OT- McMaster and Cunningham

[lctiger831]

I was a little shocked that the debacle going on at the Hugh Leatherman Terminal wasn’t talked or mentioned during the debates. In fact, you hardly hear anything about this multi billion dollar facility that is barely being used in Charleston. I wonder why 🤔

 

[OleFastball]

McMaster won joe lost. What is the issue?

 

[lctiger831]

McMaster won joe lost. What is the issue?

The issue is that there is a state of the art terminal sitting in Charleston and it’s not being used. Billions of tax dollars were allocated to it and there isn’t a single ship there.

 

[OleFastball]

The issue is that there is a state of the art terminal sitting in Charleston and it’s not being used. Billions of tax dollars were allocated to it and there isn’t a single ship there.

So why is it not being used? I'm willing to learn if you point me to a legitimate source. Seems as if there is a boycott and that is why it's not being used? a fight over union labor or something?

 

[WapPride]

The issue is that there is a state of the art terminal sitting in Charleston and it’s not being used. Billions of tax dollars were allocated to it and there isn’t a single ship there.

My brother told me the other day that the WestRock plant in Charleston is closing, and that the port authority is looking to take control over that property as well. Think it's going to go out on bid, but apparently the port authority is gungho about getting control of it.

If they win the bid, will that have any negative impact on the Leatherman terminal's potential future operations? IIRC that WestRock plant doesn't even have a functioning dock, so they'd have to pour tons of taxpayer money into demo'ing the property and building up a new functional river terminal.

I'm curious to hear some of the more knowledgeable poster's input on this as i'm admittedly ignorant of this whole thing

 

[lctiger831]

So why is it not being used? I'm willing to learn if you point me to a legitimate source. Seems as if there is a boycott and that is why it's not being used? a fight over union labor or something?

Basically the ILA signed a contract with USMX(shipping lines) saying that if any new terminal is built on the east/gulf coast then it has to be 100% union labor from gate to dock. If not, then the shipping lines are obligated to not berth there to be loaded/discharged. The other terminals are essentially grandfathered in because the contract was signed after they were built.
SCSPA says, “Our concrete, our rules and our labor.” ILA says, fair enough we still have a contract with the lines and they have to adhere to them. The ILA is now suing the lines for 600 million in lost wages. Shipping lines haven’t been going there for weeks. If the SCSPA loses this lawsuit, they will have to sell the property to a line or stevedoring company and it’ll end up being 100% union labor anyways.
I asked both McMaster and Cunningham to comment on this situation and they both refused. At least Cunningham acknowledged it was a hot topic, but McMaster camp was too chicken sh*t to even reply to me. They say he’s frugal and fiscally conservative? Then why fight this lawsuit?

 

[OleFastball]

Basically the ILA signed a contract with USMX(shipping lines) saying that if any new terminal is built on the east/gulf coast then it has to be 100% union labor from gate to dock. If not, then the shipping lines are obligated to not berth there to be loaded/discharged. The other terminals are essentially grandfathered in because the contract was signed after they were built.
SCSPA says, “Our concrete, our rules and our labor.” ILA says, fair enough we still have a contract with the lines and they have to adhere to them. The ILA is now suing the lines for 600 million in lost wages. Shipping lines haven’t been going there for weeks. If the SCSPA loses this lawsuit, they will have to sell the property to a line or stevedoring company and it’ll end up being 100% union labor anyways.
I asked both McMaster and Cunningham to comment on this situation and they both refused. At least Cunningham acknowledged it was a hot topic, but McMaster camp was too chicken sh*t to even reply to me. They say he’s frugal and fiscally conservative? Then why fight this lawsuit?

Well he has filed a lawsuit so you know where he stands, why do you feel the need to ask him?

It certainly seems like a contract dispute and thus court is probably where it should end up.

 

[lctiger831]

Well he has filed a lawsuit so you know where he stands, why do you feel the need to ask him?

It certainly seems like a contract dispute and thus court is probably where it should end up.

Just wondering why he is allocating time/resources to fight a legally binding contract. We are going to win this lawsuit. Just a matter of how much it’s going to cost the state in legal fees. Just doesn’t make sense to me to have so many people on the state retirement system.

 

[OleFastball]

Just wondering why he is allocating time/resources to fight a legally binding contract. We are going to win this lawsuit. Just a matter of how much it’s going to cost the state in legal fees. Just doesn’t make sense to me to have so many people on the state retirement system.

It sounds like there are two conflicting contracts. When you say "we" are going to win, who do you mean?

 

[lctiger831]

My brother told me the other day that the WestRock plant in Charleston is closing, and that the port authority is looking to take control over that property as well. Think it's going to go out on bid, but apparently the port authority is gungho about getting control of it.

If they win the bid, will that have any negative impact on the Leatherman terminal's potential future operations? IIRC that WestRock plant doesn't even have a functioning dock, so they'd have to pour tons of taxpayer money into demo'ing the property and building up a new functional river terminal.

I'm curious to hear some of the more knowledgeable poster's input on this as i'm admittedly ignorant of this whole thing

West Rock has always been the target for SCSPA because they are eventually going to close down the Columbus street terminal. Only reason why they haven’t done it yet is because the air quality is too poor at North Charleston terminal due to the mill and BMW would not approve moving the operation with the paper mill still in full swing.
As far as pouring tons of taxpayer dollars into a new terminal.. You have already spent 2 billion into Hugh Leatherman terminal and. I thing come from it. What’s another billion or two? This is my gripe. Why is McMaster and company so hell bent on not allowing the union to have more jobs? The deal is, if we(ILA) win the contract, SCSPA will have to lease out the Hugh Leatherman terminal to a shipping line and essentially have to operate as 100% union labor(minus management).
McMaster and company too proud to allow more union labor into the state?

 

[lctiger831]

It sounds like there are two conflicting contracts. When you say "we" are going to win, who do you mean?

I guess I should’ve prefaced this thing with I am a card carrying member of the ILA(union). Either way you shake it, the state still loses out on legal fees and no production from the Hugh Leatherman terminal. Also, our union could easily shut down the entire east coast and strike 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[OleFastball]

West Rock has always been the target for SCSPA because they are eventually going to close down the Columbus street terminal. Only reason why they haven’t done it yet is because the air quality is too poor at North Charleston terminal due to the mill and BMW would not approve moving the operation with the paper mill still in full swing.
As far as pouring tons of taxpayer dollars into a new terminal.. You have already spent 2 billion into Hugh Leatherman terminal and. I thing come from it. What’s another billion or two? This is my gripe. Why is McMaster and company so hell bent on not allowing the union to have more jobs? The deal is, if we(ILA) win the contract, SCSPA will have to lease out the Hugh Leatherman terminal to a shipping line and essentially have to operate as 100% union labor(minus management).
McMaster and company too proud to allow more union labor into the state?

We are a right to work state so I can understand why he wants to defend that. I know unions themselves are controversial in this state, but it shouldn't be controversial that the Governor is defending the states laws?

 

[lctiger831]

We are a right to work state so I can understand why he wants to defend that. I know unions themselves are controversial in this state, but it shouldn't be controversial that the Governor is defending the states laws?

Ya but right to work doesn’t necessarily mean no union. It just means that you can’t be forced to join a Union. We have people in our union hiding behind the right to work laws, but still benefitting from our union.

 

[WapPride]

West Rock has always been the target for SCSPA because they are eventually going to close down the Columbus street terminal. Only reason why they haven’t done it yet is because the air quality is too poor at North Charleston terminal due to the mill and BMW would not approve moving the operation with the paper mill still in full swing.
As far as pouring tons of taxpayer dollars into a new terminal.. You have already spent 2 billion into Hugh Leatherman terminal and. I thing come from it. What’s another billion or two? This is my gripe. Why is McMaster and company so hell bent on not allowing the union to have more jobs? The deal is, if we(ILA) win the contract, SCSPA will have to lease out the Hugh Leatherman terminal to a shipping line and essentially have to operate as 100% union labor(minus management).
McMaster and company too proud to allow more union labor into the state?

That's interesting, thanks for the info

 

[scotchtiger]

West Rock has always been the target for SCSPA because they are eventually going to close down the Columbus street terminal. Only reason why they haven’t done it yet is because the air quality is too poor at North Charleston terminal due to the mill and BMW would not approve moving the operation with the paper mill still in full swing.
As far as pouring tons of taxpayer dollars into a new terminal.. You have already spent 2 billion into Hugh Leatherman terminal and. I thing come from it. What’s another billion or two? This is my gripe. Why is McMaster and company so hell bent on not allowing the union to have more jobs? The deal is, if we(ILA) win the contract, SCSPA will have to lease out the Hugh Leatherman terminal to a shipping line and essentially have to operate as 100% union labor(minus management).
McMaster and company too proud to allow more union labor into the state?

So if they built a new terminal at the paper mill site, it would also be subject to the union contract right? That sucks.

At least that eye (and nose) sore is closing down. Feel for the jobs, but man that thing is just awful to see and smell as you approach Mt. Pleasant the GOAT.

Perhaps the union contingency will keep the port away and they will completely overhaul that area into something much much nicer.

 

[lctiger831]

So if they built a new terminal at the paper mill site, it would also be subject to the union contract right? That sucks.

At least that eye (and nose) sore is closing down. Feel for the jobs, but man that thing is just awful to see and smell as you approach Mt. Pleasant the GOAT.

Perhaps the union contingency will keep the port away and they will completely overhaul that area into something much much nicer.

Not necessarily because the North Charleston terminal is an existing terminal. However, if Hugh Leatherman terminal is fully operational with union labor, then the other terminals will more than likely follow suit. Our benefits are hands down better than the state port and private companies and it’s not even close.

 

[scotchtiger]

Not necessarily because the North Charleston terminal is an existing terminal. However, if Hugh Leatherman terminal is fully operational with union labor, then the other terminals will more than likely follow suit. Our benefits are hands down better than the state port and private companies and it’s not even close.

Terrific. I'm sure everyone will celebrate higher costs at the port so you can have better benefits.

 

[lctiger831]

Terrific. I'm sure everyone will celebrate higher costs at the port so you can have better benefits.

Labor cost is less than 5% of the total cost. Try again. Also, we keep people off of the state retirement and health insurance plans.

 

[lctiger831]

Terrific. I'm sure everyone will celebrate higher costs at the port so you can have better benefits.

All of the major shipping lines have had record profits these past few years and you want to give a blue collar guy shit for wanting more from the pie? Lol you poor soul.

 

[OleFastball]

All of the major shipping lines have had record profits these past few years and you want to give a blue collar guy shit for wanting more from the pie? Lol you poor soul.

We want you to get more of the pie, but fairly.

Many don't consider the unions to be fair. It's obviously a highly debated topic.

 

[lctiger831]

We want you to get more of the pie, but fairly.

Many don't consider the unions to be fair. It's obviously a highly debated topic.

Fairly? We get what we deserve. The shipping lines sign contracts with us after years of negotiating. Our master contracts last 6 years.

 

[OleFastball]

Fairly? We get what we deserve. The shipping lines sign contracts with us after years of negotiating. Our master contracts last 6 years.

Yes, fairly.

Surely you are aware of the arguments about Union Labor.

 

[lctiger831]

Yes, fairly.

Surely you are aware of the arguments about Union Labor.

Majority of them are unfounded.

 

[lctiger831]

Just a quick update on the Hugh Leatherman debacle here in Charleston. Federal court of appeals sided with the Labor unions. Which means, 100% union labor from gate to dock. Damn it feels good!

 

[BlueRidgedf]

Union workers are a bunch of lazy asses. We don't need no union mafia in South Carolina. I'm sure this will be appealled. Bunch of thugs.

 

[lctiger831]

Union workers are a bunch of lazy asses. We don't need no union mafia in South Carolina. I'm sure this will be appealled. Bunch of thugs.

😂😂😂😂😂
You hate us bc you ain’t us. We won the appeal at the federal level. Next stop is SCOTUS if the state wants. Who knows what the state wants to do with OUR tax dollars considering the 1.5 billion dollar terminal has no ships or containers. Governor Foghorn better come up with a plan 😂