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"If you say who gets fired it always has to be the top.Problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. And the president’s the leader. He’s got to get everyone in a room and he’s gotta lead. But he doesn’t do that. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head of the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. They’re “going to be talking about ... who the president was at that time."

- Donald Trump (talking about the possibility of a 2013 government shutdown on Fox and Friends).

"The Dems own the Shutdown!"

- Donald Trump, 2018 Tweet.
 
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Well, honestly, there's plenty of blame to go around. But the leadership part is spot on. Trump called a glorified press conference with the Dems and proceeded to talk out of his ass (including taking credit for the current shutdown... which was just stupid). Attempting to berate the people you need help from publicly is not the way to run the country. Trump HAD the votes he needed in the House to get what he wanted. He needed NINE, just NINE votes in the Senate to get his wall funded.

IMHO, that's the time that you go behind the scenes and take a look at some Democratic Senators from the middle of the country. What do they need to swing a vote? Maybe give a little on DACA. You know MAKE A FREAKING DEAL. Isn't that what he's good at?
 
Well that is certainly spot on....maybe someone should have him read it

BS. The Republicans and Libtards can kiss my ass. I don't particularly care for President Trump's brashness, but the man made promises. Despite his own party and Liberals bitching, moaning and lying, he's at least trying to get those promises fulfilled.....vs. unconstitutional Obama shit.
 
BS. The Republicans and Libtards can kiss my ass. I don't particularly care for President Trump's brashness, but the man made promises. Despite his own party and Liberals bitching, moaning and lying, he's at least trying to get those promises fulfilled.....vs. unconstitutional Obama shit.

Serious question: can you provide details of the “unconstitutional shit” that President Obama did? I think it would clear up a lot of issues for those not as informed as yourself
 
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BS. The Republicans and Libtards can kiss my ass. I don't particularly care for President Trump's brashness, but the man made promises. Despite his own party and Liberals bitching, moaning and lying, he's at least trying to get those promises fulfilled.....vs. unconstitutional Obama shit.

I think you are missing THE WHOLE POINT @tigerGUY here. It doesn't have anything to do with the wall (or not) or campaign promises (or breaking them). It has everything to do with leadership and responsibility When he is speaking about Obama, Trump is saying that when there's a problem, you start looking at the top and it's up to that top guy to get everyone together and show leadership to solve the problem. He then. points out that the blame falls on the top guy (he also at least hints that he thinks this is correct).

The point here was comparing Trump's thinking about what the President SHOULD do when there is a threat of a government shutdown and what Trump actually DOES when he's the President. Because there seems to be JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENCE between the talk and the walk.
 
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Dumbass really thinks a wall is necessary. Is willing to shut down the government for something over half the country is against.
 
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BS. The Republicans and Libtards can kiss my ass. I don't particularly care for President Trump's brashness, but the man made promises. Despite his own party and Liberals bitching, moaning and lying, he's at least trying to get those promises fulfilled.....vs. unconstitutional Obama shit.

His promise was that Mexico would pay for the wall. How is shutting down the government unless the American taxpayers for it keeping that promise?
 
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DRAIN THE SWAMP TRUMP!
He hasn’t drained the swamp of anyone. Pelosi is back to being Speaker of the House. The only people who’ve left Washington are Trump’s own appointments, most of whom were outside the beltliners.

If he continues racking up the “successes” he’s had with draining the swamp, Hillary will end up being President after all.
 
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Gorsuch....Kavenaugh... and he will replace Ginsburg easily now that the Senate went even more Republican. Not to mention all his judicial appointees will really roll through after the new year.

Build the wall.... don’t build the wall...the effect he will have on this country from the above paragraph is multi generational and I thank the good Lord he somehow won the Presidency.
 
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BS. The Republicans and Libtards can kiss my ass. I don't particularly care for President Trump's brashness, but the man made promises. Despite his own party and Liberals bitching, moaning and lying, he's at least trying to get those promises fulfilled.....vs. unconstitutional Obama shit.

Wrong. He told us all Mexico was going to pay for it. So while he may be trying to deliver on the wall itself, it’s just another lie in the long list of lies and more stupidity from Washington.

 
Gorsuch....Kavenaugh... and he will replace Ginsburg easily now that the Senate went even more Republican. Not to mention all his judicial appointees will really roll through after the new year.

Build the wall.... don’t build the wall...the effect he will have on this country from the above paragraph is multi generational and I thank the good Lord he somehow won the Presidency.

Yes because our country would have gone in the shitter if he wasnt. Wait its headed there now
 
Citing info wars unironically? Yikes.[/QUOTE

Instead of a one-liner comment about the source, why not address the facts in that linked article? Most are true. The former fascost president often overstepped his authority.
 

Many of those claims include words like "probably"... Facts? Ha.

And lol at spending any part of my life refuting info wars idiocy.
 
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Ahh. Info wars. Here's the Wikipedia page on it: That's some quality source siting there.

InfoWars is a far-right American conspiracy theory and fake news website.[14] It was founded in 1999, and is owned by Free Speech Systems LLC.

Talk shows and other content for the site are created primarily in studios at an undisclosed location in an industrial area outside Austin, Texas.[15] The InfoWars website receives approximately 10 million monthly visits, making its reach greater than some mainstream news websites such as The Economist and Newsweek.[16][17]

The site has regularly published fake stories which have been linked to harassment of victims.[a] In February 2018, Alex Jones, the publisher, director and owner of InfoWars, was accused of discrimination and sexually harassing employees.[24] InfoWars, and in particular Jones, advocate numerous conspiracy theories particularly around purported domestic false flag operations by the U.S. Government (which they allege include the 9/11 attacks and Sandy Hook shootings). InfoWars has issued retractions various times as a result of legal challenges.[20][21] Jones has also had contentious material removed, or been suspended or banned from various social media websites, including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Apple.[25][26][27][28]


Controversies
Promotion of conspiracy theories and fake news
InfoWars disseminates various conspiracy theories, such as speaking against the HPV vaccine[18] and claiming that the 2017 Las Vegas shooting was part of a conspiracy.[45]

InfoWars advocates New World Order conspiracy theories, 9/11 conspiracy theories, chemtrails, conspiracy theories involving Bill Gates, supposed covert government weather control programs, claims of rampant domestic false flag operations by the US Government (including 9/11) and the unsupported claim that millions voted illegally in the 2016 US presidential election.[46][47] Jones frequently uses InfoWars to assert that new high-profile mass shootings are conspiracies or "false flag" operations, claims which are often then spread.[48][49] This has been characterized as Second Amendment "fan fiction".[50]

Infowars has published and promoted fake news,[22] and Jones has been accused of knowingly misleading people to make money.[51] As part of the FBI's probe into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, Infowars was investigated to see if it was complicit in the disseminating of fake news stories put out by Russian bots.[52]

From May 2014 to November 2017, InfoWars republished articles from multiple sources without permission, including over 1,000 from Russian state-sponsored news network RT, as well as a smaller number of stories[quantify] from news outlets such as CNN, the BBC, and The New York Times.[53][54]

Claims of false flag school shootings
InfoWars has regularly accused mass shootings of being false flags and survivors of them as crisis actors by the United States government. InfoWars host Alex Jones has promoted the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories. Jones was widely criticized for claiming that the Sandy Hook massacre was "completely fake" and "manufactured".[19]

In March 2018, six families of victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting as well as an FBI agent who responded to the attack filed a defamation lawsuit against Jones for his role in spreading conspiracy theories about the shooting.[55][56][57][58]

Jones has also accused David Hogg and other survivors of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting of being crisis actors.[59]

Harassment by InfoWars viewership
InfoWars promoted fabricated Pizzagate claims. The fake claims led to harassment of the owner and employees of Comet Ping Pong, a Washington, D.C. pizzeria targeted by the conspiracy theories, including threatening phone calls, online harassment, and death threats. The owner sent a letter to Jones in February 2017 demanding a retraction or apology. (Such a letter is required before a party may seek punitive damages in an action for libel under Texas law).[60]

After receiving the letter, Jones issued an apology in March 2017. Alex Jones said that "I want our viewers and listeners to know that we regret any negative impact our commentaries may have had on Mr. Alefantis, Comet Ping Pong, or its employees. We apologize to the extent our commentaries could be construed as negative statements about Mr. Alefantis or Comet Ping Pong, and we hope that anyone else involved in commenting on Pizzagate will do the same thing." InfoWars also issued a correction on its website.[61]

InfoWars reporter Owen Shroyer also targeted East Side Pies, a group of pizza restaurants in Austin, Texas, with similar fake "Pizzagate" claims. Following the claims, the pizza business was targeted by phone threats, vandalism, and harassment, which the co-owners called "alarming, disappointing, disconcerting and scary."[23]

Chobani retraction
In 2017, InfoWars (along with similar sites) published a fake story about U.S. yogurt manufacturer Chobani, with headlines including "Idaho yogurt maker caught importing migrant rapists" and "Allegations that Chobani's practice of hiring refugees brought crime and tuberculosis to Twin Falls". Chobani ultimately filed a federal lawsuit against Jones, which led to a settlement on confidential terms in May 2017. Jones offered an apology and retraction, admitting that he had made "certain statements" on InfoWars "that I now understand to be wrong".[20][21]

Sexual harassment and antisemitism claims
In February 2018, Alex Jones was accused by former employees of antisemitism and sexual harassment of women staff members. Jones denied the allegations.[62][63]

Two former employees filed complaints against Jones.[64]

Removals from other websites
On July 27, 2018, Facebook suspended the official page of pundit and political commentator Alex Jones for 30 days. The website claims that Jones participated in hate speech against Robert Mueller.[65] This was swiftly followed by action from other bodies- on August 6, Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify all removed content by Alex Jones and InfoWars from their platforms for violating their policies. YouTube removed channels associated with Infowars, including The Alex Jones Channel, which had gained 2.4 million subscriptions prior to its removal.[66] On Facebook, four pages associated with InfoWars and Alex Jones were removed due to repeated violations of the website's policies. Apple removed all podcasts associated with Jones from its iTunes platform and its podcast app.[27] On August 13, Vimeo removed all of Jones' videos because they "violated our terms of service prohibitions on discriminatory and hateful content".[67]

Jones' accounts have also been removed from Pinterest,[68] Mailchimp[69] and LinkedIn.[70] As of early August, Jones still had active accounts on Instagram[71] and Twitter.[72][73] Twitter, however, ultimately decided to permanently deactivate Jones' account as well as the InfoWars account in September 2018.[74]

Jones tweeted a Periscope video calling on others "to get their battle rifles ready against antifa, the mainstream media, and Chicom operatives".[75] In the video he also says, "Now is time to act on the enemy before they do a false flag." Twitter cited this as the reason to suspend his account for a week on August 14.[76] On September 6, Twitter permanently banned InfoWars and Alex Jones for repeated violations of the site's terms and conditions. Twitter cited abusive behavior, namely a video that "shows Jones shouting at and berating CNN journalist Oliver Darcy for some 10 minutes during congressional hearings about social media."[28] On September 7, 2018, the Infowars app was removed from the Apple App Store.[77] On September 20, 2018, PayPal informed InfoWars that they would cease processing payments in 10 days. The reason cited was that Infowars' "promotion of hate and discrimination runs counter to our core value of inclusion."[78]
 
No, no one is going to debate infowars claims. Go out and find an article written by a journalist and bring it back here to discuss. No one is going wallow around in the filth with infowars. Infowars is nonsense and if you have to go there to get your opinion verified then you've lost touch with reality.
 
No, no one is going to debate infowars claims. Go out and find an article written by a journalist and bring it back here to discuss. No one is going wallow around in the filth with infowars. Infowars is nonsense and if you have to go there to get your opinion verified then you've lost touch with reality.

Well there's this. BTW, I wouldn't normally say the NYTimes is the best source either, but I figured you would.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/health/obamacare-unconstitutional-texas-judge.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-constitution-weaker-than-he-found-it/512015/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-scandal-free-administration-is-a-myth-1484611574

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/...ump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html?_r=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-facing/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.27ca626bc1c4

Note the 10 most significant ways in which Barack Obama violated the Constitution, in rough chronological order.

1. The Chrysler Bailout

Building on the Bush administration’s illegal use of TARP funds to bail out the auto industry, the Obama administration in 2009 bullied Chrysler’s secured creditors—who were entitled to “absolute priority”—into accepting 30 cents on the dollar, while junior creditors such as labor unions received much more. This subversion of creditor rights violates not just bankruptcy law, but also the Constitution’s Takings and Due Process Clauses.

This blatant crony capitalism—government-directed industrial policy to help political insiders—discourages investors and generally undermines confidence in American rule of law. The Supreme Court ultimately vacated the Second Circuit ruling that allowed this farce to proceed; Chrysler’s creditors are still out of luck, but there’s no legal precedent.

2. Obamacare Implementation

One can, and many have, written whole articles about how the Affordable Care Act is such an affront to the rule of law that its individual mandate and Medicaid coercion—both of which Chief Justice John Roberts rewrote—are just the tip of the lawless iceberg. On implementation, we can’t blame Congress or courts. Here’s a sample:

  • The Labor Department announced in February 2013 that it was delaying for a year the part of the law that limits how much people have to spend on their own insurance. This may have been sensible, but changing a law requires actual legislation.
  • Later that year, the administration announced via blogpost on the eve of the July 4holiday that it was delaying the requirement that employers of at least 50 people provide complying insurance or pay a fine. This time it cited statutory authority, but the cited provisions allow the delay of reporting requirements, not the mandate itself.
  • The famous pledge that “if you like your plan, you can keep it” backfired when insurers started cancelling millions of plans that didn’t comply with Obamacare. So Obama called a press conference to proclaim that people could continue buying non-complying plans for another year—despite the ACA’s language to the contrary. He then refused to consider a House-passed bill that would’ve made this action legal.
  • A little-known part of Obamacare requires congressional staff to get insurance from health exchanges, rather than a taxpayer-funded program. Obama directed the Office of Personnel Management to interpret the law to maintain the generous benefits.
  • Obamacare grants tax credits to people whose employers don’t provide coverage if they buy a plan “through an Exchange established by the State”—and then fines employers for each employee receiving such a subsidy. No tax credits are authorized for residents of states where the exchanges are established by the federal government, as an incentive for states to create exchanges themselves. Because so few (16) states did, however, the IRS issued a rule allowing subsidies (and fines) for plans coming from “a State Exchange, regional Exchange, subsidiary Exchange, and federally-facilitated Exchange.” Yes, we can also blame the Supreme Court for upholding this.
  • The Department of Health and Human Services granted more than 2,000 waivers to employers seeking relief from Obamacare’s regulations. Nearly 20 percent of them went to gourmet restaurants and other businesses in former Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district. Nevada, home to former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, got a blanket waiver, while GOP-controlled states like Indiana and Louisiana were denied. Beyond political favoritism, such dispensations violate a host of constitutional and administrative law provisions like equal protection and the “intelligible principle” needed for congressional delegation of authority to cabinet agencies.
  • HHS also continues paying insurance companies to compensate them for losses caused by Obamacare’s ignorance of basic economics. Alas, Congress never appropriated these funds, so the House of Representatives is suing the administration and won in the district court. Now on appeal, House v. Burwell is stayed until the D.C. Circuit hears from the incoming Trump administration. (Full disclosure: My wife joined the House general counsel’s office last month and is litigating the appeal.)
3. Political Profiling by the IRS

After seeing a rise in the number of applications for tax-exempt status, the IRS in 2010 compiled a “be on the lookout” (“BOLO”) list to identify organizations engaged in political activities. The list included words such as “Tea Party,” “Patriots,” and “Israel”; subjects such as government spending, debt, or taxes; and activities such as criticizing the government, educating about the Constitution, or challenging Obamacare. The targeting continued through May 2013, with no consequences other than Lois Lerner, the chief of the exempt-organizations unit, being held in contempt of Congress—and then being allowed to peacefully retire despite erased records and other cover-ups. Okay, this one qualifies as Nixonian.

4. Recess Appointments

In January 2012, President Obama appointed three members of the National Labor Relations Board, as well as the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, during what he considered to be a Senate recess. But the Senate was still holding “pro forma” sessions every three days—a technique developed by Sen. Harry Reid to thwart Bush recess appointments. (Meanwhile, the Dodd-Frank Act, which created the CFPB, provides that authority remains with the Treasury Secretary until a director is “confirmed by the Senate.”) In 2014, Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the NLRB appointments were illegal, while last year the D.C. Circuit found the CFPB’s structure to be unconstitutional.

5. DACA and DAPA

Congress has shamelessly failed to pass any sort of immigration reform, including for the most sympathetic victims of the current non-system, young people who were brought into the country illegally as children. Nonetheless, during his 2012 reelection campaign, President Obama directed the Department of Homeland Security to issue work and residence permits (Deferred Action to Childhood Arrivals) to the so-called Dreamers.

Then, after the 2014 midterms, the president decided that he had been wrong 22 times in saying he couldn’t give temporary legal status to illegal immigrants. The administration engineered this Deferred Action for Parents of Americans in the wake of Congress’s rejection of the same policies, in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act, immigration law, and the Constitution’s Take Care Clause. A district court enjoined DAPA in February 2015, which action the Fifth Circuit twice affirmed, as did the Supreme Court by a 4-4 vote.

6. Assault On Free Speech and Due Process On College Campuses

In 2013 the Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights, in conjunction with the Justice Department, sent the University of Montana a letter that became a national “blueprint” for tackling sexual harassment. The letter urged a crackdown on “unwelcome” speech and requires complaints to be heard in quasi-judicial procedures that deny legal representation, encourage punishment before trial, and convict based on a mere “more likely than not” standard.

As noted civil libertarian Harvey Silverglate explained this week, the administration construed Title IX—the federal law barring sex discrimination by federally funded schools—as a mandate to punish students and faculty accused of sexual misconduct using procedures that make it extraordinarily difficult for innocent people to defend themselves.

7. The Clean Power Plan

In June 2014, the Environmental Protection Agency proposed a new rule for regulating power-plant emissions. Despite significant criticism, it finalized the rule in August 2015, giving states until 2018 to develop plans to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, with mandatory compliance beginning in 2022.

The EPA cites Section 111 of the Clean Air Act as justification for this Clean Power Plan, but that section can’t give the agency such authority. Section 111 doesn’t permit the government to require states to regulate pollutants from existing sources when those pollutants are already being regulated under Section 112, like those deriving from coal-fired plants. The late Justice Scalia’s last public act was to join an order staying the rule pending further litigation (or, as is likely, a rescinding of the rule).

8. The WOTUS Rule

In May 2015, the EPA announced its new Clean Water Rule, which aims to protect streams and wetlands from pollution. The agency insists that the rule doesn’t affect bodies of water not previously regulated, but several groups have sued on the basis that the rule’s definitions of regulated waters greatly exceed the EPA’s authority under the Clean Water Act to regulate “waters of the United States” (WOTUS).

The Supreme Court has thrice addressed the meaning of that phrase, making clear that, for the EPA to have regulatory authority, a sufficient nexus must exist between the location regulated and “navigable waters.” The Clean Water Rule, however, purports to give EPA power far beyond waters that are “navigable” by any stretch of the word’s definition. Litigation is ongoing.

9. Net Neutrality

In the works throughout the Obama presidency, the Open Internet Rule was adopted in February 2015 and went into effect that June, forbidding internet-service providers (ISPs) from prioritizing different kinds of internet traffic.

The real issue, beyond this “net neutrality,” is the Federal Communications Commission’s manufacture of authority to regulate the internet despite clear congressional instruction that the internet remain unregulated. In 2014, courts struck down the FCC’s 2010 self-aggrandizement under the 1934 Communications Act and 1996 Telecommunications Act, so the agency doubled down by writing a new rule that equated the internet with telephony.

That creative interpretation allowed the FCC to claim the sweeping discretion it had used to manage the AT&T phone monopoly throughout the 20th century. Moreover, while the FCC touts the regulation as ensuring that the internet remains free of censorship, the rule impinges on the First Amendment rights of internet-service providers.

10. EPA’s Cap-And-Trade

In October 2015, the EPA issued a carbon-emissions cap-and-trade regulation, establishing for each state limits on carbon dioxide emission, with four interim steps on the way to the final goal. EPA says that this rule, too, is authorized by Section 111 of the Clean Air Act, but Congress considered and rejected such a cap-and-trade program in 2009. Far from being authorized by the Clean Air Act or lying in some zone of statutory ambiguity, this massive new regulatory scheme contradicts the express will of Congress.

That’s Only The Beginning

It was obviously difficult to narrow that enumeration to just 10—and I cheated by putting all the Obamacare shenanigans under one item. Some may complain that I should’ve prioritized other kinds of executive actions, whether regarding guns or transgender bathroom access or electricity regulation. Others may prefer to invoke President Obama’s decision not to subject the Iran nuclear treaty to a Senate vote—aided by Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker’s naïve complicity—or engaging in the Bowe Bergdahl prisoner swap without notifying Congress. Sadly, the possibilities for this parlor game are nearly endless.

Then, of course, there’s the administration’s abysmal performance before the Supreme Court, where its win percentage hovers around 45 percent (as against a historical norm of 60-70 percent). The Justice Department has even suffered nearly 50 unanimous losses, half again as many as under George W. Bush or Bill Clinton. These cases have come in such disparate areas as criminal procedure, religious liberty, property rights, immigration, securities regulation, tax law, and the separation of powers. They have nothing in common other than incredible assertions of federal power. The government’s arguments across this wide variety of cases would essentially allow the executive branch to do whatever it wants without constitutional restraint.

Are these really the kind of powers President Obama and his progressive enablers would want their worst enemies to have? As my colleague Gene Healy writes in the latest issue of Reason, “the very idea of ‘President Trump’ seemed like a thought experiment a libertarian might have invented to get a liberal friend to focus on the dangers of concentrated power. Now it’s an experiment we’re going to run in real life, starting January 20, 2017.”

If you live by executive action, you die by executive action—whether that means reversing President Obama’s policies or pocketing his constitutional excesses for future use.

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BS. The Republicans and Libtards can kiss my ass. I don't particularly care for President Trump's brashness, but the man made promises. Despite his own party and Liberals bitching, moaning and lying, he's at least trying to get those promises fulfilled.....vs. unconstitutional Obama shit.
You are a hypocrite. I seem to remember both liberals Trump and Obama getting blocked by the Supreme Court numerous times. I also seem to remember Trump wanting to amend the constitution because of immigration....

Which president took more gun rights away? Trump or Obama?

If you guess Trump you are correct. That liberal leach did regulate guns more in 2 years than Obama in 8. You’re such a blind sheep that you won’t belive this.
 
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