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OT: Afghanistan...

The terrain is by far the most challenging I was ever deployed to during my military career. Some of the villages are so remote and hard to reach, it's not uncommon to not have a single outside visitor in years.

The one thing we always found with the Taliban and Al Qaeda Is that they literally had nothing to live for other than their cause. That takes "hearts and minds" out of the equation and also creates a dynamic of people that aren't afraid to die. That's a much more challenging scenario to defeat without a pure forever occupation strategy and a really heavy hand.

What most won't talk about is the open border between Pakistan and Afghanistan where our Pakistani allies let reinforcements walk into the country daily to reinforce depleted Taliban resources. So the reality is that the surrounding countries didn't want the US to be successful there.
Pakistan is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The only thing I think that motivates them is that they don't want Afghan refugees in their country.
 
They also pillage Afghanistan's natural resources for free basically.......timber being a huge one.
They are going to have to fight the Chinese for those now.

China has had troops in Afghanistan for some time now.
 
James Michener has written a book about Afghanistan called "Caravans". He's a great author.
 
One thing the last two administrations have totally gotten wrong is our withdrawal from Afghanistan. We've given a lot of lives and a lot of effort to providing some semblance of order to that nation. Now we're pulling out and everything is falling apart. What was the point of going if we weren't going to hold things together? Politicians refer to endless wars but we've had (I believe) 1 combat death there in the last 18 months or so. We had 3500 troops stationed there. We still have 26,000 troops in South Korea. We have 6200 in Guam. We have 36k in Germany. We have 12k in Italy. We have 4k in Bahrain. The list goes on and on.

As a result of this, girls will be pulled out schools. Many will be raped. Anyone that tried to help the US build something in Afghanistan will be tortured or killed or perhaps both. We've just dishonored all we sent our troops to do there and almost guaranteed we'll have to be back there again at some point. All for politics? We are such a stupid country these days led by such stupid and self-serving people. It's disgusting what we've done there based on a false narrative. What idiot would ever trust the US to do what's right and stand by them any more?
Haven’t you heard? Biden is begging the Taliban to spare the US embassy! So no worries, that’ll certainly work. I’m sure this is impressing China, Russia, Iran, N Korea.
 
Haven’t you heard? Biden is begging the Taliban to spare the US embassy! So no worries, that’ll certainly work. I’m sure this is impressing China, Russia, Iran, N Korea.

It was Trump who originally "made a deal" with the Taliban my man. The last four administrations all get plenty of blame on this disaster.

 
Haven’t you heard? Biden is begging the Taliban to spare the US embassy! So no worries, that’ll certainly work. I’m sure this is impressing China, Russia, Iran, N Korea.

No question, he's as big a loser as his supporters. Begging the Taliban is about as bad as his begging Saudi Arabia to increase oil production. U.S. Senator John Cornyn said it best:

"It’s pretty simple: if the President is suddenly worried about rising gas prices, he needs to stop killing our own energy production here on American soil. Begging the Saudis to increase production while the White House ties one hand behind the backs of American energy companies is pathetic and embarrassing.”
 
It was Trump who originally "made a deal" with the Taliban my man. The last four administrations all get plenty of blame on this disaster.

Sign of a really poor leader is someone that openly and publicly blames another. What's next, they going to blame Trump for JFK also?

 
Sign of a really poor leader is someone that openly and publicly blames another. What's next, they going to blame Trump for JFK also?

It’s the Lefts rubber stamp response to everything: TRUMP
 
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An embarrassing rout in Afghanistan.

Another success brought to you by the (Obama)/Harris/Biden administration.
 
Sign of a really poor leader is someone that openly and publicly blames another. What's next, they going to blame Trump for JFK also?


come on man. All Trump did for four years was blame everything on Obama. He even blamed obama for not having a stockpile of covid tests. You are such a partisan hack. It used to be funny. Now it is just sad.
 
An embarrassing rout in Afghanistan.

Another success brought to you by the (Obama)/Harris/Biden administration.
I mean … ya ….. but I don’t really blame Biden for this one. It took the Taliban two weeks to take back the country. It’s clear that the Afghans want to live in the Stone Age. We should’ve never been there to begin with, especially after we got Bin Laden.
 
come on man. All Trump did for four years was blame everything on Obama. He even blamed obama for not having a stockpile of covid tests. You are such a partisan hack. It used to be funny. Now it is just sad.
And all Biden’s done so far is blame Trump, so does that make him the same weak leader as Front Butt?

You’ve spent all of your energy hating someone that’s literally no different than than the clown you worship and it’s hilarious to read your nonsense about how he’s better.
 
come on man. All Trump did for four years was blame everything on Obama. He even blamed obama for not having a stockpile of covid tests. You are such a partisan hack. It used to be funny. Now it is just sad.
And all Biden’s done so far is blame Trump, so does that make him the same weak leader as Front Butt?

You’ve spent all of your energy hating someone that’s literally no different than than the clown you worship and it’s hilarious to read your nonsense about how he’s better.
 
An embarrassing rout in Afghanistan.

Another success brought to you by the (Obama)/Harris/Biden administration.


Trump: "We are pulling all of our troops out of Afghanistan."

TI Mouth Breathers: "Yes! American first! MAGA! We cant be the world's police."

Biden: "We are continuing Trump's policy and will pull all of the troops out of Afghanistan."

Same TI Mouth Breathers: "What an idiot! What is he thinking? This is embarrassing for our country."
 
I mean … ya ….. but I don’t really blame Biden for this one. It took the Taliban two weeks to take back the country. It’s clear that the Afghans want to live in the Stone Age. We should’ve never been there to begin with, especially after we got Bin Laden.
Absolutely blame him, and whomever is pulling his strings for this cluster.

I'm not going to disagree that we probably should never had gotten so deep into that shithole but precipitously bailing out in the middle of fighting season in a way to instill the most panic and embolden the Taliban is pure stupidity.
 
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Trump: "We are pulling all of our troops out of Afghanistan."

TI Mouth Breathers: "Yes! American first! MAGA! We cant be the world's police."

Biden: "We are continuing Trump's policy and will pull all of the troops out of Afghanistan."

Same TI Mouth Breathers: "What an idiot! What is he thinking? This is embarrassing for our country."

People who can think rationally: "Wow Joe Biden's administration is a real mess and is doing dumb stuff"

Same TI Mouth Breathers: "But Trump.... !"

Why not let your man own this disaster and all the little boy raping, woman subjugating, maiming and executions that go along with it? Elections have consequences, and this is just another consequence.
 
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Perhaps we should have stayed another 20 years and then maybe, just maybe, the Afghan "army" could be trained well enough to defend their own country. Obviously, the 1st 20 years did little.
 
President’s Harris/Obama have deliberately allowed our southern border to be invaded with 2.5 million illegal immigrants (and that’s not counting the one’s who got away and didn’t turn themselves into Border Patrol) since these traitors took over six months ago. If they don’t give two sh!ts about the US, then nothing they do (deliberately or because they’re just dumbasses) in foreign policy surprises me.
 
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None of the liberal douche bags on this board have the intelligence to think rationally and recognize all the stupid stuff that is going on. The lowest IQ ones can only respond with "But Trump...."
I’ve noticed that they’ve been much less present. Maybe they’re following the lead of their favorite president and gone into hiding
 
I’ve noticed that they’ve been much less present. Maybe they’re following the lead of their favorite president and gone into hiding

Let's be honest, if they were dumb enough to vote for Biden, they really aren't smart enough to post on a public forum. The country is in an absolute mess due to this clown show of an administration. We all saw this coming except the morons.
 
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Seems to be forgotten that we went to Afghanistan because we were not going to allow the Taliban to shelter Al Qaeda. Maintaining a base in Afghanistan and a presence there would have helped us to deal with the threats as they arose over time.

Now we have a big nothing and Al-Qaeda prisoners have been released and we aren't even prepared to evacuate our own people. There's no defending what is indefensible. That people are even trying to pay politics with this shows such a staggering lack of character it's hard to know where to begin. This is a giant embarrassment and a complete cluster. We should be better than this and it just further demonstrates the lows to which our country has sunk.

Donald Trump was awful in a lot of ways but this isn't a binary situation. Joe Biden is incompetent and unfit to be president of the United states. This nation deserves better. Donald Trump can be a complete scumbag and at the same time Joe Biden can be the worst president we've had in the modern era. I don't want Trump back and if he runs I'll do everything I can to help make sure he doesn't win again. That possible situation has nothing to do with the clown show we have right now.
 
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Seems to be forgotten that we went to Afghanistan because we were not going to allow the Taliban to shelter Al Qaeda. Maintaining a base in Afghanistan and a presence there would have helped us to deal with the threats as they arose over time.

Now we have a big nothing and Al-Qaeda prisoners have been released and we aren't even prepared to evacuate our own people. There's no defending what is indefensible. That people are even trying to pay politics with this shows such a staggering lack of character it's hard to know where to begin. This is a giant embarrassment and a complete cluster. We should be better than this and it just further demonstrates the lows to which our country has sunk.

Donald Trump was awful in a lot of ways but this isn't a binary situation. Joe Biden is incompetent and unfit to be president of the United states. This nation deserves better. Donald Trump can be a complete scumbag and at the same time Joe Biden can be the worst president we've had in the modern era. I don't want Trump back and if he runs I'll do everything I can to help make sure he doesn't win again. That possible situation has nothing to do with the clown show we have right now.
Did you do everything that you could to help make sure Trump didn't win this election? If you did or even if you just didn't vote for him in the general election, then that's your guy right now making the decisions (or not).
 
Let's be honest, if they were dumb enough to vote for Biden, they really aren't smart enough to post on a public forum. The country is in an absolute mess due to this clown show of an administration. We all saw this coming except the morons.

shut the **** up jeff.
 
Did you do everything that you could to help make sure Trump didn't win this election? If you did or even if you just didn't vote for him in the general election, then that's your guy right now making the decisions (or not).

The choice this time was no choice at all. I voted for President Trump but I don't support president Trump. He was the lesser of two evils. When you have a choice between a walking dead person who is corrupt as hell in a narcissistic pig who thinks he hung the Moon it's not a very pleasant vote. But it's also an easy choice.
 
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The choice this time was no choice at all. I voted for President Trump but I don't support president Trump. He was the lesser of two evils. When you have a choice between a walking dead person who is corrupt as hell in a narcissistic pig who thinks he hung the Moon it's not a very pleasant vote. But it's also an easy choice.
An adult and reasoned perspective. I voted for Trump the first time to do just what he did. I wanted another 4 years of his foreign policy and to avoid the democrat jackassery that we are experiencing now so I voted for him again.
 
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Let's be honest, if they were dumb enough to vote for Biden, they really aren't smart enough to post on a public forum. The country is in an absolute mess due to this clown show of an administration. We all saw this coming except the morons.
Here’s an interesting document- agreement from the Trump State Department where the U.S. promises to pull out of Afghanistan within 9 1/2 months from it’s signing on February 29, 2020.

 
At this point, it doesn't even matter which president we blame for this. The reality is that we will have to return to that absolute sh*thole and fix the problem as it will become both a humanitarian crisis and a national security threat before the end of the fall.

The 75,000 Taliban just grew to 375,000 Taliban minus the ones that managed to flee the country. Anyone else will pledge loyalty or die. The border is about as open as our southern one so terrorists with an interest in war are now flooding into a military training ground for bad people totally uninhibited by a government we can pressure or sanction to death.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda are well known for ruthlessness when it comes to torture, rape and murder. Any woman that taught in an American built school will be stoned and any little girl that attended, likely raped and potentially turned into slaves. Any military aged male either has the choice to join up and fight or will die a pretty horrible death along with their families.

One things for certain, the intelligence community and military leadership totally dropped the ball on this as they should have understood the 300,000 person army would fold like a lawn chair and they should have had some intel that the Taliban were going to advance. There should be outrage over this.
 
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At this point, it doesn't even matter which president we blame for this. The reality is that we will have to return to that absolute sh*thole and fix the problem as it will become both a humanitarian crisis and a national security threat before the end of the fall.

The 75,000 Taliban just grew to 375,000 Taliban minus the ones that managed to flee the country. Anyone else will pledge loyalty or die. The border is about as open as our southern one so terrorists with an interest in war are now flooding into a military training ground for bad people totally uninhibited by a government we can pressure or sanction to death.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda are well known for ruthlessness when it comes to torture, rape and murder. Any woman that taught in an American built school will be stoned and any little girl that attended, likely raped and potentially turned into slaves. Any military aged male either has the choice to join up and fight or will die a pretty horrible death along with their families.

One things for certain, the intelligence community and military leadership totally dropped the ball on this as they should have understood the 300,000 person army would fold like a lawn chair and they should have had some intel that the Taliban were going to advance. There should be outrage over this.
If we return to Afghanistan to "fix" anything then we might as well make it our 51st state.
 
At this point, it doesn't even matter which president we blame for this. The reality is that we will have to return to that absolute sh*thole and fix the problem as it will become both a humanitarian crisis and a national security threat before the end of the fall.

The 75,000 Taliban just grew to 375,000 Taliban minus the ones that managed to flee the country. Anyone else will pledge loyalty or die. The border is about as open as our southern one so terrorists with an interest in war are now flooding into a military training ground for bad people totally uninhibited by a government we can pressure or sanction to death.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda are well known for ruthlessness when it comes to torture, rape and murder. Any woman that taught in an American built school will be stoned and any little girl that attended, likely raped and potentially turned into slaves. Any military aged male either has the choice to join up and fight or will die a pretty horrible death along with their families.

One things for certain, the intelligence community and military leadership totally dropped the ball on this as they should have understood the 300,000 person army would fold like a lawn chair and they should have had some intel that the Taliban were going to advance. There should be outrage over this.

I don't disagree, but just want to point out that two VERY different administrations came to the same conclusion that it was in our best interest to pull out. It is a tragedy no doubt what is going to happen to those people.

Also worth pointing out... for the crowd on here that claims that the MSM gives Biden a pass... they are abusing him right now for this.
 
One things for certain, the intelligence community and military leadership totally dropped the ball on this as they should have understood the 300,000 person army would fold like a lawn chair and they should have had some intel that the Taliban were going to advance. There should be outrage over this.
No one dropped the ball. We knew exactly what would happen.

Can't stay there forever. Afghanis need to take charge of their own country.

The only issue I have is that we should have waited until fighting season ended to withdraw. It would have bought more time for the ANDF.
 
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