SRO begins walking towards the door and unlocks my classroom door to talk to the student who had turned around to come back into the classroom. He tells my student that he is on an important call and that he is interfering with his ability to conduct the business he needs to conduct because he's playing the trumpet. My student rolls his eyes and tells the SRO that he's playing his trumpet like he does every single day before class starts. The SRO begins to leave. My student turns around and says, "he's not even supposed to be in here in the first place (as he walks to his seat).

The SRO overhears this and walks towards my student who is seated by this time and tells him to come with him to go to the office. The student refuses because he's done nothing wrong. The SRO starts putting his finger in my student's face and tells him to put the trumpet down. My student says, you have no right to pull me out of class if I have done nothing wrong. The SRO says he can do whatever he needs to within the description of his job. The SRO proceeds to take my student's trumpet with my student holding on to it. The SRO crushes the braces that holds the trumpet together. The student asks the SRO if he is going to pay for the broken trumpet. The tension is VERY HIGH at this point.

It is at this moment that I intervene and ask both the SRO and student to come outside with me to discuss the situation privately. They both comply.

Outside, I ask the officer is there anything I can do to help ease the tension. I mention that the student's mother is an educator in this building and he could discuss the issue with her as opposed to taking him to the office. The SRO thinks that I'm trying to invoke some sort of privilege that would override his decision. He grabs the student by the arm and begins to walk him to the office. My heart is pounding because I'm thinking of the Spring Valley situation that occurred earlier in the school year. All the while, the student is saying you have no right to take me out of my class when I've done nothing wrong.

The student ended up being suspended for 3 days.

My question to you all, who was wrong? The student? The SRO? or myself as the educator?
Is this a rhetorical question? The student was wrong.

Seriously, why is this a question?
 
Amazing how almost everyone in this arema blames the victim and yet fail to realize that there is a marked difference in how law enforcement engages individuals in traffic stops or interactions.

Personal note from this past spring:

In my classroom, my students warmup and play their instruments before class begins (as instructed by me). My band room is two doors down from the SRO's office. The SRO is a new and has only been in the building a cpl weeks. My student (also a senior tightend on the football team) is playing his trumpet as he does everyday. I'm in my repair room making a minor repair to an instrument.

This particular day, I send another student to the front office to get a package. She leaves the door open. The SRO officer is on his cell phone. My student is playing his horn as he goes to close the door. The SRO officer PERCEIVES my student is playing the horn at him intentionally as to interrupt his phone call.

The student closes the door. The SRO begins walking towards the door and unlocks my classroom door to talk to the student who had turned around to come back into the classroom. He tells my student that he is on an important call and that he is interfering with his ability to conduct the business he needs to conduct because he's playing the trumpet. My student rolls his eyes and tells the SRO that he's playing his trumpet like he does every single day before class starts. The SRO begins to leave. My student turns around and says, "he's not even supposed to be in here in the first place (as he walks to his seat).

The SRO overhears this and walks towards my student who is seated by this time and tells him to come with him to go to the office. The student refuses because he's done nothing wrong. The SRO starts putting his finger in my student's face and tells him to put the trumpet down. My student says, you have no right to pull me out of class if I have done nothing wrong. The SRO says he can do whatever he needs to within the description of his job. The SRO proceeds to take my student's trumpet with my student holding on to it. The SRO crushes the braces that holds the trumpet together. The student asks the SRO if he is going to pay for the broken trumpet. The tension is VERY HIGH at this point.

It is at this moment that I intervene and ask both the SRO and student to come outside with me to discuss the situation privately. They both comply.

Outside, I ask the officer is there anything I can do to help ease the tension. I mention that the student's mother is an educator in this building and he could discuss the issue with her as opposed to taking him to the office. The SRO thinks that I'm trying to invoke some sort of privilege that would override his decision. He grabs the student by the arm and begins to walk him to the office. My heart is pounding because I'm thinking of the Spring Valley situation that occurred earlier in the school year. All the while, the student is saying you have no right to take me out of my class when I've done nothing wrong.

The student ended up being suspended for 3 days.

My question to you all, who was wrong? The student? The SRO? or myself as the educator?
I'll bite. To me, all three of you are wrong. It all comes down to respect and if both of these individuals would have been more respectful to each other this situation diffuses a lot faster and everyone goes about their day. Whether the student was blowing the horn directly at the officer or not, he probably should have been more mindful in that he could be disturbing others working or learning outside of the classroom and waited until the door was closed before returning to playing (maybe this is a rule you enact (door should be closed before playing) as the teacher to teach your students to be mindful of others). The SRO should have been more respectful when confronting the student and calmly explained to him that by playing his horn while shutting the door interrupted his phone call and that he would appreciate it if he would shut the door before blowing his horn into the hallway. The student apologizes for any inconvenience and explains that it was not his intent to be an interference. Situation is now diffused - you enact the "door closed rule" to keep this issue from occurring again. Life goes on.

Unfortunately this is not how this occurred. The SRO was disrespectful by waiving his finger, the student was disrespectful by rolling his eyes and arguing with the SRO, and you as the "teacher" have not taught your student or the SRO how to better handle this situation (or put into place some rules) so that everyone can work and learn together peacefully.
 
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