He also wanted to shame Manchin and Sinema by forcing them to record their votes for posterity.
Nick Saban gets it
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Who allows people to print ballots themselves?
But also, I am a strong advocate for statewide vote by mail schemes. We have one in Colorado, it's incredibly effective at broadening access to the ballot box.
Making people request an absentee ballot every cycle is a barrier that accomplishes no real policy goal. What's the reason for this? States clean up their voting rolls already and it just isn't the case that a whole bunch of people are receiving ballots that are for others and voting using them. That's not happening, so why are we devising policy solution for a problem that's not real?
People should be able to vote easily and securely. Drop boxes help facilitate that. What's the problem with drop boxes that are monitored? In Colorado, overwhelmingly, people use drop boxes to return their ballots. It's easy and secure. Again, why are we making it harder to vote for no benefit?
FAKE NEWS related to any slowing down of the mail. Besides the dirty dems used trucks to transport tens of thousands of ballots across state lines among a lot of other dirty shit they pulled between 11/3 and 11/10.You're kidding right? Trump's unqualified mega-donor that he appointed to Postmaster General just in time to slow the mail down before the election?
Revealed: evidence shows huge mail slowdowns after Trump ally took over
Louis DeJoy’s policies, which he said were intended to boost efficiency, led to widespread outcry this summerwww.theguardian.com
Thats according to you. There are a hell of a lot of others that said rampant cheating occurred in your beloved state.
No no. That's according to actual facts rather than made up fantasy.
Where is your proof? You know a grainy picture of a truck on the GWP with a caption alleging fraud is not proof right Mr. Growls? How do you explain all these thousands of illegal votes all across the country that you've been breathlessly bellowing about for the last year and a half? Thousands of people would have to be in cahoots to pull off this fantasy heist with nobody slipping up for a second. Surely SOMEONE would blow the whistle right? Surely SOMEONE would step forward to claim the big rewards that have been offered for proof of voter fraud right?
I know you'll go down swinging with these moronic allegations but you just look stupid when after all this time, you can't even give us one name of any of these thousands of conspirators. I mean us Dems are pretty smart but we're not cotdamn wizards!
Get a friggin life PLEEZ!
Isn't printing the new rule, or proposed rule in CA?
A couple of things on all of this...
Remember that the constitution gives states the authority on this matter. We can wax on about what we "want" or "think" everyone should do, but the document that created the greatest country in the history of the world tells us who gets to decide. A reasonable person could suggest that people who do not pay net positive taxes shouldn't be allowed to cast a ballot that will lead to money being forcibly taken from another citizen and reallocated to themselves. But, we allow it because the constitution allows it.
The democrats are trying to change that document - and our system of government - in two ways: deciding voting policy at the federal level and removing the 60 vote threshold to pass legislation in the senate.
The shift in mail in balloting... As I have mentioned, I haven't followed all of these state bills. The only one I am familiar with is GA. Relative to non-pandemic elections, have these bills expanded or contracted mail-in voting? My understanding is that the GA bill expanded it.
That's a good thing, right?
Suppose it’s worth noting that a bipartisan majority rejected abolishing the filibuster, preserving the constitution’s legislative rules. So all of the discussion ITT is moot.
Amen Ms King!
justthenews.com
MLK niece Alveda King: Biden 'race baiting, playing the race card' with voting reform rhetoric
Chiding Democrats for sowing fear and pessimism, King said her uncle was "a man of faith, hope and love."
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I am pretty sure than both Manchin and Sinema have stated publicly that they support the voter rights legislation, just not abolishing the filibuster. So the voting rights discussion in this thread are very legitimate. Let's also remember that democratic senators represent 40MM more AMERICANS than republicans do.
The democrats are trying to protect our elections at a Federal level. The republicans are trying - and have already succeeded - at changing elections and suppressing votes at the state level. Just look at the article I posted in this thread - Lincoln County in GA tossed dems off the country election commission, then shut down 6 of 7 polling locations in a county with very little public transportation. The justification? COVID. Yikes.
And you keep saying that GA has expanded mail in voting. THAT IS NOT TRUE.
In 2005, the year that Republicans gained control of state government after decades of Democratic domination, HB 244 was a 59-page bill that contained nearly 70 revisions of state election code, including two major changes: adding a photo ID requirement for in-person voting and allowing Georgians to vote by mail without an excuse, and without an ID.
Fast forward to 2021: There has been no evidence of widespread fraud with absentee-by-mail voting and, until the 2018 governor’s race, the relative few voters that used absentee ballots skewed older, whiter and more Republican.
A record number of Georgians participated in the November general election thanks in part to expanded voting rules and procedures pushed by Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Demographic changes and a surge in automatic voter registrations have shifted statewide politics to razor-thin margins, and Democrats took advantage of no-excuse absentee voting to flip the state’s electoral votes and both U.S. Senate seats.
In other words... No excuse - No ID absentee ballots were OK when it was old white people using them. Now that minorities are using them, not so much.
You are worried about Lincoln County? LOL!! What about Fulton and Dekalb County and the highway robbery that occurred? What about the ballot harvesting all over the state that occurred? There is video evidence and an official investigation finally occurring now. What about the total lack of signature verification on the mass mail in votes? Cry me a fricking bucket of tears with the weak stuff you just threw out...LOL!!
Thank you for illustrating the problem so perfectly.
@scotchtiger - see what is happening here? tigergrowls - a GA resident and avatar for the current republican party - is not even denying the voter suppression currently happening in Lincoln County. He is using election lies that have been audited and disproven multiple times to justify the voter suppression.
Once you Trumpublicans failed to falsely overturn the last election, you immediately pivoted to focusing on how you could steal the next one.
Don't know enough about the Lincoln Co situation, but doesn't seem great on the surface. Those folks can still vote by mail with no excuse though, right?
Didn't know the GA history, thanks for sharing. So the bill simply added a very easy to achieve identification requirement to no-excuse mail voting. A requirement that seems to align with the democrat proposed federal legislation (ex. utility bill). I'm assuming - since the two pieces of legislation seem to be in agreement - that you and the democrat party agree with the GA bill's identification requirements?
"Republicans say they oppose the Freedom to Vote: John R. Lewis Act because it is an attempt on the part of Democrats to win elections in the future by “nationalizing” them, taking away the right of states to arrange their laws as they wish. Voting rights legislation is a “partisan power grab,” Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH) insists.
In fact, there is no constitutional ground for opposing the idea of Congress weighing in on federal elections. The U.S. Constitution establishes that “[t]he Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations.”
There is no historical reason to oppose the idea of voting rights legislation, either. Indeed, Congress weighed in on voting pretty dramatically in 1870, when it amended the Constitution itself for the fifteenth time to guarantee that “[t]he right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” In that same amendment, it provided that “[t]he Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
Also...
"In his speech in Harlem, Truman explained that “t is the duty of the State and local government to prevent such tragedies.” But, as he said in 1947, the federal government must “show the way.” We need not only “protection of the people against the Government, but protection of the people by the Government.”
Truman’s conversion came in the very early years of the Civil Rights Movement, which would soon become an intellectual, social, economic, and political movement conceived of and carried on by Black and Brown people and their allies in ways he could not have imagined in the 1940s.
But Truman laid a foundation for what came later. He recognized that a one-party state is not a democracy, that it enables the worst of us to torture and kill while the rest live in fear, and that “[t]he Constitutional guarantees of individual liberties and of equal protection under the laws clearly place on the Federal Government the duty to act when state or local authorities abridge or fail to protect these Constitutional rights.”
That was true in 1946, and it is just as true today."
January 16, 2022
Republicans say they oppose the Freedom to Vote: John R. Lewis Act because it is an attempt on the part of Democrats to win elections in the future by “nationalizing” them, taking away the right of states to arrange their laws as they wish. Voting rights legislation is a “partisan power grab,”...
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Georgia finishes re-check of absentee ballot signatures - No election fraud found
An audit of voter signatures on absentee ballot envelopes found zero cases of fraud among 15,000 reviewed, according to a report released by the Georgia secretary of state's office Tuesday.
Audit of Georgia absentee ballot signatures finds no fraud, secretary of state reports
Investigators who audited the signatures on more than 15,000 absentee ballot envelopes in one Georgia county found “no fraudulent absentee ballots,” according to the audit report. Secre…
www.chicagotribune.com
Why not? Are you waiting for GWP to tell you what to think?
So the bill simply added a very easy to achieve identification requirement to no-excuse mail voting.
Really? So lets take Lincoln County as an example. I looked it up, and in addition to having now one polling location, it also has one DMV. SO again, not exactly easy for someone without a license to go and get a picture ID. Not sure if you have been to a DMV recently, but if you can get there it aint exactly easy to do anything there.
So lets just call this what it is. Republicans are trying to make it harder for people to vote that likely wont vote for them. Can you really deny that statement at this point?
Will reply more thoroughly later. They don't need to go to a DMV. They can also use a utility bill, or even simply state their DOB and last 4 of their SSN. Literally zero effort to do the latter. It's wild that anyone sees that as a barrier, and amazing how incompetent you must think these people are.
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"Real issues?" What real issues are there. If you are an American citizen, not a felon, have registered to vote....you can vote. Pretty friggin' easy. If you are too stupid to figure out how to vote.....you shouldn't be voting anyway.
I think your information is wrong. At the very least they have to provide a voter ID card to vote. This is from the GA SOS website:
WHAT IDS ARE ACCEPTABLE?
- Any valid state or federal government issued photo ID, including a free ID Card issued by your county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS)
- A Georgia Driver's License, even if expired
- Valid employee photo ID from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
- Valid U.S. passport ID
- Valid U.S. military photo ID
- Valid tribal photo ID
GEORGIA'S VOTER IDENTIFICATION CARD
If you do not have one of the six acceptable forms of photo ID, the State of Georgia offers a free ID Card. An ID card can be issued at any county registrar's office or Department of Driver Services Office free of charge.To receive a voter identification card, the voter must provide:
- A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
- Documentation showing the voter's date of birth
- Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
- Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address
Im just saying we know where the numbers are that affected the election results and it was not Lincoln County.
That was not a legitimate audit and thats already been long conclusively established. That audit was like asking the fox who ate the chickens.Sigh
Georgia finishes re-check of absentee ballot signatures - No election fraud found
An audit of voter signatures on absentee ballot envelopes found zero cases of fraud among 15,000 reviewed, according to a report released by the Georgia secretary of state's office Tuesday.www.ajc.com
Audit of Georgia absentee ballot signatures finds no fraud, secretary of state reports
Investigators who audited the signatures on more than 15,000 absentee ballot envelopes in one Georgia county found “no fraudulent absentee ballots,” according to the audit report. Secre…
This is just a little part of what we are dealing with in Fulton County alone. This chick is like the State AG in NY who is seen on video before she was even elected guaranteeing to find any crime possible committed by Donald Trump.
We all know this is a joke btw. The call from Trump to Raffenspuke is public knowledge. This is like when they tried to perpetrate impeachment number 2.
BREAKING: Corrupt Fulton County DA Ignores Election Fraud, Instead Calls for Grand Jury to Investigate President Trump | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft
While ignoring mounds of election fraud, criminal and operational issues involved in the 2020 Election, Fulton County Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis has requested that the local Fulton County Court Chief open a grand jury to look into actions by President Trump related to her county...
www.thegatewaypundit.com
I’m certainly no expert, but here’s what I see:
- There was already an ID requirement in GA. This bill just extended it to absentee voting.
- Strait from the article below: When a voter returns an absentee ballot, he or she can also provide the last four digits of their Social Security number in place of an ID number.
- https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/georgia-voting-law-9-facts/#app
- Keep in mind, picture IDs are completely free and also a completely reasonable requirement for something like voting.
What I posted was directly from the GA SOS website. But it doesnt really matter.
If you are naive enough to believe that after the shellacking they just took that republicans are really trying to expand voting and make it easier for minorities to vote... yikes.
So the bill simply added a very easy to achieve identification requirement to no-excuse mail voting.
Poor example by choosing Lincoln County. You should look at the the total population 18+ years of age and compare to the number who voted in 2020. Also, President Trump had 68% of the vote. If you choose to do some research, you will see that this goes against your argument.
The disputed ballots in 2020 represent just 0.15% of Biden's victory margin in the contested states.
.15% of the victory margin let alone the actual electorate.
I didn’t say they were trying to make it easier for minorities to vote. It’s already easy.
You can’t argue with idiots. They make up their own narrative.
fact. If we make voting too easy for our citizens, republicans lose. Times are a changing. There is nothing less democratic than making it hard for your citizens to vote. Sad!
the opposite of Dabo in this regard. Saban knows that this is viewed as a racial inequality issue and wants to make sure he’s on the right side of it for recruits. Doubt he cares at all who votes
Tell us exactly how we need to make it easier for people to vote Einstein if you have the nads to come up with some story.
But again, we’re not making it hard for citizens to vote. That’s the whole crux of your position and it’s not true. It’s very very easy to vote.
The fact that you actually believe this is troubling. But i guess you need to convince your self that it true so you can go about your day to day.
