OK, one of the avid Trump supporters please explain this Jared Kushner quote to me...

[mskoonce]

Kushner said yesterday regarding the federal stockpile of supplies - "The notion of the federal stockpile was its supposed to be our stockpile. Its not supposed to be the states stockpile that they then use."

First of all, who is the "our" referring to? Is it not the states and the people that make up the United States of America?

Second, the Strategic National Supply website says "When state, local, tribal and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicine and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency." It's in their damn Mission Statement for crying out loud!

This is not a flame or trying to provoke an argument. Its a legitimate question because this is absolutely infuriating to me. I'm lucky right now that North Carolina is not being overwhelmed like NY, MI and LA are. But if/when it is, I dont want to hear crap like this from that guy or anyone with the federal government.

 

[jmh9713]

Kushner said yesterday regarding the federal stockpile of supplies - "The notion of the federal stockpile was its supposed to be our stockpile. Its not supposed to be the states stockpile that they then use."

First of all, who is the "our" referring to? Is it not the states and the people that make up the United States of America?

Second, the Strategic National Supply website says "When state, local, tribal and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicine and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency." It's in their damn Mission Statement for crying out loud!

This is not a flame or trying to provoke an argument. Its a legitimate question because this is absolutely infuriating to me. I'm lucky right now that North Carolina is not being overwhelmed like NY, MI and LA are. But if/when it is, I dont want to hear crap like this from that guy or anyone with the federal government.

Our = entire nation - all 50 states. I imagine he is referencing Cuomo trying to take most of the countrys stockpile

As to your second point we are essentially having to ration so the point he made is valid.
He is referring to collectively rationing for entire nation. We cannot have New York take every supply we have while other states hit their peaks at later dates with nothing left.

And this thread is definitely going to blow up. Congrats

This is just my guess

 

[Daytontiger]

 

[mskoonce]

Our = entire nation - all 50 states. I imagine he is referencing Cuomo trying to take most of the countrys stockpile

As to your second point we are essentially having to ration so the point he made is valid.
He is referring to collectively rationing for entire nation. We cannot have New York take every supply we have while other states hit their peaks at later dates with nothing left.

And this thread is definitely going to blow up. Congrats

This is just my guess

But shouldnt the supplies be sent to those that need it during an emergency? That is part of the goal of all of this social distancing/stay at home orders - to postpone the peak so we can better deal with it. Are we reserving North Dakota's supplies for when they are potentially needed there? I thought you would send it to who needs it now, meanwhile the federal government is actively procuring more all of the time to help future emergency needs that will pop up in other states?

And I really feel like you spun that quote to say what you wanted it to say because he clearly said "Its not supposed to be the states stockpile that they then use."

Lastly, why are we rationing these supplies when the President has consistently said we have them or will get them very soon? Very mixed messaging at the very least.

I get it, its a rapidly evolving situation but it shouldnt be like this.

 

[nsp1996]

Our = entire nation - all 50 states. I imagine he is referencing Cuomo trying to take most of the countrys stockpile

As to your second point we are essentially having to ration so the point he made is valid.
He is referring to collectively rationing for entire nation. We cannot have New York take every supply we have while other states hit their peaks at later dates with nothing left.

And this thread is definitely going to blow up. Congrats

This is just my guess

That's the way I took it.

The State maximizes (prioritizes)for the State, the Federal Level maximizes (Prioritizes) for the Nation.

What that means is that right now NOBODY is going to have everything that they want or think that they might need. New York is going to be in state of, "we are close to running out," so that we don't have someplace else say, "we ran out" ...while NY now has a large pile of unused resources.

This is a serious situation. It will get fixed, but its not going to be instantaneous.

 

[mskoonce]

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@Daytontiger I guess I should say "the website/mission statement USED to say..."

 

[mskoonce]

That's the way I took it.

The State maximizes (prioritizes)for the State, the Federal Level maximizes (Prioritizes) for the Nation.

What that means is that right now NOBODY is going to have everything that they want or think that they might need. New York is going to be in state of, "we are close to running out," so that we don't have someplace else say, "we ran out" ...while NY now has a large pile of unused resources.

This is a serious situation. It will get fixed, but its not going to be instantaneous.

I hear what you are saying, but why keep saying for weeks that we have or soon will have everything we need and its under control? And why have they kept pushing the idea that this is the states problem to acquire the needed stuff?

Again, I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to understand but this doesnt make any sense to me.

 

[nsp1996]

Lastly, why are we rationing these supplies when the President has consistently said we have them or will get them very soon? Very mixed messaging at the very least.

I'm not speaking for Trump, but man you have to project confidence and hope if you are the Man. If you can't even do that, what about all the people who are actually doing the fighting in the mud? You have to give people something to hold on to to fight a little longer, to endure. You give them Hope. Otherwise they give up and then the worst really happens. Meanwhile you do what you can to actually help them.

It's just like patient in ICU, do all the nurses and doctors tell him that they are probably going to die and it's pretty much useless to hope for better, or do they tell them to "hang on" while they fight like hell to save them.

 

[nsp1996]

I hear what you are saying, but why keep saying for weeks that we have or soon will have everything we need and its under control? And why have they kept pushing the idea that this is the states problem to acquire the needed stuff?

Again, I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to understand but this doesnt make any sense to me.

The situation changed.

I've been in situations where I've told people one thing and then came back later and told them something different (worse). You could say that I "lied", but that would be incorrect. I said what I said based upon the knowledge that I had at the time. I had to make assumptions and maybe I understood some things to be facts. I told the Truth as I knew it. Then I came back later and contradicted what I first said. Why? To paraphrase a saying that I heard many times in the Army... "I didn't lie to you, however the truth has now changed."

I'm trying to keep this apolitical, because I think this situation is way beyond politics.

I honestly believe that he didn't think that it would get as bad as it did as fast as it did. Remember he has a whole gaggle of people/entities in his ear. There are the people who are saying, this is like the Flu, others in the middle saying, it could be bad like H1N1, and others saying MILLIONS will DIE and there is nothing that we can do to stop it!!!! He has to make sense of it all and then choose his approach. While being mindful that his words can/do impact the us economy and the world.

Not saying everything the admin did was/is perfect, but this is an unprecedented situation that no administration could handle perfectly . Deep down, all those chirping at Trump are glad that they aren't President right now.

 

[mskoonce]

Is there not a middle ground there? They have basically insinuated that supplies are being hoarded or are downright disappearing. NY has consistently been projecting what was coming and the numbers have met or exceeded those projections.

 

[nsp1996]

Crap, I didn't respond to your other point.

We are a Republic. States have responsibilities. The State Governor is de facto "President" of the State. Each State has a responsibility to do for themselves. Cross level within, engage with private industry etc. There also exist compacts between states to aid each other during times of crisis (fed government has nothing to do with those agreements).

I think the point is... States need to do as much for themselves as they can BEFORE asking the Federal for help.

 

[mskoonce]

The situation changed.

I've been in situations where I've told people one thing and then came back later and told them something different (worse). You could say that I "lied", but that would be incorrect. I said what I said based upon the knowledge that I had at the time. I had to make assumptions and maybe I understood some things to be facts. I told the Truth as I knew it. Then I came back later and contradicted what I first said. Why? To paraphrase a saying that I heard many times in the Army... "I didn't lie to you, however the truth has now changed."

I'm trying to keep this apolitical, because I think this situation is way beyond politics.

I honestly believe that he didn't think that it would get as bad as it did as fast as it did. Remember he has a whole gaggle of people/entities in his ear. There are the people who are saying, this is like the Flu, others in the middle saying, it could be bad like H1N1, and others saying MILLIONS will DIE and there is nothing that we can do to stop it!!!! He has to make sense of it all and then choose his approach. While being mindful that his words can/do impact the us economy and the world.

Not saying everything the admin did was/is perfect, but this is an unprecedented situation that no administration could handle perfectly . Deep down, all those chirping at Trump are glad that they aren't President right now.

Definitely the most rational and well thought out response I’ve heard about the entire situation. I don’t agree with every single point but I definitely think it is pretty accurate

 

[nsp1996]

Is there not a middle ground there? They have basically insinuated that supplies are being hoarded or are downright disappearing. NY has consistently been projecting what was coming and the numbers have met or exceeded those projections.

I think that there were instances of that. Regarding projections. I can't dispute your statement nor do I want to. I'm going to go back to fact that resources are scarce. I'm going to go back to a military example, I may be on the radio urgently requesting something... I may not be wrong. However the answer may be, "wait" . Someone above me with a bigger picture and different information is making a call to withold it for some period of time until he has a better handle on things and can ensure that sending me what I want ensures the greatest good.

Look, i think that a 9/11 style commission needs to be stood up after this is over. But you can't do it while you are in the middle of the fight.

 

[nsp1996]

Definitely the most rational and well thought out response I’ve heard about the entire situation. I don’t agree with every single point but I definitely think it is pretty accurate

I actually misspoke. It could be "the situation changed" or "the perception of the situation changed"... either way it the same to the receivers of the info.

 

[CUFam98]

I hear what you are saying, but why keep saying for weeks that we have or soon will have everything we need and its under control? And why have they kept pushing the idea that this is the states problem to acquire the needed stuff?

Again, I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to understand but this doesnt make any sense to me.

I'm "in the business" and I'm not sure I've ever known the exact intent and extent of the "national stockpile." I always assumed it was more military resources that could be accessed in an emergency. Not necessarily a Granger Catalog to request what you need from shelves and shelves of PPE.

I can speak somewhat intelligently to the situation in Georgia. There was a bunch of money after 9/11 and then again during the ebola crisis that went to states to set up their own emergency and disaster planning stockpiles (and disaster planning/disaster tools in general). Georgia is broken up into public health regions and a coordinating hospital. That region and regional hospital accepts supplies from the state and stores them for other public health areas in that region. There are contracts among the groups in that region and outside of the region as well. Many of these items have a shelf life so you take and replenish to make sure the inventory isn't expired.

This system works very well, but there isn't an emergency that has hit every region in the state before...and by extension every state too. It works very well during hurricanes and regional disasters. Georgia coordinates well with SC, Fla and Alabama too.

 

[Tiger1425]

Everything you need to know about Kushner is on Dirty Money on Netflix. Real jerk. And his daddy is too.

 

[orangelvis]

Our = entire nation - all 50 states. I imagine he is referencing Cuomo trying to take most of the countrys stockpile

As to your second point we are essentially having to ration so the point he made is valid.
He is referring to collectively rationing for entire nation. We cannot have New York take every supply we have while other states hit their peaks at later dates with nothing left.

And this thread is definitely going to blow up. Congrats

This is just my guess

If you were guessing, you were spot on. Cuomo is a dumbass and is trying to project his own shortcomings on other, mainly Trump.

 

[mskoonce]

I find it hard to believe that anyone looking at this situation remotely impartially would come to this conclusion. Your mind was made up before this happened and nothing will ever change it.

 

[other1]

If you were guessing, you were spot on. Cuomo is a dumbass and is trying to project his own shortcomings on other, mainly Trump.

I bet Cuomo never said the virus was a Democratic hoax and everything was under control. I think someones shortcomings are a hell of a lot more obvious than Cuomo's

 

[nsp1996]

I find it hard to believe that anyone looking at this situation remotely impartially would come to this conclusion. Your mind was made up before this happened and nothing will ever change it.

IMHO Trump has not done everything perfectly. Is it your postion that Cuomo has no shortcomings?

 

[nsp1996]

I bet Cuomo never said the virus was a Democratic hoax and everything was under control. I think someones shortcomings are a hell of a lot more obvious than Cuomo's

Yes, you have the talking point correct. If I had a gold star sticker to give you I would. .

Trump did not call the virus a hoax. He called the coverage the new hoax. I know your daddies on CNN will tell you something different, so I'm not going to try and change your mind, but please, some of us are actually attempting to have an adult conversation in this thread.

 

[mskoonce]

IMHO Trump has not done everything perfectly. Is it your postion that Cuomo has no shortcomings?

Absolutely not. I just think he has been more on top of it and more consistent in his messaging. Plenty of blame to go around and I hope your idea of a bipartisan commission to look at what happened after this passes comes to fruition.

 

[nsp1996]

Absolutely not. I just think he has been more on top of it and more consistent in his messaging. Plenty of blame to go around and I hope your idea of a bipartisan commission to look at what happened after this passes comes to fruition.

Thx for the response.

Of course a "bipartisan" commission will happen. And, it will be partisan. Sadly, because we have very few true patriots left in this country. Anyone with half a brain should know this.

However, hopefully it will be good enough. As someone who leans right, I am afraid that we will not get it right. America first, strong borders etc will still be portrayed as "racist" and globalism as a convenient political ideology will rule. Globalism is not the solution to a future pandemic.

Re: Cuomo. No doubt he was more consistent with his messaging initially (much better than Trump), however Trump has been very consistent recently.

Could messaging success be different than concrete actions? I think so. Do you agree? Should a State governor be scrutinized for preparations and initial response and held responsible for this pandemic in the same manner as the federal executive branch?

 

[mskoonce]

I think you are on to something about preparing for stuff like this, and it falls on everyone- Federal, state, local and even hospitals/institutions . Problem is nobody wants to pay for it. Hospitals try to keep inventory low so they can be profitable. Governments constantly cut budgets for future preparedness so they can lower taxes or spend on more immediate needs.

I’m afraid only the Federal government is big enough to handle something like this though. It should be discussed and planned for though.

 

[nsp1996]

I think you are on to something about preparing for stuff like this, and it falls on everyone- Federal, state, local and even hospitals/institutions . Problem is nobody wants to pay for it. Hospitals try to keep inventory low so they can be profitable. Governments constantly cut budgets for future preparedness so they can lower taxes or spend on more immediate needs.

I’m afraid only the Federal government is big enough to handle something like this though. It should be discussed and planned for though.

Oh, a slippery slope. Once upon a time our Republic was referred to by citizens as, "These United States." A Republic of sovereign states formed into a nation by men who had a deep seated distrust for an all-powerful central government. What about now? "The United States" . We have fallen so far.

 

[firegiver]

Thx for the response.

Of course a "bipartisan" commission will happen. And, it will be partisan. Sadly, because we have very few true patriots left in this country. Anyone with half a brain should know this.

However, hopefully it will be good enough. As someone who leans right, I am afraid that we will not get it right. America first, strong borders etc will still be portrayed as "racist" and globalism as a convenient political ideology will rule. Globalism is not the solution to a future pandemic.

Re: Cuomo. No doubt he was more consistent with his messaging initially (much better than Trump), however Trump has been very consistent recently.

Could messaging success be different than concrete actions? I think so. Do you agree? Should a State governor be scrutinized for preparations and initial response and held responsible for this pandemic in the same manner as the federal executive branch?

Cowardice about intent isn't helpful when an actual serious effort is needed. People should do the right thing when the right thing is needed not concerning themselves with how it looks. Donald Trump cares so much about how he is portrayed that he completely screwed up his messaging on this threat to the point where his supporters called the thing a hoax and didn't believe it and MADE it partisan. Because ANY bad news during the Trump presidency is partisan apparently.
The executive branch should have acted more quickly based on the intel they had, but they didn't. Even if they had they dismantled their own pandemic team. Even if that still existed they lapsed the contract to keep large cache's of ventilators in working order. It's kind of a perfect storm of poor decisions and leadership exposed. I'm not surprised though that some 'REAL AMERICANS' remain so loyal in spite of these facts.
I don't really blame Trump though, he's the dog that caught the car.

 

[nsp1996]

Cowardice about intent isn't helpful when an actual serious effort is needed. People should do the right thing when the right thing is needed not concerning themselves with how it looks. Donald Trump cares so much about how he is portrayed that he completely screwed up his messaging on this threat to the point where his supporters called the thing a hoax and didn't believe it and MADE it partisan. Because ANY bad news during the Trump presidency is partisan apparently.
The executive branch should have acted more quickly based on the intel they had, but they didn't. Even if they had they dismantled their own pandemic team. Even if that still existed they lapsed the contract to keep large cache's of ventilators in working order. It's kind of a perfect storm of poor decisions and leadership exposed. I'm not surprised though that some 'REAL AMERICANS' remain so loyal in spite of these facts.
I don't really blame Trump though, he's the dog that caught the car.

So much to unpack. In no particular order... no, they didn't dismantle the pandemic team. I hear a bunch of your opinions about our POTUS, but that's about it. You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.

Me ? I think real Americans should look towards their State governments first, given that we are a Republic and all...

Ventilator stockpiles? Do you really think that this is a Trump issue? C'mon be honest, did you make this an issue during your local and State elections? If so, good on you. If not, shut up Nancy.

 

[firegiver]

So much to unpack. In no particular order... no, they didn't dismantle the pandemic team. I hear a bunch of your opinions about our POTUS, but that's about it. You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.

Me ? I think real Americans should look towards their State governments first, given that we are a Republic and all...

Ventilator stockpiles? Do you really think that this is a Trump issue? C'mon be honest, did you make this an issue during your local and State elections? If so, good on you. If not, shut up Nancy.

You dodged the biggest one you see everyday. His messaging about his issue. You know he downplayed it and was FOS. But hey don't take the L right? He trusted China over his own intelligence agencies. He had the military intelligence telling him China was lying while he was on twitter sucking Xi's pooh bear looking d!ck.

I'm just stating facts. His admin dismantled the pandemic team. Heres the most bias right wing resource I could find to back up my uh opinion https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...ot-fire-the-entire-white-house-pandemic-team/

American's should look to their own and their neighbors and their communities and their states and not look the other way when the most powerful government in the world run by the most powerful man in the world completely borks it.

 

[nsp1996]

You dodged the biggest one you see everyday. His messaging about his issue. You know he downplayed it and was FOS. But hey don't take the L right? He trusted China over his own intelligence agencies. He had the military intelligence telling him China was lying while he was on twitter sucking Xi's pooh bear looking d!ck.

I'm just stating facts. His admin dismantled the pandemic team. Heres the most bias right wing resource I could find to back up my uh opinion https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...ot-fire-the-entire-white-house-pandemic-team/

American's should look to their own and their neighbors and their communities and their states and not look the other way when the most powerful government in the world run by the most powerful man in the world completely borks it.

Lots to unpack. Maybe some that I can agree with. But, hey, can you restate all this tomorrow? It's a lot for a Friday night.

 

[other1]

Yes, you have the talking point correct. If I had a gold star sticker to give you I would. .

Trump did not call the virus a hoax. He called the coverage the new hoax. I know your daddies on CNN will tell you something different, so I'm not going to try and change your mind, but please, some of us are actually attempting to have an adult conversation in this thread.

He referred to this as the democrats new hoax, along the lines of the Russia thing. And FWIW I never watch CNN or Fox for that matter.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Kushner said yesterday regarding the federal stockpile of supplies - "The notion of the federal stockpile was its supposed to be our stockpile. Its not supposed to be the states stockpile that they then use."

First of all, who is the "our" referring to? Is it not the states and the people that make up the United States of America?

Second, the Strategic National Supply website says "When state, local, tribal and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicine and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency." It's in their damn Mission Statement for crying out loud!

This is not a flame or trying to provoke an argument. Its a legitimate question because this is absolutely infuriating to me. I'm lucky right now that North Carolina is not being overwhelmed like NY, MI and LA are. But if/when it is, I dont want to hear crap like this from that guy or anyone with the federal government.

Trump republicans are for massive federal government. It belongs to our central planners and they fairly distribute back to the people. Enjoy your stimulus check and be thankful comrade.

 

[mskoonce]

@Casa_del_Tigre Im definitely not getting a stimulus check, so you enjoy yours for me. As a business owner of 20+ years and employing 75 employees through this crisis and the housing bubble/banking crisis of 08-09, I’ve seen very closely how the economy can be ravaged by something we can’t control. I’ve also seen the good and bad responses of federal, state and local governments during these times. I have a right to voice my opinion about what was done, and ask others to explain opinions that I don’t understand or agree with. But, it definitely pisses me off when every time I don’t agree with something this administration does or says I get called a “libtard” or a “commie” or a “left wing nut job.” I’ve been a registered Republican my entire life but I am going to call out something I don’t agree with. Sorry if that offends but I’m not blindly following anyone.

 

[firegiver]

@Casa_del_Tigre Im definitely not getting a stimulus check, so you enjoy yours for me. As a business owner of 20+ years and employing 75 employees through this crisis and the housing bubble/banking crisis of 08-09, I’ve seen very closely how the economy can be ravaged by something we can’t control. I’ve also seen the good and bad responses of federal, state and local governments during these times. I have a right to voice my opinion about what was done, and ask others to explain opinions that I don’t understand or agree with. But, it definitely pisses me off when every time I don’t agree with something this administration does or says I get called a “libtard” or a “commie” or a “left wing nut job.” I’ve been a registered Republican my entire life but I am going to call out something I don’t agree with. Sorry if that offends but I’m not blindly following anyone.

The cult of trump is a disgrace.

 

[orangelvis]

I bet Cuomo never said the virus was a Democratic hoax and everything was under control. I think someones shortcomings are a hell of a lot more obvious than Cuomo's

If you believe what you said, congratulations! Even the WaPo gave that idea 4 Pinocchios. How does it feel to be a misinformed, mind-controlled lemming?

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

@Casa_del_Tigre Im definitely not getting a stimulus check, so you enjoy yours for me. As a business owner of 20+ years and employing 75 employees through this crisis and the housing bubble/banking crisis of 08-09, I’ve seen very closely how the economy can be ravaged by something we can’t control. I’ve also seen the good and bad responses of federal, state and local governments during these times. I have a right to voice my opinion about what was done, and ask others to explain opinions that I don’t understand or agree with. But, it definitely pisses me off when every time I don’t agree with something this administration does or says I get called a “libtard” or a “commie” or a “left wing nut job.” I’ve been a registered Republican my entire life but I am going to call out something I don’t agree with. Sorry if that offends but I’m not blindly following anyone.

I’m for free markets, don’t know what else to tell you. It’s not that I want people to suffer. I believe the polices going through right now will make things worse for people. As a business owner you should realize how many hurdles the government puts on you already....

 

[mskoonce]

I’m for free markets too, but sometimes you have to deal with special situations, and this is definitely a special one.

 

[other1]

If you believe what you said, congratulations! Even the WaPo gave that idea 4 Pinocchios. How does it feel to be a misinformed, mind-controlled lemming?

I didn't say it!! It's fact!! Google "Democratic Hoax" and see where it leads you. Also, here's another article.https://www.businessinsider.com/fiv...inistration-downplayed-the-coronavirus-2020-3
Your hero fumbled the opening kickoff and now we are playing catch up.

 

[orangelvis]

I didn't say it!! It's fact!! Google "Democratic Hoax" and see where it leads you. Also, here's another article.https://www.businessinsider.com/fiv...inistration-downplayed-the-coronavirus-2020-3
Your hero fumbled the opening kickoff and now we are playing catch up.

The "Hoax" is the dem, lib, socialist hysteria that Trump is somehow to blame. He was on this while the dems were still still playing with their last hoax, impeachment. He was ridiculed for the China travel ban early on. So, who was really downplaying the virus? The one who banned travel, or the ones who slammed the travel ban?
There are two camps. One camp is trying to rally Americans to win a fight against a pandemic and save our economy in the process. The other camp is trying to use a pandemic to remove Trump from office and destroy our freedoms, economy, etc in order to transform America into another weak, socialist, state driven economy. Just look at the hysteria created by first using "models" to predict one to two million deaths. Now, they've reduced it by a factor of ten. Look at the fake news regarding the mortality rates. Just look at how the lemmings made a run on toilet paper! Now, this camp wants to downplay anything positive, such as the efficacy of HCQ; which is working everywhere it has been used and has a 50 year safety profile, and it's all because they see a possibility of thwarting Trump's re-election. They put politics and their desire for a world-wide socialist utopia ahead of everything. It is pure evil.

 

[hopefultiger13]

I'm not speaking for Trump, but man you have to project confidence and hope if you are the Man. If you can't even do that, what about all the people who are actually doing the fighting in the mud? You have to give people something to hold on to to fight a little longer, to endure. You give them Hope. Otherwise they give up and then the worst really happens. Meanwhile you do what you can to actually help them.

It's just like patient in ICU, do all the nurses and doctors tell him that they are probably going to die and it's pretty much useless to hope for better, or do they tell them to "hang on" while they fight like hell to save them.

I agree with this... But you can do that w/o lying and projecting things that are not true. While you DO need to do the things above, you also need to be a person that inspires TRUST. If Trump told me it was raining outside, I'd look out the window before grabbing an umbrella. That's how much I believe what comes out of his mouth.

 

[clemsontyger04]

The "Hoax" is the dem, lib, socialist hysteria that Trump is somehow to blame. He was on this while the dems were still still playing with their last hoax, impeachment. He was ridiculed for the China travel ban early on. So, who was really downplaying the virus? The one who banned travel, or the ones who slammed the travel ban?
There are two camps. One camp is trying to rally Americans to win a fight against a pandemic and save our economy in the process. The other camp is trying to use a pandemic to remove Trump from office and destroy our freedoms, economy, etc in order to transform America into another weak, socialist, state driven economy. Just look at the hysteria created by first using "models" to predict one to two million deaths. Now, they've reduced it by a factor of ten. Look at the fake news regarding the mortality rates. Just look at how the lemmings made a run on toilet paper! Now, this camp wants to downplay anything positive, such as the efficacy of HCQ; which is working everywhere it has been used and has a 50 year safety profile, and it's all because they see a possibility of thwarting Trump's re-election. They put politics and their desire for a world-wide socialist utopia ahead of everything. It is pure evil.

Airlines banned travel from China. Yall really got to stop spouting fox news talking points that are straight up lies