OT. Change and forgiveness

[blizzard]

Just reading about the Gov of Virginia and thought about Kevin Hart, Judge Cavanaugh and others.

In today’s environment can you be forgiven for something that happened 30 years ago?

I’m not talking about a crime, but more so a change of thought or position. There is video evidence of almost every politician that proves they have flip-flopped on a subject.

So have I, but it’s not on video. I would be embarrassed for some of my friends to know what I said or did 30 years ago.

I think you should be held more accountable for what you do and who you are now!

Without being political, what are your thoughts on the subject?

Will some great leaders be denied for jobs or positions because of stupid things they did as teenagers or young adults? Clearly that is so, but can we change that trend?

 

[Overwatch]

Judge Kavanuagh... hahahahaha

Dude was innocent from the start.

 

[PAWrocka]

It’s been my expiernece that people do not change. Opinions can evolve as a individual gains more life experiences but core beliefs and traits will always stay the same.

 

[Howard's Jock]

People can and do change with the help of a higher power. Just my experience.

 

[blizzard]

Judge Kavanuagh... hahahahaha

Dude was innocent from the start.

I agree, I was using him as an example of how things are dug up. Or in his case made up

 

[blizzard]

People can and do change with the help of a higher power. Just my experience.

I’m glad he’s more forgiving than people! Otherwise I wouldn’t stand a chance

 

[treetiger]

We are in a time where things can be brought back against you from 30 to 40 (+) years. There is little to no regard what someone's intentions were back then, or if the person has changed. It is all driven by political dynamics, and who can bring someone down from the other side. This is going to get much uglier and bloodier, as no one is safe from anything that they did in their past, and being motivation from some to get their bit of fame and $'s to bring someone in the cross-hairs, even if it is made up. Even charges (accusations) made against someone who it has been proven false or unsubstantiated will ultimately bring someone to ruin. It has become a blood sport, that is only going to get bloodier.

Not to mention that the racist accusation is being thrown out there at everything that someone says or does even when that was the farthest thing from the truth, as this accusation is the end all of everyone, even if false.

 

[scott in nashville]

Just reading about the Gov of Virginia and thought about Kevin Hart, Judge Cavanaugh and others.

In today’s environment can you be forgiven for something that happened 30 years ago?

I’m not talking about a crime, but more so a change of thought or position. There is video evidence of almost every politician that proves they have flip-flopped on a subject.

So have I, but it’s not on video. I would be embarrassed for some of my friends to know what I said or did 30 years ago.

I think you should be held more accountable for what you do and who you are now!

Without being political, what are your thoughts on the subject?

Will some great leaders be denied for jobs or positions because of stupid things they did as teenagers or young adults? Clearly that is so, but can we change that trend?

My wife and I were talking about this exact topic today. I can’t think of a single friend of mine that doesn’t have bones in the closet. Politicians are hardly role models, but with a little digging I bet they come up with something on everyone.

No way in hell I could run for office. My closet of skeleton bones runneth over.

 

[WinstonW101]

What a huge failure for that go unnoticed while running for office . Opposition research ineptitude .

 

[blizzard]

We are in a time where things can be brought back against you from 30 to 40 (+) years. There is little to no regard what someone's intentions were back then, or if the person has changed. It is all driven by political dynamics, and who can bring someone down from the other side. This is going to get much uglier and bloodier, as no one is safe from anything that they did in their past, and being motivation from some to get their bit of fame and $'s to bring someone in the cross-hairs, even if it is made up. Even charges (accusations) made against someone who it has been proven false or unsubstantiated will ultimately bring someone to ruin. It has become a blood sport, that is only going to get bloodier.

Not to mention that the racist accusation is being thrown out there at everything that someone says or does even when that was the farthest thing from the truth, as this accusation is the end all of everyone, even if false.

You are correct, and I dread thinking about it

 

[blizzard]

What a huge failure for that go unnoticed while running for office . Opposition research ineptitude .

His own team should’ve found it

 

[KennyD53]

Ralph Northam won an election by claiming other people were racist. Karma just struck.

 

[WinstonW101]

His own team should’ve found it

I’m sure they did know about it

 

[spskillz]

Just reading about the Gov of Virginia and thought about Kevin Hart, Judge Cavanaugh and others.

In today’s environment can you be forgiven for something that happened 30 years ago?

I’m not talking about a crime, but more so a change of thought or position. There is video evidence of almost every politician that proves they have flip-flopped on a subject.

So have I, but it’s not on video. I would be embarrassed for some of my friends to know what I said or did 30 years ago.

I think you should be held more accountable for what you do and who you are now!

Without being political, what are your thoughts on the subject?

Will some great leaders be denied for jobs or positions because of stupid things they did as teenagers or young adults? Clearly that is so, but can we change that trend?

It's a crucial part of my analysis. I wouldn't want to change it at all. That's actually quite silly.

 

[blizzard]

It's a crucial part of my analysis. I wouldn't want to change it at all. That's actually quite silly.

Some people have some Explaining to do ! Have you never changed your mind on a subject? sad thing is some people’s current position is worse than their previous

The fact of the matter is, some people are frauds and should be exposed.

 

[Howard's Jock]

I’m glad he’s more forgiving than people! Otherwise I wouldn’t stand a chance

The fact Im not pushing up daisies is proof of Grace.

 

[clemcol57]

If your name is Clinton you certainly have a chance

 

[CUT93]

I almost feel sorry for the VA governor, but he has become a victim of the climate his party has created. Granted, he may very well be a racist and if he is, he is getting what he deserves.
You can be forgiven by the people that matter. By society, not so much. The environment created mainly by politicians and the media has become so toxic, that you are guilty forever once you have been accused, particularly when it comes to race or anything in the realm of sexual assault. The sad part is, it has diminished real conversations about these issues and marginalized instances where legitimate wrongs have occurred.

The good news is that we already have true forgiveness that we don't deserve.

 

[santee]

It would be real hard to find any politician or hardly any person that has not done or said something embarrassing or stupid that they did not want to get out. Unless it was a blatant criminal act, do not see how anything someone did in high school or college should be held against them.

 

[castlesl]

It’s been my expiernece that people do not change. Opinions can evolve as a individual gains more life experiences but core beliefs and traits will always stay the same.

This is clearly not true. While it is likely true for some people, you paint with too broad of a brush, many people recongnize issues in their lives and do change and become champions for change.

 

[gogetem]

Not the way he handled it. He bungled this thing from the start.

 

[PAWrocka]

This is clearly not true. While it is likely true for some people, you paint with too broad of a brush, many people recongnize issues in their lives and do change and become champions for change.

I would say those are the minority ......and those “Champions” do what they do out of guilt, but still maintain their beliefs.

The older I get, the less I like people. I’m not at @tigerGUY levels of grumpy old man ..... but give it 10 years and I’m sure I’ll be there.

Earth needs another flood like a fat chick needs sweat pants

 

[tigerGUY]

I would say those are the minority ......and those “Champions” do what they do out of guilt, but still maintain their beliefs.

The older I get, the less I like people. I’m not at @tigerGUY levels of grumpy old man ..... but give it 10 years and I’m sure I’ll be there.

Earth needs another flood like a fat chick needs sweat pants

Grumpy and being blunt aren't the same.

 

[orangelvis]

What is incredible to me is the fact that this guy evidently believes it is ok to kill a baby that is about to take its first breath, but the thing that makes him a horrible human being is some stupid costume he wore when he was 19 years old.

 

[gogetem]

What is incredible to me is the fact that this guy evidently believes it is ok to kill a baby that is about to take its first breath, but the thing that makes him a horrible human being is some stupid costume he wore when he was 19 years old.

Liberals.

 

[clemsonalex]

I almost feel sorry for the VA governor, but he has become a victim of the climate his party has created. Granted, he may very well be a racist and if he is, he is getting what he deserves.
You can be forgiven by the people that matter. By society, not so much. The environment created mainly by politicians and the media has become so toxic, that you are guilty forever once you have been accused, particularly when it comes to race or anything in the realm of sexual assault. The sad part is, it has diminished real conversations about these issues and marginalized instances where legitimate wrongs have occurred.

The good news is that we already have true forgiveness that we don't deserve.

Amen! Let these idiots eat their own. You have to dance with the one that brought ya, and Northam can forever wallow in his own misery. You lie down with, dogs you get fleas.

 

[castlesl]

I would say those are the minority ......and those “Champions” do what they do out of guilt, but still maintain their beliefs.

The older I get, the less I like people. I’m not at @tigerGUY levels of grumpy old man ..... but give it 10 years and I’m sure I’ll be there.

Earth needs another flood like a fat chick needs sweat pants

Aren’t we lucky to have a guy like you. He knows that everyone who ever gave their life to a cause did so out of guilt. You sound like a synical grump who is just a joy to be around. Maybe you are the problem.

This is where I says something about looking at the man in the mirror.

 

[rshbpbc]

What I think is the much greater indictment on how morally void our society has become is that people are more upset by that 30 year old picture than they are about his condoning infanticide last week.

 

[cu82fan]

What is incredible to me is the fact that this guy evidently believes it is ok to kill a baby that is about to take its first breath, but the thing that makes him a horrible human being is some stupid costume he wore when he was 19 years old.

This may be the most poignant and insightful post I have ever seen on TI. Thank you Orangelvis.

 

[iceheart08]

This may be the most poignant and insightful post I have ever seen on TI. Thank you Orangelvis.

yikes

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

It’s been my expiernece that people do not change. Opinions can evolve as a individual gains more life experiences but core beliefs and traits will always stay the same.

Agree and disagree. We are mostly judged by what we do, not so much what we think, unless you are a Facebook junkie. Pretty “normal” guy makes bad decisions, he’s typically seen as a bad guy. Same guy makes selfish decisions, he’s viewed as selfish. Fast forward 20 years, same “normal” guy makes unselfish decisions and does chartible things, and treats others as he wants to be treated, he’s viewed in a more positive manner.

 

[clemsonalex]

yikes

So you 100% support Northam. Is that true or no? Based on your history, I know the answer.

 

[iceheart08]

So you 100% support Northam. Is that true or no? Based on your history, I know the answer.

Lol. Northam should resign.

 

[clemsonalex]

Lol. Northam should resign.

But yet you said yikes. Hypocrisy must be a prerequisite to being a liberal.

 

[AnotherTigerNatty]

Just reading about the Gov of Virginia and thought about Kevin Hart, Judge Cavanaugh and others.

In today’s environment can you be forgiven for something that happened 30 years ago?

I’m not talking about a crime, but more so a change of thought or position. There is video evidence of almost every politician that proves they have flip-flopped on a subject.

So have I, but it’s not on video. I would be embarrassed for some of my friends to know what I said or did 30 years ago.

I think you should be held more accountable for what you do and who you are now!

Without being political, what are your thoughts on the subject?

Will some great leaders be denied for jobs or positions because of stupid things they did as teenagers or young adults? Clearly that is so, but can we change that trend?

Northram should not resign due to wearing blackface or wearing a hood.

He should resign for publicity professing his belief in infanticide.

 

[PAWrocka]

Aren’t we lucky to have a guy like you. He knows that everyone who ever gave their life to a cause did so out of guilt. You sound like a synical grump who is just a joy to be around. Maybe you are the problem.

This is where I says something about looking at the man in the mirror.

Thanks for the comment. I really value it. Have a good evening

 

[iceheart08]

But yet you said yikes. Hypocrisy must be a prefequisite to being a liberal.

Yikes

 

[clemsonalex]

Yikes

And you wonder why you are an asshole on this board.

 

[jimbob1019]

Forgiveness?

It all depends on who you ask...

Skeletons in the closet of a liberal...perhaps, they can be forgiven if it isn’t swept under the rug fast enough...

Skeletons in the closet of a conservative...they unequivocally cannot be forgiven ever (even if the accusation is fiction) b/c, as we all know, all conservatives are racist, sexist, homophobic, islamaphobic, xenophobic bigots according to liberals

 

[yuthgi]

Youthful indiscretion? Who among us has not done something stupid, -ist, or politically incorrect? If I wore a Freddy Krueger or Iason mask as a teenager in the 80’s does that make me a muderer? If I dressed as a female cheerleader during powderpuff week while in high school does that make me a trans? Or that I was appropriating trans culture?

IF I dressed in black face or as a KKK member as a joke, a prank or a dare (or out of sheer stupidity and insensitivity) that would make me a racist for life? I think all this rear view mirror vision crap is ridiculous. I am no fan of the VA Gov at all, but sheesh are we overreacting to the picture the way we overreacted to Kavanaugh’s yearbook writing?