OT- Anyone seeing colleges requiring N95 mask?

[PAWrocka]

A friend of my mine who works for Roper St Frances Healthcare in Charleston posted the following

"Today marks a new record for our number of inpatients across our 4 hospitals. We're caring for 195 inpatients with COVID19, and those patients make up 44% of our total patient population. This is the third week on a row weve seen a record number of CV19 patients.

Unvaccinated/Partially Vaccinated
Hospitalized 165
In ICU 34
On ventilator 20

Fully vaccinated
Hospitalized 30
In ICU 2
On Ventilator 2

 

[tigerjimp]

I don't disagree with you. There is a very simple solution to this problem, in my opinion.

Back when Trump was in office, people were rushing to get the vaccine. Now people are "nervous" about it or refuse to get it. Same vaccine, however. Politics are awful and it's sad it's come to this.

Why won't the media continuously play the clips of him talking about getting the vaccine and how it's "the safe thig to do", per him? Why won't they show those? He's out there telling people, but you have dang near go down a rabbit hole to find anything with him.

You would think if we were truly all in this together, they would show the clips of him saying it and say "Hey, look... both sides think it's the right thing to do. Let's do it"

My opinion, is because the media doesn't want to give him credit for anything and if he did that, you just might see a surge of vaccinations. Shows you how much people do not trust this administration. Politics are evil and it's putting this country at risk and it's terribly sad the control the media has on all of us.

People making health decisions based on politics are "unwise".

People thinking that the vaccinations will stop the spread are not looking at the data, especially in Israel, the most vaccinated country on the planet.

People thinking that this virus is going to go away if we all just get vaccinated and wear masks are dreaming.

People not including people that have developed natural immunity after already having the virus does not make sense, seems political, and does not line up with the latest study out of Israel.

I think most people are tired of the drama and are just going to start living a normal life. At the same time, people extremely overweight or in another high risk category would be wise to go with the better odds that come with the vaccine and should not expect much sympathy if they don't and get seriously ill. Those in the low risk category should be free to decide on their own and be prepared to eventually get the virus, because they will and will most likely be perfectly fine.

Have I pissed everyone off?

 

[PAWrocka]

So, vaccinated people are still scared & unvaccinated people (such as myself) are not?
I’m fine being unvaccinated, “taking my chances” so to speak…I don’t wear a mask & I’m not scared…I wash my hands & use common sense & I’ve always social distanced myself to a degree bc I just don’t like being all up on strangers when I’m out & about if I can help it…And, on top of that, I’ve had Covid….
Why isn’t that good enough for yall vaccinators? I just don’t care to put an 1) experimental drug into my arm that I don’t 2)believe really works anyway bc it was pretty much 3) developed by the same people who unleashed Covid on the world in the first place….why would I trust them, particularly with the health of my daughters? It makes no sense.

1) not true, was never true after the EUA was granted
2) facts dont care about your feelings. All data shows that the vaccines are working as intended
3) Not true.

 

[CUT93]

I've seen that study. I've also seen studies that show that if both parties wear a mask that effectiveness is greater than that. I've also seen where utilization of n95 masks is even greater.

One common thread - all are greater than 0%

You staying home and never leaving your house is more than 0% effective as well. you planning to do that also?

 

[stronghammer]

The vaccine isn’t to keep you from getting sick. Vaccinated need to be mask. UK continues to have vaccinated deaths climb each week.

you’re thinking about the decades old definition of vaccinated. We are on the newest definition which means you are at risk and can spread.

But it will keep you from being hospitalized and intubated.

 

[Tiger Guru]

People making health decisions based on politics are "unwise".

People thinking that the vaccinations will stop the spread are not looking at the data, especially in Israel, the most vaccinated country on the planet.

People thinking that this virus is going to go away if we all just get vaccinated and wear masks are dreaming.

People not including people that have developed natural immunity after already having the virus does not make sense, seems political, and does not line up with the latest study out of Israel.

I think most people are tired of the drama and are just going to start living a normal life. At the same time, people extremely overweight or in another high risk category would be wise to go with the better odds that come with the vaccine and should not expect much sympathy if they don't and get seriously ill. Those in the low risk category should be free to decide on their own and be prepared to eventually get the virus, because they will and will most likely be perfectly fine.

Have I pissed everyone off?

You’re spot on, IMO. But I’m no front line worker 😉

 

[yoshi121374]

Correct. I just meant they can still transmit it. I’m not getting the vaccine regardless. 99.9%.

Why? What about the vaccine scares you?

 

[yoshi121374]

A friend of my mine who works for Roper St Frances Healthcare in Charleston posted the following

"Today marks a new record for our number of inpatients across our 4 hospitals. We're caring for 195 inpatients with COVID19, and those patients make up 44% of our total patient population. This is the third week on a row weve seen a record number of CV19 patients.

Unvaccinated/Partially Vaccinated
Hospitalized 165
In ICU 34
On ventilator 20

Fully vaccinated
Hospitalized 30
In ICU 2
On Ventilator 2

And that is in line with every hospital reports I've seen. It absolutely boggles my mind that people still refuse to get the vaccine. It's absurd.

 

[tigerjimp]

You’re spot on, IMO. But I’m no front line worker 😉

Front line workers would probably be very wise to get the vaccine, especially if they are in a high risk category.

People in a high risk category that don't get the vaccine and end up consuming a hospital bed at the expense of others should not be shocked to find that people are pissed off about it.

 

[Tiger at State]

The vaccine isn’t to keep you from getting sick. Vaccinated need to be mask. UK continues to have vaccinated deaths climb each week.

you’re thinking about the decades old definition of vaccinated. We are on the newest definition which means you are at risk and can spread.

F off, tyrant

 

[CUT93]

Why? What about the vaccine scares you?

I know you were no replying to me, but I have a couple of comments. If it is so certain and the data is there to prove they are safe, why is only one vaccine FDA approved? Second, and more importantly is the fact that you can not know what you can not know. None of the vaccines have ben out long enough to know what(if any) long term side effects there may be. By long term, I mean 5, 10 ,20 yrs down the road.
Despite this there are schools requiring children, who are essentially immune from serious harm, to get the vaccine. This should be criminal, imo. There have been 2x as many 18 and under kids die from the flu in since 2020 started and 10 times that many have died in car accidents. There is absolutely no logical basis for kids to get the vaccine.
If you are in a high risk group due to age, health, etc. I think the benefit of protection outweighs the risk of the unknown. If you are younger and have no other comorbidity factors, I have no problem with choosing not to get the vaccine.

 

[nytigerfan]

A friend of my mine who works for Roper St Frances Healthcare in Charleston posted the following

"Today marks a new record for our number of inpatients across our 4 hospitals. We're caring for 195 inpatients with COVID19, and those patients make up 44% of our total patient population. This is the third week on a row weve seen a record number of CV19 patients.

Unvaccinated/Partially Vaccinated
Hospitalized 165
In ICU 34
On ventilator 20

Fully vaccinated
Hospitalized 30
In ICU 2
On Ventilator 2

This. I really don't get it, the data is there and it is overwhelming. Vaccines WORK. These same numbers are playing out hospitals across the country. In SC, about half the population is unvaxed. And yet in your hospital, 85% are unvaxxed. 94% in ICU are unvaxed. 91% on ventilators are unvaxed.

Of course, someone is going to counter with a story they heard on Youtube about a nursing home in Zimbabwe where all the vaxxed residents died of covid.

 

[Captainclemson]

I hate when I feel compelled to contribute on a Covid thread, but anyhow.....

Personally, I was never under the impression that if you were vaccinated you were 100% protected against catching Covid. Kind of like flu shots - plenty of people get the shot and still come down with the flu, as have I.

Unfortunately it seems the Delta has increased the vaccinated's chance of becoming sick. However, if the shot helps reduce infections, thus the spread of infections, along with severity of the sickness, then it's still serving it's purpose.

My girlfriend received the Pfizer at the end of December....... I took the Pfizer in March. She tested positive, w/ mild to moderate symptoms, on September 4th (8+ months after the shot so maybe it was starting to "wear off"). I have tested negative after being around her, so my feeling is that the shot did it's job for me.

 

[PAWrocka]

And that is in line with every hospital reports I've seen. It absolutely boggles my mind that people still refuse to get the vaccine. It's absurd.

This. I really don't get it, the data is there and it is overwhelming. Vaccines WORK. These same numbers are playing out hospitals across the country. In SC, about half the population is unvaxed. And yet in your hospital, 85% are unvaxxed. 94% in ICU are unvaxed. 91% on ventilators are unvaxed.

Of course, someone is going to counter with a story they heard on Youtube about a nursing home in Zimbabwe where all the vaxxed residents died of covid.

Yup ... Russian and Chinese misinformation is everywhere ... and folks are falling for it. The misinformation is incestuous in the the sense that it feeds peoples doubt which encourages people to "do their own research". Doing your own research is good, but folks arent being truthful with themselves and are finding "facts" that fit the truth they want to believe.

 

[Trading Tiger]

Yeah......pretty much everyone in this country blindly deciding what's "truth" has a lot to do with the mess we are in.

I agree with this 100%, but here's the problem...one side talks about "my truth", "your truth", etc, and has fully embraced sheer lunacy, while the other side knows that every story has at least two sides, but there is only one truth.

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

You staying home and never leaving your house is more than 0% effective as well. you planning to do that also?

Nope.....but never leaving the house isn't a mitigation technique that helps me do the things in life I'd like to do. Nice try though

 

[CUT93]

This. I really don't get it, the data is there and it is overwhelming. Vaccines WORK. These same numbers are playing out hospitals across the country. In SC, about half the population is unvaxed. And yet in your hospital, 85% are unvaxxed. 94% in ICU are unvaxed. 91% on ventilators are unvaxed.

Of course, someone is going to counter with a story they heard on Youtube about a nursing home in Zimbabwe where all the vaxxed residents died of covid.

I think you will find in states like SC that have a much higher African American population (by percentage) that the vaccination rate rate will be lower than the national average. This group is the least vaccinated group in the country. States with a higher percentage of African Americans are probably all going to be vaccinated at levels below the national average. Based solely on observation, they are by far the most vigilant group about wearing masks though.

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

If I was a manufacturer of N95 masks, I would be lobbying universities to require N95 masks.

You got that right.....And if I was a big pharma company that had a vaccine, I would lobby universities, CDC, and the NIH and federal Government to mandate vaccines, too...And would push the CDC to focus on vaccines and not treatment.

 

[yoshi121374]

I know you were no replying to me, but I have a couple of comments. If it is so certain and the data is there to prove they are safe, why is only one vaccine FDA approved? Second, and more importantly is the fact that you can not know what you can not know. None of the vaccines have ben out long enough to know what(if any) long term side effects there may be. By long term, I mean 5, 10 ,20 yrs down the road.
Despite this there are schools requiring children, who are essentially immune from serious harm, to get the vaccine. This should be criminal, imo. There have been 2x as many 18 and under kids die from the flu in since 2020 started and 10 times that many have died in car accidents. There is absolutely no logical basis for kids to get the vaccine.
If you are in a high risk group due to age, health, etc. I think the benefit of protection outweighs the risk of the unknown. If you are younger and have no other comorbidity factors, I have no problem with choosing not to get the vaccine.

We have 100s of millions of doses given out without any unexpected side effects. Historically vaccines don't have long term side effects, they are one of the most safe medications that exist.

It isnt at all new to require vaccines for school kids. My wife is a teacher and kids are spreading the delta variant like crazy.

As I've stated ad nauseam, death is t the only poor outcome of getting Covid. Being out of work sick for mtiple weeks is not financially feasible for most people. I had a staff member who works for me who is unvaccinated and her daughter tested positive for covid. She was completely panicked as she was sent home for the day, and risked being out from work for potentially weeks. She was lucky to be negative, and she immediately went and got her shots.

 

[PAWrocka]

I agree with this 100%, but here's the problem...one side talks about "my truth", "your truth", etc, and has fully embraced sheer lunacy, while the other side knows that every story has at least two sides, but there is only one truth.

related/unrelated ... the phrase "my truth" triggers the absolute F* out of me!

 

[CUT93]

@yoshi121374
What vaccines do schools require for kids for diseases they are basically immune to?

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

 

[nytigerfan]

I think you will find in states like SC that have a much higher African American population (by percentage) that the vaccination rate rate will be lower than the national average. This group is the least vaccinated group in the country. States with a higher percentage of African Americans are probably all going to be vaccinated at levels below the national average. Based solely on observation, they are by far the most vigilant group about wearing masks though.

OK. Honestly I don't really care if you are brown, black, grey, republican, democrat... whatever. It does not change the point being made. VACCINES ARE WORKING. The data is there.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

F off, tyrant

Tyrant doesn’t mean what it once did. I respect the individual.

 

[HarleyTiger]

I am not vaccinated and don’t give a shit what you think. And vaccinated people can get and transmit covid just like everyone else and typically without even know it if asymptomatic.

Absolutely agree that I can get it and spread it, however remote that possibility may be. And if your dumb ass doesn’t get vaccinated and catches it (and trust me, you WILL catch it if you haven’t already) and dies …. that is on you.

 

[CUT93]

OK. Honestly I don't really care if you are brown, black, grey, republican, democrat... whatever. It does not change the point being made. VACCINES ARE WORKING. The data is there.

I don't care either. You were just singling out SC(possibly as opposed to NY) and I was just pointing out the fact that we should expect higher percentages in states like SC with higher minority populations. See FL, TX and other border states.

 

[yoshi121374]

@yoshi121374
What vaccines do schools require for kids for diseases they are basically immune to?

Are you trying to suggest that they are immune to Covid? That's completely false.

 

[acwill07]

So, vaccinated people are still scared & unvaccinated people (such as myself) are not?
I’m fine being unvaccinated, “taking my chances” so to speak…I don’t wear a mask & I’m not scared…I wash my hands & use common sense & I’ve always social distanced myself to a degree bc I just don’t like being all up on strangers when I’m out & about if I can help it…And, on top of that, I’ve had Covid….
Why isn’t that good enough for yall vaccinators? I just don’t care to put an experimental drug into my arm that I don’t believe really works anyway bc it was pretty much developed by the same people who unleashed Covid on the world in the first place….why would I trust them, particularly with the health of my daughters? It makes no sense.

Jimbob gonna jimbob.

There’s nothing “experimental” about the vaccine at this point. Billions of doses have been given out.

 

[CUT93]

Are you trying to suggest that they are immune to Covid? That's completely false.

Not immune, that would imply they can not get it. However, they are basically immune to severe symptoms of the disease.

 

[yoshi121374]

Not immune, that would imply they can not get it. However, they are basically immune to severe symptoms of the disease.

Also not really true, but the main reason to vaccinated is to help slow the spread in schools. I know.in my wife's school they have already had multiple classes shit down due to kids passing Covid to each other and to teachers. The school is having a really hard time getting teachers and subs.

The lack of masks is making this really tough for them. McMaster and the state legislature really screwed this up. My wife's district did face to face all last year and had a total of 9 sick kids all year. In the first 4 days this year they had 18.

 

[CUT93]

Also not really true, but the main reason to vaccinated is to help slow the spread in schools. I know.in my wife's school they have already had multiple classes shit down due to kids passing Covid to each other and to teachers. The school is having a really hard time getting teachers and subs.

The lack of masks is making this really tough for them. McMaster and the state legislature really screwed this up. My wife's district did face to face all last year and had a total of 9 sick kids all year. In the first 4 days this year they had 18.

It is true. I know deaths do not account for severe outcomes that don't involve death, but the numbers of those incidents do correlate with death statistics from covid which are basically 0%.
Are your wife and other teachers and admin are wearing n95 masks to protect themselves? If not, why? Seems like this would solve the problem.

 

[yoshi121374]

It is true. I know deaths do not account for severe outcomes that don't involve death, but the numbers of those incidents do correlate with death statistics from covid which are basically 0%.
Are your wife and other teachers and admin are wearing n95 masks to protect themselves? If not, why? Seems like this would solve the problem.

The teachers are wearing masks for the most part, but the children are not required to, and the school is not allowed by state law to require them.

Obviously we know N95 is preferable, but regular surgical masks are better than nothing and worked very well for them last year.

The only change between last year and this one was Delta variant and no masks. They have had far more issues this year.

 

[nytigerfan]

I don't care either. You were just singling out SC(possibly as opposed to NY) and I was just pointing out the fact that we should expect higher percentages in states like SC with higher minority populations. See FL, TX and other border states.

I wasnt singling out SC. I was pointing out that 50% of the population in SC is unvaccinated, yet 90% of the people hospitalized for covid are unvaccinated. If the number of people unvaxxed in SC was 80%, then those numbers would be less indicative that the vaccine works extremely well.

 

[CUT93]

The teachers are wearing masks for the most part, but the children are not required to, and the school is not allowed by state law to require them.

Obviously we know N95 is preferable, but regular surgical masks are better than nothing and worked very well for them last year.

The only change between last year and this one was Delta variant and no masks. They have had far more issues this year.

Science/data tell us there is a huge difference between wearing a paper towel with ear straps as opposed to an n95 mask. I bet cases for teachers would almost disappear if they were vaccinated and wore n95 masks.

 

[jimbob1019]

1) not true, was never true after the EUA was granted
2) facts dont care about your feelings. All data shows that the vaccines are working as intended
3) Not true.

Let me ask you a question…why are there more peak active cases now in this country with 71% of the population vaccinated than there was at any point in 2020 when there was no vaccination?

 

[jimbob1019]

Jimbob gonna jimbob.

There’s nothing “experimental” about the vaccine at this point. Billions of doses have been given out.

I know, 71% of Americans have been vaccinated & yet we have more active cases in the US now than we did at any point in 2020 when there was no vaccine available…
Man, that vaccine sure does work………………………………spreading Covid

 

[yoshi121374]

Science/data tell us there is a huge difference between wearing a paper towel with ear straps as opposed to an n95 mask. I bet cases for teachers would almost disappear if they were vaccinated and wore n95 masks.

Seeing as how what they did last year kept cases down,not really sure what you are getting at. The anti vaxers absolute refusal to consider actual facts is astonishing.

 

[PAWrocka]

Let me ask you a question…why are there more peak active cases now in this country with 71% of the population vaccinated than there was at any point in 2020 when there was no vaccination?

Because the Delta variant is significantly more contagious and transmissible.

active cases is and always has been a misleading metric. Hospitalization specifically ICU bed occupancy, and death has always been a more meaningful metric.

 

[CUT93]

Seeing as how what they did last year kept cases down,not really sure what you are getting at. The anti vaxers absolute refusal to consider actual facts is astonishing.

First, I'm not an anti vaxxer, I have had the vaccine. Second I am basing my stance on n95 mask vs all other masks on actual tests/case reviews while you are basing it on "what we did at our school last year worked". Do you think n95 maks are used by hospitals/medical facilities/first responders for no reason other than they just like the way they look better? Who would you say is considering facts right now? Really dude? You are not that dense.
By your logic vaccines must not work since there are more people vaccinated at your school this year than last year, right?

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

We have 100s of millions of doses given out without any unexpected side effects. Historically vaccines don't have long term side effects, they are one of the most safe medications that exist.

It isnt at all new to require vaccines for school kids. My wife is a teacher and kids are spreading the delta variant like crazy.

As I've stated ad nauseam, death is t the only poor outcome of getting Covid. Being out of work sick for mtiple weeks is not financially feasible for most people. I had a staff member who works for me who is unvaccinated and her daughter tested positive for covid. She was completely panicked as she was sent home for the day, and risked being out from work for potentially weeks. She was lucky to be negative, and she immediately went and got her shots.

Agree with a lot of that. There are less than 500 deaths, according to the cdc website, with kids from 0-18. Adults need to protect themselves with the vaccine if they feel it’s needed. Kids? Meh. Nope