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OT: My First Time Watching MSNBC

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As a moderate I always knew Fox News was slanted... but wow. As someone who grew up in Boston, I’ve never seen a station turn a gun massacre into a PR machine more than MSNBC. I’ve been forced to sit in the airport and watch msnbc and it’s almost laughable... say what you want about trump but my god it’s sad watching these candidates try to one up each other on how much they hate trump and how much he hates minorities. After watching 3 hours of msnbc coverage I’ve seen about 2.5 hours of trump being racist and 30 minutes of Beto,
 
CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC... they are all horrible. None of them try to do straight news anymore. They just feature a bunch of variety shows that try to copy the Today Show all day long. They don’t have anchors anymore.

They have personalities whose special comments take up as much air time as any interviewing or reporting. Look at their websites and you find headlines that say things like “Don Lemon Sets the Record Straight,” “Rachel Maddow Destroys Republican Talking Points,” “Hannity Puts Liberals in Their Place.” It should not be about Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow, and Sean Hannity. It’s all a big circus.
 
It's unwatchable. At one time Morning Joe was interesting. Once upon a time Chris Matthews was interesting. Chris became unwatchable during the war in Iraq when he determined it was his sole responsibility to cast Bush as a war criminal. Joe Scarborough let the morning gig go to his head and decided that he couldn't hang out with the New York crowd and Brezinski family if he didn't start thinking like and agreeing with the democrats more. At some point several years ago MSNBC decided that its best chance at success was to be the left's version of Fox News. It's a joke. There's no real news reported as it's all become opinion shows now. And btw, I don't really care for Fox either. In fact, I've gone back to watching network news now if I watch any news at all.
 
I think the majority of people who claim be “a moderate” aren’t really, they just believe they’re not part of the alt-right or “radical left” that get all of the press.
 
CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC... they are all horrible. None of them try to do straight news anymore. They just feature a bunch of variety shows that try to copy the Today Show all day long. They don’t have anchors anymore.

Agree with this to an extent, but have you watched the 6pm, 7pm, or 11pm hours on Fox News? Completely agree that 8-10pm is playing to the partisan crowd, but it seems to me that these “news” hours on Fox actually do make a bona fide effort to avoid partisanship and, at least in part, simply report the news. Can’t say the same for the other two networks in any of the prime time hours. Closest thing is MSNBC’s late “news” hour, but then that’s hosted by Brian Williams who is a documented liar with a penchant for stolen valor.
 
These are all for-profit businesses constantly searching for increase in revenue and profit share.

Just because the word, “News” is in the channel title doesn’t mean it is journalistic or true information.

It is big personalities with big opinions to draw in viewers however they can.

When one ceo sees X news channel crushing ratings with outrageously biased commentary, nowhere close to reporting the truth, they go a similar route. Then 20 years or so of 24 hr a day news cycle revenue charting passes and voila - you have the circus that is American “news”.

It’s sad because about 75% of our population has no idea it isn’t exactly just news they are watching but reality tv that is solely ratings and profit-share driven.
 
As a moderate I always knew Fox News was slanted... but wow. As someone who grew up in Boston, I’ve never seen a station turn a gun massacre into a PR machine more than MSNBC. I’ve been forced to sit in the airport and watch msnbc and it’s almost laughable... say what you want about trump but my god it’s sad watching these candidates try to one up each other on how much they hate trump and how much he hates minorities. After watching 3 hours of msnbc coverage I’ve seen about 2.5 hours of trump being racist and 30 minutes of Beto,

You nailed it here. I am a conservative but all the major news to include cable and broadcast is really bad. We usually have fox on in the morning, but my Lord Ainsley Earhardt is about as ditzy as they come.

The one network i watch when i can is OAN. They are new enough that they have not 'effed themselves up. They also have private ownership.
 
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You nailed it here. I am a conservative but all the major news to include cable and broadcast is really bad. We usually have fox on in the morning, but my Lord Ainsley Earhardt is about as ditzy as they come.

The one network i watch when i can is OAN. They are new enough that they have not 'effed themselves up. They also have private ownership.

Yup. I'm a conservative too, just one that happens to think that Trump isn't a conservative. That doesn't mean that he hasn't taken some conservative positions, but I simply don't think those are done out of conviction, I just think he's a master at keeping what I like to call the "basic whites" fired up. He's the political equivalent to Paul Finebaum. They are masters at knowing what buttons to push.

To the point, I try and get my media from a few different places. I watch Morning Joe (that's the only MSNBC show I can stomach, as they actually have a pretty wide range of commentators, former Republican consultants, etc), but I for the most part only read the Wall Street Journal (owned by News Corp). Those two give a pretty wide range of view points, even if there are idiots on MSNBC. I'm sure for most of the MAGA crowd on here, they cannot stand Rachel Maddow. I don't like her either. However, then when I turn on Fox and Friends, other than Ainsley being a smoke show, I honestly think my 2-year old has a higher IQ than she does. Sean Hannity is the "conservative" dumb f___ equivalent to the left's Rachel Maddow. I'm convinced that these polar opposites are simply meant to appeal to the idiots on both sides.

I remember a few months ago something fairly big had happened in the world (candidly, I can't remember what it was), and MSNBC was laying into Trump and blaming him for the issue, etc. I turned to Fox, curious as to what they would be talking about the issue, and low and behold, they weren't even covering it. I think they were reporting on a 7-year old Honduran immigrant who had shoplifted a Snickers bar as a policy position against illegal immigration.

If folks want to bash MSNBC, doesn't bother me a bit. But man, it's not like Fox News has a bunch of intellectuals or deep thinkers on their shows either.
 
Yup. I'm a conservative too, just one that happens to think that Trump isn't a conservative. That doesn't mean that he hasn't taken some conservative positions, but I simply don't think those are done out of conviction, I just think he's a master at keeping what I like to call the "basic whites" fired up. He's the political equivalent to Paul Finebaum. They are masters at knowing what buttons to push.

To the point, I try and get my media from a few different places. I watch Morning Joe (that's the only MSNBC show I can stomach, as they actually have a pretty wide range of commentators, former Republican consultants, etc), but I for the most part only read the Wall Street Journal (owned by News Corp). Those two give a pretty wide range of view points, even if there are idiots on MSNBC. I'm sure for most of the MAGA crowd on here, they cannot stand Rachel Maddow. I don't like her either. However, then when I turn on Fox and Friends, other than Ainsley being a smoke show, I honestly think my 2-year old has a higher IQ than she does. Sean Hannity is the "conservative" dumb f___ equivalent to the left's Rachel Maddow. I'm convinced that these polar opposites are simply meant to appeal to the idiots on both sides.

I remember a few months ago something fairly big had happened in the world (candidly, I can't remember what it was), and MSNBC was laying into Trump and blaming him for the issue, etc. I turned to Fox, curious as to what they would be talking about the issue, and low and behold, they weren't even covering it. I think they were reporting on a 7-year old Honduran immigrant who had shoplifted a Snickers bar as a policy position against illegal immigration.

If folks want to bash MSNBC, doesn't bother me a bit. But man, it's not like Fox News has a bunch of intellectuals or deep thinkers on their shows either.
CNN and MSN, are on a whole different level than Fox. For 2 years MSN talked 24-7 about how Trump was a Russian agent. After that was found to be a big lie, their ratings hit an all time low. CNN is a clown show too. Both networks have terrible ratings due to how unprofessional they are.
 
It's unwatchable. At one time Morning Joe was interesting. Once upon a time Chris Matthews was interesting. Chris became unwatchable during the war in Iraq when he determined it was his sole responsibility to cast Bush as a war criminal. Joe Scarborough let the morning gig go to his head and decided that he couldn't hang out with the New York crowd and Brezinski family if he didn't start thinking like and agreeing with the democrats more. At some point several years ago MSNBC decided that its best chance at success was to be the left's version of Fox News. It's a joke. There's no real news reported as it's all become opinion shows now. And btw, I don't really care for Fox either. In fact, I've gone back to watching network news now if I watch any news at all.

You want truth, watch foreign news like Canadian, BBC, German or Australian are a few thinking our domestic news sources are liars and
extremely left.
 
CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC... they are all horrible. None of them try to do straight news anymore. They just feature a bunch of variety shows that try to copy the Today Show all day long. They don’t have anchors anymore.

They have personalities whose special comments take up as much air time as any interviewing or reporting. Look at their websites and you find headlines that say things like “Don Lemon Sets the Record Straight,” “Rachel Maddow Destroys Republican Talking Points,” “Hannity Puts Liberals in Their Place.” It should not be about Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow, and Sean Hannity. It’s all a big circus.
Is there anywhere that does do real news without the opinionated political slants? There is a huge market for that if anyone would actually jump in and fill it. Would be nice to to hear a weather report without hearing about Trump and the Republicans letting our planet warm to the boiling point, or a feel good story on little league baseball without hearing about how all the kids on the team persevered despite the rampant white supremacy epidemic destroying our country.
 
Network news isn't all that bad. The problem is that after noble beginnings, the bean counters made their news departments into profit centers which meant pandering to confirmation bias for viewership. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves- news is just reacting to the fact the village of America has been reorganized to suit the village idiot.

And the more obvious this becomes, rather than triggering a self-correction, each day brings further entrenchment. There is no adequate adjective to express the sense of hopelessness I feel for the country's future generations. Glad to be 73 and a bit nearer my end every day.
 
Yup. I'm a conservative too, just one that happens to think that Trump isn't a conservative. That doesn't mean that he hasn't taken some conservative positions, but I simply don't think those are done out of conviction, I just think he's a master at keeping what I like to call the "basic whites" fired up. He's the political equivalent to Paul Finebaum. They are masters at knowing what buttons to push.

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If folks want to bash MSNBC, doesn't bother me a bit. But man, it's not like Fox News has a bunch of intellectuals or deep thinkers on their shows either.

You're supporting claiming in the middle were good but these two really hit home for me. Thank you, it's refreshing to see some logic surviving out in the world.
 
Agree with this to an extent, but have you watched the 6pm, 7pm, or 11pm hours on Fox News? Completely agree that 8-10pm is playing to the partisan crowd, but it seems to me that these “news” hours on Fox actually do make a bona fide effort to avoid partisanship and, at least in part, simply report the news. Can’t say the same for the other two networks in any of the prime time hours. Closest thing is MSNBC’s late “news” hour, but then that’s hosted by Brian Williams who is a documented liar with a penchant for stolen valor.
I agree there is a more news covered on FOX during certain hours. I can listen to Shephard Smith for example, but Hannity is an absolute embarrassment as is Laura Ingram. Hannity is nothing more than a Trump marketing guy and an Obama/Hillary/liberal hater. I mean the other night he talked more about Obama than anything else. He typically only has someone on the right who agrees with his views as opposed to Chris Cuomo at CNN who will have a liberal and a conservative go back and forth on the topic of the evening.

There are some on FOX like him who's agenda is to make their viewers believe everyone on the left is on the far fringes of the left who believe only in socialism and that the four congresswomen are in control of the party. They are constantly talking about the left in a way that spews absolute hatred. I don't watch MSNBC but do watch CNN who is definitely on the left, but they do have opposing viewpoints on their shows which are typically discussion/opinion based panels of "experts".
 
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News is dead

Killed by the American citizen.

Society doesn’t want straight news. That would force the viewer to marinate on the information and decide what each story means to our lives. We want a political commentator to educate us on the “facts” of the story. Of course, we pick the ones that reinforce our own political bias.

Politics is a team sport and needs “news” networks to keep its minions in line. It’s no different than what the SEC Network (and soon ACCN) does to its followers.
 
As a moderate I always knew Fox News was slanted... but wow. As someone who grew up in Boston, I’ve never seen a station turn a gun massacre into a PR machine more than MSNBC. I’ve been forced to sit in the airport and watch msnbc and it’s almost laughable... say what you want about trump but my god it’s sad watching these candidates try to one up each other on how much they hate trump and how much he hates minorities. After watching 3 hours of msnbc coverage I’ve seen about 2.5 hours of trump being racist and 30 minutes of Beto,

Absolutely. MSNBC, CNN, FOX are as biased as they can get away with. Honestly, you can check these websites (which I do daily) and wonder if it's actually the same news day. APNews is pretty neutral.

Here's a pretty good site that checks the actual writing and looks for biased words and headlines (along with accuracy). And accuracy is important. Just because you are biased, doesn't make you wrong ( and I mean that for both sides).

(click)
 
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Killed by the American citizen.

Society doesn’t want straight news. That would force the viewer to marinate on the information and decide what each story means to our lives. We want a political commentator to educate us on the “facts” of the story. Of course, we pick the ones that reinforce our own political bias.

Politics is a team sport and needs “news” networks to keep its minions in line. It’s no different than what the SEC Network (and soon ACCN) does to its followers.

Ding, ding, ding... and we have a winner!
 
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I agree there is a more news covered on FOX during certain hours. I can listen to Shephard Smith for example, but Hannity is an absolute embarrassment as is Laura Ingram. Hannity is nothing more than a Trump marketing guy and an Obama/Hillary/liberal hater. I mean the other night he talked more about Obama than anything else. He typically only has someone on the right who agrees with his views as opposed to Chris Cuomo at CNN who will have a liberal and a conservative go back and forth on the topic of the evening.

There are some on FOX like him who's agenda is to make their viewers believe everyone on the left is on the far fringes of the left who believe only in socialism and that the four congresswomen are in control of the party. They are constantly talking about the left in a way that spews absolute hatred. I don't watch MSNBC but do watch CNN who is definitely on the left, but they do have opposing viewpoints on their shows which are typically discussion/opinion based panels of "experts".

While I agree with you that Hannity is a waste of space, I believe that a more proper comparison to Hannity is Rachel Maddow. Damn! She is awful.

You can pick some Fox News guys that are obviously biased but at least try and keep it somewhat real to compare more favorably to Cuomo.
 
I guess I just don't understand why people complain about cable news l the time - must don't watch! I'm a liberal but I've never watched Maddow, I don't know the lineups on any of the networks. I read CNN but that's the extent of my exposure. Everyone should just read news online or watch networks.

I also second what @hopefultiger13 said about MediaBias/FactCheck. It's a great resource.
 
Its true. MSNBC, Fox, CNN they are terrible. Read for the love of God, read you dum dums.
 
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