I know it. Just so sad and so pointless. We have to be better as humans. Take race out of it. You
Can’t just shoot people because you got in a fender bender. It makes me so sad
OT: Police Reform
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Can’t just shoot people because you got in a fender bender. It makes me so sad
Most of the time these are the ones that end up being a potential liability to a department.
Definitely need to teach more hand to hand type training, and be more timely in teaching this. They should teach Krav Maga, and use it along with basic hands on techniques.
It would be an easy way to subdue and control idiot drunks, those on bath salts, or drugs like fentanyl, meth, and PCP. Especially when you are by yourself miles from any help, and out manned by size and stature of the scumbag the officer is fighting.
Thank you for your service! My 2 cents - the police need more funding, more training, and more physical fitness requirements. There is no reason that a cop should not be as proficient in hand to hand combat and marksmanship as our soldiers who are patrolling overseas. Seems to me that it would be just as important on our own soil. Spend more money on recruitment and recruit the best people you can find. Pay them well, very well. Give them the support they need and hire more of them. These guys are stressed to the max and we hardly allocate any resources to keep them sharp and on the cutting edge. I would think that they should be in training a minimum of 20% of the time. The only way to do that and keep enough patrolmen on the street is to hire at least 20% more people.
I would love to see a government program that works to improve the perception of the police. Lay out all of the great things these men and women do everyday to keep us safe. Illustrate the "best practices" of how to respond when being approached by the police. Such as laying out to the public, if you are asked by the police to stop what you are doing and put your hands up, its in your best interest not to run away or try to attack the officer. Chances are you are gonna get hurt.
I would love to see a government program that works to improve the perception of the police. Lay out all of the great things these men and women do everyday to keep us safe. Illustrate the "best practices" of how to respond when being approached by the police. Such as laying out to the public, if you are asked by the police to stop what you are doing and put your hands up, its in your best interest not to run away or try to attack the officer. Chances are you are gonna get hurt.
I went to party after college when I went back home for Christmas. A few of my HS friends who had joined the local police department we're hosting and after a few beers were telling me they could now take me.... I wrestled in HS and only lost a handful of matches (was DQed more than I lost due to my temper)... Took 6 of them to get me down and they still couldn't cuff me...point of my story is no matter how much training these guys got they were still too small and too weak to handle a big man with technique...
Do you think they could have cuffed you if you didn't resist?
How about if one of them hit you in the head with a blackjack as soon as you acted like you were going to resist?
Would either of those scenarios ended differently?
Nothing on you, I just don't have any experience actually resisting arrest or pretending to do so, so I don't have any first hand experience.
They should pass a law about that and make it illegal
Once again guys thanks for all the responses. Everyone has been spot on with recommendations and I totally agree with most of them. I think we all agree on better hiring practices and def more physical training along with higher pay for a more qualified candidate. Unfortunately I have little doubt that our politicians care enough to do anything about it.
Yeah it was a party and we were pretending but had it been real I would of taken it from them and then been armed. Real life they'd been better off shooting me
Which I think brings up the argument for a taser. Some folk are just too difficult to take down but most folk can’t beat a taser. Some can though so no ide what to do about them.
Or just cracking your skull or using some other weapon to asymmetrically up the violence the minute you started to think about getting it on.
100% agree BJJ training is a must. If you can make it to atleast a blue belt, you will be able to take down a vast majority of hostile people you encounter
Times are changing, alot of Corporations are looking at other qualifications such as Military, Technical training and job experience because of the escalating costs of Tuition is preventing alot of qualified Candidates who couldn't swing the costs
A lot of fundamental issues need to be addressed by the public but that requires too much responsibility.
Honest question and I appreciate the discussion. I think cops shouldn't be handling half the stuff they are tasked with. I personally believe there should be a separation between police and road law enforcement. It sounds nuts but police were never pulling over buggies on the roads but they pull over cars because they are dangerous. I think vehicle law should be absolutely handled in a different way and in a way that doesn't cause people to be locked up for OTHER CRIMES. Police too often use their 'probable cause' to talk themselves into getting all up in peoples business. We have to actually ask ourselves as a country if we want to defend our liberties from tyranny in this moment. I say yes, and that the 4th amendment matters and that we can improve our society while defending it. People should obey the road laws, police should not enforce them full time. Its time to get smart about these things and use technology.
Drugs need to be legalized. Cops don't need to be dealing with drug users. Its been going on for 60 years and its brought nothing but pain and heartache. Police need to be behind this change. Society needs to catch up to reality on this sooner rather than later. Drug addiction is a sickness that can be treated, you don't send sick people to jail. Stealing to support a drug habit is obviously a crime and prosecutable. But locking people up for drug offenses has had a devastating effect. Do I really need to explain how?
I personally believe if we changed just those 2 things our society would improve dramatically. The problem is no police are going to support it, because it does mean moving money away from them and into other avenues. So yah.
Let me ask you. Why should police be unionizing? Do you think its a good thing for society that they do so? When anyone criticizes the police they can just go on strike and then all our safety and rule of law is threatened. Do you think thats good for society that one union might hold so much power over a city?
edit: I'd like to also add that police by and large do a good job and are tasked with just too much. Their job is very important and I've always tried to be respectful when interacting.
They do need more training and better pay, maybe a way to do that is off loading some of the responsibilities and thus letting go the poor performers.
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I've read Jocko's books, I don't know that I trust him with raising a village. Maybe getting the fat guy into shape? Yah.
My FIL made approx 60k after 25 years and had worked his way up in the highway patrol. I know it’s not a county cop but still LE. As an accountant I made more than him my first year out of grad school. So yeah, like you said that’s gotta change if you want to improve the profession. Where that money comes from, I don’t know.
Our dept. starts at around 15.00/hr. Take that for comparison my daughter works at a dentist office checking in people and makes 20.00/hr. Not bashing my daughter lol but there is a big problem here.
I disagree. I bet a bunch of Antifa have college experience. Policing does not require college. I think we need to train our criminals a little better and a little earlier to keep them from becoming such.
Alright everyone I think this post has run its course and I really appreciate everyone’s ideas and thoughts. I also appreciate everyone’s civility towards the posts and comments. Thanks @Cris_Ard for not automatically moving it but I think you can close it now. Once again thanks everyone.
When do we get to sit down with criminals and get them to reform their practices??
God bless you and thank you thank you thank you for your service to mankind.
Lol that would be nice but I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Obviously this is a tough situation to unravel but when I see Police in military gear shooting American citizens with rubber bullets/bean bags I feel as if something has gone monumentally wrong.
This is not okay
This is not okay
Haven’t read the whole thread so don’t know if already posted but what you just said pretty much confirms my thoughts that Police definitely don’t need to be defunded but rather I think they need more money. These Dem ran cities that are slashing budgets for Police aren’t in their right minds IMO... I actually have a more colorful opinion than that but I’ll just leave it there, smh, lol
There is a lot that’s gone monumentally wrong in this country. Police have their part of it however the looters, rioters and just plain out criminals are another big part. I’ll be honest I didn’t even watch the video because I’m just tired of watching them all. If people are being peaceful let them be but if their being defiant police are tired of dealing with it. It’s gotten out of hand.
Ok so I watched the video. Yes their was no excuse for that period. I know they were giving them a order but yeah could have been handled differently
The problem is that it’s being egged on by people in a position of authority on the left. It’s being egged on by the media. It’s being egged on by pro athletes and entertainers. I suspect it’s being egged on by foreign influence. At CNN they take nobodys off the street and suddenly they are political analysts and incite all kinds of this mess because they have a microphone and camera in their face. Do the police make mistakes? Yes. I’ll take those mistakes all day long over letting criminals, socialist anarchists, racists and others of that ilk run lawless and unaccounted for in American cities just so they can commit crime in the name of “social justice.”
Social workers literally do that all the time. Imagine being required by the state to visit in home with meth heads to discuss with them the options to retrieve their kids from state custody. Its amazing to me the amount of trash that can have their children test positive for meth and it takes a social worker visiting them, and their children for years before the state revokes paternal rights. Social workers don't have guns or kill people and yet they are definitely in dangerous circumstances
Thank you so much for everything you do. I will always support law enforcement in anything you do or need. I would love to do more for all of you and I definitely would pay higher taxes or donate for any training or raises that yall need.
God bless you all!
you know @firegiver I really have no idea. I mean we are watching a 30 second video. On the surface it appears that the cops are pissed off that their dealing with another night of rioting and their appears to be a curfew being enforced and the people weren't following it. I'm not condoning the actions I'm just explaining whats probably going on. The only thing I could think of is maybe more sensitivity training in dealing with people for that group of cops.
Thank you for what you do.
There needs to be more training in all phases law enforcement along with improved pay. I agree on the use of tasers.
@clintontiger1 What is your opinion on something like a Byrna?
There needs to be more training in all phases law enforcement along with improved pay. I agree on the use of tasers.
@clintontiger1 What is your opinion on something like a Byrna?
Reform should also be educating people to obey police officers, don’t resist arrest, and work things out back at the station where cooler heads could prevail.
Thank you for your public service!
Thank you for putting your life on the line for public safety. I respect the hell out of you and 99% of the others.
