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No football in S.C. if....

He just said this at 9:34 PM on a Friday night?


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You can’t fix stupid. So few Americans want to do their simple patriotic duty and just either wear a damn mask or stay home. Thank goodness I’m a true patriot

You’ve never said anything more spot on than this. The non mask wearers in public indoor places are going to torpedo our football season. You all deserve to punched in the face.
 
I heard McMaster already has a new sign ready to be installed on the interstate when you drive in.

COVID 19
National Football Championship
2020
 
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Gamecock fans ripped up their masks today! Not gonna go 4-8. They like the COVID now
 
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I don’t know, but it won’t kill you to wear it for the next year if it means we have football. Oh and some lives will be saved as well.

I mean we are talking 20-30 minutes with a mask on a few times a week. It’s not some huge sacrifice and it’s not difficult.
Not disagreeing at all, just wanting to know what the end game is here.

A year is a long time, regardless of frequency.
 
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I don’t know, but it won’t kill you to wear it for the next year if it means we have football. Oh and some lives will be saved as well.

I mean we are talking 20-30 minutes with a mask on a few times a week. It’s not some huge sacrifice and it’s not difficult.

I wear a mask when in stores but let's be honest.

Wearing masks isnt going to get us out of this mess. It is a very small part of it. Large groups and big gatherings will need to be eliminated before we make headway.

Big house parties, huge groups interacting, idiots drinking in bars, etc. That is what is spiking the numbers, not grandma or average Joe heading to the store to pick up milk maskless.
 
I wear a mask when in stores but let's be honest.

Wearing masks isnt going to get us out of this mess. It is a very small part of it. Large groups and big gatherings will need to be eliminated before we make headway.

Big house parties, huge groups interacting, idiots drinking in bars, etc. That is what is spiking the numbers, not grandma or average Joe heading to the store to pick up milk maskless.

Even with all those other things, masks lower infection rate by a large percentage. The fact remains that not wearing masks is beyond idiotic.
 
So......we gonna tell these players that everyone has to wear a mask indoors.....in classrooms, team meetings, position meetings, film, etc etc........but rip off the mask and go practice and play????

This question is for those who preach that people who don’t wear masks will cause football to not be played

People - if society can’t function without masks, we ain’t having football.

As soon as the masks come off again, it will spread again. Doesn’t matter WHEN that happens. Masks do slow spread. But they don’t eliminate the virus.

we are probably going to be in a start/stop pattern until vaccine (and it still looks like that is a LONG ways off). And since governments saw what happened to economy with the shutdowns, they will do everything possible to avoid those again. Which means we will be stuck in this pattern of spikes for too long. Which also means amateur sports is not happening

The only way we have sports this fall is for an entire shutdown for several weeks and have everyone shelter in place. Give the virus no hosts, hope it dies off. And that is not an option. Governments won’t go there again

Studies are showing this thing has mutated and is now MORE infectious.
 
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Here is the article on mutation (and Fauci also discussed this yesterday):


Study confirms new version of coronavirus spreads faster, but doesn't make people sicker

A global study has found strong evidence that a new form of the coronavirus has spread from Europe to the US. The new mutation makes the virus more likely to infect people but does not seem to make them any sicker than earlier variations of the virus, an international team of researchers reported Thursday.

"It is now the dominant form infecting people," Erica Ollmann Saphire of the La Jolla Institute for Immunology and the Coronavirus Immunotherapy Consortium, who worked on the study, told CNN.

"This is now the virus."

The study, published in the journal Cell, builds on some earlier work the team did that was released on a preprint server earlier in the year. Shared information on genetic sequences had indicated that a certain mutant version of the virus was taking over.

Now the team has not only checked more genetic sequences, but they have also run experiments involving people, animals and cells in lab dishes that show the mutated version is more common and that it's more infectious than other versions.

"We do know that the new virus is fitter. It doesn't look at first glance as if it is worse," Saphire said.

The mutation affects the spike protein -- the structure the virus uses to get into the cells it infects. Now the researchers are checking to see whether this affects whether the virus can be controlled by a vaccine. Current vaccines being tested mostly target the spike protein, but they were made using older strains of the virus.

The study, published in the journal Cell, confirms earlier work suggesting the mutation had made the new variant of virus more common. The researchers call the new mutation G614, and they show that it has almost completely replaced the first version to spread in Europe and the US, one called D614.

No effect on patient survival

"Our global tracking data show that the G614 variant in Spike has spread faster than D614," theoretical biologist Bette Korber of Los Alamos National Laboratory and colleagues wrote in their report. "We interpret this to mean that the virus is likely to be more infectious," they added. "Interestingly, we did not find evidence of G614 impact on disease severity."

This could be good news, said Lawrence Young, a professor of medical oncology at the UK's University of Warwick, who was not involved in the study.

"The current work suggests that while the G614 variant may be more infectious, it is not more pathogenic. There is a hope that as SARS-CoV-2 infection spreads, the virus might become less pathogenic," he said in a statement.

The team tested samples taken from patients across Europe and the US and sequenced the genomes. They compared these genome sequences to what's been shared publicly. Comparing these sequences helped them draw a map of the spread of the two forms.

"Through March 1, 2020, the G614 variant was rare outside of Europe, but the end of March it had increased in frequency worldwide," they wrote.

Even when the D614 form had caused widespread epidemics, in places such as Wales and Nottingham in England, as well as in Washington state, G614 took over once it appeared, they found.

"The increase in G614 frequency often continues well after stay-at-home orders are in place and past the subsequent two-week incubation period," they added. There are a few exceptions, including the Santa Clara, California, area and Iceland, where the older, D614 form was never replaced by the newer, G variant.

Three to nine times more infectious

The new version seems to multiply faster in the upper respiratory tract -- the nose, sinuses and throat -- which would explain why it passes around more easily, the researchers said.

But tests on 1,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients in Britain showed those infected with the new version did not fare any worse than those who caught the original strain.

David Montefiore of Duke University and colleagues tested the virus in the lab. "We were able to test whether the G form of the virus was more infectious than the D form," Montefiore, director of the Laboratory for AIDS Vaccine Research and Development, told CNN.

"All the results agreed that the G form was three to nine times more infectious than the D form," he added. "We now had experimental evidence that supported, in part, what Bette was seeing in her analysis of the sequences across the globe -- the G form had a fitness advantage in terms of infectivity."

The lab tests of the virus in action confirmed what the genetic maps had shown.

"These findings suggest that the newer form of the virus may be even more readily transmitted than the original form. Whether or not that conclusion is ultimately confirmed, it highlights the value of what were already good ideas: to wear masks and to maintain social distancing," Korber said in a statement.

Other mutations often go along with the G614 mutation, but it's not clear what effect they have. "The earliest sequence we detected that carried all four mutations was sampled in Italy on Feb. 20," they wrote. "Within days, this haplotype was sampled in many countries in Europe."

The G614 mutation can be neutralized by convalescent serum -- the blood product taken from people who have recovered from a coronavirus infection, Saphire said. Her team tested blood donated by six coronavirus survivors in San Diego.

"We looked to see whether the range of antibodies in the blood of the people was just as effective at neutralizing the new virus as the old virus and it was. It was, in fact, a little better," she said.

"That was a relief."

The researchers had worried that if the new mutation made the virus grow faster and to higher levels, it would take more immune system effort to neutralize it. "In these six San Diegans, that wasn't the case," Saphire said.

More work is needed, of course, to solidify the findings and to see what the changes mean for the epidemic and for patients, the researchers said.

"There are potential consequences for the vaccines. We are actively investigating those possible consequences," Montefiore said.

And, of course, they're keeping an eye out for other mutations. "We might have dodged a bullet with this particular mutation, Saphire said. "However, that is not to say that another mutation couldn't come on top of this one," she added.

"It would behoove us to remain vigilant."
 
Here is the article on mutation (and Fauci also discussed this yesterday):


Study confirms new version of coronavirus spreads faster, but doesn't make people sicker

A global study has found strong evidence that a new form of the coronavirus has spread from Europe to the US. The new mutation makes the virus more likely to infect people but does not seem to make them any sicker than earlier variations of the virus, an international team of researchers reported Thursday.

"It is now the dominant form infecting people," Erica Ollmann Saphire of the La Jolla Institute for Immunology and the Coronavirus Immunotherapy Consortium, who worked on the study, told CNN.

"This is now the virus."

The study, published in the journal Cell, builds on some earlier work the team did that was released on a preprint server earlier in the year. Shared information on genetic sequences had indicated that a certain mutant version of the virus was taking over.

Now the team has not only checked more genetic sequences, but they have also run experiments involving people, animals and cells in lab dishes that show the mutated version is more common and that it's more infectious than other versions.

"We do know that the new virus is fitter. It doesn't look at first glance as if it is worse," Saphire said.

The mutation affects the spike protein -- the structure the virus uses to get into the cells it infects. Now the researchers are checking to see whether this affects whether the virus can be controlled by a vaccine. Current vaccines being tested mostly target the spike protein, but they were made using older strains of the virus.

The study, published in the journal Cell, confirms earlier work suggesting the mutation had made the new variant of virus more common. The researchers call the new mutation G614, and they show that it has almost completely replaced the first version to spread in Europe and the US, one called D614.

No effect on patient survival

"Our global tracking data show that the G614 variant in Spike has spread faster than D614," theoretical biologist Bette Korber of Los Alamos National Laboratory and colleagues wrote in their report. "We interpret this to mean that the virus is likely to be more infectious," they added. "Interestingly, we did not find evidence of G614 impact on disease severity."

This could be good news, said Lawrence Young, a professor of medical oncology at the UK's University of Warwick, who was not involved in the study.

"The current work suggests that while the G614 variant may be more infectious, it is not more pathogenic. There is a hope that as SARS-CoV-2 infection spreads, the virus might become less pathogenic," he said in a statement.

The team tested samples taken from patients across Europe and the US and sequenced the genomes. They compared these genome sequences to what's been shared publicly. Comparing these sequences helped them draw a map of the spread of the two forms.

"Through March 1, 2020, the G614 variant was rare outside of Europe, but the end of March it had increased in frequency worldwide," they wrote.

Even when the D614 form had caused widespread epidemics, in places such as Wales and Nottingham in England, as well as in Washington state, G614 took over once it appeared, they found.

"The increase in G614 frequency often continues well after stay-at-home orders are in place and past the subsequent two-week incubation period," they added. There are a few exceptions, including the Santa Clara, California, area and Iceland, where the older, D614 form was never replaced by the newer, G variant.

Three to nine times more infectious

The new version seems to multiply faster in the upper respiratory tract -- the nose, sinuses and throat -- which would explain why it passes around more easily, the researchers said.

But tests on 1,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients in Britain showed those infected with the new version did not fare any worse than those who caught the original strain.

David Montefiore of Duke University and colleagues tested the virus in the lab. "We were able to test whether the G form of the virus was more infectious than the D form," Montefiore, director of the Laboratory for AIDS Vaccine Research and Development, told CNN.

"All the results agreed that the G form was three to nine times more infectious than the D form," he added. "We now had experimental evidence that supported, in part, what Bette was seeing in her analysis of the sequences across the globe -- the G form had a fitness advantage in terms of infectivity."

The lab tests of the virus in action confirmed what the genetic maps had shown.

"These findings suggest that the newer form of the virus may be even more readily transmitted than the original form. Whether or not that conclusion is ultimately confirmed, it highlights the value of what were already good ideas: to wear masks and to maintain social distancing," Korber said in a statement.

Other mutations often go along with the G614 mutation, but it's not clear what effect they have. "The earliest sequence we detected that carried all four mutations was sampled in Italy on Feb. 20," they wrote. "Within days, this haplotype was sampled in many countries in Europe."

The G614 mutation can be neutralized by convalescent serum -- the blood product taken from people who have recovered from a coronavirus infection, Saphire said. Her team tested blood donated by six coronavirus survivors in San Diego.

"We looked to see whether the range of antibodies in the blood of the people was just as effective at neutralizing the new virus as the old virus and it was. It was, in fact, a little better," she said.

"That was a relief."

The researchers had worried that if the new mutation made the virus grow faster and to higher levels, it would take more immune system effort to neutralize it. "In these six San Diegans, that wasn't the case," Saphire said.

More work is needed, of course, to solidify the findings and to see what the changes mean for the epidemic and for patients, the researchers said.

"There are potential consequences for the vaccines. We are actively investigating those possible consequences," Montefiore said.

And, of course, they're keeping an eye out for other mutations. "We might have dodged a bullet with this particular mutation, Saphire said. "However, that is not to say that another mutation couldn't come on top of this one," she added.

"It would behoove us to remain vigilant."
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this article really just explains why the European version of the virus spreads more readily. It’s been known for some time that the European version was a mutation of the original Wuhan version and that it spread more readily. It’s why the US has such a high spread rate. I don’t think it’s a recent development.
 
Another mutation article (maybe addresses above question):


SUPERVIRUS?

Fauci: The Coronavirus May Have Mutated to Be More Infectious

“The data is showing there’s a single mutation that makes the virus be able to replicate better and maybe have high viral loads,” he said Thursday.

During its rapid spread throughout the world, the new coronavirus may have mutated into a more infectious version of itself, Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an interview Thursday. The head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said, “The data is showing there’s a single mutation that makes the virus be able to replicate better and maybe have high viral loads. We don’t have a connection to whether an individual does worse with this or not; it just seems that the virus replicates better and may be more transmissible.” Though multiple studies have documented the mutation, it is not a certainty that COVID-19 will spread faster or become more deadly—“there’s a little dispute about it,” Fauci added.
 
Idea!
Since we let the Panthers use Death Valley for their franchise opening, would it be appropriate to use Bank of American stadium for compensation?
...I'm a solutions gal, it's wat i does
 
So......we gonna tell these players that everyone has to wear a mask indoors.....in classrooms, team meetings, position meetings, film, etc etc........but rip off the mask and go practice and play????

This question is for those who preach that people who don’t wear masks will cause football to not be played

People - if society can’t function without masks, we ain’t having football.

As soon as the masks come off again, it will spread again. Doesn’t matter WHEN that happens. Masks do slow spread. But they don’t eliminate the virus.

we are probably going to be in a start/stop pattern until vaccine (and it still looks like that is a LONG ways off). And since governments saw what happened to economy with the shutdowns, they will do everything possible to avoid those again. Which means we will be stuck in this pattern of spikes for too long. Which also means amateur sports is not happening

The only way we have sports this fall is for an entire shutdown for several weeks and have everyone shelter in place. Give the virus no hosts, hope it dies off. And that is not an option. Governments won’t go there again

Studies are showing this thing has mutated and is now MORE infectious.

No dude. Masks only need to be worn indoors. Last I checked football was outdoors.

All we need is for people to act responsibly for the next few weeks/months and wear masks indoors in public while doing their best to socially distance. That cuts the infection rate down by a large percentage. It’s pretty simple.
 
So......we gonna tell these players that everyone has to wear a mask indoors.....in classrooms, team meetings, position meetings, film, etc etc........but rip off the mask and go practice and play????

This question is for those who preach that people who don’t wear masks will cause football to not be played

People - if society can’t function without masks, we ain’t having football.

As soon as the masks come off again, it will spread again. Doesn’t matter WHEN that happens. Masks do slow spread. But they don’t eliminate the virus.

we are probably going to be in a start/stop pattern until vaccine (and it still looks like that is a LONG ways off). And since governments saw what happened to economy with the shutdowns, they will do everything possible to avoid those again. Which means we will be stuck in this pattern of spikes for too long. Which also means amateur sports is not happening

The only way we have sports this fall is for an entire shutdown for several weeks and have everyone shelter in place. Give the virus no hosts, hope it dies off. And that is not an option. Governments won’t go there again

Studies are showing this thing has mutated and is now MORE infectious.
It’s difficult to accept but you’re 100% right
 
No dude. Masks only need to be worn indoors. Last I checked football was outdoors.

All we need is for people to act responsibly for the next few weeks/months and wear masks indoors in public while doing their best to socially distance. That cuts the infection rate down by a large percentage. It’s pretty simple.
you got a link to the fact that playing a sport where you are literally on top of each other and sweating and bleeding at times doesnt pose a threat because it's outdoors?
 
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No dude. Masks only need to be worn indoors. Last I checked football was outdoors.

All we need is for people to act responsibly for the next few weeks/months and wear masks indoors in public while doing their best to socially distance. That cuts the infection rate down by a large percentage. It’s pretty simple.
I agree with you that everyone should wear a mask indoors but football games are outdoors, most everything else is indoors. Hell most practices occur in the indoor practice facility. Then there’s the weight room, dining halls, film rooms, locker room, treatment room, etc. Point is, there’s a lot of indoor activities associated with operating a football program.

And we’re going to have to tell the players, the amateur athletes who aren’t getting paid, one of 2 things, neither of which makes much sense logically:
1. This virus is serious enough that it requires everyone else to wear masks indoors. But you don’t have to do that Football Team, nobody’s worried about you getting it.
2. This virus is serious enough that it requires everyone to wear masks indoors, and that includes you Football Team. But the second you get outside you can be face to face, chest to chest, shoulder to shoulder with dozens of other people for an extended period of time. You can also transfer as much sweat, spit, and blood as you want to, but it’ll be fine you won’t get infected
 
Another mutation article (maybe addresses above question):


SUPERVIRUS?

Fauci: The Coronavirus May Have Mutated to Be More Infectious

“The data is showing there’s a single mutation that makes the virus be able to replicate better and maybe have high viral loads,” he said Thursday.

During its rapid spread throughout the world, the new coronavirus may have mutated into a more infectious version of itself, Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an interview Thursday. The head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said, “The data is showing there’s a single mutation that makes the virus be able to replicate better and maybe have high viral loads. We don’t have a connection to whether an individual does worse with this or not; it just seems that the virus replicates better and may be more transmissible.” Though multiple studies have documented the mutation, it is not a certainty that COVID-19 will spread faster or become more deadly—“there’s a little dispute about it,” Fauci added.
You keep quoting Fauci but he changes his mind every week. Remember when he used to say, that mask don’t help.
 
When given an opportunity to prove their patriotism, conservatives instead showed that their constant complaining about “freedom” was fueled by their desire to be selfish assholes. When we don’t have football, it will largely be due to all of the asinine people who are so lazy that they refuse to wear a mask.
 
You keep quoting Fauci but he changes his mind every week. Remember when he used to say, that mask don’t help.

Im not necessarily trying to quote anyone. I just post newsworthy articles as I think they are pertinent. Ive copied both positive and negative articles for couple months

and yes, ideas and thoughts are changing and evolving as more info/data is available.

Think everyone, not just TI members, need to keep in mind all of this changes daily, and sometimes at warp speed

soooooo many unknowns still
 
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