NK sent like 18,000 troops. You think PMCs are recruiting North Koreans? And they’re just free to join?
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OT: Keep an eye on India-Pakistan situation
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Are we at ErmaGurd Red Dawn Status yet? Let the Indies and the Pakis play it out on the grid iron and get it over with. Those 2 nations have been one Tandoori spice rack champ short of declaring I Hate You More. Both have nooks so we are all Fudged anyway. So there is that.
At some point it needs to be moved so the frequent posters on the other board can explain how the Illuminati are involved here.
I'm at ErmaGurd if India gets attacked....and anyone has to call customer service. It's hard enough now to get through. Those wait times are going to be counted by hours, if not days.
Yeah, I work for the DOD, and have for nearly 30 years. We are certainly not in chaos.
I also don't think this is being ignored at all by the US government and DOD....by the media, perhaps, but not by us.
Spoken like someone who never had to experience true global conflict (i.e. WWI, WWII).
Still, your point remains. We do seem to be on the cusp of a serious global conflagration. It's been decades in the making.
I get what he’s saying from the outside, etc, just know some people lock on to one phrase and then let things spiral, and it was clear to me he was looking for genuine discussion. Thankful it’s been decent discussion in here so far.
I wasn't necessarily talking about War but more of a Spiritual War.
Settle it with an International Cricket Match.
By the time the match is over in 2029, cooler heads will have prevailed, and we'll have a new President.
By the time the match is over in 2029, cooler heads will have prevailed, and we'll have a new President.
I think he’s talking about leadership rather than the organization as a whole. It’s also a strange time to be talking about 8% budget cuts.
Either way, I think it’s concerning that other countries may increasingly look to China as we increasingly signal we are shifting away from the rules-based order we set up, and as we impose tariffs willy nilly.
Yeah, to be clear, I understood OP's concern personally, just thought this would be an interesting discussion and wanted to keep it here, and thought he did too.
There would just be no conversation then. Most people avoid that board because the regulars are belligerent dipshits completely uninterested in intellectually honest conversation. I have no problem moving a thread there. Just know, that’s pretty much the end of the thread.Also, the Round Table should absolutely be the place for this conversation. Not because the conversation is radical (yet). If we want the Round Table conversation to be more robust and the West Zone to be less cluttered why not hold ourselves to a standard. If I can check both forums daily why not everyone else.
Keep sports on West Zone, other stuff to the Round Table.
If more regulars showed up in the round table the conversation would be much better. Believe it or not there has been some good convos out there once people move past the platitudes and hyperbole. Give credit to a few posters on both sides of issues willing to bridge gaps and fine some common ground.
NOW…
I get it. I do. Just hoping that at some point intellectual honesty will overtake the buffoonery. I also understand this is probably a fool's dream.
Yeah, I get it. There's apparently never a right time to talk about budget cuts. There's always some crisis that demands we put it off just a little longer. The amount of waste I see around me on a routine basis is equal parts nauseating and infuriating, but that's a topic for another discussion
Waste, fraud, and abuse won't get you to 8% off the defense budget, though. It's also arguable that the defense budget should be a priority, even though it's a large part of overall spending. This is another debate, but cuts in discretionary spending won't make a real dent in the debt, anyway.
Not the thread for this discussion, but...
Indeed targeting fraud/waste/abuse as a means of reducing budget is perhaps a fools errand. Budget austerity, however, necessitates better stewardship of resources--waste reduction really being a side effect of that.
Still, I think we can easily absorb even greater cuts while actually enhancing capability if we were forced to be better stewards.
I have a lot more to say on this, but we should have that discussion elsewhere.
There's a ton of border clashes in the region between India and China, so much so that both sides agree not to use firearms to prevent it from escalating. The high altitude and terrain makes it virtually impossible to get heavy vehicles in the area, so both sides wind up using makeshift clubs/swords/spears to attack each other with. A few months back a couple hundred people died after they fell or were thrown off a road into a several hundred foot deep ravine.
You joke, but the only fight that happened in four years at my yuppy high school was between the Pakistani and Indian students when they played in the Cricket world cup or something.
Good article that covers India, Russia, China, Pakistan and the US for defense purchases and dependence
www.bloomberg.com
India Pivots From Russia to US for Cutting-Edge Weapons
India has sharply reduced orders for defense equipment with Russia and is now buying more from Western suppliers, officials said, a significant policy shift for a nation traditionally reliant on arms from Moscow.
www.bloomberg.com
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I was going to cut the grass tonight. But since a war is about to break out I will just let it grow. I will let my brother in law that owns a bunch of land in the marquesas know we may be headed his way.
Good article that covers India, Russia, China, Pakistan and the US for defense purchases and dependence
India Pivots From Russia to US for Cutting-Edge Weapons
India has sharply reduced orders for defense equipment with Russia and is now buying more from Western suppliers, officials said, a significant policy shift for a nation traditionally reliant on arms from Moscow.
mainly because Russia signs contracts to deliver materiel, and then doesn't deliver anything, and when they do its years late and doesn't work
And that was before Ukraine caused them to hold all their production for domestic use
Just saw a headline pop up on my local news saying that Pakistan has announced that they’ve seen military movements on the Indian front that indicate India is preparing for an invasion. Will have to do some googling to see if there’s anything to this headline or if it’s just saber rattling by Pakistan…
Things are getting interesting.
Thoughts @Spencer_York @BionicTiger anybody else?
These quotes from Pakistan after the attacks last night dont bode well:
The strike “will not go unanswered,” Pakistan’s ministry of information and broadcasting announced. “The temporary pleasure of India will be replaced by enduring grief.”
Pakistan’s Defense Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif told AFP: “The retaliation has already started. We won’t take long to settle the score.”
Thoughts @Spencer_York @BionicTiger anybody else?
These quotes from Pakistan after the attacks last night dont bode well:
The strike “will not go unanswered,” Pakistan’s ministry of information and broadcasting announced. “The temporary pleasure of India will be replaced by enduring grief.”
Pakistan’s Defense Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif told AFP: “The retaliation has already started. We won’t take long to settle the score.”
India launched some airstrikes from within Indian airspace, Pakistan shot some fighters down.
India signed a contract with France to buy some Naval Rafale-M fighters.
India signed a contract with France to buy some Naval Rafale-M fighters.
I’m not an expert on this. India hitting beyond the disputed areas, including ~40 miles away from Islamabad, is bad though. Hopefully both have saved enough face
The good news is that this is half way around the world and there is little incentive for the United Sates to get involved. I certainly wouldn't send my child over their to fight in that war and i don't want my tax dollars going to support either side.
Hopefully they can get it worked out to stop the killing.
Hopefully they can get it worked out to stop the killing.
Pakistan is threatening to use nuclear weapons. This is why you don't want a country run by radical muslims to have nuclear weapons. Hopefully, India will hit them first and turn Pakistan into a sea of glass. Then we move on to Iran...
