OT: If you are voting for Hillary Clinton, can you please tell us why?

[jimbob1019]

Don't use "Well she's better than Donald Trump" as your answer...

I'm asking for one good solid reason as to why you would vote for her...Donald Trump aside...

Just a discussion question folks...thanks

 

[CMTiger15]

Round Table in 3...2...1..

 

[funkbott]

Don't use "Well she's better than Donald Trump" as your answer...

I'm asking for one good solid reason as to why you would vote for her...Donald Trump aside...

Just a discussion question folks...thanks

Well she's better than Donald Trump. HTH

 

[rtiger]

Well she wants to transform the US into a socialist state. She doesn't think hampering our economy with taxes is bad. She truly believes that the more entitlement programs, the better. She's corrupt and a liar. Her hero is Saul Alinsky.

I can get on board with that. I'm one of the sheeple.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Im voting for her b/c she's a woman, and she's honest. Plus, I think she honestly has the countries best interest in mind. I think she will stop illegal immigration, and I think she will excel at our economy. Plus I don't think she is racist. I think trump is racist b/c he wants to stop illegal immigration. I also don't care about her emails, they are just emails...

 

[jarrod.moore]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson but I will give you what I think is a valid response.

Despite being a terrible person she legitimately has the best political resume of any candidate since President HW Bush. Active legislative First Lady, Two term Senator, and Secretary of State.

Despite not being fantastic at all of those jobs, the experience matters. Understanding how DC works matters. That is why political outsiders are relative failures at getting things done; i.e. President Carter and President Obama. She also has the chance to be the only President with first hand knowledge of the job in the same residence (we'll assume not the same bed). That sort of help is immeasurable.

Lastly she isn't an ideologue like Presidents W. Bush or Obama. IMO her administration will look a lot like her husband's. She is a relative centrist who will move to the will of the polls, just like her husband. Also, as opposed to President Obama, she knows how to work with Congress, not try to dictate to them like the new camp counselor. IMO she'll pick her spots and attack when politically valuable and expedient.

President Trump IMO would sub tweet everyone while trying to midget toss illegal immigrants over a wall.

Disaster one term President either way IMO. Personally can't support either of them, so I am using my voice to vote for the only sane person I see. And before you say I'm wasting my vote, I'm not. The only wasted vote is the one not cast. And soldiers didn't shed their blood on fields and in seas for me to be too lazy to raise my hand.

 

[tigerman92]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson but I will give you what I think is a valid response.

Despite being a terrible person she legitimately has the best political resume of any candidate since President HW Bush. Active legislative First Lady, Two term Senator, and Secretary of State.

Despite not being fantastic at all of those jobs, the experience matters. Understanding how DC works matters. That is why political outsiders are relative failures at getting things done; i.e. President Carter and President Obama. She also has the chance to be the only President with first hand knowledge of the job in the same residence (we'll assume not the same bed). That sort of help is immeasurable.

Lastly she isn't an ideologue like Presidents W. Bush or Obama. IMO her administration will look a lot like her husband's. She is a relative centrist who will move to the will of the polls, just like her husband. Also, as opposed to President Obama, she knows how to work with Congress, not try to dictate to them like the new camp counselor. IMO she'll pick her spots and attack when politically valuable and expedient.

President Trump IMO would sub tweet everyone while trying to midget toss illegal immigrants over a wall.

Disaster one term President either way IMO. Personally can't support either of them, so I am using my voice to vote for the only sane person I see. And before you say I'm wasting my vote, I'm not. The only wasted vote is the one not cast. And soldiers didn't shed their blood on fields and in seas for me to be too lazy to raise my hand.

I would disagree on a few items:
1. In order to have a good political resume', you have to hold those positions and do a great job in those positions. I think there is plenty of evidence that she had issues in several of those roles. We continue to find out more information that not only did she have performance issues, but her motives were more personal and did not have the best interest of the Country at heart. I believe you agree with some of my statement when you say "Despite not being fantastic at all those jobs..."
2. I think we need more political outsiders. We will start getting things done when we have enough outsiders in Washington who are more concerned about doing what is right and not what needs to be done to get re-elected or to re-pay political favors. A great leader will do what is right and surround himself/herself with people who have the experience needed to get the job done.
3. I do not want a politician who makes decisions based on polls. I want a politician who does what is right for the Country. You cannot make everyone happy. You cannot do what is right for everyone. Plus, the polls can be manipulated in numerous ways to get different results. The polls cannot be trusted.
4. Trump is not against immigration. He is just ready to draw a line and say that we need to FOLLOW THE LAW. We cannot have open borders in this country. We have to have a controlled flow and know who is in this country. We will always have immigration (and should). It just needs to be down in a controlled, legal manner.

Glad to see that you will be voting and not sitting this one out. Trump is far from ideal, but definitely the better choice. If you can't vote for Trump then maybe you can vote against Hillary (which is what a vote for Trump will be).

 

[tigerGUY]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson but I will give you what I think is a valid response.

Despite being a terrible person she legitimately has the best political resume of any candidate since President HW Bush. Active legislative First Lady, Two term Senator, and Secretary of State.

Despite not being fantastic at all of those jobs, the experience matters. Understanding how DC works matters. That is why political outsiders are relative failures at getting things done; i.e. President Carter and President Obama. She also has the chance to be the only President with first hand knowledge of the job in the same residence (we'll assume not the same bed). That sort of help is immeasurable.

Lastly she isn't an ideologue like Presidents W. Bush or Obama. IMO her administration will look a lot like her husband's. She is a relative centrist who will move to the will of the polls, just like her husband. Also, as opposed to President Obama, she knows how to work with Congress, not try to dictate to them like the new camp counselor. IMO she'll pick her spots and attack when politically valuable and expedient.

President Trump IMO would sub tweet everyone while trying to midget toss illegal immigrants over a wall.

Disaster one term President either way IMO. Personally can't support either of them, so I am using my voice to vote for the only sane person I see. And before you say I'm wasting my vote, I'm not. The only wasted vote is the one not cast. And soldiers didn't shed their blood on fields and in seas for me to be too lazy to raise my hand.

I have some property east of Jax Beach I'll sell you...cheap.

 

[saber8689]

I am voting for her solely to help ensure Trump doesn't win.

I think she is dishonest, I don't agree with her policies, and think she did a bad job as Secretary of state.

That being said, I'd rather have 8 years of Hillary than the horror of Trump.

And voting for Gary will take votes away from Hillary rather than Trump, essentially helping him.

 

[Bi-PolarTiger]

Hillary may legitimately be the antichrist, but I feel she is less of a danger to this country than the Trump.

#Johnson2016

 

[iceheart08]

Bubbles...

 

[Tiger Guru]

Hillary may legitimately be the antichrist, but I feel she is less of a danger to this country the Trump.

#Johnson2016

Serious question... do you think he will win? Or do you think he just only splits the votes?

 

[iceheart08]

Serious question... do you think he will win? Or do you think he just only splits the votes?

of course he doesnt think GJ is going to win.

But, frankly, The Donald's chances at this point arent much better according to nearly every single pollster on the planet.

 

[Cavitybacks]

Well, at least one person actually has a reason of why someone may vote for her.

Let's be honest, the majority of Americans are "on the take" and will vote for the Democrat no matter what. Democrats are reproducing at a higher percentage. Horrible Voter Turnout is the only thing republicans can hope for.

If social issues weren't a thing, a republican would never win. Everyone I work with votes Republican due to "them liberals is takin our guns and Killin Babies" yet the government completely paid for their entire pregnancy, pediatrician bills, etc. All these programs that democrats want to expand. Everyone has their hand out.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Because I feel like I have no choice (and Republicans are apparently too stupid to get out of their own way). I don't like Hillary Clinton at all. I approve of some of her positions (especially social) and disapprove of other (especially fiscal). That makes me a social liberal and fiscal conservative or an Independent and folks like to say. I sometimes vote Democratic and sometimes Republican.

In other words, I'm EXACTLY the demographic that Republicans need to win on a national level. But for the last 5 to 10 years, the Republicans have been pushing me and those like me away as far and as fast as they can. Allowing the extreme right of the party to dictate to the rest is a really bad move.

The Republican party could have nominated just about ANYONE and they would have been able to beat Hillary. But instead of nominating a decent person and taking the win (and by the way, you'd have control of the white house, the senate, and the HoR) they shiit the bed and nominate on the of few human beings that Hillary can beat.

Donald Trump is a narsasist and a sociopath of the highest order. He loses his shiit whenever anyone disagrees with him and will say or do ANYTHING. I honestly don't see how anyone could consider voting for him. He has made a habit of looking out for himself his entire life and screw the consequences for anyone else.

 

[Bi-PolarTiger]

Serious question... do you think he will win? Or do you think he just only splits the votes?

Not Serious Answer: Do you only root for Clemson on games you think they will win? Or do you root for Clemson every time.

Serious Answer: I think the two party system is killing this country. Voting for a third party increases the opportunity for them to be included in debates, therefore opening the eyes of many Americans that are too stupid to understand they have options other than (R) or (D). Picking the lesser of two evils is not something I can do as a man of principle.

A third party needs polling numbers of at least 15% in most cases to even be on the ballot. Who do you think created these arbitrary rules. It would be the Biopoly of the Democrats and Republicans coming together to create the nation's largest voter fraud problem that no one talks about.

An inclusion of Gary Johnson on the debates would steer both major candidates to a more centralized position. It's funny, every time I tell someone I'm supporting Johnson, if they are a Trump voter they tell me he's taking votes away for Trump. If they are a Hillary supporter, they tell me he's taking away Hillary votes. (Sort of like @saber8689 ) It's quite comical to see their own delusion in this whole process; that me supporting a third party is automatically taking votes from whomever they are voting for.

To be completely honest, I'm writing in my cousin's name. In a drunken rage about 3 months ago, I vowed to write in his name for president, because I would trust him more than the two corrupt spawns of satan that currently lead the polls. And like I said, I'm a man of principle, so I will stand by my word.

Lastly, If you still think your vote counts, then you are asleep and truly living
"The American Dream"

 

[iceheart08]

Not Serious Answer: Do you only root for Clemson on games you think they will win? Or do you root for Clemson every time.

Serious Answer: I think the two party system is killing this country. Voting for a third party increases the opportunity for them to be included in debates, therefore opening the eyes of many Americans that are too stupid to understand they have options other than (R) or (D). Picking the lesser of two evils is not something I can do as a man of principle.

A third party needs polling numbers of at least 15% in most cases to even be on the ballot. Who do you think created these arbitrary rules. It would be the Biopoly of the Democrats and Republicans coming together to create the nation's largest voter fraud problem that no one talks about.

An inclusion of Gary Johnson on the debates would steer both major candidates to a more centralized position. It's funny, every time I tell someone I'm supporting Johnson, if they are a Trump voter they tell me he's taking votes away for Trump. If they are a Hillary supporter, they tell me he's taking away Hillary votes. (Sort of like @saber8689 ) It's quite comical to see their own delusion in this whole process; that me supporting a third party is automatically taking votes from whomever they are voting for.

To be completely honest, I'm writing in my cousin's name. In a drunken rage about 3 months ago, I vowed to write in his name for president, because I would trust him more than the two corrupt spawns of satan that currently lead the polls. And like I said, I'm a man of principle, so I will stand by my word.

Lastly, If you still think your vote counts, then you are asleep and truly living
"The American Dream"

No one talks about the "nations largest voter fraud problem" because, as you stated it, it doesn't exist. The 15% threshold in national polling has nothing to do with being on the ballot. Each state has different requirements for third party candidates, as well as different deadlines, for access to the ballot.

Also, Gary Johnston isnt taking any votes from HRC. But the assertion that GJ is taking votes from DJT is probably accurate. On the flip-side I wouldnt say Jill Stein is taking many votes from HRC though. A lot of the bernie-or-bust people werent democrats before bernie, and wont be democrats after, so the 3-6% of the population voting for Jill Stein wont have a negative impact on HRC.

The 15% is the number needed to participate in presidential debates.

 

[Tiger Guru]

Not Serious Answer: Do you only root for Clemson on games you think they will win? Or do you root for Clemson every time.

Serious Answer: I think the two party system is killing this country. Voting for a third party increases the opportunity for them to be included in debates, therefore opening the eyes of many Americans that are too stupid to understand they have options other than (R) or (D). Picking the lesser of two evils is not something I can do as a man of principle.

A third party needs polling numbers of at least 15% in most cases to even be on the ballot. Who do you think created these arbitrary rules. It would be the Biopoly of the Democrats and Republicans coming together to create the nation's largest voter fraud problem that no one talks about.

An inclusion of Gary Johnson on the debates would steer both major candidates to a more centralized position. It's funny, every time I tell someone I'm supporting Johnson, if they are a Trump voter they tell me he's taking votes away for Trump. If they are a Hillary supporter, they tell me he's taking away Hillary votes. (Sort of like @saber8689 ) It's quite comical to see their own delusion in this whole process; that me supporting a third party is automatically taking votes from whomever they are voting for.

To be completely honest, I'm writing in my cousin's name. In a drunken rage about 3 months ago, I vowed to write in his name for president, because I would trust him more than the two corrupt spawns of satan that currently lead the polls. And like I said, I'm a man of principle, so I will stand by my word.

Lastly, If you still think your vote counts, then you are asleep and truly living
"The American Dream"

Yeah it really was a serious question. I was wondering if people voting for him think he will be or has a chance to be the next President. I Like Trump. I like what he says, I watch what he says. I don't care how he says something. I certainly consider myself Anti Federalist, therefore i'm not a big Government guy. I prefer to vote Independent. I would consider myself Fiscally Conservative and Socially Moderate. I really don't care about Social Issues. Trump fits that bill to me. He is not a Republican and was going to run independent, which I would have voted for him that way. But Gary Johnson is a "big government" guy, and I can't vote for him. I guess, IMO I want to be able to look back at my son and tell him I did what I could do to keep Hillary out of office. That's all I can do for him is try. I understand everyone has a different opinion, and im not here to argue who is better or my guy is better. Im just doing everything in my power to keep our country from someone like Hillary Clinton and Democratic party. If you ever research the Democratic party it is truly disgusting. Disgusting how racist they were and are, and they try to distance themselves from it. It's truly sad what they used to do to black people that voted Republican. It's sad that they thought if they could get the black people to vote for them the "would own them for another 200 years". They are essentially the creators of the KKK. The KKK has always voted Democratic, yet the Democrats try to spin everything that the Republicans are racist. The Republicans are just crooked old rich guys that love to keep their power and money, which is wrong IMO as well. The Democrats are truly disgusting people. And they have a huge history of it, that they want everyone to ignore. I just in a million years do not want that party to ever have control over this country again. They are vile, IMO. The republican party is crooked too. They both are not what we need, but i can only vote the best person. Im not voting the lesser of two evils. I honestly think Trump will be a great President. I think he's a great leader. Im not voting for Party, Im voting the best Leader, IMO. But that's why i was asking, i wondered if you thought he had a shot, that's all.

 

[IMBlessed]

Don't use "Well she's better than Donald Trump" as your answer...

I'm asking for one good solid reason as to why you would vote for her...Donald Trump aside...

Just a discussion question folks...thanks

I am retired military, Black American Man & voting for Hilary Clinton because, Donald Trump has:
1. Insulted Black People especially with his recent rhetoric - you want Black Votes don't lecture & insult me in front of 99% White Audience with little or no facts!
2. Insult Senator McCain!
3. Insult Gold Star Family!
4. Lack temperament too thin skin!
5. Lacks basic understanding of world events i.e. "I know more about ISIS than the generals & admirals"!
6. Can't take him serious, i.e. Today he will round up & deport all illegals & tomorrow he is emphatic!
7. Senator McConnel, Reinc Prebius, many many staunch Conservatives have no love for the man!
8. Where are his tax returns?!
9. Insulted President Bush patriotism!
10. Can't run a campaign!
11. Birther etc...

 

[wmnesbitt]

So as I read the attemp at serious answers as to why someone is voting for Hilary is because you dont like trump

Got it. For me personally. I would rather people dontheir best to kick the clintons out of DC. I will risk 4 years of Trump over her and him.

 

[Da Swami]

Anybody name Jimbo is a good indicator that I need to do the opposite.

 

[jimbob1019]

I am retired military, Black American Man & voting for Hilary Clinton because, Donald Trump has:
1. Insulted Black People especially with his recent rhetoric - you want Black Votes don't lecture & insult me in front of 99% White Audience with little or no facts!
2. Insult Senator McCain!
3. Insult Gold Star Family!
4. Lack temperament too thin skin!
5. Lacks basic understanding of world events i.e. "I know more about ISIS than the generals & admirals"!
6. Can't take him serious, i.e. Today he will round up & deport all illegals & tomorrow he is emphatic!
7. Senator McConnel, Reinc Prebius, many many staunch Conservatives have no love for the man!
8. Where are his tax returns?!
9. Insulted President Bush patriotism!
10. Can't run a campaign!
11. Birther etc...

Ok...well, the question was why would you vote Hillary without using Donald Trump in your answer...j just wanted to hear one reason why you think she's qualified...

But since you went that route, here goes?
1. Insulted black people? What?? Cause he willing to tell the truth about the problems within the black community? At least he can acknowledge it & isn't a part of this PC culture that's destroying this nation...what exactly has 60 years worth of voting for the Democratic party done for the black community??? But you will follow Hillary...the candidate that is running as the champion of the black community in 2016, but ran as champion of the white, hard-working middle class in 2008....

2. She insulted Sen. McCain in 2008 saying he doesn't have the "temperament" to be President...sound familiar?

3. Gold Star families blame President Bush for the Iraq War (I'm point #9, you list Bush insults as a reason to vote for Hillary)...by the way, Hillary supported the war...

4. You think Trump is thin-skinned? I just think he has balls & won't be pushed around...but check out the last time Hillary Clinton has held a press conference where all the questions aren't scripted? Close to a year...you know why? B/c she doesn't wanna answer tough questions & is actually quite the hothead...by all accounts.

5. And she knows about world events? She's a part of an administration that called ISIS a JV team & can't even say the words "radical Islamic terrorism"...id say Trump understands the threat better than she does...

6. We do need a wall...& people only need to enter this country legally. Liberals (Hillary included) want a world without borders...this nation will fall quickly if we allow status quo to continue...

7. Maybe it's time somebody shakes the Republican party up...particularly the establishment b/c they haven't did anything in years...

8. Clinton foundation?????????

9. Bengazi????????

10. Email Scandal?????????

11. Again, tell me anything she's done well ever?!?!

And one more question, from a different angle...your handle is IMBlessed...im assuming you're a Christian (as am I)...

If you are (as I believe you are), how can you, I'm good conscience, vote for the Democratic party at this point?? They support (& celebrate) homosexuality & abortion. They support globalization, which is the precursor to one world govt & a new world order. They have become increasingly hostile to Israel. They (liberals) have become increasingly critical of Christianity while embracing Islam. Etc ...the Bible is very clear on such things...how can you vote that way now?

I'm not saying voting Republican makes you a candidate for sainthood b/c heaven knows, there ain't many saints in that party either but I'm just curious...& just so you know, I came from a family that was staunch Democrat when I was younger...i voted for Bill Clinton in my first ever major election but the majority of my family has since changed our stance...from a biblical standpoint, the Democratic party just doesn't represent me anymore...

 

[IMBlessed]

Ok...well, the question was why would you vote Hillary without using Donald Trump in your answer...j just wanted to hear one reason why you think she's qualified...

But since you went that route, here goes?
1. Insulted black people? What?? Cause he willing to tell the truth about the problems within the black community? At least he can acknowledge it & isn't a part of this PC culture that's destroying this nation...what exactly has 60 years worth of voting for the Democratic party done for the black community??? But you will follow Hillary...the candidate that is running as the champion of the black community in 2016, but ran as champion of the white, hard-working middle class in 2008....

2. She insulted Sen. McCain in 2008 saying he doesn't have the "temperament" to be President...sound familiar?

3. Gold Star families blame President Bush for the Iraq War (I'm point #9, you list Bush insults as a reason to vote for Hillary)...by the way, Hillary supported the war...

4. You think Trump is thin-skinned? I just think he has balls & won't be pushed around...but check out the last time Hillary Clinton has held a press conference where all the questions aren't scripted? Close to a year...you know why? B/c she doesn't wanna answer tough questions & is actually quite the hothead...by all accounts.

5. And she knows about world events? She's a part of an administration that called ISIS a JV team & can't even say the words "radical Islamic terrorism"...id say Trump understands the threat better than she does...

6. We do need a wall...& people only need to enter this country legally. Liberals (Hillary included) want a world without borders...this nation will fall quickly if we allow status quo to continue...

7. Maybe it's time somebody shakes the Republican party up...particularly the establishment b/c they haven't did anything in years...

8. Clinton foundation?????????

9. Bengazi????????

10. Email Scandal?????????

11. Again, tell me anything she's done well ever?!?!

And one more question, from a different angle...your handle is IMBlessed...im assuming you're a Christian (as am I)...

If you are (as I believe you are), how can you, I'm good conscience, vote for the Democratic party at this point?? They support (& celebrate) homosexuality & abortion. They support globalization, which is the precursor to one world govt & a new world order. They have become increasingly hostile to Israel. They (liberals) have become increasingly critical of Christianity while embracing Islam. Etc ...the Bible is very clear on such things...how can you vote that way now?

I'm not saying voting Republican makes you a candidate for sainthood b/c heaven knows, there ain't many saints in that party either but I'm just curious...& just so you know, I came from a family that was staunch Democrat when I was younger...i voted for Bill Clinton in my first ever major election but the majority of my family has since changed our stance...from a biblical standpoint, the Democratic party just doesn't represent me anymore...

Ok, lengthy & wow! It is odviously you are voting for Donald Trump & have your reasons, as do I not to! The irony is most Conservative Leaders agree with me - The Independent Voter!

1. Your perception of Donald Trump & response to Black People - Shouldn't he have the courage to do so in a Predominantely Black Community? Most of what he is saying is not true, for example:
a. There were more killings Black on Black crimes in the 80 & 90 than today - not something to be proud of!
b. There has never been a higher rate of Black College Educated, Business Owners, Business Professionals in US History.
c. The Black vote is not monolithic but study History! Those 50 years your referring to Republicans/Conservatives did more to stifle Black American progress & no President Lincoln is not a member of the Republican of today! Restricting voting, housing, job & educations has been lead by Republicans - you want My vote (By the Way I am an independent who voted for Regan 2nd term) earn it!
2. You asked why I am voting for Sen. Clinton, I did not ask why you are not!
3. Insulting Sen. McCain & his military service is quite different than his political agenda!
4. I too support the War & until your a Gold Star Family I don't expect you to understand my opinion of them being off limits to politician insults!
5. I love all the Political, Fox, Rush, Shaun H., phrases your using. However, your #4-11 comments are merely respected but further homework away from talking points may prove interesting!
a. For example What are Conservatives doing to address the Herion epidemic in Predominantely White Suburbs especially in Ohio & Maine.
b. What about the mass killings by White Americans in Our Communities!
c. God knows we must address the Predominantely White, White Collar Crimes in Our Country that cost hard working Americians Billions each year.
d. Drugs & illegal weapons in Our inner City, surely you don' believe they are brought in by those poor Black & Minorities in their Airplane & built in their factories, or do you?

What I am saying my friend America has problems, still the Greatest Country in The World, but for a Person like Donald Trump to only emphasize in a Presominantely White Community the Minority negative impact is Un-American!

What did Donald Trump do to help the downtrodden & why if he is so concern did he hire illegals to finish his jobs & why if he is thinking about those poor minorities without jobs did he outsource so many?

Finally, yes I am a Bible toting, Jesus thumping 100% God fearing Christian! As such please show me in the Bible where God said Conservatives are The Christian Party of Earth, please. Furthermore:

1. Why are the Evengelicals Only supporting Republicans? For every Liberal that commit sins, I can show a ConServative! Isn't adultry a sin...well Rush, Donald, Newt & the Boys Say Hello!
2. I do not support Abortion, but the law of the land while doing the Christian thing of trying to teach people that killing in any shape or form is not of God. Your anti-abortion great, but what about execution?
3. Bible teaches me to judge yet ye be judged, thus no I do not support the homosexual agenda. I do pray for those that live lifestyle different than taught in the Bible, i.e. Divorce (Donald Trump 3rd wife), Peodephiles, Adulters & the sexually deviant!
4. There were & still are people in Our Country that interpert the Bible to justify Slavery, Jim Crow/Separate but Equal, No Inter-racial dating/marriage & hate! Again my God teaches me to Love Unconditionally & Pray for the lost sheeps without judging.
5. Study of The Book of Revelations will, if your a Christian, place in perspective your views of Christian persecution, Muslim & Jewish Strifes & why the World is As it is today!

Proverbs 3:5-6, I will vote for Sen. Clinton & win or loose, I Belong To God 100% & He Promised , 1 Peter 5:10 thus Amen!

 

[hopefultiger13]

I hear you IMBlessed... Yep, this is a case of having a bad candidate and a worse one...

It's obvious to me that Trump is a really bad man. He will tear down anyone and anything that doesn't totally support him and do and say anything that crosses his mind. He doesn't even pretend to hide his contempt for people of color. It's equally as obvious that his supporters don't care. I too am a bit confused about how the whole Christian/Trump thing works... but it is what it is.

I'm just not sure how the blue collar workers in the South and the middle class get the impression that Trump is going to help them out. The principle of not taxing the wealthy and thinking that that is going to create good paying jobs CLEARLY doesn't work. Jobs are created by demand for workers (whether that demand is for engineers or ditch diggers). No business owner or corporation is going to create a new job just b/c they are making more money (from less taxes). There has to be a REASON to create that job. Take Exxon Mobile in the mid to late 2000s. Oil prices when sky high and they were the most profitable company in the world (but they didn't NEED to pump more oil or find new oil... they were just making bank on what they already had). SO their workforce stayed almost flat (as did wages for most of their employees). All that profit went into the stockholders' and executives' pockets.

For other examples, check out Kansas and LA. Both states have Rep Governors and Legislatures. Taxes were slashed on businesses and the wealthy. Financial DISASTER in both states. Kansas couldn't even keeps its schools open all year last year and LA was actually talking about closing LSU. All that money that was supposed to create jobs went into the pockets of the wealthy.

Now Republicans have some good ideas, don't get me wrong. But on this, they are looking out for their wealthy donors at the expense of the middle class and the poor. But sure and the sun will come up tomorrow, Republicans will sell that shiit to poor/middle class white folks (especially in the South). And those will just sit there while these guys piss all over them and say "Isn't this rain wonderful!".

Trump is going to look after Trump. And he is not middle class or poor. Does anyone REALLY think he's going to take money out of his own pocket?

 

[toolucky52384]

Not voting for hillary clinton, but i think one reason one might vote clinton would be because they believe taxes are too low and that the government should provide more services. i don't agree that the government should provide more services, so i am not voting for her. i could also see someone voting for hillary clinton because they believe she is the best qualified of the available choices to guide foreign policy and be commander in chief. in a binary choice i would agree with the second statement.

i'll be voting for johnson, would vote hillary as my second choice.

my voting / support record:

2000 (was 17 but actively engaged in politics) - Bush
2004 - Kerry (believed Bush to be completely incompetent and unqualified at this point)
2008 - McCain
2012 - Romney

 

[FLaw47]

I'll be voting for Clinton because I agree with her policies more than any of the other candidates:
-Work on climate change
-Moving towards universal healthcare
-Increasing taxes on the wealthy
-LGBT rights
-Support for Planned Parenthood
-Immigration Reform

The list goes on.

I also believe her being corrupt is overplayed and that it's within a standard deviation of median DC politician corruption.