New Video released--Philando Castille

[RoyalBengal25]

--"Broken tail lights"
--Licensed to carry
--2 cops on scene. Driver made primary cop aware of firearm in car (as he was probably taught to do)
--women and child in car
--cop fires off multiple shot in succession in what appears to happen in a panic

I don't know all the intimate details of the case but this video & audio alone is pretty damning. Just trying to figure out how/why did the jury come back with a not guilty (of manslaughter)?

 

[trich24]

I'm surprised the NRA hasn't had a field day with this.

 

[dbjork6317]

I'm surprised the NRA hasn't had a field day with this.

My understanding is that the NRA won't touch this because he had marijuana in his system.

 

[jmh9713]

1. That officer does not need to be anywhere near firearms. He is not mentally stable enough to maintain composure. You can tell he was going to shoot first no matter what. You wont be able to get manslaughter without seeing actual footage inside car of what happened. Still that officer seems incompetent at best. The worst part about this is kids are in the car.

2. That video does not tell the entire story. Was the guy who was shot reaching/pointing in a way like he was going to shoot? You still do not know.

Firearms whether licensed to carry or not just seem like a bad idea to me. Just my opinion. They do more harm than good. I get people like their guns and those sleak holsters, but why even throw that in the mix. Everything was fine until the gentlemen said he had a gun.

 

[poates6]

This sucks all around. It shouldn't have happened. Why did the officer have to pull the trigger so quick? Why didn't the driver stop reaching and show the officer his hands?

This video shows an officer clearly shaken over what he just did, he wasn't happy about it or proud of it. It lets us hear a woman in the front seat confirm the officers testimony that the driver was reaching while the officer told him to stop. It shows the officer firing in seconds after approaching the vehicle.

It shows officers trying to revive or keep alive the driver. But it was too late. It's just sad. Too too sad and it happens too often and we have to find a way to come together so we don't have to see these videos anymore.

 

[jmh9713]

This sucks all around. It shouldn't have happened. Why did the officer have to pull the trigger so quick? Why didn't the driver stop reaching and show the officer his hands?

This video shows an officer clearly shaken over what he just did, he wasn't happy about it or proud of it. It lets us hear a woman in the front seat confirm the officers testimony that the driver was reaching while the officer told him to stop. It shows the officer firing in seconds after approaching the vehicle.

It shows officers trying to revive or keep alive the driver. But it was too late. It's just sad. Too too sad and it happens too often and we have to find a way to come together so we don't have to see these videos anymore.

Come together? We just have to find a way to get competent mentally stable officers. I think we have some guys right now who have no business even owning a gun.

This is a quality and training issue more than a come together deal. We need people who can maintain their emotions in highly stressful situations.

 

[poates6]

Come together? We just have to find a way to get competent mentally stable officers. I think we have some guys right now who have no business even owning a gun.

This is a quality and training issue more than a come together deal. We need people who can maintain their emotions in highly stressful situations.

When's the last time someone pulled a gun on you? When's the last time someone told you they had a gun then didn't listen to instruction. He was stable before he believed his life to be in danger and then his response afterwards is completely expected for a stable individual that just did something horrific.

Throw all the stones you want from your high and mighty tower. We absolutely need better training for officers and for the public. We also need a higher quality/morality from everyone. Hence the come together and get better. But we probably won't because folks like you just want to cast blame from their ignorant arrogance.

 

[dbjork6317]

View embedded media

--"Broken tail lights"
--Licensed to carry
--2 cops on scene. Driver made primary cop aware of firearm in car (as he was probably taught to do)
--women and child in car
--cop fires off multiple shot in succession in what appears to happen in a panic

I don't know all the intimate details of the case but this video & audio alone is pretty damning. Just trying to figure out how/why did the jury come back with a not guilty (of manslaughter)?

The issue is that the perception of the situation that the officer has is what matters. If he says that he perceived that the victim was reaching for a gun, that he perceived his life was in imminent danger, the prosecution has to prove not that his perception was incorrect, but rather that he could not have reasonably had that perception. So even if you had video evidence that he did not have a gun in his hand, you'd have to ask if it was possible for the officer to think he had a gun. This is why it's very difficult to prosecute an officer, and probably it should be difficult given the uniqueness of their circumstances.

So, is it reasonable that the officer truly felt that Castille was reaching for a gun, is it reasonable that the officer felt his life was in danger? The jury felt so.

Is it also reasonable that he panicked? Is it reasonable that he was incompetent and acted irresponsibly? Is it reasonable that his perception is affected by poor judgement? The state felt so, as they will not keep him on as an officer.

To me these are not mutually exclusive. He could have reasonably felt he was in danger while also panicking and practicing poor judgement. Whether that makes him guilty of manslaughter or not, again the jury didn't feel it did - but they did have to deliberate for several days.

Culturally, the question here is why did he panic? Why did he instantly assume Castille was reaching for a gun? On its face it seems somewhat ridiculous to think that someone who wants to shoot a cop would tell him he had a gun on him. So is it possible that Castille's race played a role in the officer's perception and in his actions? I'd say that's very possible and perhaps likely. That doesn't mean he's racist, it means he's human and like all people has built in biases.

 

[ddot7]

If anyone's willing to be honest about it, if Philando Castile was instead Hunter Lucas O'Callaghan III, the officer would've thanked him for informing him that he was licensed to carry, given him a warning and sent him on his way to lacrosse practice with a "Get em, bro!"

In the unlikely event he'd shot him, even once, he wouldn't have waited 5 minutes before yanking him out of the car like an animal.

This shit is disgusting.

 

[poates6]

The issue is that the perception of the situation that the officer has is what matters. If he says that he perceived that the victim was reaching for a gun, that he perceived his life was in imminent danger, the prosecution has to prove not that his perception was incorrect, but rather that he could not have reasonably had that perception. So even if you had video evidence that he did not have a gun in his hand, you'd have to ask if it was possible for the officer to think he had a gun. This is why it's very difficult to prosecute an officer, and probably it should be difficult given the uniqueness of their circumstances.

So, is it reasonable that the officer truly felt that Castille was reaching for a gun, is it reasonable that the officer felt his life was in danger? The jury felt so.

Is it also reasonable that he panicked? Is it reasonable that he was incompetent and acted irresponsibly? Is it reasonable that his perception is affected by poor judgement? The state felt so, as they will not keep him on as an officer.

To me these are not mutually exclusive. He could have reasonably felt he was in danger while also panicking and practicing poor judgement. Whether that makes him guilty of manslaughter or not, again the jury didn't feel it did - but they did have to deliberate for several days.

Culturally, the question here is why did he panic? Why did he instantly assume Castille was reaching for a gun? On its face it seems somewhat ridiculous to think that someone who wants to shoot a cop would tell him he had a gun on him. So is it possible that Castille's race played a role in the officer's perception and in his actions? I'd say that's very possible and perhaps likely. That doesn't mean he's racist, it means he's human and like all people has built in biases.

Excellent post! This helps push the discussion forward.

 

[poates6]

If anyone's willing to be honest about it, if Philando Castile was instead Hunter Lucas O'Callaghan III, the officer would've thanked him for informing him that he was licensed to carry, given him a warning and sent him on his way to lacrosse practice with a "Get em, bro!"

In the unlikely event he'd shot him, even once, he wouldn't have waited 5 minutes before yanking him out of the car like an animal.

This shit is disgusting.

Try to be more like @dbjork6317. Try to have a civil discussion about this.

 

[OrangeRegalia]

Nobody is warning an officer that they have a gun and are licensed to carry and then goes reaching for it to shoot a cop with his girlfriend and extremely young child in the car.

I'm sure someone will come back and say you don't know that or people do stupid things all the time, and good for you for not thinking with your brain.

 

[iceheart08]

Try to be more like @dbjork6317. Try to have a civil discussion about this.

There was nothing uncivil about his post. You disagreeing with the content doesn't make it uncivil.

And for the record, he is 10000000000% correct.

 

[iceheart08]

The cop emptied an entire clip into him...

That's a pretty big clue in determining the cop's state of mind.

 

[johnnyfivealive]

There was nothing uncivil about his post. You disagreeing with the content doesn't make it uncivil.

And for the record, he is 10000000000% correct.

More white people are killed by the police than any other group in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

 

[tboonpickens]

I respect police and have always complied with their instructions (never been arrested or anything but have had two speeding tickets in my life), but I can't for the life of me figure how that cop imagined that the man who was calmly talking to him with a woman and small child as passengers was about to go O.K. Corral in broad daylight during a routine traffic stop. It sucks that we can't get an inside view of that car to see what was really happening with regard to the victim's movements.

 

[poates6]

There was nothing uncivil about his post. You disagreeing with the content doesn't make it uncivil.

And for the record, he is 10000000000% correct.

Not surprised here at all. Good work keeping up stereo types!

 

[iceheart08]

More white people are killed by the police than any other group in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

White:206 Black:112 in 2017 so far. if you include Hispanic people killed by police (82) its about even. Given that there are far more white people in the US (62% of the overall population), the data you've provided proves that black people (13% of the population) and Hispanic (17%) people are shot and killed by police, in 2017, far more often than white people.

 

[johnnyfivealive]

206-112 in 2017 so far. if you include Hispanic people its about even. Given that there are far more white people in the US (62% of the overall population), the data you've provided proves that black people (13% of the population) and Hispanic (17%) people are shot and killed by police, in 2017, far more often.

That's obviously a problem and not what I was taking issue with. It's the suggestion that if Castile had been a white man, he would've gotten off with a warning because the police don't kill white people, which is demonstrably false.

 

[trich24]

When's the last time someone pulled a gun on you? When's the last time someone told you they had a gun then didn't listen to instruction. He was stable before he believed his life to be in danger and then his response afterwards is completely expected for a stable individual that just did something horrific.

Throw all the stones you want from your high and mighty tower. We absolutely need better training for officers and for the public. We also need a higher quality/morality from everyone. Hence the come together and get better. But we probably won't because folks like you just want to cast blame from their ignorant arrogance.

"Didn't listen to instruction"? Lol. Come on man... The VICTIM was completely calm while he informed the officer that he had a gun without even being asked. Anybody with an IQ above 50 would know that he wasn't reaching for his gun (which is what he was instructed not to do). He was obviously "reaching" for his ID and/or CWP like any logical person would do simultaneously as they inform the officer that a weapon was in the car. Within a matter of 3 seconds the officer proceeds to unload his entire magazine in the car with a child in the backseat.

If he was so threatened and the VICTIM really appeared to be reaching for a weapon why did the cop on the other side of the car not even begin to reach for his weapon? He was staring inside the car the entire time watching everything and he didn't even come close to reaching for his weapon. Why didn't he feel threatened?

The car was pulled over for a freaking brake light. The driver didn't show any signs that he didn't want to comply with the officer. He mentions he has a gun, is obviously nervous and instinctively wants to show the officer that he has a CWP (as he is being told not to reach for his GUN and says "I'm not pulling it out" in response). He didn't make any sudden movements or do anything else that would make somebody feel threatened.

I can watch that video and easily put myself in the VICTIM's shoes and see where I could zone out for a second as I get tunnel vision on trying to find my weapon permit. I can also put myself in the officer's shoes and say with confidence that I would use MUCH more restraint than that before deciding to end someone's life. This is just a fvcked up situation because of a spineless cop that panicked in a situation he should have been much better equipped to handle.

 

[ddot7]

Try to be more like @dbjork6317. Try to have a civil discussion about this.

Suck a dick. How about that?

Spoiler

Really though, I'm joking about that but you making the assumption that what I posted can't be part of a "civil discussion" is part of the problem. It doesn't fit what YOU want to hear so you feel it's easiest to dismiss it. You could just as easily respond why you don't believe what I posted to be fair or accurate but is that too much of a challenge?

 

[Chrisd4cu]

My understanding is that the NRA won't touch this because he had marijuana in his system.

Are u sure it was, because was "in his system" ?i would think that would disqualify a large percentage of Americans from representation, what about those under a Doctors care?
Seems unfair.

What about Alcohol?

 

[iceheart08]

That's obviously a problem and not what I was taking issue with. It's the suggestion that if Castile had been a white man, he would've gotten off with a warning because the police don't kill white people, which is demonstrably false.

Nobody suggested white people don't get killed. The problem is what the data proves. Black and Hispanic people are shot and killed by police, in 2017, far far more often.

The suggestion stands. The likelihood of him being shot and killed by police, as a white person, is far lower than if he were black.

 

[poates6]

Suck a dick. How about that?

Spoiler

Really though, I'm joking about that but you making the assumption that what I posted can't be part of a "civil discussion" is part of the problem. It doesn't fit what YOU want to hear so you feel it's easiest to dismiss it. You could just as easily respond why you don't believe what I posted to be fair or accurate but is that too much of a challenge?

True colors. Thanks for showing them!

 

[dickerj]

That's obviously a problem and not what I was taking issue with. It's the suggestion that if Castile had been a white man, he would've gotten off with a warning because the police don't kill white people, which is demonstrably false.

How many of those white guys were just sitting behind the steering wheel with their family in the car? Just ballpark it for me.

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[ddot7]

More white people are killed by the police than any other group in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

That's obviously a problem and not what I was taking issue with. It's the suggestion that if Castile had been a white man, he would've gotten off with a warning because the police don't kill white people, which is demonstrably false.

You want to go through each one of those so we can compare apples to apples? I'm sure you can cherry pick a few instances where white people have been shot by police officers unjustifiably and it's sad no matter what. To be honest, I think that it happens too often regardless of race. I fully believe cops have a difficult job but I also fully believe that many (but far from all) tend to racially profile and assume that black men are threats whether it's justified or not. And in this instance, I don't see the justification and the cop's own words make me believe that to be true.

I never said that police don't kill white people, just that in these particular circumstances, where Philando Castile was not combative, calmly did what most of the pro-NRA crowd would most likely otherwise label as the "right thing" by identifying that he was in possession of a firearm, yet this dirtbag cop still assumed he was a threat. For no real and fair reason. And yes, I believe if people are willing to be objective and honest, if he was a Kappa Sigma dress like you most of you cornballs, he would've walked away with his life.

 

[ddot7]

True colors. Thanks for showing them!

I couldn't care less...

 

[johnnyfivealive]

How many of those white guys were just sitting behind the steering wheel with their family in the car? Just ballpark it for me.

I'll hang up and listen.

I don't know. That information doesn't seem to be listed with the data. Are you suggesting that white people aren't unjustly killed by the police?

 

[poates6]

"Didn't listen to instruction"? Lol. Come on man... The VICTIM was completely calm while he informed the officer that he had a gun without even being asked. Anybody with an IQ above 50 would know that he wasn't reaching for his gun (which is what he was instructed not to do). He was obviously "reaching" for his ID and/or CWP like any logical person would do simultaneously as they inform the officer that a weapon was in the car. Within a matter of 3 seconds the officer proceeds to unload his entire magazine in the car with a child in the backseat.

If he was so threatened and the VICTIM really appeared to be reaching for a weapon why did the cop on the other side of the car not even begin to reach for his weapon? He was staring inside the car the entire time watching everything and he didn't even come close to reaching for his weapon. Why didn't he feel threatened?

The car was pulled over for a freaking break light. The driver didn't show any signs that he didn't want to comply with the officer. He mentions he has a gun, is obviously nervous and instinctively wants to show the officer that he has a CWP (as he is being told not to reach for his GUN and says "I'm not pulling it out" in response). He didn't make any sudden movements or do anything else that would make somebody feel threatened.

I can watch that video and easily put myself in the VICTIM's shoes and see where I could zone out for a second as I get tunnel vision on trying to find my weapon permit. I can also put myself in the officer's shoes and say with confidence that I would use MUCH more restraint than that before deciding to end someone's life. This is just a fvcked up situation because of a spineless cop that panicked in a situation he should have been much better equipped to handle.

I'm not sure the video shows what the other cop could or couldn't see. How can you tell whether or not he makes sudden movements? I can't see inside the car from that video.

So you can easily put yourself in the victims shoes and claim tunnel vision. You also can put yourself in the officers shoes and believe you would show much more restraint. So in one case you can lose all track of reality becoming tunnel visioned on what you choose to focus on yet in the same situation you could show much more restraint? Seems interesting to me.

I agree that I would have hopefully shown much more restraint. That logic would have controlled my brain and realized the guy is calm, has informed me of a weapon, and therefore probably isn't intending to use it. I agree with all of those things.
I disagree with you on the tunnel vision. I've been in a car twice where the driver had a weapon (I was the driver in one instance) and was pulled over. You don't get tunnel vision there. You focus intently. At least I did and my friend did as well.

So how do we get more training for officers? How do we get everyone to respect officers and listen to instruction?

 

[jmh9713]

When's the last time someone pulled a gun on you? When's the last time someone told you they had a gun then didn't listen to instruction. He was stable before he believed his life to be in danger and then his response afterwards is completely expected for a stable individual that just did something horrific.

Throw all the stones you want from your high and mighty tower. We absolutely need better training for officers and for the public. We also need a higher quality/morality from everyone. Hence the come together and get better. But we probably won't because folks like you just want to cast blame from their ignorant arrogance.

You said come together. Judging by your response you could have put that a different way.

I thought you were making this a racial issue when in this case and a lot of others it is an incompetence issue.

For the record i have had one gun pointed at me in my lifetime. Just because you asked.

Point blank there has to be some type of protocol before anyone goes blasting. I know this happens fast, but this video seems like a complete panic situation where training and maintaining a level of composure would have helped.

 

[poates6]

I couldn't care less...

So if you were pulled over, told a cop you had a weapon, then disobeyed instruction what do you think happens to you? I don't know you, I don't know if you're a kappa sigma cornball or not. I don't know what "type" of person you are. So I'm asking, what would have happened to you?

How well do you know the officer in this situation? What's his background? Training? History on the force? I know you've said he was a dirtbag, and I believe other derogatory terms as well so you clearly know him well.

 

[poates6]

You said come together. Judging by your response you could have put that a different way.

I thought you were making this a racial issue when in this case and a lot of others it is an incompetence issue.

For the record i have had one gun pointed at me in my lifetime. Just because you asked.

Point blank there has to be some type of protocol before anyone goes blasting. I know this happens fast, but this video seems like a complete panic situation where training and maintaining a level of composure would have helped.

I agree on protocol and somehow confidence and training needs to be improved. I've had a gun pulled on me twice. I chose to de-escalate the situation because I was outnumbered both times. I don't know what I would have done had it been one on one. It's hard to say when your life is on the line. It's hard for me to cast judgement on someone who believed their life was on the line as well.

 

[grazhoppa]

This video does not alter my perception of the events. It fits the transcripts previously reported in the media. There is still a lot that cannot be seen in regards to what the officer saw (or thought he saw). The result is just as horrible as it was before. The image of the little boy jumping out of the car after his father had been shot makes my eyes tear up.

With that said, the moment when his girlfriends video feed cuts in occurs half a second after shots are fired. That makes no damn sense. She might be the one who got her boyfriend shot. A cop is telling the person next to you not to move his hands, and you reach for your phone? There is no way she is sober. What was Castile's state of mind? Too many questions we still cannot answer.

 

[jmh9713]

I'm not sure the video shows what the other cop could or couldn't see. How can you tell whether or not he makes sudden movements? I can't see inside the car from that video.

So you can easily put yourself in the victims shoes and claim tunnel vision. You also can put yourself in the officers shoes and believe you would show much more restraint. So in one case you can lose all track of reality becoming tunnel visioned on what you choose to focus on yet in the same situation you could show much more restraint? Seems interesting to me.

I agree that I would have hopefully shown much more restraint. That logic would have controlled my brain and realized the guy is calm, has informed me of a weapon, and therefore probably isn't intending to use it. I agree with all of those things.
I disagree with you on the tunnel vision. I've been in a car twice where the driver had a weapon (I was the driver in one instance) and was pulled over. You don't get tunnel vision there. You focus intently. At least I did and my friend did as well.

So how do we get more training for officers? How do we get everyone to respect officers and listen to instruction?

Officers need to be emotionally stable for one and be able to handle very intense situations without "accidentally" ending someones life. It takes a special kind of person to do that job.

I also think people are taking a risk when the openly or conceal carry. That ultimately ended this mans life.

 

[johnnyfivealive]

You want to go through each one of those so we can compare apples to apples? I'm sure you can cherry pick a few instances where white people have been shot by police officers unjustifiably and it's sad no matter what. To be honest, I think that it happens too often regardless of race. I fully believe cops have a difficult job but I also fully believe that many (but far from all) tend to racially profile and assume that black men are threats whether it's justified or not. And in this instance, I don't see the justification and the cop's own words make me believe that to be true.

I never said that police don't kill white people, just that in these particular circumstances, where Philando Castile was not combative, calmly did what most of the pro-NRA crowd would most likely otherwise label as the "right thing" by identifying that he was in possession of a firearm, yet this dirtbag cop still assumed he was a threat. For no real and fair reason. And yes, I believe if people are willing to be objective and honest, if he was a Kappa Sigma dress like you most of you cornballs, he would've walked away with his life.

I'm not saying this was a justified shooting, I actually think the officer was totally in the wrong and should be in jail FWIW.

 

[trich24]

I'm not sure the video shows what the other cop could or couldn't see. How can you tell whether or not he makes sudden movements? I can't see inside the car from that video.

So you can easily put yourself in the victims shoes and claim tunnel vision. You also can put yourself in the officers shoes and believe you would show much more restraint. So in one case you can lose all track of reality becoming tunnel visioned on what you choose to focus on yet in the same situation you could show much more restraint? Seems interesting to me.

I agree that I would have hopefully shown much more restraint. That logic would have controlled my brain and realized the guy is calm, has informed me of a weapon, and therefore probably isn't intending to use it. I agree with all of those things.
I disagree with you on the tunnel vision. I've been in a car twice where the driver had a weapon (I was the driver in one instance) and was pulled over. You don't get tunnel vision there. You focus intently. At least I did and my friend did as well.

So how do we get more training for officers? How do we get everyone to respect officers and listen to instruction?

What instruction did he not listen to? What did he do to make you think he didn't respect the officer? Yes, I could easily see how a regular citizen that just told an officer he had a gun (without being asked) would instinctively try to show said officer his permit to carry the weapon. I can also see how if the officer says "don't pull it out" when you are indeed not reaching for your gun that you assume you aren't doing anything wrong by continuing to try and show the officer your permit and informing him in a calm voice "I'm not pulling it out".

Regular, law abiding citizens aren't trained on "the perfect way to act" if they are pulled over. The man was calm, respectful and forthcoming. Police officers, however, are trained in how to deal with these situations and I hold their decision making to a higher standard. ESPECIALLY when that decision is to take someone's life with their family in the car after a 3 second dialogue. The officer never said "freeze, hands up or don't move". He was dead wrong.

 

[vinotiger]

The cop emptied an entire clip into him...

That's a pretty big clue in determining the cop's state of mind.

The more you know...

http://writingexplained.org/clip-vs-magazine-difference

 

[poates6]

Officers need to be emotionally stable for one and be able to handle very intense situations without "accidentally" ending someones life. It takes a special kind of person to do that job.

I also think people are taking a risk when the openly or conceal carry. That ultimately ended this mans life.

If we raise the wages of officers will it improve the candidate pool? I'm working on getting money for my city/county from the state to teach officers in aikido, and jiu jitsu. I believe the defensive mindset and conflict resolution with least amount of violence really increase an individuals confidence and ability to mentally work thru a situation.

I wish our state would legalize marijuana and tax it. Use the tax dollars (plus money we save on people being in jail for something that is now legal) to up the wages and training of officers. I really think it could be that easy at least on the officer side of things. Once they are better taught/trained and paid better these shooting will greatly decrease and therefor will help us as the public to respect and listen better.

 

[poates6]

What instruction did he not listen to? What did he do to make you think he didn't respect the officer? Yes, I could easily see how a regular citizen that just told an officer he had a gun (without being asked) would instinctively try to show said officer his permit to carry the weapon. I can also see how if the officer says "don't pull it out" when you are indeed not reaching for your gun that you assume you aren't doing anything wrong by continuing to try and show the officer your permit and informing him in a calm voice "I'm not pulling it out".

Regular, law abiding citizens aren't trained on "the perfect way to act" if they are pulled over. The man was calm, respectful and forthcoming. Police officers, however, are trained in how to deal with these situations and I hold their decision making to a higher standard. ESPECIALLY when that decision is to take someone's life with their family in the car after a 3 second dialogue. The officer never said "freeze, hands up or don't move". He was dead wrong.

This is only my experience as well as those that were in my class. I'm a regular law abiding citizen with a CWP. Part of my cwp class was a discussion or training on how to handle interaction with officers. That training specifically mentions not to reach your hands where an officer can't see once you've informed him of your firearm.

I'm different from you I guess. When a cop tells me to not reach for something or pull something out, I would stop reaching for something or pulling something out.

All that being said this shooting should never have happened. The kid in the backseat is heartbreaking. I can't imagine that. I can't imagine one of my sons going through that. I don't understand why the officer fired so quickly. I just don't think it's quite as cut and dry as you do.

 

[Steven15]

View embedded media

--"Broken tail lights"
--Licensed to carry
--2 cops on scene. Driver made primary cop aware of firearm in car (as he was probably taught to do)
--women and child in car
--cop fires off multiple shot in succession in what appears to happen in a panic

I don't know all the intimate details of the case but this video & audio alone is pretty damning. Just trying to figure out how/why did the jury come back with a not guilty (of manslaughter)?

Oh my. That cop should spend the next 20 years in a prison cell